If anything, I think we should be encouraging peeps to use it. As long as they make money from it, there's no reason it should be made to impose on those who don't. On the flipside if no-one uses it (or very few) the cashshop will get worse IMO.

Originally posted by graggok

Sir I diagree and believe you don't know how cash shops work

This might just be one of the funnest things Ive read in a long time.   Im pretty sure we all know EXACTLY how cash shops work and how they shape and form what goes in and stays OUT of the games we play.

I stand by my word in stating F2P games and cash shops are loved by people who:

Have no means to pay for a sub game and are most likely leeching off of someone elses internet, parent, roomate etc.

Have plenty of extra money they are wiling to dump into a game to get a leg up on someone else

Having the attention span of a nat and dont care about maxing their character, they are just looking for something to hold their attention until the next F2P releases.

That about covers it.  All the level headed employeed people would rather pay a sub for a game and get the ENTIRE game in one measured cost and attain all a game has to offer in a resonable length of time.

Originally posted by Betakodo

I disagree. The original box purchase helps build expansions, and they knowledge that they're going to charge you for the expansions is what helps build them. Think about it, how does a game get developed in the first place if there was no cash shop to support it before it even released? The price they have planned to charge you for the expansion is what builds expansions. There is no need for cash shop, that is just a convenient lie.

Corehaven, I paid $60 to be in the beta. Oooohhh my job. Umad you not get in? Besides, who knows if the beta will just be anything more than the builds shown at PAX anyways?

Stop whining already. The game will be free to play. You pay the regular price for the game just like any other games you'd buy for your ps3, xbox or PC, play it whenever you like, and owe it forever without having to worry about monthly subscription fee or spare time to play to make it worth the monthly fee. What more do you want? The cashshop income will help support the staffs who will be working hard to keep the game running 24/7, pay for servers, and future add ons or expansion packs. All of that for a one time charge isn't too bad at all! So stop whining already. You participate in beta events to help report bugs to an unreleased game and help the Developers polish the final product for general bublic so that all can enjoy a quality and finished game. Beta isn't a finished product demo for your to judge it's final release quality! So yes, DO YOUR JOB and report any bugs. I got the feeling you never even played GW1 and its addons.

If all of the info about the game is correct and considering the sheer amount of info available I believe GW2 is everything that I have seen and heard so far and I will gladly drop 10 to 15 a month in the shop. Granted these purchases will be vanity items, char slots and inventory expansion options. Don't need any type of boosters or potion thingies because i will be face-plowing peeps on skill alone. 

I dont play games that sell "time savers" and/or boosts for real money. There is no way we can know what will actually be in the CS when the game is released. I will wait and find out after release. But, in general, I dont think a CS can be very profitable without selling such items. If it turns out they only sell cosmetics I will buy the game.

Originally posted by Distopia

If anything, I think we should be encouraging peeps to use it. As long as they make money from it, there's no reason it should be made to impose on those who don't. On the flipside if no-one uses it (or very few) the cashshop will get worse IMO.

You know, I never really thought about that. You sir are a gentleman AND a scholar!

Originally posted by snapfusion

Originally posted by graggok

Sir I diagree and believe you don't know how cash shops work

This might just be one of the funnest things Ive read in a long time.   Im pretty sure we all know EXACTLY how cash shops work and how they shape and form what goes in and stays OUT of the games we play.

I stand by my word in stating F2P games and cash shops are loved by people who:

Have no means to pay for a sub game and are most likely leeching off of someone elses internet, parent, roomate etc.

Have plenty of extra money they are wiling to dump into a game to get a leg up on someone else

Having the attention span of a nat and dont care about maxing their character, they are just looking for something to hold their attention until the next F2P releases.

That about covers it.  All the level headed employeed people would rather pay a sub for a game and get the ENTIRE game in one measured cost and attain all a game has to offer in a resonable length of time.

