Diablo 3 has recieved a TON of criticism to the point of people being like this ruins the diablo franchise, I am never buying this game etc etc.

Now some criticism may be justified like not being allowed to choose your own stats or a true static spell/skill selection, a penalty for switching spells/skills on the fly.

Those are understandable, but the game got bashed for the stupidest things for example

1. (It`s too easy), this one is very very dumb, you played the tutorial 45 min version of act 1, not even the whole act, but 45 mins of act 1 normal mode (easy), yet you complain the games too easy?

2. (RMAH) this was almost number one, ALMOST, who cares if people buy items in the game? They been doing it for the longest time, through ebay, D2J etc. If people wanna buy items they will buy items, if they wanna sell items they will sell items. People say this is pay 2 win, whos winning? This isnt a mmorpg, Diablo 3 has no competition, people are going to be getting items either way, whether they spend 8 hours grinding diablo 3 all day or 8 hours grinding at work to get those items. I see no difference. If you hate it, dont use it, why is this a deal breaker?

3. (The graphics are WoWs graphics), another dumb one, this games graphics are not cartoony at all, if anything from what I played its just a more refined and a little brighter than diablo 2. When I logged on and played the game I thought it was going to be cartoony with no atmosphere. The graveyards and abandoned shacks etc, felt dark and creepy.

4. (I just dont like blizzard their all about money). So is every other company.

5. (path of exile is better) What again? Oh that game that gave most people a massive head and nausea due to its weird lighting.

In closing I know a lot of you are like "well thank you big daddy nomatics, but I STILL HATE BLIZZARD and Diablo 3 just sux because I take it ***#%## shoot. Well I cant help ya there!

Originally posted by nomatics856

2. (RMAH) this was almost number one, ALMOST, who cares if people buy items in the game? They been doing it for the longest time, through ebay, D2J etc. If people wanna buy items they will buy items, if they wanna sell items they will sell items. People say this is pay 2 win, whos winning? This isnt a mmorpg, Diablo 3 has no competition, people are going to be getting items either way, whether they spend 8 hours grinding diablo 3 all day or 8 hours grinding at work to get those items. I see no difference. If you hate it, dont use it, why is this a deal breaker?

The idea of the RMAH does impact gameplay if you choose to PvP, when this is added in a later patch. People with money can in fact buy superior items or item sets aka P2W.

Additionally, the idea that Blizz plans on taking $1.25 out of each transaction and will pay you only in battle.net dollars, which can be converted to real money with another yet to be determined fee. Blizz isn't doing this to protect players but to develop a revenue stream, which they are entitled to do, but many people find distatesful.

Many people find the above two issues problematic.

1. No Custom Games

2. No pvp (arenas)

3. No duels

4. 4 people per game

5. RMAH

How are those unreasonalbe things to be mad about?

Go back to nughugging blizzard, maybe they'll only charge you $1.00 per transaction

Originally posted by ihatenoobs01

1. No Custom Games

2. No pvp (arenas)

3. No duels

4. 4 people per game

5. RMAH

 

How are those unreasonalbe things to be mad about?

Go back to nughugging blizzard, maybe they'll only charge you $1.00 per transaction

None of those systems are an incremental reason to why I want to play Diablo 3. It's not an MMO. That's not what Diablo is about for me. I'm there for the loot and the great pacing and monster slaying. That's all I want Diablo to do. That's the most I can applaud them for. For making the game focused. PvP would be interesting. But in the face of a less solid single player game? ABSOLUTELY NOT.

Havent we had enough games with tagged on competitive multiplayer modes? better have a great campaign, than a half finished campaign and a half finished arena. I can wait for the PvP, you should be able to too. Complaining about how everything is not in at your desired time frame is unreasonable. Or at least unconstructive. It would be like complaining over rain. It's out of your control. If  they could have managed to get the PvP in at launch they would have. Obviously. So be patient. 

Not at all, I dont know how much you've been aware of it but alot of D2 fans like myself will not be purchasing the game and are highly dissapointed.  That being said alot of people will still be buying it, but the hate is not just because of anything.  I was highly looking forward to this game and blizzard crushed that excitement with a poor quality product. 

My complaints, completely seperate from above

1. Removal of skill trees; I understand that this mechanic typically results in there being a cookie-cutter build for each class that rises above all else. However, skill trees provide 2 benefits - 1) The illusion of a great deal of customization and 2) While there are cookie cutter builds, there is one for multiple roles within each class. The same applies to the stat system. This is why people claim Path of Exile is oh so much better, you have options.

Sure, it's primitive by todays standards. Whether an illusion or not however, at least I FEEL like I have choices.

