Originally posted by Merdur

This game will fail for the same reason's you claim it will suceed. With the current mmo market from WoW this game won't get anymore subs then say Rift has now. I give it 2-3 months before everyone realises how bad the political system will be and how corrupt it will end up becomming. The Open World pvp will add to this problem not take away from it. Being able to kill anyone anywhere is going to cause strife between guilds and your going to see 2-5 massive zerg guilds pop up on all the bigger servers who are going to bum rush the polls for areas and get there people into place. Then they start to screw with things in those areas to cause the other guilds to be down trouden and raise themselves up.

First of all, there's PvE server for anyone who does not like to be ganked or zerged. Second of all, in any mmorpg ever released that has open world pvp has zerging, you cant allow open world pvp but not allow people to group up, I dont even begin to understand the problem here, it's the nature of open pvp. One big guild zerging? Form a counter guild, the server is supposed to be dominated by one guild if everyone else is so handless in the server that they cant form a counterguild or rebellion against the train.

Corrupt political system? Can politics even exist without corruption? I doubt it would not be a corrupt system if it has anything to do with anykind of politics be it fantasy or not. Again, nature of the game. Form up rebellion.

You sound like a person who enjoys even matched PvP. There's a place called PvE servers, there's no shame in playing in one and hitting the BG's as soon as they get released or just dueling people, maybe even coordinate world PvP events.

Hop on our forum http://dieforhonor.com

you want to talk to dev or hakurai about it. or find them on the BC communnity site.

Originally posted by Laughing-man

Originally posted by Merdur

This game will fail for the same reason's you claim it will suceed. With the current mmo market from WoW this game won't get anymore subs then say Rift has now. I give it 2-3 months before everyone realises how bad the political system will be and how corrupt it will end up becomming. The Open World pvp will add to this problem not take away from it. Being able to kill anyone anywhere is going to cause strife between guilds and your going to see 2-5 massive zerg guilds pop up on all the bigger servers who are going to bum rush the polls for areas and get there people into place. Then they start to screw with things in those areas to cause the other guilds to be down trouden and raise themselves up.  Why do you think the political system will be corrupt?  You mention throughout your entire 5 pharagraph essay that you hate it, but yet you never really explain the reasoning behind it...   Open world PVP will be mitigated by guilds that seek out and destroy Pkers, the same way it is in EVERY open world PVP game... which I guess begs the question on your experience in the genre of open pvp games, you offer up these wild ideas without anything to back them up... you do know that only one guild can control one of the 20 ish areas?  Yes there are about 20 vanarchs.  And we don't even fully know the benefits or the ins and outs of being a Vanarch, yet you already are doomsaying?  A bit early I think.I knew less about the political system then you did and yet still hate it but the reason i'm bashing it was from mis-information it seems, what i meant by this was i thought 1 person would be put up for polling no matter if they were in a guild or not did not know the whole guild had to be put up as representatives. My experience in Open world comes from games like UO back before EQ and DAoC came out and WoW playing on a pvp server. In atleast these 2 games it was nothing but a clusterfuck of the top guilds beind douchebags and camping questhubs/cities. UO was more about large guilds camping cities waiting for people to come out then raping them. I can see it being the exact same in this game there will be no pride unless your in your own guild and give it 2 months and even then most guilds won't come to the aid of a single player. 

 

The developers over in Korea have even announced stealing the idea for WvWvW with 4 servers instead of 3, pray tell me how this will work when servers will be fighting each other so much due to hatred to form any sort of cohesive group?  They announced Server Vs Server a year ago, and still to this day there is very limited information on it, I'd love to know what you think they "stole" this idea from.I meant stole in the same sense every mmo dev steals from others.

