Originally posted by fenistil

Originally posted by Konfess

Originally posted by ShadowVlican

d3 is not an mmo

Battlenet chat is what makes Diablo a MMO.  Massive Multiplayer Online Chat Room, basically an IRC client to launch a Blizzard coop game from.  The chat screen is much smaller now, and is not the default location when leaving D3.  I see this as the number one flaw of D3.

Here is a good story on it Diablo 3′s Chat Channels, Problems and Solutions.

Does not make it an MMO.

It makes it single player / co-op player game with an irc like chat.

 

Seems to me, SWTOR is a single player/co-op game also but yet here it sits in the MMO games list. Go figure.  

*Edit, I realise this is an extreme comparison but I coudn't resist

Originally posted by Torgrim

Seriously, no way I'm buying it with the most important feature out, it already pisses me off they removed world pvp, now they remove arena pvp? LOL

Diablo 3
-Removed potions
-Removed pvp
-Added real money auction houses
-Warcraft cartoony style

 

Have fun.

Yeh I will. I don't care about pvp and i don't see a problem with a RMT AH.

Originally posted by Axehilt

Originally posted by Konfess

BNet chat served as a LFG tool, an Auction House, Ladder Ranking, Achievement bragging, and Duel matchmaking.  It fulfilled all of the Bartle Test  requirements for a MMO.

To my knowledge, the Bartle Test in no way establishes criteria for what makes a game a MMO.

I totally agree with the prior poster that if a slightly weaker chat system is the "biggest flaw" that clearly D3 is going to be a smash hit because most players didn't care about that at all in D2.

The Diablo series is amazingly fun, but clearly the games aren't MMOs because they don't take place in shared persistent locations.

Why waste time trying to pretend Diablo 3's an MMO?  It's more logical to point out that being a MMO is irrelevant to most gamers, who just want a fun game, and that if D3 ends up being a fun game (seems likely) then that's all that matters.

Agreed with you Axehilt.

It does not matter if a game is an mmo or not an mmo. What matter is if player like to spend time playing it or not.

Also agree with you that it is utter nonsense and actually counter productive to force an mmo tag on D3.

I find it odd that some people are trying to do it.

Is Diablo 3 an MMO? No.

Should it be an MMO? No.

Is it confusing there are non-MMO games on a site called mmorpg.com? Yes.

Originally posted by Axxar

Is Diablo 3 an MMO? No.

Should it be an MMO? No.

Is it confusing there are non-MMO games on a site called mmorpg.com? Yes.

/thread

Originally posted by Torgrim

Diablo 3
-Removed potions
-Removed pvp
-Added real money auction houses
-Warcraft cartoony style

I never played D1 and was frankly horrified when I first started playing D2 with all the blood and gore (yes I have a great imagination lol). But if they made D3 cartoony like WoW, that will be really sad.

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Originally posted by sacredcow4

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Originally posted by Axxar
Is Diablo 3 an MMO? No.
Should it be an MMO? No.
Is it confusing there are non-MMO games on a site called mmorpg.com? Yes.

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/thread

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Diablo3 is as much MMO as say World of Tanks. Which btw isnt an MMO. I daresay SWTOR, but I would be flamed (because its just as instanced as Diablo3).

Im a True Diablo3 fanboi so take whatever i say with a grain of salt (or hate...)

You people hating because you cant set your stats points like you could in D2... wait what? So you miss putting all your points in vitality (besides what neeeded for exact items)or your build was broken? haha good one..

You miss having max 3-4 viable spells in a build instead of 6 (That you can even change with runes)? now you lost me completley... (My javazon used 2...)

So that RMA is bad compared to the endless bots spamming every single game you played, about all the items you can buy from there shady websites... and trust me there was so many highrunes in play 3 days after a ladder reset that you knew 85% of the playerbase had been to thoes same shit sites.  Please...

You can hate all you want because you dont like this kind of game but i you were a fan of D2 and see this as a letdown... I cant belive you played D2 recently because you guys look back on that game with rosery distorted memories...

I for one had a blast in open beta this weekend and its probaly because i still play D2 and see the difference clearly, and what an upgrade.

This is my issue with D3

Originally posted by Torqia

Im a True Diablo3 fanboi so take whatever i say with a grain of salt (or hate...)

You people hating because you cant set your stats points like you could in D2... wait what? So you miss putting all your points in vitality (besides what neeeded for exact items)or your build was broken? haha good one..

You miss having max 3-4 viable spells in a build instead of 6 (That you can even change with runes)? now you lost me completley... (My javazon used 2...)

