Originally posted by Quixote

GW2 is probably the first MMO I have seen where most of the hype is created by players themselves with little to no actual hype from the developer, which perhaps is even scarier.

Be careful with deleting old games without having tried a new game (i.e. don't think you'll never go back to WoW). I now see my cousin downloading WoW again after deleting it a few months back, swearing he would be playing SWTOR for years to come - "I mean" said he "if it is like WoW but with the SW ip, why would I ever leave? why would I ever come back to WoW?"

Originally posted by heartless

 

We don't have to wait for launch time, ol' chap.  Friday is just around the corner and is shaping up to be a truly marvelous day.

True I expect that to be mildly positive though, even with TOR the first few mass weekend tests were, even people who didn't like the game had good things to say.

Originally posted by heartless

We don't have to wait for launch time, ol' chap.  Friday is just around the corner and is shaping up to be a truly marvelous day.

Im not even in Beta nor did I prepurchase and Im excited for it.  You guys are my link inside.  Im going to be watching streaming video all weekend. 

Im the cautious type.  Sue me.  But if this weekends beta is agreed by most to be a good time I may consider pre purchasing at that point.  Maybe.  We'll see.  Or rather you will, and I'll take a look through your eyes.  So go GW2 fans.  Im right behind you. 

Originally posted by Corehaven

Originally posted by Quixote

GW2 is probably the first MMO I have seen where most of the hype is created by players themselves with little to no actual hype from the developer, which perhaps is even scarier.

 

 

 

What in hells bells are you talking about?  What?  You're going to need to explain yourself with that one because its so incredibly *** backwards I dont even know where to start.  Horrible. 

 

The development team is extremely vocal.  Youtube is chalk full of videos and explanations.  There is information galor already and this coming weekends beta is NDA lifted.  How many games have you seen that have no release date, yet let closed Beta players live stream and SHOW what they are doing?  Huh? 

 

You obviously have just been barely following this game.  Or you would know better.  Not to mention this information is VERY easy to stumble upon just by accident.  Just type in Guild Wars 2 on youtube.  Its easy. 

 

GW2 fans arent hyped.  We're excited about what we've seen.  You know, the tons of actual gameplay and the detailed explanation giving through videos of whats going on online.  Explaining everything from the class skills to combat, to dynamic events to just about everything. 

 

You have NO clue what you are talking about.  Im sorry. 

Originally posted by Distopia

Originally posted by heartless

 

We don't have to wait for launch time, ol' chap.  Friday is just around the corner and is shaping up to be a truly marvelous day.

True I expect that to be mildly positive though, even with TOR the first few mass weekend tests were, even people who didn't like the game had good things to say.

I did a Tor Weekend Beta.  Thats the Tor I played.  Thats it. 

Didnt need anymore.  I enjoyed it.  It was decent.  I shell out gaming dollars for excellence.  Tor was not that.   It felt a little old.  Compared to WoW.  A little antique compared to World of Warcraft.  Yea.....not good.  Yes I know mmos take time to develop even after release.  Which Tor really hasnt much.  Figured that too. 

The bad thing is, I beta test to test and try and make the game better through bug support admissions.  But I have to admit, a beta test is all I need.  I know right there if its going to be for me or not.  Ive yet to be wrong on that account. 

Originally posted by MMOExposed
Trust me,, you havnt seen the rage of the Guild Wars 2 Hype storm.

I was a very popular person on the GW2G forum, because I use to post my ideas and my honest view points of what GW2 would be. (keep in mind, this was before even the first trailer came out, so little info was even out there, and everybody was speculating)

I was bashed big time. Many people here may already know who I was over on that forum before I got banned.

there was a lot of hype. The community was worst that Warhammer prerelease community.

Maybe that's why I am so critical and bitter towards that Guild Wars 2 community, because the way I was treated.

Funny, I got perma

This doesn't surprise me, I've seen some of the bigger GW2 fans here have the same things to say of their experience on GW2guru.

Originally posted by Distopia

Originally posted by MMOExposed
Trust me,, you havnt seen the rage of the Guild Wars 2 Hype storm.

