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4/24/12 9:23:33 PM#141
cash shops and RMAH are evil until the game you like has them. |
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4/24/12 9:23:56 PM#142
Originally posted by frisp
But that definition of "Pay To Win" has not been relevant for many years. Most F2P games do not have items that you cannot get through just playing the game without opening your wallet. Very often, the so called "Pay To WIn" item malls have been about convenience, but that convenience has been so large that a regular players had to spend ridiculous amounts of hours playing to catch up to the spenders.
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4/24/12 9:24:30 PM#143
Really, continue with the fucking cash shop threads. As long as they don't sell better gear or a buff that give 100% extra damge for PvP, Who cares?.... |
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4/24/12 9:24:52 PM#144
Originally posted by FrodoFragins So sad, and so true... =/ |
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4/24/12 9:25:32 PM#145
Originally posted by Honner Even 1% more damage in PvP would make my head explode instantly. SWTOR is the greatest mmo ever! |
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4/24/12 9:25:55 PM#146
Originally posted by Honner Everyone who cares about other competitions other than the PVP one, for starters. |
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4/24/12 9:26:10 PM#147
Why can't the naysayers just realize...you're not paying a subscription fee. That's saving you $15 a month for a good product. Some people I know are going to budget themselves to spend that same amount on the cash shop every month. Nothing lost, nothing gained in terms of value.
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4/24/12 9:26:17 PM#148
Originally posted by evolver1972 Of course there are subtle differences, I fail to see how my comment was all black and white though, seemed to be all grey to me. While the subtsances within a cash-shop may be different, the idea of the cash shop is the same across the board. Extra revenue is the goal, and the only goal. I don't care about any cash shop, they've never had an effect toward my enjoyment of a game. The only thing that matters to me about cash-shops is whether they are in my face or not, that's less about cash shop and more about advertising though. For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson If you can't argue the point don't say anything at all. |
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4/24/12 9:27:45 PM#149
Originally posted by waynejr2 GW2 wasn't the subject at hand... For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson If you can't argue the point don't say anything at all. |
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4/24/12 9:30:13 PM#150
Faulting a developer for monetizing a game they put years of their life into creating is ridiculous. Seriously, these people aren't here for the sole purpose of creating entertainment for you. They have every right to generate revenue off of their endeavors and the consumer has every right not to purchase a product offered to them that doesn't fit their needs, wants or beliefs. Personally, I will happily purchase gems if I enjoy the game. Why? Because people who provide me with hours (possibly hundreds of hours) of entertainment deserve something tangible for their efforts. At least that's what I believe. |
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heartless
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Joined: 1/05/04
Imagination will often carry us to worlds that never were. But without it we go nowhere. -Carl Sagan |
4/24/12 9:30:46 PM#151
Originally posted by TwoThreeFour What other competitions? The only competition this game offers is PvP. Everything else is build around cooperation with other players.
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4/24/12 9:32:13 PM#152
Originally posted by rykim86
I would prefer having a 30$ subscription fee with a cosmetic-only item mall where you couldn't trade your item mall currency for ingame money, over having a convenience item mall where you can acquire ingame money through selling item mall currency. It is a matter of principle for me, not the money itself. |
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4/24/12 9:33:46 PM#153
Originally posted by heartless Egotistical competitions. You know the "First to level 80", "First to figure out resource nodes and routes", "First to complete X content" etc....
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Southpaw.Gamer
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Joined: 11/25/08
Full Sail University - Game Design Student |
4/24/12 9:34:05 PM#154
I will complain only if I find the prices to be unfair... otherwise this actually might be the first F2P MMO that I put some real money into. If they deserve my money they will have it. I do hope however anything we can buy brings no PvP advantages since I have no interest in a Pay-2-Win game. |
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Corehaven
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Joined: 7/27/11
I swear by my pretty floral bonnet, I will end you. |
4/24/12 9:35:24 PM#155
Originally posted by Thanosxp
Actually Im fine with cash shops. Unless the game is charging a sub fee. Then yes, they are evil.
GW2 is not charging a sub fee. So Im okay with it.
But if a game has a sub fee, and Im playing, and they then put in a cash shop.....man will you see me throw a fit then. I'll accept one of the other. Not both at the same time. To me thats just stupid. |
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4/24/12 9:35:25 PM#156
Originally posted by sonoggi Well Said... +1000
So as long as it doesn't break the gameplay aspect, and they don't force it upon us.. I'm all for my fav dev's making money in order to stay in business..
Let them get rich or not, we all gonna die leave it one day, but if you wanna be rich why not try working for them or go another route. |
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4/24/12 9:35:25 PM#157
Originally posted by heartless The game developers do not dictate which competitions the players find relevant, that's up to the players themselves to decide. Some wouldn't even give a shit about the PvP competition.
To point out different competitions that people may find important enough for them personally: different vanity-competitions, crafting competitions, wealth-competitions, beating hard PvE-content competitions and other PvE competitions, etc.
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4/24/12 9:35:57 PM#158
Originally posted by rykim86
Oooooohhhhh. You mean epeen flexing in cooperative PvE? Say what you mean then. All the stuff that takes no skill, just more time investment than the next guy. |
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4/24/12 9:36:51 PM#159
Originally posted by colddog04 What they carry is not the same but their basic existence is, that's my point. Cash-shop existence is always going to be susceptible to bad habit, no matter who the company running them is. Those sales however are going to be determined by player reaction, and purchases. Gamers are more responsible than anyone when it comes to the substance they carry. Any company profiting off pay to win, is being supported by those who accept p2w. As with all things we can only expect what we as a whole accept. For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson If you can't argue the point don't say anything at all. |
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4/24/12 9:37:37 PM#160
I've already seen this episode. *changes channel* no GW2 won't kill WoW, but it's time to move on and quit worrying about those people still playing it. - eyelolled |
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