Originally posted by wrightstuf

What Anet, and believe me, all other game devs are watching this close, have discovered is that they can charge full price for a game with no release date. What's next? Taking pre purchases along with the announcement that a new title is in development with beta maybe years away?

That is already happening with crowd source funding a la Kickstarter.

Originally posted by evolver1972

Believe it or not, you signed up to recieve emails from ArenaNet. 

I don't know about you but I signed up for Beta, not a newsletter. Big difference. Not to be snarky, I'm just sayin is all..

Originally posted by Distopia

Originally posted by evolver1972

Believe it or not, you signed up to recieve emails from ArenaNet. 

I don't know about you but I signed up for Beta, not a newsletter. Big difference. Not to be snarky, I'm just sayin is all..

When you signed up for Beta, you were also signing up to recieve emails from them.  Whenever you give a company your email address, you are telling them it's ok for them to send you emails, including advertisements.

Originally posted by Charlizzard

That is already happening with crowd source funding a la Kickstarter.

 I have no problem with that if it helps fans get games they want to see. Just like I have no problem with those who want to support a company through the act of pre-purchasing. I do have a problem with Beta/sale/marketing tie-ins. It's not a deal breaker by any means for me, but I view it as an ugly practice. Always have.

Originally posted by evolver1972

Originally posted by Distopia

Originally posted by evolver1972

Believe it or not, you signed up to recieve emails from ArenaNet. 

I don't know about you but I signed up for Beta, not a newsletter. Big difference. Not to be snarky, I'm just sayin is all..

When you signed up for Beta, you were also signing up to recieve emails from them.  Whenever you give a company your email address, you are telling them it's ok for them to send you emails, including advertisements.

It seems like most people missed the point of the OP's thread.   He's not angry about receiving an email about the beta, he believes that ANet forcing people to pre-purchase (not pre-order) the game in order to participate in the beta is BS.

Seemed pretty clear to me but apparently the GW2 fanbois are on high alert this week.

Originally posted by evolver1972

 

When you signed up for Beta, you were also signing up to recieve emails from them.  Whenever you give a company your email address, you are telling them it's ok for them to send you emails, including advertisements.

Typically when you sign up there's a checkbox to select if you want to opt into game related news, didn't see that on the beta reg. page.

Originally posted by Distopia

Originally posted by Charlizzard

That is already happening with crowd source funding a la Kickstarter.

 I have no problem with that if it helps fans get games they want to see. Just like I have no problem with those who want to support a company through the act of pre-purchasing. I do have a problem with Beta/sale/marketing tie-ins. It's not a deal breaker by any means for me, but I view it as an ugly practice. Always have.

I agree. GW2 isn't the first company to do it, but it is one of them. Yet consumers seem to be more than willing to pay for both beta access and early access, which just means that the practice will become ever more widespread.

With regard to GW2 specifically, I know what I am buying. But I bet if it were a different game or a product that I was not so familiar with, I'm sure that I'd be upset that the only way that I could see it is if I had to pony up the full amount. In those cases, I'd wait until release and assess it then.

Originally posted by evolver1972

Originally posted by Distopia

Originally posted by evolver1972

Believe it or not, you signed up to recieve emails from ArenaNet. 

I don't know about you but I signed up for Beta, not a newsletter. Big difference. Not to be snarky, I'm just sayin is all..

When you signed up for Beta, you were also signing up to recieve emails from them.  Whenever you give a company your email address, you are telling them it's ok for them to send you emails, including advertisements.

We've all got some great gifts to give you, all you have to do is post a legitimate e-mail address here for us, and we'll be sure to get right back to you with our surprise.

P.S.  Don't be surprised in the interim if you receive a lot of unpleasant stuff from us that you didn't really want.

Originally posted by Mythios11

Seemed pretty clear to me but apparently the GW2 fanbois are on high alert this week.

 Nah, he was baiting. So not like he's innocant in the whole affair. But the fact remains  the e-mail was worded poorly and probably isn't going to be well received by some that signed up for beta.

So while he certainly didn't have the purest of intentions he brings up a good point.

...and yes.  These fanboys are going to get amusing as hell the closer this game gets to launch.

Originally posted by evolver1972

Originally posted by Distopia

Originally posted by just1opinion

 

Dude, I pre-purchased TWO copies and I'm still getting that email.  It's no big deal.  Just ignore it if it bothers you so much.

It's no big deal to you... If something like this is going to determine whether he purchases a game or not, I'd say it is a big deal to him. I'd say more sound advice would be those who have a problem with that, should just ignore this thread. If you don't support a companies practices, that's a perfectly sound reason to not want to support the product they offer.