I was a very popular person on the GW2G forum, because I use to post my ideas and my honest view points of what GW2 would be. (keep in mind, this was before even the first trailer came out, so little info was even out there, and everybody was speculating)

I was bashed big time. Many people here may already know who I was over on that forum before I got banned.

there was a lot of hype. The community was worst that Warhammer prerelease community.

Maybe that's why I am so critical and bitter towards that Guild Wars 2 community, because the way I was treated.

Funny, I got perma

This doesn't surprise me, I've seen some of the bigger GW2 fans here have the same things to say of their experience on GW2guru.

you know whats funny about this.. I was just over there trying to clean up some responses in a ranger thread... ppl are nuts! They are actually claiming the ranger pet AI issues are player issues.. refuse to understand that its been an issue for at least 1 press beta and the stress test even though the pets were partially fixed during stress. You would think hard facts would smack some sense into them but noooo >.< meanwhile on the Q&A there is a full page of "OMG why cant I download the client"

sry /rant

Originally posted by MMOExposed

 

Trust me,, you havnt seen the rage of the Guild Wars 2 Hype storm.

I was a very popular person on the GW2G forum, because I use to post my ideas and my honest view points of what GW2 would be. (keep in mind, this was before even the first trailer came out, so little info was even out there, and everybody was speculating)

I was bashed big time. Many people here may already know who I was over on that forum before I got banned.

there was a lot of hype. The community was worst that Warhammer prerelease community.

Maybe that's why I am so critical and bitter towards that Guild Wars 2 community, because the way I was treated.

Funny, I got perma

Interesting.  GW2 guru ?  Yea Ive been over there.  I enjoy mmorpg.com a little better even for GW2.  But the community seemed decent enough to me.  Sorry if you feel you were treated bad.  I have to wonder exactly what you were posting. 

I did experience the rage of the RIFT "fan club" here on the site yesterday.  It was about 4 times as bad as anything Ive seen concerning GW2.  Not me personally but another poster.  Vampires.  Wolves.  Horrible.  They tore him to shreds.  Aweful mess.  There was guts everywhere and they lit the OP on fire and consumed his ashes in a pagan origy of awful proportions. 

But we're not all bad and GW2 is going to have a heck of a lot more people than the Guru folks.  You can come play with me if you get the game.  I'll be nice to ya.  We'll go save a farmers pumpkins or somethin.  

Originally posted by Distopia

Originally posted by MMOExposed
Trust me,, you havnt seen the rage of the Guild Wars 2 Hype storm.

I was a very popular person on the GW2G forum, because I use to post my ideas and my honest view points of what GW2 would be. (keep in mind, this was before even the first trailer came out, so little info was even out there, and everybody was speculating)

I was bashed big time. Many people here may already know who I was over on that forum before I got banned.

there was a lot of hype. The community was worst that Warhammer prerelease community.

Maybe that's why I am so critical and bitter towards that Guild Wars 2 community, because the way I was treated.

Funny, I got perma

This doesn't surprise me, I've seen some of the bigger GW2 fans here have the same things to say of their experience on GW2guru.

I stopped going to that site years ago. I can get most of my GW2 info from here, Reddit or GW2's Twitter. The only reason GW2guru got so huge is because the devs post there but hopefully the official forums will put a stop to that, if they persist after release.

Originally posted by Corehaven

Originally posted by Distopia

Originally posted by heartless

 

We don't have to wait for launch time, ol' chap.  Friday is just around the corner and is shaping up to be a truly marvelous day.

True I expect that to be mildly positive though, even with TOR the first few mass weekend tests were, even people who didn't like the game had good things to say.

I did a Tor Weekend Beta.  Thats the Tor I played.  Thats it. 

 

Didnt need anymore.  I enjoyed it.  It was decent.  I shell out gaming dollars for excellence.  Tor was not that.   It felt a little old.  Compared to WoW.  A little antique compared to World of Warcraft.  Yea.....not good.  Yes I know mmos take time to develop even after release.  Which Tor really hasnt much.  Figured that too. 

 

The bad thing is, I beta test to test and try and make the game better through bug support admissions.  But I have to admit, a beta test is all I need.  I know right there if its going to be for me or not.  Ive yet to be wrong on that account. 

