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General Discussion  » Open Beta(trial)? Blizzard was honest with Diablo 3, how about Arenanet???

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  kanezfan

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4/23/12 9:52:10 AM#41


Originally posted by grimal
I think what the OP is asking...is why Anet is limiting the beta to pre-purchasers only (correct me if I'm wrong).  Why not just go ahead and open the beta to pre-orders or even to everyone?  What is their motivation for requiring you to purchase the entire game (without option of return/exchange/refund) to play on the beta weekend?
I can understand those defending Anet by citing the wealth of information out there.  But, why limit it other than securing those purchases?
 

Because they're a business and want to make tons of money and letting people who buy the game play in a beta before those who don't buy the game gives people incentive to buy the game now? If the game ends up being crappy, you can come back here and gloat and call us all who pre-purchased suckers but don't blame them for capitalizing on the hype for the game and how bad people want to play it.

  User Deleted
4/23/12 9:53:57 AM#42
Originally posted by Meleagar

If ANET was honest, they'd GIVE everyone the game and then just ask for donations for however much the individual thought it was worth. And then they'd refuse the donation and double our donation back to us. I mean, you know, if they were really serious about being honest. Then they'd put us all on the payroll and pay us to play.

wow...

All I've got to say (can say really) is Meleagar = Troll

No sense, no reason, no purpose, just pure, simple, unadulterated trolling

  grimal

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4/23/12 9:54:19 AM#43
Originally posted by GenreNinja

Beta is not a trial. Period. End of story.  The MMORPG market has blurred the definition of beta, and it deserve this "you owe me a beta to try the game" attitude so much of the audience has adopted.

 

 

See this is where the line may be a bit blurred.  What you state is what a beta is for.  But are these "beta" weekends really for beta testing?  Or is it some marketing ploy?  Or maybe a little of each?

 

edit:  I've read countless posts of people being in so-called "beta" tests and any and all feedback given was ignored.  The same issues that were prevalent in these "beta"s still existed in launch.  This makes me think twice about the actual purpose of these weekends.

Release a game with a very large established fanbase from 10+ years of bnet history when the market was still emerging and the casual base had not yet been established, thus ripe for harvesting a momentious self perpetuating playerbase people never leave because they have X hours invested in their characters, and their friends and everyone else plays anyway. Not discounting Blizzard quality... but WoW's success is as much about perfect timing as it is quality, if not more so. - Derros

  atticusbc

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4/23/12 9:55:40 AM#44

since there's not going to be a fully public open beta for gw2 (http://www.guildwars2guru.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1070552&postcount=652), i will see you after launch sometime. or if you continue to want to try it before you buy it, i guess i'll never see you. how do you play any games in this demoless age?

EDIT

Originally posted by joocheese
Originally posted by Meleagar

If ANET was honest, they'd GIVE everyone the game and then just ask for donations for however much the individual thought it was worth. And then they'd refuse the donation and double our donation back to us. I mean, you know, if they were really serious about being honest. Then they'd put us all on the payroll and pay us to play.

wow...

All I've got to say (can say really) is Meleagar = Troll

No sense, no reason, no purpose, just pure, simple, unadulterated trolling

he's not trolling, he's mocking. difference. also he's right, as is everyone saying that we've flipped our ideas about what betas should be. anet is serious. they want to put out a good game. anet is honest. this coming bwe is open, information-wise. and honestly? this is the first bwe. if they have a public beta to feed people's complaining, then it will be right before launch like every open beta.

y'know. i just had a talk with someone about entitlement the other day. i told them that no, gamers aren't entitled. we just deserve quality products. but after reading this thread, and many others like it, all i have to say is: you guys are entitled, spoiled little children. grow up.

  Meleagar

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4/23/12 9:56:04 AM#45
Originally posted by joocheese
Originally posted by Meleagar

If ANET was honest, they'd GIVE everyone the game and then just ask for donations for however much the individual thought it was worth. And then they'd refuse the donation and double our donation back to us. I mean, you know, if they were really serious about being honest. Then they'd put us all on the payroll and pay us to play.

wow...

