Originally posted by Distopia

Uhgg.. How about we don't start lecturing each-other? WOW killer was my own usage of the word, and it appears by other responses I'm not alone in that usage, the rest is irrelevant, I didn't use it to say that WOW will die, just be beaten.

I'm not saying you are. All I was pointing out was the quote I linked can be used as a direct response to your question.

'so, they won't settle until they are a wow killer' dev: 'nothing can kill wow, but wow'.

Maybe it's just me, but I find that pretty straight forward. As for the validity or weight to that whole argument, who cares. The article doesn't really say much of anything when it comes down to it.

Originally posted by Distopia

So what they want and will not settle for anything other than, is a WOW killer?

wait...wtf? WoW is still alive? Lol, I mean, i would think after all these new games coming out from Rift, SWOTR, TERA, D3, G2, and other games from the past like Aion, and possibly several other games i cant pull from the top of my head would have left WoW somewhere along the side of the road somewhere....in...the north pole..or something :) 

EDIT: actually i just read several more post, and yea everyone kinda has a point, i haven't seen that term be used for such a long time. I seriously don't think WoW is still the number one game out there, i think its kinda divided between  other mmorpgs. 

Originally posted by aesperus

Originally posted by Distopia

Uhgg.. How about we don't start lecturing each-other? WOW killer was my own usage of the word, and it appears by other responses I'm not alone in that usage, the rest is irrelevant, I didn't use it to say that WOW will die, just be beaten.

I'm not saying you are. All I was pointing out was the quote I linked can be used as a direct response to your question.

'so, they won't settle until they are a wow killer' dev: 'nothing can kill wow, but wow'.

Maybe it's just me, but I find that pretty straight forward. As for the validity or weight to that whole argument, who cares. The article doesn't really say much of anything when it comes down to it.

Yeah I'm beyond it myself, like I said to just1 long ago in this thread, it's just a show for the audience (forbes).

Originally posted by adam_nox

you have to kill the king before you can wear the crown.

absolutely.

i reckon they're putting up a good attack.

He never said it ws going to be a WoW killer, he stated he wished (and will) dethrone WoW from the top seat. Just because WoW is #2 doesn't mean it would be dead. @Distopia and whoever else also got confused.

Originally posted by Distopia

Originally posted by just1opinion

Originally posted by Distopia

So what they want and will not settle for anything other than, is a WOW killer?

 

Mike O'Brien said just the opposite of that in a recent interview linked in another thread.  So no, they are not thinking they will be the "WoW Killer."  Only Blizzard can kill WoW.

I was referring to this.

Mike O'brien:

"We were number two to World of Warcraft with Guild Wars, now we want to beat them. We’ll be satisfied when Guild Wars 2 is the most successful MMO"

And how do they consider a non-sub-based game as being number two to the number one Sub based game?

Originally posted by KingJiggly

He never said it ws going to be a WoW killer, he stated he wished (and will) dethrone WoW from the top seat. Just because WoW is #2 doesn't mean it would be dead. @Distopia and whoever else also got confused.

And . . . this.  This is the most concise summation of Mike O'Brien's statement. +1

Originally posted by aesperus

Originally posted by feroshus

Devs can say whatever they want, I'd rather just see it. The whole interview is just a bunch of hot air and it's annoying to some people that's all. Even if it is just to impress Forbes...

This ^.

The article, in it's entirety, comes down to absolutely nothing. It's written to sound good, but doesn't have any sort of point, message, or information involved.

Lemme help you guys out.  Mike wasnt talking to us gamers.  He was talking to prospective investors.

Investors dont want to hear anything other than we are growing and innovating and will continue to do so into the future.  That is precisely what Mike was conveying.  This wasnt your typical Anet blog post and wasnt meant for us to consume it as it was such.

Looking at the viewpoints expressed in this thread.....you can see why.

Originally posted by KingJiggly

He never said it ws going to be a WoW killer, he stated he wished (and will) dethrone WoW from the top seat. Just because WoW is #2 doesn't mean it would be dead. @Distopia and whoever else also got confused.