 

This game has 1 chance and that would be to cut there loses and go F2P with a cash shop, atleast with that model they could gain some revenue back from this lost product. This is not helpful nor really even a "put down" as you probably think it is, or as it was intended to be when you said it, many free to play games make money and are very successful, not sure what you are trying to suggest here...Wasn't meant as a put down i meant exactly what i said, this game won't suceed until it goes F2P. Never once did i mean it as a putdown but as a suggestion really for a way for them to make the money they need back to keep the game up and running. Which is already gonna be hard if they keep losing the lawsuit in korea. Also before you begin to bash my logic with "It's the #2 game in korea" well yes it's good over there becuase this is what THEY like.They?  Us vs Them?  All over and over again? Really?  Thats just silly.You didn't get one thing in this comment which proves to me you didn't actually READ it. THEY as in the far wast market like games like this and crave the cheating and mass slaughter aspect of not let other's accomplish anything. Western and EU markets do not. The majority of gamers in these markets like to have FUN and most wouldn't classify FUN as being gang raped by 4 top guilds all day FUN. We are talking about the NA and EU playerbase, we don't like to be cheated out of thing's or feel like we are getting the shit end of the stick. If the goverment does it we can usually shrug it off but this is a game and you are nothing but another person to everyone out there. Your no special then a dieing dog on the side of the road. 95% of people wouldn't even look at you twice if you were dieing yourself. I have no idea what this last bit even means... cheated out of what?Once again referring to my earlier post i thought the vanarchs would be controlled by 1 person so i was under the assumption the top guilds would be rigging the polls with there own people. That's what i meant by cheated, that no one but these top guilds would have a chance.

 

This political system will be the downfall of Tera in NA/EU and no matter what you say it can't change how the mmo playerbase feels about it now. Maybe in 20 years when the current massive influx of younger gamers understand politics more but as it stands it will be nothing but a clusterfuck of bad behavior and strife between players, and in these regions the playerbase likes to feel welcome not shunned by everyone. Ok we get it, you think the political system is terrible, even though we have very limited information on it you've already formed an opinion, grats.  Also I like how you insult the entire current generation?  A bit confused..I bashed the newest generation of mmo gamers because i've seen from experience what they've done to the genre. Playing from UO till now thru over 50+ mmo's F2P or P2P i've seen whats happened since Wow came onto the seen. The playerbase at one time wasn't filled to the brim with dickheads who only thought of themselves. At one time you actually had people running around who CARED about others in a game and would stop and help them from time to time. Now you see 90% of gamers just run on by a dieing comrad without throwing a heal or buffing them even if they can. Or stopping to help kill those mobs raping there face in. EQ might have been alittle diffrent on the last statement due to mob trains and how gay they could be but in DAoC i felt proud to play on my faction most of the time cause people actually CARED. You didn't steal someones camp you waited till they were done with it then took your turn. Now i see people stealing kills and it's no diffrent in TERA.

 

On a side not why do you think AC and Shadowbane failed compared to EQ and DAoC? Because even then the majority of players did not want to get ganked every 5 minutes and would rather have a more fun enviorment to play in in which they could enjoy the game. EQ did have OW pvp servers and they did fine but not near aswell as the non pvp servers.

Edit:  Whats up Rex!   Man I wish we rolled on the same server, we seem to be like catsup and mustard lol

Originally posted by rexzshadow

Hop on our forum http://dieforhonor.com

you want to talk to dev or hakurai about it. or find them on the BC communnity site.

Sent him an email to his yahoo :-D  (Dev that is)  Thanks Rex, looking forward to working with you guys in game, hope it all works out.