All I've got to say (can say really) is Meleagar = Troll

No sense, no reason, no purpose, just pure, simple, unadulterated trolling

That was sarcasm, in case you didn't get it. It wasn't supposed to be taken seriously. Remember humor?

  grimal

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4/23/12 9:58:17 AM#46
Originally posted by kanezfan

Because they're a business and want to make tons of money and letting people who buy the game play in a beta before those who don't buy the game gives people incentive to buy the game now?

My thoughts exactly.

Release a game with a very large established fanbase from 10+ years of bnet history when the market was still emerging and the casual base had not yet been established, thus ripe for harvesting a momentious self perpetuating playerbase people never leave because they have X hours invested in their characters, and their friends and everyone else plays anyway. Not discounting Blizzard quality... but WoW's success is as much about perfect timing as it is quality, if not more so. - Derros

  dadante666

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you stop laughing when hear the same joke ,but always cry for the same thing...

4/23/12 9:59:40 AM#47
Originally posted by DarkPony

I hear you. Anet should put them balls on the table and let us measure them marbles! *slams rock hammer on table*

They won't have an NDA in upcoming beta's though, and despite prepurchasing guaranteeing you beta access, there should be an amount of "beta-sign-up-without-prepurchase people" as well.

So yeah, might not be YOU or ME participating in the betas but that's our own fault for not signing up for it. At least there will be plenty of folks playing it and reporting back to us here (I hope).

and then again ILOVE YOUR SIGNATURE ^_^

  bazak

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4/23/12 10:00:55 AM#48
Originally posted by grimal
Originally posted by GenreNinja

Beta is not a trial. Period. End of story.  The MMORPG market has blurred the definition of beta, and it deserve this "you owe me a beta to try the game" attitude so much of the audience has adopted.

 

 

See this is where the line may be a bit blurred.  What you state is what a beta is for.  But are these "beta" weekends really for beta testing?  Or is it some marketing ploy?  Or maybe a little of each?

 

edit:  I've read countless posts of people being in so-called "beta" tests and any and all feedback given was ignored.  The same issues that were prevalent in these "beta"s still existed in launch.  This makes me think twice about the actual purpose of these weekends.

it doesnt matter if there is a marketing ploy in it, the beta would be happening regardless of whether or not the marketing department was smart enough to try and use it to get more people aware of their game (which they have alrady done with the massive amount of videos and other content they have released to us. so yes whenever there is no nda on a beta it involves some marketing, the thing is its retarded to expect that they wouldnt use it for some bit of marketing.

 

the question is whether they are trying to manipulate people to their detriment if there is no detrimental affect on any of us potential consumers, then what the heck are we talking about this for? im not stupid ill watch them like i do all companys but untill they start arousing my suspicouns (bad spelling sry) whats the point? except to get all anxious and paranoid over nothing (that or try and make Anet look bad).

 

EDIT: as for that there is as yet no evidence of that sort of thing and all this talking is moot untill there is some evidence of it (or at the very least any evidence that Anet has done this in the past).

  Slampig

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4/23/12 10:02:22 AM#49
Originally posted by catplay

I will not gonna spend my money with out trying that game.

I've seen so many fanboys/haters comments, i really don't fallow any of them until i don't "feel" the game myself.

So will be there an open beta/trial or Arenanet want to hide something from potential players just to get their money like they did with pre-purchasing the game with out playing?

Blizzard was honest, they did open beta, they never had NDA for Diablo3, basically, they said "thats the game, play it, you like it, buy it".

Is wicked how not even GW1 didnt received any kind of trial/beta .. just because they spent money on all GW1 expansions or something.

There actually was a beta for Guild Wars, I was there.

That Guild Wars 2 login screen knocked up my wife. Must be the second coming!

  Nadia

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4/23/12 10:02:46 AM#50
Originally posted by BartDaCat

(Closed Beta) was an additional perk for purchasers of the game, but access to the closed beta for StarCraft 2 was NOT limited to pre-orders.

agree - all games do the similar things  -- there are other ways to get into Closed Beta

but StarCraft2 and other games *guaranteed* you access to closed beta if willing to preorder w no release date

  Thane

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4/23/12 10:03:29 AM#51

actually it'S not even a closed beta, i think the term arenanet used was "beta event for selected participants" or sth like it.

 

eg, we pre-purchasers get it, and some who have been selected.

most likely they will throw out keys for the WEs once release has gotten abit closer.