I've never thought the term WOW killer to actually mean Kill WOW, it's nothing more than a quip, used in reference to the goal of beating WOW, ( at least that's where it started). WOW was the EQ/SWG killer, yet EQ/SWG never died (at the time). I'm more confused that I have to explain what I meant, even after supplying the direct quote (not to mention my posts through the rest of the thread) I was referring to.

Great, I love the confidence he has on the game, all hell shall break loose after this beta, we'll experience for ourselves what GW2 really has to offer.

Originally posted by Kakkzooka

 

And . . . this.  This is the most concise summation of Mike O'Brien's statement. +1

 If anything is a good summation it's that this is just talk ( a show of confidence and corporate level posturing).

Originally posted by xposeidon

Great, I love the confidence he has on the game, all hell shall break loose after this beta, we'll experience for ourselves what GW2 really has to offer.

Originally posted by MMOExposed

Originally posted by Distopia

Originally posted by just1opinion

Originally posted by Distopia

So what they want and will not settle for anything other than, is a WOW killer?

 

Mike O'Brien said just the opposite of that in a recent interview linked in another thread.  So no, they are not thinking they will be the "WoW Killer."  Only Blizzard can kill WoW.

I was referring to this.

Mike O'brien:

"We were number two to World of Warcraft with Guild Wars, now we want to beat them. We’ll be satisfied when Guild Wars 2 is the most successful MMO"

And how do they consider a non-sub-based game as being number two to the number one Sub based game?

 

That's stupid... How can GW be second to World of Warcraft when it's not a MMO? This is my point on why I don't trust Anet's marketing. Because they claimed that GW1 wasn't advertised as a MMORPG, but here they are doing it again and advertising it as a MMO by comparing it to MMO. VERY MISLEADING!!!

Step back a little and think for a second, look at the audience they are talking to. These people cant tell the difference between WoW and GW, to them they are all the same, they just know WoW is the biggest MMO and that GW is a league below it. To entice the readers and future investors they are simplifying it and just calling it an MMO, here we have people that debate the words used to define the gender on a daily basis but out there in a real world i know some people who dont even know what the meaning of the word MMORPG is and they play WoW.

Originally posted by Distopia

Originally posted by KingJiggly

He never said it ws going to be a WoW killer, he stated he wished (and will) dethrone WoW from the top seat. Just because WoW is #2 doesn't mean it would be dead. @Distopia and whoever else also got confused.

I've never thought the term WOW killer to actually mean Kill WOW, it's nothing more than a quip, used in reference to the goal of beating WOW, ( at least that's where it started). WOW was the EQ/SWG killer, yet EQ/SWG never died (at the time). I'm more confused that I have to explain what I meant, even after supplying the direct quote (not to mention my posts through the rest of the thread) I was referring to.

I was simply basing my comment of your first post an several others ofter it. Your name was the only one I could remember while writing it, but it was toward the several people who seem offended that any such idea should arise. Also, I take words literaly, so I am sorry if I got confused on what a "WoW KILLER" is. Of course, I do not think I did, becuase he later specifically mentions GW2 will not kill WoW... so any person who read after should have been able to put two and two together if they thought about it (not to you Distopia).

Originally posted by KingJiggly

 

I was simply basing my comment of your first post an several others ofter it. Your name was the only one I could remember while writing it, but it was toward the several people who seem offended that any such idea should arise. Also, I take words literaly, so I am sorry if I got confused on what a "WoW KILLER" is. Of course, I do not think I did, becuase he later specifically mentions GW2 will not kill WoW... so any person who read after should have been able to put two and two together if they thought about it (not to you Distopia).

I personally got to that point and was done with the article, as it really didn't interest me to begin with, I couldn't care less how successful any game is. My post originally was just a summation of what I had read to that point (I thought it a fairly accurate one as well) I left it to others to make of that what they would, of course it didn't really go as planned lol as they took it somewhere else (something I never meant to say).

Originally posted by Distopia

Originally posted by Tayah

With having no subscription fee, GW2 has the potential to be on par with WoW numbers. I know lots of people that will be playing both. It really is going to come down to the first 3 months, if the game delivers, IMO.

Problem is there's nothing to gauge who is a subscriber and who isn't. An account/box sale doesn't mean the same thing as a subscribed user.