2. Removal of the healing/mana pot system. I personally believe part of what made the previous games so fun was the frantic minigame that was keeping yourself alive also resulting in a lot of "OH SHIT!" moments. The same applies to the removal of town portal scrolls; Does anyone remember that moment when you were deep in a dungeon and you ran out of town portal scrolls and were running low on pots? That feeling of being deep in a dungeon trying to survive is now made obsolete.

3. Lack of innovation (This is more a subjective complaint); This is a genre that has been stagnant for years. Either you make Diablo 3 an upgraded Diablo 2 (ala Starcraft 2) or you better damn well innovate. Simplifying opposed to innovating is exactly what has been driving communities into madness in the last few years.

I will be playing Diablo 3 due to it's satisfying combat and presentation but I can not imagine it turning into the passion that Diablo 2 was for years upon years.

Originally posted by ihatenoobs01

1. No Custom Games

It is my understanding that there will be custom games which you can get friends into. Right now I am in wait/see but the fun factor out weighs this.

2. No pvp (arenas)

Coming soon

3. No duels

Personally I am glad they removed the hostile. Had many HC  games totally ruined because someone went hostile. Everone TP and left the game right in the middle of a boss fight. Even jokingly it was in very bad taste when you have invested 100's of hours into your char.

4. 4 people per game

Bit low on party I admit but to me not game breaking since it is 4 people and 4 mercs

5. RMAH

 RMAH is here to stay in almost all games so what you going to do in the future?

How are those unreasonalbe things to be mad about?

Go back to nughugging blizzard, maybe they'll only charge you $1.00 per transaction

I would take any opinion from this website aimed at any blizzard product with a grain of salt. 

I played diablo 1&2, and was impressed with the limited beta play time I had. 

just the sound effects alone in the game brought me back, and I loved it. 

Originally posted by Strycker

My complaints, completely seperate from above

1. Removal of skill trees; I understand that this mechanic typically results in there being a cookie-cutter build for each class that rises above all else. However, skill trees provide 2 benefits - 1) The illusion of a great deal of customization and 2) While there are cookie cutter builds, there is one for multiple roles within each class. The same applies to the stat system. This is why people claim Path of Exile is oh so much better, you have options.

Sure, it's primitive by todays standards. Whether an illusion or not however, at least I FEEL like I have choices.

Go elective mode. There are more ways to build a char with less headach than having to re-roll 5 times to get the build that is sastifying to play. I rather have progress if I were to make bad choice and be able to respec than to reroll and there are many more ways to build than in D2.

2. Removal of the healing/mana pot system. I personally believe part of what made the previous games so fun was the frantic minigame that was keeping yourself alive also resulting in a lot of "OH SHIT!" moments. The same applies to the removal of town portal scrolls; Does anyone remember that moment when you were deep in a dungeon and you ran out of town portal scrolls and were running low on pots? That feeling of being deep in a dungeon trying to survive is now made obsolete.

I am glad has hell thay removed the abilities to spam the pots and scrolls it will make more challenge in HC. Really looking forward to it. Yeah, I lost a couple in OB but I learned fast that the game is not like D2. Once you get TP you can use it anytime just not in combat. Your on a short timer with healing pots and mana regen is very fast so it actually requires a bit of skill for those 'OH SHIT' moments. You need to make a few judgment calls but over all the HC game play I was very pleased with it.

3. Lack of innovation (This is more a subjective complaint); This is a genre that has been stagnant for years. Either you make Diablo 3 an upgraded Diablo 2 (ala Starcraft 2) or you better damn well innovate. Simplifying opposed to innovating is exactly what has been driving communities into madness in the last few years.

 D3 is MUCH better than D2 once you start looking at the data. I was D2 crazy HC player until Dupping and trigger hacks ruined the game for me and my friends. You are looking at a very small portion if you played OB but the site has a massive amount of data on the subject. I think you will really enjoy it unless you were a hacker.

I will be playing Diablo 3 due to it's satisfying combat and presentation but I can not imagine it turning into the passion that Diablo 2 was for years upon years.

 

I want to add something here.

I don't think people understand that in this game your helth is returned as you play with health pots the mobs drop. It is automatic life regen and you slay mobs, save the pots and run back if you get in a jam you may need a health potion. Under most conditions you can run away form the mobs long enough to let the potion timer run out. It makes for a much more engaging combat since you don't have to contiuly worry about the health potions in your backpack.

Originally posted by Charlizzard

Originally posted by nomatics856

2. (RMAH) this was almost number one, ALMOST, who cares if people buy items in the game? They been doing it for the longest time, through ebay, D2J etc. If people wanna buy items they will buy items, if they wanna sell items they will sell items. People say this is pay 2 win, whos winning? This isnt a mmorpg, Diablo 3 has no competition, people are going to be getting items either way, whether they spend 8 hours grinding diablo 3 all day or 8 hours grinding at work to get those items. I see no difference. If you hate it, dont use it, why is this a deal breaker?

