PoE? good lord, thats a stretch comparing it to D3. Some crappy knockoff of diablo made by some guys in their basement. It wont even see light of day unless you donate money.

Originally posted by wrightstuf

PoE? good lord, thats a stretch comparing it to D3. Some crappy knockoff of diablo made by some guys in their basement. It wont even see light of day unless you donate money.

It's a stretch because PoE is a better successor to Diablo than D3 is.

It's also free.

Originally posted by Zekiah

Originally posted by wrightstuf

PoE? good lord, thats a stretch comparing it to D3. Some crappy knockoff of diablo made by some guys in their basement. It wont even see light of day unless you donate money.

It's a stretch because PoE is a better successor to Diablo than D3 is.

It's also free.

lol, its free for a reason. no one in their right mind would pay for that rubbish. if you think it will even be 1% the success of D3, you are dreaming

Originally posted by wrightstuf

Originally posted by Zekiah

Originally posted by wrightstuf

PoE? good lord, thats a stretch comparing it to D3. Some crappy knockoff of diablo made by some guys in their basement. It wont even see light of day unless you donate money.

It's a stretch because PoE is a better successor to Diablo than D3 is.

It's also free.

lol, its free for a reason. no one in their right mind would pay for that rubbish. if you think it will even be 1% the success of D3, you are dreaming

I'd pay for it over D3 any day. D3 will certainly have the numbers but it's not worthy to carry the Diablo title.

WoWablo perhaps, but not Diablo.

Originally posted by Zekiah

Originally posted by wrightstuf

Originally posted by Zekiah

Originally posted by wrightstuf

PoE? good lord, thats a stretch comparing it to D3. Some crappy knockoff of diablo made by some guys in their basement. It wont even see light of day unless you donate money.

It's a stretch because PoE is a better successor to Diablo than D3 is.

It's also free.

lol, its free for a reason. no one in their right mind would pay for that rubbish. if you think it will even be 1% the success of D3, you are dreaming

I'd pay for it over D3 any day. D3 will certainly have the numbers but it's not worthy to carry the Diablo title.

WoWablo perhaps, but not Diablo.

Go for it then. You and the six other people :p

while you're at it, why dont you give them $1000 too for your "elite" status

Originally posted by wrightstuf

Originally posted by Zekiah

Originally posted by wrightstuf

Originally posted by Zekiah

Originally posted by wrightstuf

PoE? good lord, thats a stretch comparing it to D3. Some crappy knockoff of diablo made by some guys in their basement. It wont even see light of day unless you donate money.

It's a stretch because PoE is a better successor to Diablo than D3 is.

It's also free.

lol, its free for a reason. no one in their right mind would pay for that rubbish. if you think it will even be 1% the success of D3, you are dreaming

I'd pay for it over D3 any day. D3 will certainly have the numbers but it's not worthy to carry the Diablo title.

WoWablo perhaps, but not Diablo.

Go for it then. You and the six other people :p

while you're at it, why dont you give them $1000 too for your "elite" status

Thanks, should be a blast. I hope you enjoy your time in Diablo as well.

Hit a 60$ stamp on Path of Exile and people would go "WTF IS THIS MADNESS!?"

PoE is only remotely "good" because it's free.

Stop cutting a slack for games just because they are free.

If a game sucks it sucks, no matter what it costs. Lower price doesn't make a game suck less.

Originally posted by GoldenArrow

Hit a 60$ stamp on Path of Exile and people would go "WTF IS THIS MADNESS!?"

PoE is only remotely "good" because it's free.

Stop cutting a slack for games just because they are free.

If a game sucks it sucks, no matter what it costs. Lower price doesn't make a game suck less.

I've played both and it's D3 that should be free. PoE is a better game, sadly.

Originally posted by wrightstuf

PoE? good lord, thats a stretch comparing it to D3. Some crappy knockoff of diablo made by some guys in their basement. It wont even see light of day unless you donate money.

Wow, what are you smoking exactly? It's already in closed beta, and will be going open in June. The release date probably won't be long after.

I don't know if you're trolling or just genuinely ignorant.

Originally posted by GoldenArrow

Hit a 60$ stamp on Path of Exile and people would go "WTF IS THIS MADNESS!?"