Aside from the cutscenes/story elements I agree with your assessment of TOR, if it weren't for my old guild from SWG reforming for TOR I most likely just would have played the hell out of it before launch and never purchased it.  (beta from summer to december for me)  I used that time simply to see which classes I liked, I didn't do a whole lot of story stuff , mostly grinded mobs and tested for issues, I love trying to break things so I like beta/alpha for that alone.

Originally posted by engellen

Without having played gw2 and only seeing the few gameplay videos from the media beta i was recently turned on to gw2 only in the past month or two.

after being one of the wounded victims of Swtor and thinking for a few months that i would not have an mmo to enjoy for quite sometime gw2 saved me.

the moment i knew for sure gw2 would be my future long term mmo was about 2 hours ago when i completely deleted WoW off of my pc.

wow has not been deleted off my hardrive in over 5 years.

You will install WOW again again, let say after 1 session in GW2.

Why?

I guess you didn`t played GW1 in the past cause if you did you would know that GW2 is nothing more than same old GW1 with improved graphics that implemented some features from other games (mainly Warhammer Online). 

I am not hater and not trying to deny that GW2 will have quality but the thing most of ppl dont know are the fact that you are all under HUGE Marketing curse.

NC Soft is behind games like: GW1, Tabula Rasa and Aion. All this games I have on my shelves and the reason for that is that I wanted to belive in all thet stories and videos of how game will be awesome and totaly new compare to WOW but at the end how did it ended.

Tabula Rasa is canceled like 2 month after relase.

GW1 -  had people playing it, not that much but still enough to keep it going for few years. Main reason for that is that game was without montly sub like GW2 will be.

Aion - ended up as f2p game.

It is not about spending 50 euros for a game cause you cant say it is not something you can aford or get from parents just I don`t buy bull stories that come from ppl that are there to take you 50 euros and blogers that are payed to rise the hype about the game.

If the companies that are trying to tell us that their game is good and well worth of paying it at ALL, then they should let as play it for FREE for a month and let US decide is it worth it or not.

Cause after you pay for the game they realy don`t care if you gonna play it for a month, years or you`ll uninstall the game after 5 min. 

Originally posted by koljane

Originally posted by engellen

Without having played gw2 and only seeing the few gameplay videos from the media beta i was recently turned on to gw2 only in the past month or two.

after being one of the wounded victims of Swtor and thinking for a few months that i would not have an mmo to enjoy for quite sometime gw2 saved me.

the moment i knew for sure gw2 would be my future long term mmo was about 2 hours ago when i completely deleted WoW off of my pc.

wow has not been deleted off my hardrive in over 5 years.

You will install WOW again again, let say after 1 session in GW2.

Why?

I guess you didn`t played GW1 in the past cause if you did you would know that GW2 is nothing more than same old GW1 with improved graphics that implemented some features from other games (mainly Warhammer Online). 

I am not hater and not trying to deny that GW2 will have quality but the thing most of ppl dont know are the fact that you are all under HUGE Marketing curse.

NC Soft is behind games like: GW1, Tabula Rasa and Aion. All this games I have on my shelves and the reason for that is that I wanted to belive in all thet stories and videos of how game will be awesome and totaly new compare to WOW but at the end how did it ended.

Tabula Rasa is canceled like 2 month after relase.

GW1 -  had people playing it, not that much but still enough to keep it going for few years. Main reason for that is that game was without montly sub like GW2 will be.

Aion - ended up as f2p game.

It is not about spending 50 euros for a game cause you cant say it is not something you can aford or get from parents just I don`t buy bull stories that come from ppl that are there to take you 50 euros and blogers that are payed to rise the hype about the game.

 

If the companies that are trying to tell us that their game is good and well worth of paying it at ALL, then they should let as play it for FREE for a month and let US decide is it worth it or not.

Cause after you pay for the game they realy don`t care if you gonna play it for a month, years or you`ll uninstall the game after 5 min. 

say wha? FYI NCSoft is not behind GW1.. thats Anet which is totally different. Also GW1 and GW2 are night and day my friend and actually GW1 was a great game, at least the way it is now I never played it before heroes and such.