Originally posted by Merdur

Originally posted by Laughing-man

This political system will be the downfall of Tera in NA/EU and no matter what you say it can't change how the mmo playerbase feels about it now. Maybe in 20 years when the current massive influx of younger gamers understand politics more but as it stands it will be nothing but a clusterfuck of bad behavior and strife between players, and in these regions the playerbase likes to feel welcome not shunned by everyone. Ok we get it, you think the political system is terrible, even though we have very limited information on it you've already formed an opinion, grats.  Also I like how you insult the entire current generation?  A bit confused..I bashed the newest generation of mmo gamers because i've seen from experience what they've done to the genre. Playing from UO till now thru over 50+ mmo's F2P or P2P i've seen whats happened since Wow came onto the seen. The playerbase at one time wasn't filled to the brim with dickheads who only thought of themselves. At one time you actually had people running around who CARED about others in a game and would stop and help them from time to time. Now you see 90% of gamers just run on by a dieing comrad without throwing a heal or buffing them even if they can. Or stopping to help kill those mobs raping there face in. EQ might have been alittle diffrent on the last statement due to mob trains and how gay they could be but in DAoC i felt proud to play on my faction most of the time cause people actually CARED. You didn't steal someones camp you waited till they were done with it then took your turn. Now i see people stealing kills and it's no diffrent in TERA.   I agree with you on some points, I started a thread a while back about if the explotion of the population of MMO gamers led to the downfall of us valuing each others company in MMO games...  Yet a lot of folks insisted that there are still a lot of nice good folks out there... I mean I myself will buff people as they walk by, or res someone whos dead, but I used to go out and just give new players gear and such, I feel as though I myself have started to care less about people, perhaps I'm getting older, or perhaps there are just too many people to care about EVERY single one of them, you can only do your best to care about as many as you can.  KSing has happened in every game, people grief in every game, yet I notice a lot of PKKs helping people out when they ask for it, and a lot of PKs are respectful and don't follow you if you switch channels. 

 

On a side not why do you think AC and Shadowbane failed compared to EQ and DAoC? Because even then the majority of players did not want to get ganked every 5 minutes and would rather have a more fun enviorment to play in in which they could enjoy the game. EQ did have OW pvp servers and they did fine but not near aswell as the non pvp servers.

Edit:  Whats up Rex!   Man I wish we rolled on the same server, we seem to be like catsup and mustard lol

 

Originally posted by rexzshadow
I thought we did roll on the same server o.o I'm pretty sure you rolled on BC coz i saw your post on Vanarch and i'm im D4H on BC as well o.o

Looks like we all rolled on the same server~BC ftw~  I'm in Epic guild btw.

As far as the "political corruption rant" is concerned.   Nothing like a little political corruption to get the masses stirred up, makes it more legit.

~I just love reading hate post from pvp carebears.  Hell we even had a few pve carebears to boot.  

Originally posted by Merdur

This game has 1 chance and that would be to cut there loses and go F2P with a cash shop, atleast with that model they could gain some revenue back from this lost product. Also before you begin to bash my logic with "It's the #2 game in korea" well yes it's good over there becuase this is what THEY like. We are talking about the NA and EU playerbase, we don't like to be cheated out of thing's or feel like we are getting the shit end of the stick. If the goverment does it we can usually shrug it off but this is a game and you are nothing but another person to everyone out there. Your no special then a dieing dog on the side of the road. 95% of people wouldn't even look at you twice if you were dieing yourself. So you want the game F2P with a cash shop but you also say we don't like being cheated on. Sorry but i feel pretty much cheated on by F2P games with cash shops. Cause 99% of the time it becomes a pay to win game. And how would they earn more money with going F2P with cash shop than with 13 - 15 dollars per month? Just because more people gonna play a F2P game doesn't mean they all gonna buy stuff from the cash shops. If i and many others feel cheated on by one thing, it is when a game is so called free to play but if you want the same general experience as pay to play you end up paying a lot more.

This political system will be the downfall of Tera in NA/EU and no matter what you say it can't change how the mmo playerbase feels about it now. Maybe in 20 years when the current massive influx of younger gamers understand politics more but as it stands it will be nothing but a clusterfuck of bad behavior and strife between players, and in these regions the playerbase likes to feel welcome not shunned by everyone. I want to make a sugestion here. Stop pretending you are the voice of the MMO community. Seriousely, you keep saying "we"  and the " mmo playerbase feels blabla". Iam part of the MMO playerbase, so are my friends and hell we all love the political system. Its gonna be great, you get 2 rulers, on trough pvp and one trough elections. If they do stuff you don't like you deal with it. You won't elect them next time or you will unite other guilds into a alliance and fight the opressors. So you don't like it, fine, but that doesn't make it bad, you just fail to realise how things work. It is a game, if a ruler here gets corrupt you can actually do something without the fear you or your family meet a early retirement from life.