The idea of the RMAH does impact gameplay if you choose to PvP, when this is added in a later patch. People with money can in fact buy superior items or item sets aka P2W.

Additionally, the idea that Blizz plans on taking $1.25 out of each transaction and will pay you only in battle.net dollars, which can be converted to real money with another yet to be determined fee. Blizz isn't doing this to protect players but to develop a revenue stream, which they are entitled to do, but many people find distatesful.

Many people find the above two issues problematic.

it also affects pve with the increased number of spammers. because not only will the goldsellers be there grinding their butts off now they're definitely going to be making real money in it, but so will every other player. you can guarantee you're going to be flooded with messages and having to put pretty much everyone on ignore. which is going to get seriously irritating seriously fast.

also, d2 was an okay game, which has lasted so long only because of fan-mods. blizz is being retarded with d3, so i feel it's one of those games which will tire quickly. i've said it before, and don't mind saying it again, but torchlight2 seems the way to go. moddable, evolving, and pretty much d3 anyway, but with so many extra features it's like a mini mmo.

Actually it proves that blind fans of a company will defend their games regardless if people have serious and real complaints with the game or not.

I don't understand why everyone is crying about the RMAH. IF you ever played diablo 2 you would know that Ebay was FULL of gear you could buy. How is this any different? It's not. Blizzard understands that there is now way to avoid people selling gear on sites like ebay and chose the route of making some additional money from it.

Think of it this way, you are running a gaming company and you can do one of two things.

A. Let the chinese farmers sell gear on sites like Ebay and make profit or

B. Create your own RMAH and make some extra profits.

Remember you are running a company and all companies are about making profit, so the obvious choise is B. If you think Blizzard not implementing a RMAH is going to stop people from buying and selling gear on other sites then you are oblivious to what really goes on in the gaming world.

Yes, some people are going to have gear advantages in PVP, but gear does not necessarily mean anything if the player still sucks.

Originally posted by insanejosh

I don't understand why everyone is crying about the RMAH. IF you ever played diablo 2 you would know that Ebay was FULL of gear you could buy. How is this any different? It's not. Blizzard understands that there is now way to avoid people selling gear on sites like ebay and chose the route of making some additional money from it.

Think of it this way, you are running a gaming company and you can do one of two things.

A. Let the chinese farmers sell gear on sites like Ebay and make profit or

B. Create your own RMAH and make some extra profits.

Remember you are running a company and all companies are about making profit, so the obvious choise is B. If you think Blizzard not implementing a RMAH is going to stop people from buying and selling gear on other sites then you are oblivious to what really goes on in the gaming world.

Yes, some people are going to have gear advantages in PVP, but gear does not necessarily mean anything if the player still sucks.

Is it logical? Sure.

But should consumers be happy that Blizz is finding ever increasing ways to monetize pixels, from boe pets (legitimizing gold selling in WoW) to mounts to their crowning achievement, the RMAH, where they take a percentage of the action coming and going and don't really care if it is indeed P2W?

And since they're businessmen, do you think that they're not looking at this closely to find out if people will tolerate a similar model in WoW, or planning to incorporate this is Titan? Remember, they've already seen how much money they can make off a virtual pet or a mount that takes almost no development time to create.

Originally posted by Charlizzard

Originally posted by insanejosh

I don't understand why everyone is crying about the RMAH. IF you ever played diablo 2 you would know that Ebay was FULL of gear you could buy. How is this any different? It's not. Blizzard understands that there is now way to avoid people selling gear on sites like ebay and chose the route of making some additional money from it.

Think of it this way, you are running a gaming company and you can do one of two things.

A. Let the chinese farmers sell gear on sites like Ebay and make profit or

B. Create your own RMAH and make some extra profits.

Remember you are running a company and all companies are about making profit, so the obvious choise is B. If you think Blizzard not implementing a RMAH is going to stop people from buying and selling gear on other sites then you are oblivious to what really goes on in the gaming world.

Yes, some people are going to have gear advantages in PVP, but gear does not necessarily mean anything if the player still sucks.

Is it logical? Sure.

But should consumers be happy that Blizz is finding ever increasing ways to monetize pixels, from boe pets (legitimizing gold selling in WoW) to mounts to their crowning achievement, the RMAH, where they take a percentage of the action coming and going and don't really care if it is indeed P2W?

