Originally posted by Wickedjelly

Let them. I simply won't purchase it until I feel comfortable I have seen enough in depth information available or a free demo. May garner them other sales but they'll lose mine. So be it. I'm not that tied up in any particular genre or game that I can say it bothers me.

That is good thinking, if you are unsure about a MMO you should always wait until you tried it.

To me who liked the first game it was a given thing to buy it, but for anyone who is unsure there will be a chanse to try it out for free later.

Originally posted by wowfan1996

It's nothing like Kickstarter. KS is about helping indies who are in need of funding. ANet isn't independent and NCSoft is worth $3b. We have pure corporate greed here and supporting it is quite stupid in fact. :)

 

Really? You are talking out of your arse as if no company has ever done pre-purchasing.

http://store.steampowered.com/app/204880/

EVIL GREEDY GAME!

http://store.steampowered.com/app/204100/

EVIL GREEDY GAME!

http://store.steampowered.com/app/201700/

EVIL GREEDY GAME!

I mean, I could keep listing game after game that you have an OPTION of pre-purchasing through steam, but do I really need to? Yes, all those games do have release dates, but besides that, you also get some kind of perk for pre-purchasing, just like Guild Wars 2 offers. Please, get over yourself

I can afford $60 for a game that I know I'm going to buy so it was an easy choice.

It feels good knowing that I'll get to play this coming weekend.

It feels even better knowing that trolls and haters won't pony up $60 and won't be in the game trying to ruin it for anyone else.

I wish every game went this route. No more free betas filled with trolls and children who have no intention of ever buying any game. Either put up or shut up.

Originally posted by wowfan1996

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D3 had an open beta weekend recently and IIRC Blizzard claimed it wouldn't have open beta at all.)

since March, Diablo3 was asking players to pay in advance full price if they ordered from Blizzard

the Open beta weekend D3 had was 3 weeks before launch

GW2 doesnt have a release date yet

ANET has said there will be no open beta but im sure many get a chance to play (without buying) before launch

Originally posted by OldManFunk

I can afford $60 for a game that I know I'm going to buy so it was an easy choice.

 

It feels good knowing that I'll get to play this coming weekend.

 

It feels even better knowing that trolls and haters won't pony up $60 and won't be in the game trying to ruin it for anyone else.

 

I wish every game went this route. No more free betas filled with trolls and children who have no intention of ever buying any game. Either put up or shut up.

You know, this never even occured to me. The Tera beta was chock full of trolls (many of whom were yelling about GW2) but I imagine since you had to pre-purchase to play, it will make it a much more troll-free environment, and I support this. That doesn't mean it won't have people being critical of the game or that people shouldn't offer critical opinions, but intentional trolls have a barrier.

SWTOR didn't have an "open beta" either, but still managed to invite hundreds of thousands of players who had not pre-ordered the game simpy by inviting everyone who registered on the forums. No reason Anet won't do this for everyone who applied to beta. 

Originally posted by Charlizzard

Originally posted by OldManFunk

I can afford $60 for a game that I know I'm going to buy so it was an easy choice.

 

It feels good knowing that I'll get to play this coming weekend.

 

It feels even better knowing that trolls and haters won't pony up $60 and won't be in the game trying to ruin it for anyone else.

 

I wish every game went this route. No more free betas filled with trolls and children who have no intention of ever buying any game. Either put up or shut up.

You know, this never even occured to me. The Tera beta was chock full of trolls (many of whom were yelling about GW2) but I imagine since you had to pre-purchase to play, it will make it a much more troll-free environment, and I support this. That doesn't mean it won't have people being critical of the game or that people shouldn't offer critical opinions, but intentional trolls have a barrier.

That's exactly what I'm talking about. Tera's collision detection made it ripe for people to abuse other players... and lack of commitment gave them license to verbally abuse people in chat while trashing the game.

Originally posted by OldManFunk

I can afford $60 for a game that I know I'm going to buy so it was an easy choice.

 

It feels good knowing that I'll get to play this coming weekend.

 

It feels even better knowing that trolls and haters won't pony up $60 and won't be in the game trying to ruin it for anyone else.

 

I wish every game went this route. No more free betas filled with trolls and children who have no intention of ever buying any game. Either put up or shut up.

So you're basically saying that if I would like to try and get a feel of the game before buying it, I'm a troll. Nice logic there.

Originally posted by AvatarBlade

Originally posted by OldManFunk

I can afford $60 for a game that I know I'm going to buy so it was an easy choice.