So that RMA is bad compared to the endless bots spamming every single game you played, about all the items you can buy from there shady websites... and trust me there was so many highrunes in play 3 days after a ladder reset that you knew 85% of the playerbase had been to thoes same shit sites.  Please...

You can hate all you want because you dont like this kind of game but i you were a fan of D2 and see this as a letdown... I cant belive you played D2 recently because you guys look back on that game with rosery distorted memories...

I for one had a blast in open beta this weekend and its probaly because i still play D2 and see the difference clearly, and what an upgrade.

Why did Blizzard take out the possibility to skill your character after your own liking?

We all know why cause the player base they target would end up with unplayable characters mindlessly skilling there classes till the point where they just couldn't win a flowerpot anymore.

I can understand that Blizzard felt the need to carebear to them and give them a helping hand after all its a game and we all should be able to enjoy it regardless of the way we play and plan our classes but why wasn't it possible to give us both lets have an autolevel  and a manual level up and all would be happy it certainly shouldn't have been hard to do so so why didn't they do it i wonder?

Your point about the RMA is laughable and its very sad that there actually are ppls who believe in that.

Blizzard doesn't stop the RMT they only ensured to get a cut of it thats all they did and ppls like yourself even fall on there knees thanking them for it.

They could have restricted all trading to an AH so the players could not go to one of the sites pay money and get an item since there would be no way to guarantee that you get the item you payed money for add to that a trade function for pt play (like you can trade whatever drops you got while being in the pt but only to pt members) and suddenly all the RMT businesses would have had a hard time but you know why they didn't do that?? Right cause they don't care about you players all they want was the cut of the RMT business. \

I think thats reason enough to dislike the game i didn't like the art style at all but its just graphics so that wouldn't have stopped me from playing it i also didn't really like the classes felt like i knew (some) them from Dungeon Siege 3 but still not enough reason to not get the game but i even might have been able to ignore the skill part but as soon as the RMA was in the game i knew i could not support something that shady.The RMA is bad for gaming and if it succeeds (and sadly Blizzard does own enough mindless drones) other company's will follow and next year ill have to put my ingame currency on my tax forms as well....

Diablo III is not even an MMORPG,  its a single player hack and slash with rpg elements and multi-player connectivity, 5 players in a game is NOT AN MMO.  So stop calling it one people!!!

Originally posted by nomatics856

Because Diablo 3 is basically doing and is what diablo 2 did and was a online hack and slash where the fun was to down enemy and bosses for loot to trade with others

 

Thats all Diablo 2 was, the small small majority played for the quest and the gameplay, but even then that wasnt diablo 2`s most rewarding feature cause a majority of the people skipped acts and quest entirely just to go to certain bosses, I dont even remember once forming a group for act 3 in its entirety and pretty much act 2.

So I dont see how D3 can fail the diablo franchise when diablo 2 wasnt even all that great itsself. Just addicting.

A few are complaining because they dont like the game for whatever reason, but the majority are hating on the game because its the new "in" thing to do

Originally posted by wrightstuf

A few are complaining because they dont like the game for whatever reason, but the majority are hating on the game because its the new "in" thing to do

You have some trying to claim that in their misguided attempt to try and defend the game.

The reality is .....

it's not because it's not an MMO

It's not that it's made by Blizzard

It's not even that it's a horrible game

It's that it doesn't warrant the $60 price tag, many of the complaints would not exist if the price were lower. Pricing it at $60 made many compare it to other $60 games. D3 doesn't hold it's own well at all in this bracket.

Originally posted by GrayGhost79

Originally posted by wrightstuf

A few are complaining because they dont like the game for whatever reason, but the majority are hating on the game because its the new "in" thing to do

You have some trying to claim that in their misguided attempt to try and defend the game.

The reality is .....

it's not because it's not an MMO

It's not that it's made by Blizzard

It's not even that it's a horrible game

It's that it doesn't warrant the $60 price tag, many of the complaints would not exist if the price were lower. Pricing it at $60 made many compare it to other $60 games. D3 doesn't hold it's own well at all in this bracket.

 

 

Hummm. OK Well EQ2 cost me 20 bucks a month for game content which I pay out every month and most of the content I don't play not to mention the cost of the game and every expansion which is a total of 40+40+40+(7*12*20) Dollars over 7 year span. 60 bucks is nothing.

Originally posted by GrayGhost79

Originally posted by wrightstuf

A few are complaining because they dont like the game for whatever reason, but the majority are hating on the game because its the new "in" thing to do

You have some trying to claim that in their misguided attempt to try and defend the game.

The reality is .....

it's not because it's not an MMO

It's not that it's made by Blizzard

It's not even that it's a horrible game

It's that it doesn't warrant the $60 price tag, many of the complaints would not exist if the price were lower. Pricing it at $60 made many compare it to other $60 games. D3 doesn't hold it's own well at all in this bracket.