And since they're businessmen, do you think that they're not looking at this closely to find out if people will tolerate a similar model in WoW, or planning to incorporate this is Titan? Remember, they've already seen how much money they can make off a virtual pet or a mount that takes almost no development time to create.

tell me, dear blizzard hater, what would you have them do to keep the chinese farmers from selling the gear for real money anyway? have all gear be bind on pickup? im sure that'll go over well.

Originally posted by Sephiroso

Originally posted by Charlizzard

Originally posted by insanejosh

I don't understand why everyone is crying about the RMAH. IF you ever played diablo 2 you would know that Ebay was FULL of gear you could buy. How is this any different? It's not. Blizzard understands that there is now way to avoid people selling gear on sites like ebay and chose the route of making some additional money from it.

Think of it this way, you are running a gaming company and you can do one of two things.

A. Let the chinese farmers sell gear on sites like Ebay and make profit or

B. Create your own RMAH and make some extra profits.

Remember you are running a company and all companies are about making profit, so the obvious choise is B. If you think Blizzard not implementing a RMAH is going to stop people from buying and selling gear on other sites then you are oblivious to what really goes on in the gaming world.

Yes, some people are going to have gear advantages in PVP, but gear does not necessarily mean anything if the player still sucks.

Is it logical? Sure.

But should consumers be happy that Blizz is finding ever increasing ways to monetize pixels, from boe pets (legitimizing gold selling in WoW) to mounts to their crowning achievement, the RMAH, where they take a percentage of the action coming and going and don't really care if it is indeed P2W?

And since they're businessmen, do you think that they're not looking at this closely to find out if people will tolerate a similar model in WoW, or planning to incorporate this is Titan? Remember, they've already seen how much money they can make off a virtual pet or a mount that takes almost no development time to create.

tell me, dear blizzard hater, what would you have them do to keep the chinese farmers from selling the gear for real money anyway? have all gear be bind on pickup? im sure that'll go over well.

Thank you!! Everyone complains about the RMAH, with the only real solution is BOP and there would be 100x more hate.

Originally posted by insanejosh

I don't understand why everyone is crying about the RMAH. IF you ever played diablo 2 you would know that Ebay was FULL of gear you could buy. How is this any different? It's not. Blizzard understands that there is now way to avoid people selling gear on sites like ebay and chose the route of making some additional money from it.

Think of it this way, you are running a gaming company and you can do one of two things.

A. Let the chinese farmers sell gear on sites like Ebay and make profit or

B. Create your own RMAH and make some extra profits.

Remember you are running a company and all companies are about making profit, so the obvious choise is B. If you think Blizzard not implementing a RMAH is going to stop people from buying and selling gear on other sites then you are oblivious to what really goes on in the gaming world.

Yes, some people are going to have gear advantages in PVP, but gear does not necessarily mean anything if the player still sucks.

The business of underground human trafficking is a world-wide industry - Should we be trying to capitalize on this since people are going to do it anyway?

An extreme example, yes, but it serves well to put things into perespective.

Originally posted by ArChWind

I may start another OMFG response here but did you kown that is this game there is NO secure trade? Only way to get something is through the AH secure. All other trades are throw on the ground and pick up so who you going to trust?

 

whats your point? you can sell stuff on the AH for in game gold to so i don't see whats so bad about that. I mean its kinda stupid to not have a secure character to character trade but devs make dumb decisions in 100% games.

to the post above mine, no, no that does not put anything into perspective. thats like me saying i'm gonna destroy every butter jar because its trying to take the place of peanut butter and peanut butter is the perfect race and somehow relate that to hitler and the jews.

Turn it around, do people only love Diablo 3 because of Blizzard? Ask yourself this, if this game was named "Demon Hunters" and made by Noname studios, would there be so much talk and love for it? Would the RMAH and always have to be connected get a pass as easily from some people?

Originally posted by helthros

Originally posted by insanejosh

I don't understand why everyone is crying about the RMAH. IF you ever played diablo 2 you would know that Ebay was FULL of gear you could buy. How is this any different? It's not. Blizzard understands that there is now way to avoid people selling gear on sites like ebay and chose the route of making some additional money from it.

Think of it this way, you are running a gaming company and you can do one of two things.

A. Let the chinese farmers sell gear on sites like Ebay and make profit or

B. Create your own RMAH and make some extra profits.

Remember you are running a company and all companies are about making profit, so the obvious choise is B. If you think Blizzard not implementing a RMAH is going to stop people from buying and selling gear on other sites then you are oblivious to what really goes on in the gaming world.

Yes, some people are going to have gear advantages in PVP, but gear does not necessarily mean anything if the player still sucks.

 

The business of underground human trafficking is a world-wide industry - Should we be trying to capitalize on this since people are going to do it anyway?

An extreme example, yes, but it serves well to put things into perespective.

Durg trafficking makes more money.