PoE is only remotely "good" because it's free.

Stop cutting a slack for games just because they are free.

If a game sucks it sucks, no matter what it costs. Lower price doesn't make a game suck less.

Ok, what exactly makes it suck? Please, enlighten us.

It funny that this thread POE talks about how it is free but there is no mention about the massive cash shop thats going to fund that game... You think they made it for free??? what are you smoking?

Yes i know they wont make it pay to win as in best gear, but try drakensang and youll find out how annoying it is that you cant enter a dungeon or open a chest without a key bought in their store. How utterly annoying it is that all the little things that makes the experience fluid has a price tag.

Ill take D3's price model over POE's any day. At least i only have to dish out the cash one time and thats it. And no RMA is a choise you take, and i for one choose to ignore it. Im pretty sure ignoring it will make my experience a better one since i play to feel the excitement of finding the loot, not buying it.

try ignoring all the chests and dungeons... shivers..

Originally posted by Torqia

It funny that this thread POE talks about how it is free but there is no mention about the massive cash shop thats going to fund that game... You think they made it for free??? what are you smoking?

Yes i know they wont make it pay to win as in best gear, but try drakensang and youll find out how annoying it is that you cant enter a dungeon or open a chest without a key bought in their store. How utterly annoying it is that all the little things that makes the experience fluid has a price tag.

Ill take D3's price model over POE's any day. At least i only have to dish out the cash one time and thats it. And no RMA is a choise you take, and i for one choose to ignore it. Im pretty sure ignoring it will make my experience a better one since i play to feel the excitement of finding the loot, not buying it.

try ignoring all the chests and dungeons... shivers..

From what I understand, most of the items in PoE's cash shop will be cosmetic and storage type stuff. The company themselves have already stated their dislike for P2W, and as far as I can see, have no intention on restricting content either. Here is a list of what they say will be available in Open beta (and most likely when it hits live) - 

Public stash tabs (viewable to other players for trade purposes)
Cosmetic pets
Alternate skill effects
Special animations (for example, taunts or PvP victory animations)
Special paid leagues (with custom game rules)
Guild storage
Alternate item skins and visual effects
Special cosmetic item properties such as “extra gore”
Item dyes

As for the other game you mentioned, I don't know anything about it, and I don't really see the point in referencing it here.

Originally posted by alacres

Originally posted by Torqia

It funny that this thread POE talks about how it is free but there is no mention about the massive cash shop thats going to fund that game... You think they made it for free??? what are you smoking?

Yes i know they wont make it pay to win as in best gear, but try drakensang and youll find out how annoying it is that you cant enter a dungeon or open a chest without a key bought in their store. How utterly annoying it is that all the little things that makes the experience fluid has a price tag.

Ill take D3's price model over POE's any day. At least i only have to dish out the cash one time and thats it. And no RMA is a choise you take, and i for one choose to ignore it. Im pretty sure ignoring it will make my experience a better one since i play to feel the excitement of finding the loot, not buying it.

try ignoring all the chests and dungeons... shivers..

 

 

From what I understand, most of the items in PoE's cash shop will be cosmetic and storage type stuff. The Devs themselves have already stated their dislike for P2W, and as far as I can see, have no intention on restricting content either. Here is a list of what they say will be available in Open beta (and most likely when it hits live) - 

Public stash tabs (viewable to other players for trade purposes)
Cosmetic pets
Alternate skill effects
Special animations (for example, taunts or PvP victory animations)
Special paid leagues (with custom game rules)
Guild storage
Alternate item skins and visual effects
Special cosmetic item properties such as “extra gore”
Item dyes

As for the other game you mentioned, I don't know anything about it, and I don't really see the point in referencing it here.

Originally posted by alacres

Originally posted by alacres

Originally posted by Torqia

It funny that this thread POE talks about how it is free but there is no mention about the massive cash shop thats going to fund that game... You think they made it for free??? what are you smoking?

Yes i know they wont make it pay to win as in best gear, but try drakensang and youll find out how annoying it is that you cant enter a dungeon or open a chest without a key bought in their store. How utterly annoying it is that all the little things that makes the experience fluid has a price tag.