Maybe he thinks they will sell over 10 million boxes?  Ley's hope his confidence in this game is well-founded. Will be win-win for players and Anet.

Originally posted by austriacus

Originally posted by MMOExposed

Originally posted by Distopia

Originally posted by just1opinion

Originally posted by Distopia

So what they want and will not settle for anything other than, is a WOW killer?

 

Mike O'Brien said just the opposite of that in a recent interview linked in another thread.  So no, they are not thinking they will be the "WoW Killer."  Only Blizzard can kill WoW.

I was referring to this.

Mike O'brien:

"We were number two to World of Warcraft with Guild Wars, now we want to beat them. We’ll be satisfied when Guild Wars 2 is the most successful MMO"

And how do they consider a non-sub-based game as being number two to the number one Sub based game?

 

That's stupid... How can GW be second to World of Warcraft when it's not a MMO? This is my point on why I don't trust Anet's marketing. Because they claimed that GW1 wasn't advertised as a MMORPG, but here they are doing it again and advertising it as a MMO by comparing it to MMO. VERY MISLEADING!!!

Step back a little and think for a second, look at the audience they are talking to. These people cant tell the difference between WoW and GW, to them they are all the same, they just know WoW is the biggest MMO and that GW is a league below it. To entice the readers and future investors they are simplifying it and just calling it an MMO, here we have people that debate the words used to define the gender on a daily basis but out there in a real world i know some people who dont even know what the meaning of the word MMORPG is and they play WoW.

Lol...

@ MMO Exposed

Then these commercials must really make you scream!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yCP1phpN3o&feature=fvst 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuvoSw1TiJ8 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQs6EUry4EM 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7udQSHWpL88 

My point is, you market to a specific audience and make your product seem as overly-done awesome as possible. If you cry when you see that, I must feel bad for you when you watch commercials such as those on you TV... FALSE MARKETING KFOIWFN WEF.

Originally posted by ropenice

Originally posted by Distopia

Originally posted by Tayah

With having no subscription fee, GW2 has the potential to be on par with WoW numbers. I know lots of people that will be playing both. It really is going to come down to the first 3 months, if the game delivers, IMO.

Problem is there's nothing to gauge who is a subscriber and who isn't. An account/box sale doesn't mean the same thing as a subscribed user.

Maybe he thinks they will sell over 10 million boxes?  Ley's hope his confidence in this game is well-founded. Will be win-win for players and Anet.

That's how I see it too. Win Win for everyone. If more mmo's become competative with WoW, they all work harder to keep us and we all benefit no matter which game we play

Originally posted by Distopia

Originally posted by KingJiggly

 

I was simply basing my comment of your first post an several others ofter it. Your name was the only one I could remember while writing it, but it was toward the several people who seem offended that any such idea should arise. Also, I take words literaly, so I am sorry if I got confused on what a "WoW KILLER" is. Of course, I do not think I did, becuase he later specifically mentions GW2 will not kill WoW... so any person who read after should have been able to put two and two together if they thought about it (not to you Distopia).

I personally got to that point and was done with the article, as it really didn't interest me to begin with, I couldn't care less how successful any game is. My post originally was just a summation of what I had read to that point (I thought it a fairly accurate one as well) I left it to others to make of that what they would, of course it didn't really go as planned lol as they took it somewhere else (something I never meant to say).

Yeah, becareful with that. People (especially me) will whack you for it. And your "summation" was only of one paragraph... and find it interesting no one has yet mentioned that he said they are working a growing the world, or the new large scale event possiblities they have planned... :/

Originally posted by DeaconX

Originally posted by sk8chalif

Found this interesting Article from Forbes. Dunno if ayones saw it. I will post it anyway,.

 

ArenaNet Founder Mike O'Brien will be Satisfied when guild wars 2 is the most succesful MMo .Period

 

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngaudiosi/2012/04/23/arenanet-founder-mike-obrien-will-be-satisfied-when-guild-wars-2-is-the-most-successful-mmo-period/

 

Laughed so hard.

Dude's got brass ones fer sher. I hope GW2 can do it. If it does, though, I hope the industry learns its lesson. Love what GW2 will be, but I don't want to see clones of it for the next 8 years.