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  Kehdar

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4/24/12 9:26:58 AM#141
Originally posted by N1njaPwnStar

 

teh game is hardcore suck.

cant wait to test out GW2 and see what it has to offer :P

 

RIP-Ultima Online.

 

God i think this is the most annoying post i ever seen in this board. Is so wrong and on so many levels...

"teh game is hardcore suck." 1 i'm not even sure if i know what you mean 2 "this game suck" is against the rules of the forum

"cant wait to test out GW2 and see what it has to offer :P" Good there is an entire forum to express your joy, and it's not this one.

"RIP-Ultima Online." OMG i can't even comment on such a blasphemy.

  Arkinia

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4/24/12 9:28:30 AM#142
Originally posted by Kehdar
Originally posted by N1njaPwnStar

 

teh game is hardcore suck.

cant wait to test out GW2 and see what it has to offer :P

 

RIP-Ultima Online.

 

God i think this is the most annoying post i ever seen in this board. Is so wrong and on so many levels...

"teh game is hardcore suck." 1 i'm not even sure if i know what you mean 2 "this game suck" is against the rules of the forum

"cant wait to test out GW2 and see what it has to offer :P" Good there is an entire forum to express your joy, and it's not this one.

"RIP-Ultima Online." OMG i can't even comment on such a blasphemy.

it means he won't be getting his allowance this week.

  Kyleran

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4/24/12 9:31:27 AM#143
Originally posted by GoldenArrow

I wonder when people actually realize that Tera is a PvE game.

 

Someone forgot to send a memo to the folks who are slaughtering each other over on the PVP servers.

But I get what your saying, doesn't seem to be a lot of thought behind it right now, at least in the terms of providing some risks/rewards (or a cause if you will) to fight for.

 

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  Copenhagen

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4/24/12 9:58:05 AM#144

it means he won't be getting his allowance this week.

Haha!   Probably so...probably so.

  User Deleted
4/24/12 10:08:09 AM#145
Originally posted by Teekay

Tried the beta over the weekend. It played pretty much like every other FTP korean mmo i've ever tried. The aiming thing for combat was interesting, but ultimately it boils down to the same as those other games. Kill 10 of  X, again, and again, and again. Some people don't seem to have issue with the grind so it's probably not that.

But why will it fail?

Did you see the Ilum posts in swtor and what a shitstorm that turned out to be?. Bioware then basically said, Ok Ilum didn't work, so we're going to add in a new battleground. Thats pvp sorted.

Open pvp with no objectives never work.

Just fighting for the sake of fighting an endgame will not make.

Do you all remember wow vanilla with tauren mill figting? HUge fights, great fun for the first week or so. But when you actually wanted to get something done,  not so fun then. Or daoc mordred servers, how quickly those died out. Shadowbane... RIFT! the list goes on.

 

Also...what's up with the 10 y.o looking girl characters with short skirts, bunny ears and stuff, [mod edit]

 

 

 

 

Hate to quote the OP after 15 pages of trolling and off topic flaming but...

 

 

ilum failed due to its lag.  It was unplayable for most.  It was the only interesting part of SWTOR pvp.  Adding a new warzone wasnt pvp sorted...it was pvp failed.  People got sick of queueing for warzones over and over again. The only interesting pvp was huttball since it was CTF but with passing...people hated it because it required thoght and teamwork and they would lose the match when just farming kills.

If people want pvp farming in fair matches with no pve grinding or levels i just dont understand why people dont play FPS/TPS games.  Its everything people like this want, instead of saying this mmorpg fails because it does FPS/TPS wrong is a fail on your part.  Your doing mmorpg wrong.

 

This game may or may not fail, an my definition of failing is shutting now, while i understand most claim fail when the game has less than 15min subs.

 

My guess is that this game is "suspiciously" like L3 will be.  L3 will have a larger following, most will play that game over this when it comes out.  This is run by a upstart, which means theres a higher chance of them going BK and shutting down...most likely what will happen is a sellout to a F2P company. 