 

 

Yet.. millions of people will buy it at that price tag. So what about them? The complaints about price mostly originate from this forum. 

Originally posted by Aori

Originally posted by GrayGhost79

Originally posted by wrightstuf

A few are complaining because they dont like the game for whatever reason, but the majority are hating on the game because its the new "in" thing to do

You have some trying to claim that in their misguided attempt to try and defend the game.

The reality is .....

it's not because it's not an MMO

It's not that it's made by Blizzard

It's not even that it's a horrible game

It's that it doesn't warrant the $60 price tag, many of the complaints would not exist if the price were lower. Pricing it at $60 made many compare it to other $60 games. D3 doesn't hold it's own well at all in this bracket.

 

 

Yet.. millions of people will buy it at that price tag. So what about them? The complaints about price mostly originate from this forum. 

It will depend on how that "Millions" looks after you subtract all those that got it for free.......

Originally posted by nomatics856

Because Diablo 3 is basically doing and is what diablo 2 did and was a online hack and slash where the fun was to down enemy and bosses for loot to trade with others

 

Thats all Diablo 2 was, the small small majority played for the quest and the gameplay, but even then that wasnt diablo 2`s most rewarding feature cause a majority of the people skipped acts and quest entirely just to go to certain bosses, I dont even remember once forming a group for act 3 in its entirety and pretty much act 2.

So I dont see how D3 can fail the diablo franchise when diablo 2 wasnt even all that great itsself. Just addicting.

Internet is like heaven for complainers. All the games have people complaining and you can find complaints pretty much about anything you can think off. I wouldn't worry. D3 is an awsome game, and I'm pretty sure if it was offered back when D1 / D2 got released a huge majority would pick D3 over predecessors.

Originally posted by GrayGhost79

Originally posted by Aori

Originally posted by GrayGhost79

Originally posted by wrightstuf

A few are complaining because they dont like the game for whatever reason, but the majority are hating on the game because its the new "in" thing to do

You have some trying to claim that in their misguided attempt to try and defend the game.

The reality is .....

it's not because it's not an MMO

It's not that it's made by Blizzard

It's not even that it's a horrible game

It's that it doesn't warrant the $60 price tag, many of the complaints would not exist if the price were lower. Pricing it at $60 made many compare it to other $60 games. D3 doesn't hold it's own well at all in this bracket.

 

 

Yet.. millions of people will buy it at that price tag. So what about them? The complaints about price mostly originate from this forum. 

It will depend on how that "Millions" looks after you subtract all those that got it for free.......

 

 

Well roughly 1.4million people got it for free, so i guess we'll see then huh. I for one have annual pass and pre-ordered the CE. 

Originally posted by GrayGhost79

Originally posted by Aori

Originally posted by GrayGhost79

Originally posted by wrightstuf

A few are complaining because they dont like the game for whatever reason, but the majority are hating on the game because its the new "in" thing to do

You have some trying to claim that in their misguided attempt to try and defend the game.

The reality is .....

it's not because it's not an MMO

It's not that it's made by Blizzard

It's not even that it's a horrible game

It's that it doesn't warrant the $60 price tag, many of the complaints would not exist if the price were lower. Pricing it at $60 made many compare it to other $60 games. D3 doesn't hold it's own well at all in this bracket.

 

 

Yet.. millions of people will buy it at that price tag. So what about them? The complaints about price mostly originate from this forum. 

It will depend on how that "Millions" looks after you subtract all those that got it for free.......

 

 

Are you freaking kidding me? I could understand if people wanna bitch about gameplay, but the fact that you say the main reason they're complaining is the price...ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME? Yes, that needed caps.

I can't even fully articulate my feelings on just how...WRONG anyone who thinks that is. I really can't. I'm sorry, i wish i could because it just makes me ache to think that there are people with such a low amount of logical thought. It's a one time god freaking damned price. 60 bucks. There are a TON of people that spend that much for one MEAL, let alone the people who flock to fast foods will spend that in a week or two.

You're talking about a game. One that you will play for hours and hours on end, It doesn't matter if they were giving it for free, you want to talk about fucking money, lets talk about fucking money. Even if you have a shit job, working 8 dollars an hour, 60 bucks is how many hours worked? 7.5, aka 1 full work day. 1 day, for endless(no not literally) hours of entertainment. just 8 hours for hundreds, even thousands possibly hours of entertainment, and you think thats not worth it?!!

God! I swear i'm gonna get kidney stones one of these days from posts like yours and people who actually think they're right that think like you.