Ill take D3's price model over POE's any day. At least i only have to dish out the cash one time and thats it. And no RMA is a choise you take, and i for one choose to ignore it. Im pretty sure ignoring it will make my experience a better one since i play to feel the excitement of finding the loot, not buying it.

try ignoring all the chests and dungeons... shivers..

 

 

 

From what I understand, most of the items in PoE's cash shop will be cosmetic and storage type stuff. The Devs themselves have already stated their dislike for P2W, and as far as I can see, have no intention on restricting content either. Here is a list of what they say will be available in Open beta (and most likely when it hits live) - 

Public stash tabs (viewable to other players for trade purposes)
Cosmetic pets
Alternate skill effects
Special animations (for example, taunts or PvP victory animations)
Special paid leagues (with custom game rules)
Guild storage
Alternate item skins and visual effects
Special cosmetic item properties such as “extra gore”
Item dyes

As for the other game you mentioned, I don't know anything about it, and I don't really see the point in referencing it here.

Your points are valid and yes it is perhaps farfetched to bring Drakensang into the bowl although its has alot more in common with POE than D3 has in my book..

What im trying to say is just that P2W or not.. I simpley cant stand that things that should be in game like the leangthy list you just made costs money on the side and by my definition isnt the same as calling a game free... Storage shouldnt cost money... The game should.

Originally posted by Torqia

Originally posted by alacres

Originally posted by alacres

Originally posted by Torqia

It funny that this thread POE talks about how it is free but there is no mention about the massive cash shop thats going to fund that game... You think they made it for free??? what are you smoking?

Yes i know they wont make it pay to win as in best gear, but try drakensang and youll find out how annoying it is that you cant enter a dungeon or open a chest without a key bought in their store. How utterly annoying it is that all the little things that makes the experience fluid has a price tag.

Ill take D3's price model over POE's any day. At least i only have to dish out the cash one time and thats it. And no RMA is a choise you take, and i for one choose to ignore it. Im pretty sure ignoring it will make my experience a better one since i play to feel the excitement of finding the loot, not buying it.

try ignoring all the chests and dungeons... shivers..

 

 

 

From what I understand, most of the items in PoE's cash shop will be cosmetic and storage type stuff. The Devs themselves have already stated their dislike for P2W, and as far as I can see, have no intention on restricting content either. Here is a list of what they say will be available in Open beta (and most likely when it hits live) - 

Public stash tabs (viewable to other players for trade purposes)
Cosmetic pets
Alternate skill effects
Special animations (for example, taunts or PvP victory animations)
Special paid leagues (with custom game rules)
Guild storage
Alternate item skins and visual effects
Special cosmetic item properties such as “extra gore”
Item dyes

As for the other game you mentioned, I don't know anything about it, and I don't really see the point in referencing it here.

Your points are valid and yes it is perhaps farfetched to bring Drakensang into the bowl although its has alot more in common with POE than D3 has in my book..

What im trying to say is just that P2W or not.. I simpley cant stand that things that should be in game like the leangthy list you just made costs money on the side and by my definition isnt the same as calling a game free... Storage shouldnt cost money... The game should.

Well, I'm not personally a fan of cash shop games either, but I understand that they need to make money somehow. For me, nothing they're planning to offer in the shop is game breaking, so I don't mind it. Besides, if you don't mind forking over 15 a month like you would with a p2p game, you'd still be able to get most of what would even be considered "essential" like extra space and whatnot.

Overall, when it comes to things that are truly important to me (like customization and art style) PoE gets my vote, so I can handle the negatives. If I need to pay a little to get the more "essential" addons, while at the same time helping to support a bold indie developer in this market of giants, in order to play an interesting game, I'm cool with that too. 

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Originally posted by Torqia

Ill take D3's price model over POE's any day.

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Originally posted by Herodes

 

Originally posted by Torqia

Ill take D3's price model over POE's any day.

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Really?
You would pay 60 bucks in advance for a game with limited levels before you pay nothing for a game with limited content currently? Then pay another 40 bucks for Diablo 3: The Burning Crusade?