 

I however do like the closed minded approach to the theory that anything other than battlegound pvp is fail.  Its interesting.  Someone here screaming for more of the same.  Again, i think you should pick up a good FPS.  Theres no monthly sub, no boring pve to get in the way of your endgame pvp queues and it does so in a fair enviroment...rather than flaming upstart mmorpgs for trying something that isnt what you saw in wow.

  Teekay

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Joined: 9/14/10
Posts: 99

 
OP  4/24/12 10:55:54 AM#146

Wow, this post is still going...

Ok, I did not say that battlegrounds were the way to go. I see NO mention of that in my post, what i referred to was Bioware believing that just adding another shitty bg would fix pvp in swtor instead of workin on Ilum.

Up until a year ago i was on/off playing daoc, and not a single pvp system compares to it, not even close. That's what i'm aiming at when I say open pvp with a purpose. That was in from day 1.

When a game released with plans for structured pvp 'sometime in the future' i'm pretty damned dubious, because it usually means a loooong way away (if ever).

Every single time i've put the statement to a games forum that pvp with no purpose is just a pointless grind, it's the horrible carrot on a stick model which mmos desperately need to get away from. Tera is like the ultimate carrot on a stick game for both pve and pvp.

Also each time i've said it I always see 'i just pvp to enjoy it!!' ,and each time that game has bombed. (HI2U Rift) .  Even FPS games realised this.

  raystantz

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4/24/12 11:27:48 AM#147

I've been looking for an mmo for over a year or more.. 

I've tried everything. I've posted numerous times on game hunts. TERA has me sucked in. I played 2 characters up to level 20 during beta.. I loved it.. there's a few things I would adjust..

campfire buff times need to be faster

and maybe give some more reason for the world pvp (drop gold/items/tokens?)

and of course fix the chat bug.. but other than that, they've made a really nice game that will keep me from ever having to play WoW ever again. 

The quests aren't anything new, but I haven't felt bored by them due to the combat system being what it is.

The idea of an mmo is to disguise those mundane boring tasks as something else.. thats what the combat system does. 

Damn those pigs are hard to kill..

 

Will it be the next coming of WoW? No... and I don't want it to be.. but I think it appeals to a large enough of a player base to sustain for a while. I'm really hard to please and its kept me entertained. GVG is one of the greatest features ever. I haven't even thought about GW2.

  rexzshadow

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4/24/12 11:31:37 AM#148
Originally posted by Kyleran
Originally posted by GoldenArrow

I wonder when people actually realize that Tera is a PvE game.

 

Someone forgot to send a memo to the folks who are slaughtering each other over on the PVP servers.

But I get what your saying, doesn't seem to be a lot of thought behind it right now, at least in the terms of providing some risks/rewards (or a cause if you will) to fight for.

 

I wonder when people will actually PvP before making those claims.

Just because there is no "reward" doesn't mean game isn't based on PvP. If you bother to pvp at all you notice how increbility balanced all the classes are (beside sorcs coz they missing ALL their skills right now) The combat shines so well in pvp, and i don't think there is many games out there where a healer can kill a tank (on equal lvl and gear) based on pure skills.

  dschle

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Joined: 1/29/08
Posts: 25

4/24/12 11:47:07 AM#149
Originally posted by Celusios

TERA won't fail i'm pretty sure, in a sense of closing. I give it a couple months (even being a pre-order user) before it becomes a F2P cashshop game. Also please tell me you're not one of these GW2 fan boy's who thinks thats the revoultion and next era of best games, because it's definitely not. 

 

TERA is pretty fun in the sense of something to play until the next thing comes out. I pre-ordered it as it's the only game of it's kind currently coming out with the free aim system and dodging. Again, dont you turds say GW2 as the dodge is very limited and you cannot be nearly as agile as you can in TERA.

 

Really? This is what gives people who are fans of a game a bad rep. Right away the OP says nothing about Guild Wars 2, yet you have to bring it up still, and insult people who are excited for that game. Saw it in your first post, you don't like Guild Wars 2 as much as the OP doesn't like Tera, but come on, calling people "turds"? That just brings down a group of people due to an idiotic statement.

  teakbois

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Posts: 2190

4/24/12 12:20:24 PM#150
Originally posted by Deron_Barak
What I don't understand is the idea that because I don't like something that means no one else will. Out of hundreds of thousands of people that will play an MMO, all of whom could be looking for different experiences, can i really say my opinion represents all of them? Sure I can say it but it doesn't really make sense.