 

On a side not why do you think AC and Shadowbane failed compared to EQ and DAoC? Because even then the majority of players did not want to get ganked every 5 minutes and would rather have a more fun enviorment to play in in which they could enjoy the game. EQ did have OW pvp servers and they did fine but not near aswell as the non pvp servers. Not sure if you been in the beta so i won't be harsh on you here. To begin with, i hate being ganked as well. In AoC i hated it to the bone that higher lvls came to low lvl regions just to gank the crap out of you. There was no honor what so ever in it. You couldn't do a thing cause you where bound to your lvl and you couldn't really flee at all. In the Tera beta i rolled onto a pvp server after i tried a duel on a PvE server. That someone is a higher lvl doesn't mean a thing in Tera. Oke he has a advantage but you can still actively block or dodge. And hell if you are out of reach you are out of reach, no cheap blows like in WoW where you could be hit by enemies even though between you and their sword where another 3 meters. If you are out of range they can't hit you. And the ranged classes really need to aim, they can't shoot 1 meter off to still hit you, their crosshair needs to be on you to hit you. During the beta there where gankers in the lower lvl regions, sure i couldn't kill them, but i was able to bring myself to safety. On the european servers when you flee towards quest givers it seems you are in a safe zone. They can't hit you there. And i also noticed on the chat that other high lvls where uniting to deal with these gankers so we the lower lvls could quest again. You know this will happen on a pvp server so deal with it.

But what is clear from this all is that Tera won't be your game. Why the huge bashing and pretending you are the voice of the MMO community? You don't like the game that is fine, it is your opinion but there is no need to talk like you do when you hardly even knew what you where talking about and just in general dislike how PvP is these days. Yeah i don't like gankers either, but that is why i normally roll on a PvE server. Don't listen to people who call you a carebear for they mostly are the gankers who don't even dare to fight people of their own lvl or better skilled, they go for the easy score. But many PvPers do have honor and don't gank like shit. However Tera is a world in war and you can't help that guilds will fight wars with each other. And zerg guilds will be there yes, so if you are a smaller guild you go political and form alliances with other guilds. You can have a zerg guild with 500+ members, but if you form a alliance with 10 guilds with 50 too 100 members per guild you still have the upper hand and probally a better at the fighting then the zergs.

Really i think you need to have tried the game before you judge it. You based your opinion on your experience with other games, but Tera has a total different combat system so gankers are less of a problem then in games like WoW. And yeah maybe the game will fail, maybe it isn't the game i been waiting for. But my experiences with the beta's so far left me impressed and loved every bit of it. If Tera isn't gonna do it for me in 3 months then so be it, but i enjoy it now and that is all that mathers.

Open world pvp can be daunting, even for exp pvpers. I wanted to like this game so bad, but I cannot get past the grind.

I tried Aion again, just because its free, and I log in less and less, love the game, hate the grind, especially for gear. I still may try TERA, still on the fence.

Originally posted by Adalwulff

Open world pvp can be daunting, even for exp pvpers. I wanted to like this game so bad, but I cannot get past the grind.

I tried Aion again, just because its free, and I log in less and less, love the game, hate the grind, especially for gear. I still may try TERA, still on the fence.

I dislike grinding as well. But with a active combat system it feels less like a grind to me personally. I love games like Dynasty warrior (the singleplayer game not the MMO) and Tera reminded me a bit of that, fighting your way trough hordes of enemies (if you do it right otherwise take a little less enemies at the time). But yeah Tera isn't a game you buy for epic quests i think. So i hope you will be able to test it some how before buying it so you can see if you like the game enough and find the grind less grindy then in other MMO's.

Originally posted by Buttski
let's see how you like that 'awesome' pvp when you have to grind pve without end to stay competetive in pvp :D

Atleast that way you have a goal to work too :P

I'd be more interested in TERA's PVP if it incorporated more risk vs rewards and had decent causes to fight for.

Right now it seems designed mostly for people who enjoy PVP for the "fun" of it, which has no appeal to me.

I fight for cause.

I used to love open world PvP, until I realized it was nothing but politics. Ass kissing, superficial RL friendships, everything I try to get away from when I play an MMO. Then you have the pathological retards who gank lower levels, because their parents never loved them. No thanks, at my age I think I'll avoid the needless frustration.