Originally posted by ariboersma

 

you know whats funny about this.. I was just over there trying to clean up some responses in a ranger thread... ppl are nuts! They are actually claiming the ranger per AI issues are player issues.. refuse to understand that its been an issue for at least 1 press beta and the stress test even though the pets were partially fixed during stress. You would think hard facts would smack some sense into them but noooo >.< meanwhile on the Q&A there is a full page of "OMG why cant I download the client"

sry /rant

Haha rant or not it was a good read. Yeah you guys are definitely the good GW2 fans, I'll make an extra note to stay away from that forum, my run in with that mod from there over-here was enough to already keep me away.

Originally posted by Corehaven

....

I shell out gaming dollars for excellence.

....

Seems like some solid economic decision-making, but honestly, if I'd done the same thing, I'm afraid I'd not have played a single MMO up to now. :P 

I did pre-purchase GW2, because, let's face it, I was going to buy it some time anyway out of curiosity (plus, for me just the artwork and music is enough reason to buy this). I doubt it's going to be worse than most MMOs I purchased the last five years, and I almost always had about a month's fun out of them - which is really enough for me, but of course nothing approaching "excellence", given this genre of games is supposed to have staying power. :)

Originally posted by Corehaven

 What in hells bells are you talking about?  What?  You're going to need to explain yourself with that one because its so incredibly *** backwards I dont even know where to start.  Horrible. 

 The development team is extremely vocal.  Youtube is chalk full of videos and explanations.  There is information galor already and this coming weekends beta is NDA lifted.  How many games have you seen that have no release date, yet let closed Beta players live stream and SHOW what they are doing?  Huh? 

 You obviously have just been barely following this game.  Or you would know better.  Not to mention this information is VERY easy to stumble upon just by accident.  Just type in Guild Wars 2 on youtube.  Its easy. 

 GW2 fans arent hyped.  We're excited about what we've seen.  You know, the tons of actual gameplay and the detailed explanation giving through videos of whats going on online.  Explaining everything from the class skills to combat, to dynamic events to just about everything. 

 You have NO clue what you are talking about.  Im sorry. 

Whoa! What a mouthful!

This is what actually scares me abut fanbois, that even when complimenting the developers they rabidly chew on every word people says without a tiny bit of perspective. Perhaps a bit of reading depth for you? I understand that nowadays is almost imperative to e-mote almost everything in order for shallow readers to understand the meaning of a written intention but, are you serious?

Sorry for equating Hype with Information, oh no wait, you did that.

Distopia got it right. ArenaNet is a developer that has been INFORMING their fans without HYPING their game. The only time I felt ArenaNet was hyping it was on the Manifesto, and that's it, the rest has been them showing the game, letting people experience it and what is even more refreshing, not hiding the risks they are taking (CS notwithstanding). See? That's a compliment, I am saying that ANet is NOT hyping GW2, they are not telling us "this will be the second coming", they are showing us what we will get and us, the customers, are getting excited about it and many hype themselves.

Thanks for proving my point anyways.

Originally posted by Quixote

Originally posted by Corehaven

 What in hells bells are you talking about?  What?  You're going to need to explain yourself with that one because its so incredibly *** backwards I dont even know where to start.  Horrible. 

 The development team is extremely vocal.  Youtube is chalk full of videos and explanations.  There is information galor already and this coming weekends beta is NDA lifted.  How many games have you seen that have no release date, yet let closed Beta players live stream and SHOW what they are doing?  Huh? 

 You obviously have just been barely following this game.  Or you would know better.  Not to mention this information is VERY easy to stumble upon just by accident.  Just type in Guild Wars 2 on youtube.  Its easy. 

 GW2 fans arent hyped.  We're excited about what we've seen.  You know, the tons of actual gameplay and the detailed explanation giving through videos of whats going on online.  Explaining everything from the class skills to combat, to dynamic events to just about everything. 

 You have NO clue what you are talking about.  Im sorry. 

Whoa! What a mouthful!

This is what actually scares me abut fanbois, that even when complimenting the developers they rabidly chew on every word people says without a tiny bit of perspective. Perhaps a bit of reading depth for you? I understand that nowadays is almost imperative to e-mote almost everything in order for shallow readers to understand the meaning of a written intention but, are you serious?