 

I dont think anyone is saying noone else will, I think people are saying it will have limited appeal.

 

I see lots of comments like 'I havent had this much fun since Lineage 2'.  If this games greatest appeal is to fins of western flops like L2, well there is one sign that it wont do so well.

 

While most people are looking to big improvements in  things such as boring quest hubs, endgame gear grinds, interesting character customization, and choice in general, TERA's big difference is an 'action' combat system, which is something that isnt really in big demand to the general western MMORPG audience (who is a lot older than the eastern one)

 

TERA may be a good game at what it does, but what it does isnt what most MMORPG players in the west are looking for.

  demongoat

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Joined: 5/20/06
Posts: 68

4/24/12 12:20:56 PM#151

i managed to get to 16 before the beta end, due to trying out the other classes.

i found the game quite fun, but it is harder for me these days to commit 50-60 bucks to a game, plus sub.  i don't see myself buying this one for a while.

i liked some of the classes, sorc, zerk, mystic.  rather fun and refreshing takes on the classes and the fights felt rather nice after the static feeling of most other games, though i wish the combat was more like victious, at least in how much movement you had.   it just didn't seem as active combat as the hype sugested.

oh well though, it still was quite fun, and the combat was pretty smooth once you figured out how to dodge/bock.  it was nice having to pay attention to the fight, to get a good advantage.

if i could afford it i would play it, i really did have fun.  i loved the npcs in boss fights, it made it feel more alive.  playing the mystic at the start, you fight the bam and can heal the npcs fighting it now that was pretty nifty

if i do get the game, i will be glad of one thing, all the bloody gw2 fanboys will be gone, and maybe the stupidity in area chat will die down a bit.  i don't know how many people i blocked so i didn't have to read about how tera sucked and gw2 was the second coming of jesus.  oh and the whining about the lolis of course.

yeah yeah, i'm not a big fan either but they are in the game, deal with it.

 

 

  Laromuss

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4/24/12 12:30:48 PM#152
Originally posted by Teekay

Tried the beta over the weekend. It played pretty much like every other FTP korean mmo i've ever tried. The aiming thing for combat was interesting, but ultimately it boils down to the same as those other games. Kill 10 of  X, again, and again, and again. Some people don't seem to have issue with the grind so it's probably not that.

But why will it fail?

Did you see the Ilum posts in swtor and what a shitstorm that turned out to be?. Bioware then basically said, Ok Ilum didn't work, so we're going to add in a new battleground. Thats pvp sorted.

Open pvp with no objectives never work.

Just fighting for the sake of fighting an endgame will not make.

Do you all remember wow vanilla with tauren mill figting? HUge fights, great fun for the first week or so. But when you actually wanted to get something done,  not so fun then. Or daoc mordred servers, how quickly those died out. Shadowbane... RIFT! the list goes on.

 

Also...what's up with the 10 y.o looking girl characters with short skirts, bunny ears and stuff, [mod edit]

 

 

 

 

Great story! 

 

Tell it to readers digest...

  tgoodspe

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4/24/12 12:33:39 PM#153
Originally posted by kanezfan

I predict that this game will have 200k box sells at most. Same old game we've been playing for 10+ years. Only difference is combat. F2P within 6 months.

Ok since you're one of the million trolls under a different name. Please explain to me in detail how you've reached a conclusion that can be ultimately summed up in; "This game will crash and burn."

  Deron_Barak

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4/24/12 1:07:03 PM#154
@Teakbois

I see a lot of threads and posts assuming the writer knows the future, this thread is a good example. There is a huge difference between "It wasn't for me" and "it will fail because of the reason I don't like it". It assumes one person knows the minds of everyone else. It comes across too self important for my taste.