 

It feels good knowing that I'll get to play this coming weekend.

 

It feels even better knowing that trolls and haters won't pony up $60 and won't be in the game trying to ruin it for anyone else.

 

I wish every game went this route. No more free betas filled with trolls and children who have no intention of ever buying any game. Either put up or shut up.

So you're basically saying that if I would like to try and get a feel of the game before buying it, I'm a troll. Nice logic there.

No. I don't know who you are and don't remember reading any of your posts. I have no idea what your intention is.

I know that Tera suffered from a large amount of trolls and abusive people during their open beta event.

Console games are sold without free previews. Why not MMOs? When's the last time you heard someone say, "Man, that new Mario looks great but if they don't let me try it for free then they're a bunch of evil jerks just out to get my money and I'll never buy anything from them!"

MMOs rely on player interaction. Players who are not fans of a game and only want to try a game to see if they like the game tend to be disruptive and abusive during their free trials. People who fully inted to purchase the game tend to be more supportive. There's no right or wrong way to perceive a game, but I don't think it benefits MMO developers to let the people who don't really want to be there in only to disrupt and disparage the game that paying customers are trying to enjoy.

People should be able to tell from features and reviews whether or not a game is worth trying. There's no reason to open games up to trolls and haters in hope that some of them might stick around. All they do is sew seeds of discontent.

Originally posted by AvatarBlade

Originally posted by OldManFunk

I can afford $60 for a game that I know I'm going to buy so it was an easy choice.

 

It feels good knowing that I'll get to play this coming weekend.

 

It feels even better knowing that trolls and haters won't pony up $60 and won't be in the game trying to ruin it for anyone else.

 

I wish every game went this route. No more free betas filled with trolls and children who have no intention of ever buying any game. Either put up or shut up.

So you're basically saying that if I would like to try and get a feel of the game before buying it, I'm a troll. Nice logic there.

your game library must be very small if you only buy games that you can play. Lets see Spore.. no that was just creature creator.. Darkspore that had a demo.. lets see ME3.. demo was terrible and made more ppl not want to play it than to play it.  The rest would be games that had open betas.. SUBSCRIPTION GAMES. The reason they have them is to allow people to see if its worth the sub NOT the game itself. Games are bought from pure advertisement and trial footage. People keep forgetting that GW2 is a BUY 2 PLAY model.. not a sub model. You have to compare it to single player games and then decide if the game is worth the 60 bucks just like any other buy 2 play game. 

Or wait.. are you trying games via illegal means? 

@OldMan Funk, good post. I hate the trolls in betas.. ppl forget betas are about TESTING not getting free access to the game, even open beta which is usually a stress test.

Originally posted by OldManFunk

Originally posted by AvatarBlade

Originally posted by OldManFunk

I can afford $60 for a game that I know I'm going to buy so it was an easy choice.

 

It feels good knowing that I'll get to play this coming weekend.

 

It feels even better knowing that trolls and haters won't pony up $60 and won't be in the game trying to ruin it for anyone else.

 

I wish every game went this route. No more free betas filled with trolls and children who have no intention of ever buying any game. Either put up or shut up.

So you're basically saying that if I would like to try and get a feel of the game before buying it, I'm a troll. Nice logic there.

No. I don't know who you are and don't remember reading any of your posts. I have no idea what your intention is.

 

I know that Tera suffered from a large amount of trolls and abusive people during their open beta event.

 

Console games are sold without free previews. Why not MMOs? When's the last time you heard someone say, "Man, that new Mario looks great but if they don't let me try it for free then they're a bunch of evil jerks just out to get my money and I'll never buy anything from them!"

 

MMOs rely on player interaction. Players who are not fans of a game and only want to try a game to see if they like the game tend to be disruptive and abusive during their free trials. People who fully inted to purchase the game tend to be more supportive. There's no right or wrong way to perceive a game, but I don't think it benefits MMO developers to let the people who don't really want to be there in only to disrupt and disparage the game that paying customers are trying to enjoy.

 

People should be able to tell from features and reviews whether or not a game is worth trying. There's no reason to open games up to trolls and haters in hope that some of them might stick around. All they do is sew seeds of discontent.

I wasn't necesarily refering to me, it meant someone that would like to see how the game is before buying it. I am actually interested in the game, but it's nice to get a chance to experience it before buying it. There were many ocasions where I was a video of a game and thought it was good and when I actually got to try it, it wasn't, so I can't really go on only by those. Reviews are most if not all "Best game ever to be produced" type of stuff so I don't put much faith in them. 