 

you guys have never seen this before? for example in the last half douzen mmos being released? ^^

only difference is, they do NOT hand out keys for preorder, since everyone just went to game stop, spend 5 euros and had the access, even if he cancled after it.

pre purchasing gives the devs a certain ammount of incomming money they can work with, pay the people with and so on...

 

the idea of a pre-order was NEVER to get out beta keys for 5 euro / dollar, even tho that's what most people used it for.

it was to give people who preordered and want to play the game a small insight into what they will get.

 

 

this is NOT a preview or trial or anything like it, no matter how much some of you might rage.

"I'll never grow up, never grow up, never grow up! Not me!"

  Celcius

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4/23/12 10:03:37 AM#52

Considering GW2 is an MMORPG and Diablo 3 is not, I do not feel like that is a fair measurement of the "honesty" of the companies. Diablo 3 is coming out in a few weeks and GW 2 is still months away probably. They are offering hundreds of thousands of people beta access this weekend without an NDA (this far out from the release date,i might add) Not to mention all the information coming out of the recent press betas.....they have always been transparent when it comes to what the game they are making has in it. You don't have to pay for it to try it if you don't want to (get access from a friend), but people will still be there so you can get an idea of what your friends think of the game. 

  LooneyLad

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4/23/12 10:05:18 AM#53

You cant compare a 2 hours long demo run of D3 to what GW2 can offer. It still amazes me that people continue to put these 2 together. While D3 is a dungeon crawler with the online part glued onto because of the real money shop and nothing else (the game can be a single player or at most a Co-Op experience soooooooo easy), GW2 is a fully fledged MMORPG game that is 99% different from D3...you dont even control you char. in the same way.

  User Deleted
4/23/12 10:06:44 AM#54

Only time, sales and subs (active player base for GW2) will decide whether GW2 was a success; comparatively speaking to WOW, SWTOR and Rift (only true games of consequence).

As for open betas... Diablo 3 is 24 days from being released, its about time they had an open beta!

  Unlight

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4/23/12 10:08:11 AM#55
Originally posted by Meleagar
Originally posted by joocheese
Originally posted by Meleagar

If ANET was honest, they'd GIVE everyone the game and then just ask for donations for however much the individual thought it was worth. And then they'd refuse the donation and double our donation back to us. I mean, you know, if they were really serious about being honest. Then they'd put us all on the payroll and pay us to play.

wow...

All I've got to say (can say really) is Meleagar = Troll

No sense, no reason, no purpose, just pure, simple, unadulterated trolling

That was sarcasm, in case you didn't get it. It wasn't supposed to be taken seriously. Remember humor?

I spotted it, but remember that part of the troll initiative is to put people on edge so they attack each other.  That way they can crow about the "awful" GW2 community.  It's actually one of their more effective attack strategies.

  Hurvart

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4/23/12 10:08:55 AM#56
Originally posted by GenreNinja
Originally posted by catplay

I will not gonna spend my money with out trying that game.

I've seen so many fanboys/haters comments, i really don't fallow any of them until i don't "feel" the game myself.

So will be there an open beta/trial or Arenanet want to hide something from potential players just to get their money like they did with pre-purchasing the game with out playing?

Blizzard was honest, they did open beta, they never had NDA for Diablo3, basically, they said "thats the game, play it, you like it, buy it".

Is wicked how not even GW1 didnt received any kind of trial/beta .. just because they spent money on all GW1 expansions or something.

This is where I judge much people for being an ill-informed and selfish consumers.

Beta is not a trial. Period. End of story.  The MMORPG market has blurred the definition of beta, and it deserve this "you owe me a beta to try the game" attitude so much of the audience has adopted.

Tons, hell the majority, of games have been released and almost all of them offered the game for pre-order without any public beta, much less an open beta. It's not a new concept, it's not wicked, it's not evil, it's not corrup. They don't owe you a trial.