Sorry to burst your bubble but this level headed employed person would rather play a game without a sub.  For the simple fact that I think it's absolutely ridiculous to pay to play a game I've already bought.  With a CS (and if there are items I consider Pay2Win in the CS I stop playing) I have the option of deciding what to spend my money on.  Rather than some developer deciding that for me.  And please don't start with the silly notion that developers need that $10-$15 per month for "maintenance", etc.

But of course, I'm sure your circular argument would be something to the effect of:  "You aren't level-headed because you would rather play a F2P game with a CS than a sub-based game."  Which would be your way of making sure your statements are "fact".

LOL at people wanting to revolt because of the cash shop.

Stop being cheap.

Originally posted by Betakodo

We keep hearing about how feedback from the beta weekend will determine what's put in the game and release, so on the feedback forms this weekend, be sure to put negative feedback in every form regarding gems and the cash shop. Of course, go ahead and look at all the crap that gold can buy you. The most expensive I believe will be the commander position for WvW and PvE along with prestiege.

Down with legalized cheating and unfairness! Down with cash shop in a $60 game!

Remember, gold buying is illegal in other online games for a reason. Gamers, rise up like we did in Operation Rainfall! Except this time against companies trying to squeeze more cash out of us! Enough with on the disc DLC and cash shops in non F2P games. It's time we as gamers take a stand! Arenanet needs to fight the gold farmers instead of becoming the gold farmers themselves to profit. They haven't fought the farmers yet and yet they implement legalized RMT? Backwards.

Kudos to the heroes who reported Capcom for having on disc DLC to the better business bureau. You can be a hero too! Complain about gems and the cash shop in every feedback form you get, and on the official beta forums.

are you a console gamer? if you say no, you're excused, if you say yes, for shame you ginormous hypocrite. and no i shall not explain myself

It's funny that often people who complain about a cash shop selling cosmetic items are the same people who think nothing of paying to faction/server change in wow to join a more progressed guild or to gain some advantage in PvP.

Ok, clearly you're one of the many people who don't understand how the GW2 "cash shop" will work. There was a cash shop in Guild Wars--they sold character slots, weapon skins, costumes, etc. They don't sell things that will buy any player a win over a more skilled player. The shop will be in place for the entire duration of Guild Wars 2's existence--get over it. If you can't do that, then refrain from playing the game. Sorry, but $60 from each player isn't much at all. That's 4 months of a $14.99 sub fee, and most of those games require you to buy a $30 box with it. ArenaNet is a business and the soul reason of a business's existence is to make money. There will never be a non-profit game developer.

Originally posted by DanitaKusor

It's funny that often people who complain about a cash shop selling cosmetic items are the same people who think nothing of paying to faction/server change in wow to join a more progressed guild or to gain some advantage in PvP.

Well said ...or perhaps the only reason an individual would make 100+ negative post about a cash shop they know nothing about might just be the fear of loosing the ties between gold buyer/gold seller ?

So...let me get this straight? You want me to riot against a ArenaNet for...well...being a business? Last I checked, ArenaNet ran a business, not a charity. They could have made the cash shop a lot worse and offered weapons/armor you can't get anywhere else. 

Also let me get this straight...you are complaining about other people spending their money to purchase gold from other players in the game? I think the concept of spending money for gold is a natural deterrant for abuse of the system. Most sane people would realize the absurdity of spending real money just to get a couple pixels to get a couple pixels. But hey, it's their money, more power to them! Who are you or I to tell these people that what they are doing is wrong? It's their game as much as it is yours. If they decide to purchase gems to trade for gold to purchase that thing from the auction house, why are you trying to stop them? Again, it's their money! 

At least they aren't preventing you from progressing unless you spend money. 

Originally posted by Betakodo

We keep hearing about how feedback from the beta weekend will determine what's put in the game and release, so on the feedback forms this weekend, be sure to put negative feedback in every form regarding gems and the cash shop. Of course, go ahead and look at all the crap that gold can buy you. The most expensive I believe will be the commander position for WvW and PvE along with prestiege.

Down with legalized cheating and unfairness! Down with cash shop in a $60 game!