I prefer instanced PvP where there are no politics involved, but player ability and strategy. No zerging, no e-peen contests, etc.

There is instanced PvP in TERA, albeit to a lesser extent than others. I would prefer it to be more prominent, especially with TERAs AWESOME combat, but... seeing as how I can't even play the game with my awful computer, it's moot.

Originally posted by Kyleran

I'd be more interested in TERA's PVP if it incorporated more risk vs rewards and had decent causes to fight for.

Right now it seems designed mostly for people who enjoy PVP for the "fun" of it, which has no appeal to me.

I fight for cause.

 

100% Agree.

PvP only for "fun" is not "fun" for me in long term. 

But for those who like PvP without any reason, just for the fun of fight, im sure they will have alot of fun in TERA. :)

Lets see how PvP in TERA goes in next months.

Originally posted by Jabas

Originally posted by Kyleran

I'd be more interested in TERA's PVP if it incorporated more risk vs rewards and had decent causes to fight for.

Right now it seems designed mostly for people who enjoy PVP for the "fun" of it, which has no appeal to me.

I fight for cause.

 

100% Agree.

 

PvP only for "fun" is not "fun" for me in long term. 

But for those who like PvP without any reason, just for the fun of fight, im sure they will have alot of fun in TERA. :)

 

Lets see how PvP in TERA goes in next months.

Well i know i do =P haven't been other game where i had so much thrill in GvG and massive battle as tera yet (thats not an rts lol)

Originally posted by //\\//\\oo

I used to love open world PvP, until I realized it was nothing but politics. Ass kissing, superficial RL friendships, everything I try to get away from when I play an MMO. Then you have the pathological retards who gank lower levels, because their parents never loved them. No thanks, at my age I think I'll avoid the needless frustration.

I prefer instanced PvP where there are no politics involved, but player ability and strategy. No zerging, no e-peen contests, etc.

There is instanced PvP in TERA, albeit to a lesser extent than others. I would prefer it to be more prominent, especially with TERAs AWESOME combat, but... seeing as how I can't even play the game with my awful computer, it's moot.

 

 

Originally posted by rexzshadow

Originally posted by Jabas

Originally posted by Kyleran

I'd be more interested in TERA's PVP if it incorporated more risk vs rewards and had decent causes to fight for.

Right now it seems designed mostly for people who enjoy PVP for the "fun" of it, which has no appeal to me.

I fight for cause.

 

100% Agree.

 

PvP only for "fun" is not "fun" for me in long term. 

But for those who like PvP without any reason, just for the fun of fight, im sure they will have alot of fun in TERA. :)

 

Lets see how PvP in TERA goes in next months.

Well i know i do =P haven't been other game where i had so much thrill in GvG and massive battle as tera yet (thats not an rts lol)

Yeah, we're just motivated by different things, neither way is better or worse, just a personal preference in the end.

Which is why I rolled on a PVE server and left the PVP ones alone for all you guys to have "fun" on.

But at least you won't be having fun at my expense.  

Good luck and enjoy this weekend, finally here at last.

Originally posted by Kyleran

Originally posted by rexzshadow

Originally posted by Jabas

Originally posted by Kyleran

I'd be more interested in TERA's PVP if it incorporated more risk vs rewards and had decent causes to fight for.

Right now it seems designed mostly for people who enjoy PVP for the "fun" of it, which has no appeal to me.

I fight for cause.

 

100% Agree.

 

PvP only for "fun" is not "fun" for me in long term. 

But for those who like PvP without any reason, just for the fun of fight, im sure they will have alot of fun in TERA. :)

 

Lets see how PvP in TERA goes in next months.

Well i know i do =P haven't been other game where i had so much thrill in GvG and massive battle as tera yet (thats not an rts lol)

Yeah, we're just motivated by different things, neither way is better or worse, just a personal preference in the end.

Which is why I rolled on a PVE server and left the PVP ones alone for all you guys to have "fun" on.

But at least you won't be having fun at my expense.  

Good luck and enjoy this weekend, finally here at last.

Wait till Server invasion comes and it gliches and let us invade a PvE server and all hell break loss XD