Sorry for equating Hype with Information, oh no wait, you did that.

Distopia got it right. ArenaNet is a developer that has been INFORMING their fans without HYPING their game. The only time I felt ArenaNet was hyping it was on the Manifesto, and that's it, the rest has been them showing the game, letting people experience it and what is even more refreshing, not hiding the risks they are taking (CS notwithstanding). See? That's a compliment, I am saying that ANet is NOT hyping GW2, they are not telling us "this will be the second coming", they are showing us what we will get and us, the customers, are getting excited about it and many hype themselves.

Thanks for proving my point anyways.

thank you addressing this post.. I couldn't figure out what to say! Information is not hype.. hype is advertisment, at least thats how I see it.. on that note perhaps I can sleep now >.<

Originally posted by koljane

Originally posted by engellen

Without having played gw2 and only seeing the few gameplay videos from the media beta i was recently turned on to gw2 only in the past month or two.

after being one of the wounded victims of Swtor and thinking for a few months that i would not have an mmo to enjoy for quite sometime gw2 saved me.

the moment i knew for sure gw2 would be my future long term mmo was about 2 hours ago when i completely deleted WoW off of my pc.

wow has not been deleted off my hardrive in over 5 years.

You will install WOW again again, let say after 1 session in GW2.

Why?

I guess you didn`t played GW1 in the past cause if you did you would know that GW2 is nothing more than same old GW1 with improved graphics that implemented some features from other games (mainly Warhammer Online). 

I am not hater and not trying to deny that GW2 will have quality but the thing most of ppl dont know are the fact that you are all under HUGE Marketing curse.

NC Soft is behind games like: GW1, Tabula Rasa and Aion. All this games I have on my shelves and the reason for that is that I wanted to belive in all thet stories and videos of how game will be awesome and totaly new compare to WOW but at the end how did it ended.

Tabula Rasa is canceled like 2 month after relase.

GW1 -  had people playing it, not that much but still enough to keep it going for few years. Main reason for that is that game was without montly sub like GW2 will be.

Aion - ended up as f2p game.

It is not about spending 50 euros for a game cause you cant say it is not something you can aford or get from parents just I don`t buy bull stories that come from ppl that are there to take you 50 euros and blogers that are payed to rise the hype about the game.

 

If the companies that are trying to tell us that their game is good and well worth of paying it at ALL, then they should let as play it for FREE for a month and let US decide is it worth it or not.

Cause after you pay for the game they realy don`t care if you gonna play it for a month, years or you`ll uninstall the game after 5 min. 

 

 

Okay first off Im not resubbing to WoW.  Ive been without it for years and been a happy camper.  Thanks. 

Now then, I never payed an eyes worth to those games you mentioned.  I give attention to the game itself.  I will say with no arrogance that I am good at picking them.  For me at least.  Now I do like mmos, and I do find some enjoyment there.  But I didnt prepurchase.  Now you are saying you dont trust people who have monetarily invested in the game thus they have emotionally invested in the game before playing it and thats darn solid.  You get props. 

Which is why I havent pre purchased.   Im just keeping an ear to the ground.  But GW2 looks good to me. 

Past games AND ONLY the recently past games that have looked good to me?   First Assasins Creed.  Batman Arkham City.  Oblivion.  Red Dead Redemption.  Mass Effect (1st).   Borderlands (my worst pick but it was decent).   First Gears of War (back in the day).  GTA 4 .   Skyrim. 

I got interested and excited in these examples LONG before there was a whole lot of info on them.  I knew I was going to buy them.  Now Im not expert but even friends of mine know I can pick em.  Im very good at it.  My best friend actually asks me what Im looking forward too and I tell him.  And he listens. 

I dont buy crap games.  Except Star Trek Online.  Okay I admit that one.  But I knew what I was getting with that beforehand.  I yelled it on the boards.  People bombed me.  Im just a stupid Star Trek nerd so it was a must.    But otherwise Im decent at picking them.  GW2 so far looks solid to me and did when I first heard about it which is not something the typical mmorpg gets out of me at all. 