Remember, gold buying is illegal in other online games for a reason. Gamers, rise up like we did in Operation Rainfall! Except this time against companies trying to squeeze more cash out of us! Enough with on the disc DLC and cash shops in non F2P games. It's time we as gamers take a stand! Arenanet needs to fight the gold farmers instead of becoming the gold farmers themselves to profit. They haven't fought the farmers yet and yet they implement legalized RMT? Backwards.

Kudos to the heroes who reported Capcom for having on disc DLC to the better business bureau. You can be a hero too! Complain about gems and the cash shop in every feedback form you get, and on the official beta forums.

Another great story!

Tell it to readers digest...

Originally posted by boikymar

Ok, clearly you're one of the many people who don't understand how the GW2 "cash shop" will work. There was a cash shop in Guild Wars--they sold character slots, weapon skins, costumes, etc. They don't sell things that will buy any player a win over a more skilled player. The shop will be in place for the entire duration of Guild Wars 2's existence--get over it. If you can't do that, then refrain from playing the game. Sorry, but $60 from each player isn't much at all. That's 4 months of a $14.99 sub fee, and most of those games require you to buy a $30 box with it. ArenaNet is a business and the soul reason of a business's existence is to make money. There will never be a non-profit game developer.

Yep, I'm ashamed, I used the cash shop in GW1 to buy Char slots & storage space & some costumes.

I then managed to beat several high geared players in PvP and made a fortune........

If only lol. Anets cash shop was all about convenience, not advantage - just as it SHOULD be imho.

Originally posted by Betakodo

We keep hearing about how feedback from the beta weekend will determine what's put in the game and release, so on the feedback forms this weekend, be sure to put negative feedback in every form regarding gems and the cash shop. Of course, go ahead and look at all the crap that gold can buy you. The most expensive I believe will be the commander position for WvW and PvE along with prestiege.

Down with legalized cheating and unfairness! Down with cash shop in a $60 game!

Remember, gold buying is illegal in other online games for a reason. Gamers, rise up like we did in Operation Rainfall! Except this time against companies trying to squeeze more cash out of us! Enough with on the disc DLC and cash shops in non F2P games. It's time we as gamers take a stand! Arenanet needs to fight the gold farmers instead of becoming the gold farmers themselves to profit. They haven't fought the farmers yet and yet they implement legalized RMT? Backwards.

Kudos to the heroes who reported Capcom for having on disc DLC to the better business bureau. You can be a hero too! Complain about gems and the cash shop in every feedback form you get, and on the official beta forums.

So... you dont want to support the company thats allowing you to play their game without a sub fee?  Stay out of the cash shop if you not interested, but leave it for everyone else who might find its items useful.

Dont be cheap.

Originally posted by boikymar

 There was a cash shop in Guild Wars--they sold character slots, weapon skins, costumes, etc.

I find it weird that people almost always omit Skill packs when they bring this up. I know they won't be in GW2, but that doesn't make it any less questionable why you make no mention of that in reference to GW1 here.

Originally posted by Distopia

Originally posted by boikymar

 There was a cash shop in Guild Wars--they sold character slots, weapon skins, costumes, etc.

I find it weird that people almost always omit Skill packs when they bring this up. I know they won't be in GW2, but that doesn't make it any less questionable why you make no mention of that in reference to GW1 here.

Whilst you COULD buy the packs - you could also go out IN GAME and earn them without too much difficulty.

So again, a convenience - not a pay to win scenario.

Originally posted by frisp

Originally posted by Distopia

 

I find it weird that people almost always omit Skill packs when they bring this up. I know they won't be in GW2, but that doesn't make it any less questionable why you make no mention of that in reference to GW1 here.

Whilst you COULD buy the packs - you could also go out IN GAME and earn them without too much difficulty.

 

So again, a convenience - not a pay to win scenario.

Whatever you want to call it is beside the point, I'm not saying it's pay to win, but GW1's shop was hardly cosmetic only as you guys were alluding to with your sarcastic humor.

If I love the game, I'll spent money.  If I don't, I won't.

That is the beauty of thier payment plan.  So much more freedom than a sub. Expecially now that a lot of sub games also have cash shops.