Reason I am interested in the game is the actual mechanics/features and filosophy behind it, but it would be nice to also feel them in action, or at least have a real chance of doing it, which, let's be honest, are like 0.1% probably for someone who didn't prepurchase, since people who did get the first chance at it. I belive that's what upsets the people that don't like the BWE being tied to a prepurchase...it basically reduces their chance of getting in the event to 0.

Also, you know you have a good game when people that tend to be disruptive and abusive, stop from being that way because of how much they enjoy it.

As for me, I'll be able to see and try it at a friends and hopefully decide if I want to buy it.

Originally posted by ariboersma

Originally posted by AvatarBlade

Originally posted by OldManFunk

I can afford $60 for a game that I know I'm going to buy so it was an easy choice.

 

It feels good knowing that I'll get to play this coming weekend.

 

It feels even better knowing that trolls and haters won't pony up $60 and won't be in the game trying to ruin it for anyone else.

 

I wish every game went this route. No more free betas filled with trolls and children who have no intention of ever buying any game. Either put up or shut up.

So you're basically saying that if I would like to try and get a feel of the game before buying it, I'm a troll. Nice logic there.

your game library must be very small if you only buy games that you can play. Lets see Spore.. no that was just creature creator.. Darkspore that had a demo.. lets see ME3.. demo was terrible and made more ppl not want to play it than to play it.  The rest would be games that had open betas.. SUBSCRIPTION GAMES. The reason they have them is to allow people to see if its worth the sub NOT the game itself. Games are bought from pure advertisement and trial footage. People keep forgetting that GW2 is a BUY 2 PLAY model.. not a sub model. You have to compare it to single player games and then decide if the game is worth the 60 bucks just like any other buy 2 play game. 

Or wait.. are you trying games via illegal means? 

@OldMan Funk, good post. I hate the trolls in betas.. ppl forget betas are about TESTING not getting free access to the game, even open beta which is usually a stress test.

Yay, trying to ridicule me, thanks. Chill. Why I would like to try it is to feel the responsivness of it, how the movement feels while actually playing it. I mostly play point and click adventure games, which don't need a demo or games from companies that I know delivered quality games in the past without trying a demo. For games from new companies or ones I haven't dealt with, yes I usually want to play a demo, unless someone I know has similar tastes to mine recomends it to me. Or you know, a steam sale, where I pay so little for it, it doesn't matter.

Don't really get why you think trying a game before buying it is such a bad thing that you have to oppose it so hard. If it's as good as you say/think it is, you should be happy if people were able to try it out, since it would mean more people to play with and more support for the company.

Originally posted by AvatarBlade

Originally posted by ariboersma

Originally posted by AvatarBlade

Originally posted by OldManFunk

I can afford $60 for a game that I know I'm going to buy so it was an easy choice.

 

It feels good knowing that I'll get to play this coming weekend.

 

It feels even better knowing that trolls and haters won't pony up $60 and won't be in the game trying to ruin it for anyone else.

 

I wish every game went this route. No more free betas filled with trolls and children who have no intention of ever buying any game. Either put up or shut up.

So you're basically saying that if I would like to try and get a feel of the game before buying it, I'm a troll. Nice logic there.

your game library must be very small if you only buy games that you can play. Lets see Spore.. no that was just creature creator.. Darkspore that had a demo.. lets see ME3.. demo was terrible and made more ppl not want to play it than to play it.  The rest would be games that had open betas.. SUBSCRIPTION GAMES. The reason they have them is to allow people to see if its worth the sub NOT the game itself. Games are bought from pure advertisement and trial footage. People keep forgetting that GW2 is a BUY 2 PLAY model.. not a sub model. You have to compare it to single player games and then decide if the game is worth the 60 bucks just like any other buy 2 play game. 

Or wait.. are you trying games via illegal means? 

@OldMan Funk, good post. I hate the trolls in betas.. ppl forget betas are about TESTING not getting free access to the game, even open beta which is usually a stress test.

Yay, trying to ridicule me, thanks. Chill. Why I would like to try it is to feel the responsivness of it, how the movement feels while actually playing it. I mostly play point and click adventure games, which don't need a demo or games from companies that I know delivered quality games in the past without trying a demo. For games from new companies or ones I haven't dealt with, yes I usually want to play a demo, unless someone I know has similar tastes to mine recomends it to me. Or you know, a steam sale, where I pay so little for it, it doesn't matter.