I would agree with your statement, Distopia, except for one thing:  When you sign up for anything from a company, (newsletter, etc.) most reasonable people realize that puts them on the advertisement list for that company.  So, having signed up for the newsletter, why would you be surprised they sent you an advertisement?  Every company does this without exception so I don't see why it would be surprising to anyone.

EXACTLY.  People will just bitch about anything.

Originally posted by just1opinion

Originally posted by evolver1972

I would agree with your statement, Distopia, except for one thing:  When you sign up for anything from a company, (newsletter, etc.) most reasonable people realize that puts them on the advertisement list for that company.  So, having signed up for the newsletter, why would you be surprised they sent you an advertisement?  Every company does this without exception so I don't see why it would be surprising to anyone.

 

EXACTLY.

 Where are you guys getting this from? I almost always have separate options made that I can choose to get their newsletter, ads for other products, etc. I'm not even really bothered by them myself but saying you're "always automatically" signed up for these things is not even close to being true.

Originally posted by Distopia

Originally posted by evolver1972

 

When you signed up for Beta, you were also signing up to recieve emails from them.  Whenever you give a company your email address, you are telling them it's ok for them to send you emails, including advertisements.

Typically when you sign up there's a checkbox to select if you want to opt into game related news, didn't see that on the beta reg. page.

And you still registered?  The way I see it, if it's so important to you that you don't receive advertisements from a company, don't give them your email address unless you can opt out.

Originally posted by Distopia

Originally posted by SteeJanz

I am sure this has already been covered, but did the OP really just create a post complaining about getting a email from a company that he/she suscribed to. 

 

 

 

 

 

Looks to me like it's the content of that E-mail that bugs him. But don't let that stop you guys from tearing down another persons opinion.

You really should work on your over-sensitivity.  No one was tearing down anyone.  Please list the things in the email that do not fit  the subject matter of a Newletter.  I find your response to this post to be ignorant with assumptions but it at least fits in the context of a forum.

Originally posted by Charlizzard

 

I agree. GW2 isn't the first company to do it, but it is one of them. Yet consumers seem to be more than willing to pay for both beta access and early access, which just means that the practice will become ever more widespread.

With regard to GW2 specifically, I know what I am buying. But I bet if it were a different game or a product that I was not so familiar with, I'm sure that I'd be upset that the only way that I could see it is if I had to pony up the full amount. In those cases, I'd wait until release and assess it then.

This is very true, it's not something I feel benefits us as gamers by any means. It's all about generating income early on which strengthens investor confidence. Which is also tied into the "rush" marketing Bioware did and now Anet have been using to urge those early pre-orders, as you don't want to miss out (like they will actually halt digital sales). I'm sure we'll see most companies pulling that from here on out.

Well, even bumping this thread is kind of marketing act for pre-purchase GW2. ;) *sigh*

Originally posted by Banisco

This is just getting crazy, NO ONE is forcing you to pay for the beta, nor they are cheating people in order to sell more, the beta acces is just a reward to those who trust the company and want to prepurchase the game. Easy as that.

Well Said

Originally posted by SteeJanz

Originally posted by Distopia

Originally posted by SteeJanz

I am sure this has already been covered, but did the OP really just create a post complaining about getting a email from a company that he/she suscribed to. 

 

 

 

 

 

Looks to me like it's the content of that E-mail that bugs him. But don't let that stop you guys from tearing down another persons opinion.

You really should work on your over-sensitivity.  No one was tearing down anyone.  Please list the things in the email that the subject matter of a Newletter.  I find your response to this post on to ignorant with assumptions but it at least fits in the context of a forum.

I was referring to everyone who called the OP a troll, rather than just accept his opinion about that e-mail.

Oh GW2, every thread about you becomes a war.

Originally posted by evolver1972

 

And you still registered?  The way I see it, if it's so important to you that you don't receive advertisements from a company, don't give them your email address unless you can opt out.

Now did I say I had a problem with receiving the email? No, I was just stating what is usual in regard to opt in news.

Originally posted by Wickedjelly

Originally posted by just1opinion

Originally posted by evolver1972

I would agree with your statement, Distopia, except for one thing:  When you sign up for anything from a company, (newsletter, etc.) most reasonable people realize that puts them on the advertisement list for that company.  So, having signed up for the newsletter, why would you be surprised they sent you an advertisement?  Every company does this without exception so I don't see why it would be surprising to anyone.

 

EXACTLY.

 Where are you guys getting this from? I almost always have separate options made that I can choose to get their newsletter, ads for other products, etc. I'm not even really bothered by them myself but saying you're "always automatically" signed up for these things is not even close to being true.

Let's say, for argument's sake, that there wasn't an opt in for more info (and I believe there WAS, actually).....STILL why has he stayed on their info list, because surely there is an opt OUT in the emails he's getting. (That I don't know for sure because I haven't checked them....they don't bother me.)

So opt OUT and have no more reason to complain.  Seems simple to me.