You have valid reasons but Im not siding with you on this one yet.  No amount of fandom affects me.  Haters dont either.  I will see for myself and I always do, and i like what I see and have for some time. 

As for getting into Beta, Id like that very much without having to prepurchase it.  Id test the game, submit reports and plenty of them, but I know just from playing a couple of days if a game meets my high expectations.  And they are high. 

Originally posted by MMOExposed

Originally posted by Quixote

GW2 is probably the first MMO I have seen where most of the hype is created by players themselves with little to no actual hype from the developer, which perhaps is even scarier.

Be careful with deleting old games without having tried a new game (i.e. don't think you'll never go back to WoW). I now see my cousin downloading WoW again after deleting it a few months back, swearing he would be playing SWTOR for years to come - "I mean" said he "if it is like WoW but with the SW ip, why would I ever leave? why would I ever come back to WoW?"

 

Actually SWTOR was hyped purely by fans. Bioware launched the game with the stuff the said they would. Nothing more. Honestly the game had no hype outside of Story focus, and IP. That was it. The developers even said the game was going to be WoW like, so I can't see how anybody could have been overhyped by that.

Most of the hype came from Bioware fans, and Starwars Fans. That's it. But the community inflated that hype, and it popped on them.

That statement is flat out wrong. 

I would call the CGi, and the advertising campaigns pre-release as developer/publisher HYPE, something not done until April 10th by ANet.

The community was up in arms until and after release about how bad the game was in the closed beta's, and how the beta testers were flat out ignored. This was swept under the rug by Bioware, and the huge SWTOR campaign to buy buy buy was implemented.

You played wow for 5 years?  Can I have your stuff?

Originally posted by Quixote

Originally posted by Corehaven

 What in hells bells are you talking about?  What?  You're going to need to explain yourself with that one because its so incredibly *** backwards I dont even know where to start.  Horrible. 

 The development team is extremely vocal.  Youtube is chalk full of videos and explanations.  There is information galor already and this coming weekends beta is NDA lifted.  How many games have you seen that have no release date, yet let closed Beta players live stream and SHOW what they are doing?  Huh? 

 You obviously have just been barely following this game.  Or you would know better.  Not to mention this information is VERY easy to stumble upon just by accident.  Just type in Guild Wars 2 on youtube.  Its easy. 

 GW2 fans arent hyped.  We're excited about what we've seen.  You know, the tons of actual gameplay and the detailed explanation giving through videos of whats going on online.  Explaining everything from the class skills to combat, to dynamic events to just about everything. 

 You have NO clue what you are talking about.  Im sorry. 

Whoa! What a mouthful!

This is what actually scares me abut fanbois, that even when complimenting the developers they rabidly chew on every word people says without a tiny bit of perspective. Perhaps a bit of reading depth for you? I understand that nowadays is almost imperative to e-mote almost everything in order for shallow readers to understand the meaning of a written intention but, are you serious?

Sorry for equating Hype with Information, oh no wait, you did that.

Distopia got it right. ArenaNet is a developer that has been INFORMING their fans without HYPING their game. The only time I felt ArenaNet was hyping it was on the Manifesto, and that's it, the rest has been them showing the game, letting people experience it and what is even more refreshing, not hiding the risks they are taking (CS notwithstanding). See? That's a compliment, I am saying that ANet is NOT hyping GW2, they are not telling us "this will be the second coming", they are showing us what we will get and us, the customers, are getting excited about it and many hype themselves.

Thanks for proving my point anyways.

No thats great I totally agree with you. 

Except you say that Anet is not hyping their game and its scary (sarcasm?) say NOTHING of what you just said, and then go on to tell people to be careful about deleting old games like WoW in case you want to go back to them.  

Furthermore, I disagree with a LOT of hype coming from the community because they like what they've seen through information.  So is that hype?  Oh sure there's some.  But most people are talking about what they've seen so I cant even agree there.  Saying the community is hyping it is something I dont entirely buy. 

Apparently THIS is what you meant to say instead and apparently Im a fanboy for not understanding you.  Or rather, you just need to get your point across in a reasonable manner as you just did.  What you said before makes no sense in comparison to what you just said as far as Im concerned. 

And your point is well taken.  This time.