When you pre-purchase the game, you do exactly that: pre-purchase the game. And one of the perks, is access to the beta, not a trial, but the beta. Not a preview. But the beta. They need people in game, to test the limits of the game. Millions of people want in, and chances are, they aren't ready for millions of people to be in yet. So, to reward those people who are dedicated to the brand, and pre-purchase the game, they get beta access as a perk of buying the game as opposed to selecting random people who may not even be interested in getting the game. It's actually a sound decision on there part and I commend them for sticking to their guns. The only people who will be there, are people who truely want to be there, not people "on the fence" and still convinced they deserve a trial before spending their money on an unreleased game. But people who know they want to play the game, and want it to be a great game. The people who are unsure if they want to play it, they can wait for the game to be finished, so when they do judge the game, they judge it's finished product, not it's work in progress.

 

 


I think that depends on the companies. Most s c betas are more like demos or trials. And not really intended to be serious beta testing intended to help and support the developers efforts. Only people that they really trust and know are experienced are allowed to participate in that kind of beta. Of course anyone can help stress test. But if we are talking about feed back and suggestions that devs really are interested in. Beta weekends are not intended for that.

Sometimes there are beta weekends, closed beta and internal beta(or they could perhaps call it VIP beta). 

 

  User Deleted
4/23/12 10:10:17 AM#57
Originally posted by Unlight
Originally posted by Meleagar
Originally posted by joocheese
Originally posted by Meleagar

If ANET was honest, they'd GIVE everyone the game and then just ask for donations for however much the individual thought it was worth. And then they'd refuse the donation and double our donation back to us. I mean, you know, if they were really serious about being honest. Then they'd put us all on the payroll and pay us to play.

wow...

All I've got to say (can say really) is Meleagar = Troll

No sense, no reason, no purpose, just pure, simple, unadulterated trolling

That was sarcasm, in case you didn't get it. It wasn't supposed to be taken seriously. Remember humor?

I spotted it, but remember that part of the troll initiative is to put people on edge so they attack each other.  That way they can crow about the "awful" GW2 community.  It's actually one of their more effective attack strategies.


I'm sorry, completely missed the humor haha

  Exilor

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4/23/12 10:12:02 AM#58
Originally posted by Unlight
Originally posted by Meleagar
Originally posted by joocheese
Originally posted by Meleagar

If ANET was honest, they'd GIVE everyone the game and then just ask for donations for however much the individual thought it was worth. And then they'd refuse the donation and double our donation back to us. I mean, you know, if they were really serious about being honest. Then they'd put us all on the payroll and pay us to play.

wow...

All I've got to say (can say really) is Meleagar = Troll

No sense, no reason, no purpose, just pure, simple, unadulterated trolling

That was sarcasm, in case you didn't get it. It wasn't supposed to be taken seriously. Remember humor?

I spotted it, but remember that part of the troll initiative is to put people on edge so they attack each other.  That way they can crow about the "awful" GW2 community.  It's actually one of their more effective attack strategies.

^This exactly.

It's the Wounded Gazelle Gambit.

And it's cowardly and despicable :)

  deathangell

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4/23/12 10:15:46 AM#59

90% of mmo's that come out have a open beta but just liek diablo and many others did the open beta is not until very close to the release date. They reward there pre-purchase with close beta weekends and if the gw 1 fanboys are so loyal like ur self, then u wouldnt have a issue cause you would also pre-purchase. The facts are there is no release date on thsi game so its safe to say the game is not coming out soon which is why u put a NDA on it.

 

Also as much as we want to say d3 is a mmo its more of a dungeon crawler at this point with friends considering the new system d2 was closer to the mmo state of mind of  making public friends etc of course things could change.

  LordRelic

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4/23/12 10:17:14 AM#60
Originally posted by Unlight
Originally posted by monarc333

Can't the OP prepurchase the game, try the beta, and if he doesnt like the game, cancel his purchase? After all the game is not coming out for a couple months.

No.  Pre-purchase means the game is bought and the retailer will treat it as such, meaning no returns on open games, only exchanges for same.  Pre-orders can be cancelled at any time because you don't get any tangible benefits from it up front, such as using the pre-purchase code to gain beta access.  Remember, once a code is used, it's gone.  It gets tied to an account and only that account can ever use it.  The retailer can never sell that package to someone else once they've sent you the code.

Umm i have done it in the past with other games.. I have yet to preorder GW2 but i dont want to burn out on it before its even released so im not worried.  but as for preorders 5 dollars down from gamestop gets it preordered witch will work for the beta weekeds.. ( just like it always has)

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