 

Absolutely... Call me old fashion but i like to buy a game and be done with it.... hate feeling compelled to keep paying for content and every other thing they imagine...

Absolutely hate the way DLC's have evolved too.. gives me the saame feeling. 

Why should i pay for stuff that should be an integrated part of the game... let me just buy the damn game.

PoE may have a better skill tree but the combat is boring as fuck. I played the beta for 10 minutes and wanted to kill myself due to the sheer boredom... Diablo 3 on the other hand, was pretty fun and engaging. 

1) If you like PoE's graphics/art style to D3's I'm going to have to call you crazy. It's a pretty simple issue of D3 has a massive budget and a lot more people working on it, of course it is going to look better. That being said, PoE is incredible for an indie developer. I certainly couldn't come close to that level of graphic detail even with 50 of my friends working for me. Mad props to Grinding Gear Games.

2) What the PoE fanboys fail to realize is that I prefer playing the game to playing a skill calculator for the game I am supposed to be playing. If you like min/maxxing and spending inordinate amounts of time figuring out what exactly you are going to do with all of the points given to you, go for it.*** I feel it is far more intuitive and beneficial to the player to do what D3 has done. That being said, I do think PoE will result in more options at the price of spending more time bs'ing with it outside of the game. You can call me a 13 year old for liking D3 but when I am not playing the game I don't want to spend every waking moment thinking about it. I believe that makes you the immature one for letting a game take up so much of your time.

When talking about the sockets on items for PoE, I can only sort of have a conversation about it because I admittidly know little about it. But IF you lose the item you have socketed in when you decide to upgrade your weapon, that would be THE WORST SYSTEM EVER DESIGNED. If you do not, then you revert back to the "holding baby's hand" model that so many of the PoEers where complaining about with D3. Sort of a catch 22 for the developers. :/

(How do I justify sitting at the computer on a Wednesday reading a forum post about a game? I'm having a cup of coffee before class lol)

3) There was a noticeable lack of this fact throughout this thread (that does not mean it wasn't mentioned at all though); D3 and the Diablo series in general thrive on the itemization. D3 doesn't need a passive stat tree to have a good passive stat system, it will happen naturally trying to beat each of the more increasingly difficult modes and picking up awesome items each of which changes your characters appearance quite a bit.

4) Which brings up another good point. I read somewhere that someone complained that the open beta was "too easy." Dude it's the first quest chain on the easiest act at the easiest difficulty setting. No kidding it's going to be "lol I just took on 50 mobs without dying." Try that with a hardcore character on the "inferno" setting or whatever they are calling it now-days.

5) Each game does it's own thing, and I think each game does it's own thing well. This, however, does not give anyone the right to be a fanboy asshat. PoE is for the guy that likes to devot every waking hour to making his character unique and HOPEFULLY better than the cookie cutter build. D3 is for the guy that just wants to play the damn game and be able to change the way he plays it on a whim. Is one better than the other? IN YOUR OPINION IT IS. But one cannot be factually better than the other without and OBJECTIVE system in place to determine that which of course no one in this thread will ever agree to. So, essentially, the entire purpose of this thread is moot.

And to think I read through this entire thread and had to comment on it. I can't wait for some PoE dickwad to read the first negative thing I said about it and flame me without reading through the entire post. He'll miss the fact that I gave it a bit of credit, but said it isn't for me. Then I'll have proof that he doesn't read critically, essentially making him a flamer. :)

***edit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttm4eSQ73w0&feature=relmfu

That is the perfect example of what I am talking about. It takes this guy almost 15minutes to explain his build and he just haphazzardly threw it together. Imagine the amount of time you'd spend getting a proper build togethere when instead you could be playing the darn game. Sheesh. lol

Although I could see myself playing PoE if the D3 community rejects it for the long term, I would definitely be one of those cookie cutter types simply because I have no desire to spend so much time getting a character build for a friggin' game. lol

Not sure if a double-post is against the rules. I guess I'll find out. lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuKvxab1kBk&feature=relmfu

This is an AWESOME video explaining why D3 doesn't use attribute points for it's customization. It boils down to stopping cookie cutter bulds if you don't want to watch the video. Still that is an oversimplification.