Don't really get why you think trying a game before buying it is such a bad thing that you have to oppose it so hard. If it's as good as you say/think it is, you should be happy if people were able to try it out, since it would mean more people to play with and more support for the company.

hun you are a bit paranoid.. I didn't ridicule you. i was trying to make you see reason. I also didn't say trying a game before you buy it was a bad thing but it is a rare and unreasonable thing. I mean come on do you not buy anything until you have tried it first? Some things its common.. cars, clothes, shoes.. Others aren't, food, shampoo, most software, comp hardware ect. 

Anet has a great track record as a company. GW1 did great and ask any GW1 player how great the company is to deal with but don't think you are entitled to play their game just because you don't know them and can't do the research. Have you never bought an indie game? Generally you don;t get to try those out. I just bought Legend of Grimrock.. happy I did. Bought it before it came out and was happy as a clam. 

Originally posted by ariboersma

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your game library must be very small if you only buy games that you can play. Lets see Spore.. no that was just creature creator.. Darkspore that had a demo.. lets see ME3.. demo was terrible and made more ppl not want to play it than to play it.  The rest would be games that had open betas.. SUBSCRIPTION GAMES. The reason they have them is to allow people to see if its worth the sub NOT the game itself. Games are bought from pure advertisement and trial footage. People keep forgetting that GW2 is a BUY 2 PLAY model.. not a sub model. You have to compare it to single player games and then decide if the game is worth the 60 bucks just like any other buy 2 play game. 

Or wait.. are you trying games via illegal means? 

 

My game library is tiny at this point aside from old game. I could name every game I've bought since 2005 and it would take up much space at all.

Oblivion, Two worlds, Battlefield BC2, Total war: Medieval 2/empire, Mass Effect 1+2, DA:O, Mount and blade + warband, X3: and its's spin offs, AOC, TOR, Skyrim. That's about it. Aside from the ME's, DAO AOC, TOR and TWo worlds,  I get plenty of gaming from those other titles even today.

Originally posted by ariboersma

 

@OldMan Funk, good post. I hate the trolls in betas.. ppl forget betas are about TESTING not getting free access to the game, even open beta which is usually a stress test.

Golly gee, can't imagine why people would forget that when companies start offering beta access to customers who pre order or purchase their games. I mean you would almost think it was being used as a marketing tool by companies rather then for testing purposes.

>_>

Good luck on thinking this means there won't be trolling in beta. Let me know how that works out for you. The only thing that is really going to cut down on this is no global chat.

Originally posted by ariboersma

Originally posted by AvatarBlade

Originally posted by ariboersma

Originally posted by AvatarBlade

Originally posted by OldManFunk

I can afford $60 for a game that I know I'm going to buy so it was an easy choice.

 

It feels good knowing that I'll get to play this coming weekend.

 

It feels even better knowing that trolls and haters won't pony up $60 and won't be in the game trying to ruin it for anyone else.

 

I wish every game went this route. No more free betas filled with trolls and children who have no intention of ever buying any game. Either put up or shut up.

So you're basically saying that if I would like to try and get a feel of the game before buying it, I'm a troll. Nice logic there.

your game library must be very small if you only buy games that you can play. Lets see Spore.. no that was just creature creator.. Darkspore that had a demo.. lets see ME3.. demo was terrible and made more ppl not want to play it than to play it.  The rest would be games that had open betas.. SUBSCRIPTION GAMES. The reason they have them is to allow people to see if its worth the sub NOT the game itself. Games are bought from pure advertisement and trial footage. People keep forgetting that GW2 is a BUY 2 PLAY model.. not a sub model. You have to compare it to single player games and then decide if the game is worth the 60 bucks just like any other buy 2 play game. 

Or wait.. are you trying games via illegal means? 

@OldMan Funk, good post. I hate the trolls in betas.. ppl forget betas are about TESTING not getting free access to the game, even open beta which is usually a stress test.

Yay, trying to ridicule me, thanks. Chill. Why I would like to try it is to feel the responsivness of it, how the movement feels while actually playing it. I mostly play point and click adventure games, which don't need a demo or games from companies that I know delivered quality games in the past without trying a demo. For games from new companies or ones I haven't dealt with, yes I usually want to play a demo, unless someone I know has similar tastes to mine recomends it to me. Or you know, a steam sale, where I pay so little for it, it doesn't matter.