In regards to what people want in the west. I guess we'll find out fairly soon. I personally was waiting for a game to improve what was there and bring back some sense of danger and grouping. I could point to a few titles I like and tell you what I would change to stay. TERA offers the most from my "list". I just want to play a good solid game.

Just not worth my time anymore.

  spikers14

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4/24/12 1:56:02 PM#155

The OP is correct because everything will eventually fail and die. Everything. Even Chuck Norris.

The question is are you going to enjoy yourself until then or just gripe on some forums? For $50, I will probably be riding TERA.

 

  Laughing-man

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I thought what I'd do is I'd pretend I was one of those Deaf-mutes.

4/24/12 1:59:50 PM#156
Originally posted by Teekay

Open pvp with no objectives never work.

Just fighting for the sake of fighting an endgame will not make.

Lemme stop you right there, this statement is 100% wrong...

Did you run around PKing people?  Then you have no idea how fun it can be.  Did you organize a group to confront a group of PKs who were forcing people to pay a toll to cross their bridge? 

My guild is a Merc guild, we are hired to protect you from the mean nasty red guys.

OR we could be hired to protect the mean nasty red guys.

Open PVP without objectives means YOU MAKE YOUR OWN OBJECTIVES!  

Did no one play UO?

Did no one watch .hack? 

These things used to be MMO holy grails....

  Kehdar

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Joined: 2/28/08
Posts: 445

4/24/12 2:03:29 PM#157
Originally posted by spikers14

The OP is correct because everything will eventually fail and die. Everything. Even Chuck Norris.

The question is are you going to enjoy yourself until then or just gripe on some forums? For $50, I will probably be riding TERA.

 

LIES!!!

the day Chuck Norris will die, existence itself will cease therefore you will be unable to make a distintion between what's alive what's dead.

  dschle

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Joined: 1/29/08
Posts: 25

4/24/12 2:50:10 PM#158
Originally posted by Kehdar
Originally posted by spikers14

The OP is correct because everything will eventually fail and die. Everything. Even Chuck Norris.

The question is are you going to enjoy yourself until then or just gripe on some forums? For $50, I will probably be riding TERA.

 

LIES!!!

the day Chuck Norris will die, existence itself will cease therefore you will be unable to make a distintion between what's alive what's dead.

The Cake is a lie.

  TwystedWiz

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Posts: 172

4/24/12 2:58:37 PM#159

Tried it, not compelling enough to make me want to see any more.

 

It will probably stay in biz for a while, floundering around like so many other unremarkable MMO's these days.  It will go F2P when box sales die.  That's pretty much the current model for sucky MMO's.  Sell as many boxes as you can then generate revenue via a cash shop to keep the doors open when your paid subs fall off.

  helthros

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Joined: 10/24/09
Posts: 1477

4/25/12 12:00:22 AM#160
Originally posted by teakbois
Originally posted by Deron_Barak
What I don't understand is the idea that because I don't like something that means no one else will. Out of hundreds of thousands of people that will play an MMO, all of whom could be looking for different experiences, can i really say my opinion represents all of them? Sure I can say it but it doesn't really make sense.

 

I dont think anyone is saying noone else will, I think people are saying it will have limited appeal.

 

I see lots of comments like 'I havent had this much fun since Lineage 2'.  If this games greatest appeal is to fins of western flops like L2, well there is one sign that it wont do so well.

 

While most people are looking to big improvements in  things such as boring quest hubs, endgame gear grinds, interesting character customization, and choice in general, TERA's big difference is an 'action' combat system, which is something that isnt really in big demand to the general western MMORPG audience (who is a lot older than the eastern one)

 

TERA may be a good game at what it does, but what it does isnt what most MMORPG players in the west are looking for.

 

You might not be as in-tune with what the general western MMORPG audience is seeking if you don't acknowledge the desire to break away from tab 1-2-3-1-2-1-2-3-4 gameplay.

 

For me, a veteran MMO'er with roots in MUDs, the traditional themepark game with improved combat is perfect for me. This whole idea that everything is garbage unless it's "innovative" is so played out. EVE is almost completely innovative, yet I'm sure 99% of the people bitching about lack of innovation haven't even tried it.

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