Don't really get why you think trying a game before buying it is such a bad thing that you have to oppose it so hard. If it's as good as you say/think it is, you should be happy if people were able to try it out, since it would mean more people to play with and more support for the company.

hun you are a bit paranoid.. I didn't ridicule you. i was trying to make you see reason. I also didn't say trying a game before you buy it was a bad thing but it is a rare and unreasonable thing. I mean come on do you not buy anything until you have tried it first? Some things its common.. cars, clothes, shoes.. Others aren't, food, shampoo, most software, comp hardware ect. 

Anet has a great track record as a company. GW1 did great and ask any GW1 player how great the company is to deal with but don't think you are entitled to play their game just because you don't know them and can't do the research. Have you never bought an indie game? Generally you don;t get to try those out. I just bought Legend of Grimrock.. happy I did. Bought it before it came out and was happy as a clam. 

Ok, I'm paranoid, but the way you wrote was condescending. Indie games usually cost like 5-15 euros, so they can be put in the steam sale category. The reason I said you seem to be againt people trying it, is that you always seem defensive about the issue. I'm not saying there should be a trial, but it would be nice if there was one, closer to release ofcourse.

Originally posted by AvatarBlade

Originally posted by ariboersma

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hun you are a bit paranoid.. I didn't ridicule you. i was trying to make you see reason. I also didn't say trying a game before you buy it was a bad thing but it is a rare and unreasonable thing. I mean come on do you not buy anything until you have tried it first? Some things its common.. cars, clothes, shoes.. Others aren't, food, shampoo, most software, comp hardware ect. 

Anet has a great track record as a company. GW1 did great and ask any GW1 player how great the company is to deal with but don't think you are entitled to play their game just because you don't know them and can't do the research. Have you never bought an indie game? Generally you don;t get to try those out. I just bought Legend of Grimrock.. happy I did. Bought it before it came out and was happy as a clam. 

Ok, I'm paranoid, but the way you wrote was condescending. Indie games usually cost like 5-15 euros, so they can be put in the steam sale category. The reason I said you seem to be againt people trying it, is that you always seem defensive about the issue. I'm not saying there should be a trial, but it would be nice if there was one, closer to release ofcourse.

You are right the last post WAS condescending.. for a reason. You claimed I was ridiculing you when I was merely explaining why your argument was faulty. I am not being defensive at all, but you are clearly uninformed or confused so I was trying to enlighten you. You also pretty much DID say there should be a trial because when you complain about something it usually means you want it to be different which is why I was explaining why there wasn't.

Originally posted by ariboersma

Originally posted by AvatarBlade

Originally posted by ariboersma

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hun you are a bit paranoid.. I didn't ridicule you. i was trying to make you see reason. I also didn't say trying a game before you buy it was a bad thing but it is a rare and unreasonable thing. I mean come on do you not buy anything until you have tried it first? Some things its common.. cars, clothes, shoes.. Others aren't, food, shampoo, most software, comp hardware ect. 

Anet has a great track record as a company. GW1 did great and ask any GW1 player how great the company is to deal with but don't think you are entitled to play their game just because you don't know them and can't do the research. Have you never bought an indie game? Generally you don;t get to try those out. I just bought Legend of Grimrock.. happy I did. Bought it before it came out and was happy as a clam. 

Ok, I'm paranoid, but the way you wrote was condescending. Indie games usually cost like 5-15 euros, so they can be put in the steam sale category. The reason I said you seem to be againt people trying it, is that you always seem defensive about the issue. I'm not saying there should be a trial, but it would be nice if there was one, closer to release ofcourse.

You are right the last post WAS condescending.. for a reason. You claimed I was ridiculing you when I was merely explaining why your argument was faulty. I am not being defensive at all, but you are clearly uninformed or confused so I was trying to enlighten you. You also pretty much DID say there should be a trial because when you complain about something it usually means you want it to be different which is why I was explaining why there wasn't.

You are enlighting me on my faulty arguement of wanting/prefering to try something out before buying it? I am going to see and try out the game this week-end, wrote that in a previous post(hmm probably was a reply to someone else), but others won't have the opportunity and that's why a trial would be nice.

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Originally posted by ariboersma
lets see ME3.. demo was terrible and made more ppl not want to play it than to play it.

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Originally posted by wowfan1996

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Originally posted by ariboersma
lets see ME3.. demo was terrible and made more ppl not want to play it than to play it.

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Yeah and those who bought ME3 anyway are still raging on BioWare forums. ;)

yes indeed lol