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  Jyiiga

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Joined: 3/03/10
Posts: 1046

4/22/12 8:00:48 PM#21
Originally posted by Banisco
Originally posted by Jyiiga

People need to stop telling us that this was just a tutorial and just a widdle beta.

 

This is what we were shown and this is what we will fracking go on. This is the demo we were given to decide if we wanted to buy and it was a bad demo. The End.

How was it bad? i played it  with every class and was quite fun so please explain me how this is a bad game without refering to the D2 or D1 because that would be a biased opinion.

Why would any of us not talk about D1 or D2 when discussing D3. Those games are part of the series and the experience people had in them does factor into this game as well.

 

 

  Banisco

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Joined: 6/26/11
Posts: 241

I like to play with trolls.

4/22/12 8:05:56 PM#22
Originally posted by Jyiiga
Originally posted by Banisco
Originally posted by Jyiiga

People need to stop telling us that this was just a tutorial and just a widdle beta.

 

This is what we were shown and this is what we will fracking go on. This is the demo we were given to decide if we wanted to buy and it was a bad demo. The End.

How was it bad? i played it  with every class and was quite fun so please explain me how this is a bad game without refering to the D2 or D1 because that would be a biased opinion.

Why would any of us not talk about D1 or D2 when discussing D3. Those games are part of the series and the experience people had in them does factor into this game as well.

 

 

Because ALL the people who say the game is bad its because its not like D2 or D1, thats not a valid reason, its like saying warcraft 3 is a bad game because its not like warcraft 1.

Games change and evolve over time if people wanted to play the same thing over and over we would still be playing pong, it doesnt matter if the game is or not like its predecesors, what matters is whether the game is fun or not.

  Jyiiga

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Joined: 3/03/10
Posts: 1046

4/22/12 8:06:17 PM#23
Originally posted by Aori
Originally posted by Jyiiga

People need to stop telling us that this was just a tutorial and just a widdle beta.

 

This is what we were shown and this is what we will fracking go on. This is the demo we were given to decide if we wanted to buy and it was a bad demo. The End.

Or you could actually research the game a bit more and learn. You have more to go on than just the beta.. the demo is the starter edition, make your informed judgement then. Its free.

I have researched it and experienced what I was given. My decision is made. There are countless threads on this board that go into great detail as to why the game does not live up to the hype or development time that it has endured. This is an MMO board first and foremost and to put it blunt and short.. Most people are looking for feature rich and relatively complex game.

With the time that has passed between installments I find this title to be less innovative than the two that came before it. I also find it less innovative when compared to similar games that have already came down the pipe or are about to be released.

  Jyiiga

Advanced Member

Joined: 3/03/10
Posts: 1046

4/22/12 8:07:05 PM#24
Originally posted by Banisco
Originally posted by Jyiiga
Originally posted by Banisco
Originally posted by Jyiiga

People need to stop telling us that this was just a tutorial and just a widdle beta.

 

This is what we were shown and this is what we will fracking go on. This is the demo we were given to decide if we wanted to buy and it was a bad demo. The End.

How was it bad? i played it  with every class and was quite fun so please explain me how this is a bad game without refering to the D2 or D1 because that would be a biased opinion.

Why would any of us not talk about D1 or D2 when discussing D3. Those games are part of the series and the experience people had in them does factor into this game as well.

 

 

Because ALL the people who say the game is bad its because its not like D2 or D1, thats not a valid reason, its like saying warcraft 3 is a bad game because its not like warcraft 1.

Games change and evolve over time if people wanted to play the same thing over and over we would still be playing pong, it doesnt matter if the game is or not like its predecesors, what matters is whether the game is fun or not.

 

 

What is this great evolution that you speak of that D3 has accomplished?

  ihatenoobs01

Novice Member

Joined: 2/08/07
Posts: 78

4/22/12 8:10:03 PM#25
Originally posted by Jyiiga
Originally posted by Banisco
Originally posted by Jyiiga

People need to stop telling us that this was just a tutorial and just a widdle beta.

 

This is what we were shown and this is what we will fracking go on. This is the demo we were given to decide if we wanted to buy and it was a bad demo. The End.

How was it bad? i played it  with every class and was quite fun so please explain me how this is a bad game without refering to the D2 or D1 because that would be a biased opinion.

Why would any of us not talk about D1 or D2 when discussing D3. Those games are part of the series and the experience people had in them does factor into this game as well.

 

 

Cmon bro why would you compare a series of a game to the games that preceded it...

 

(Sarcasm off)

 

You kids are pathetic trying to nutride this game when it ia SUPER watered down crappy version of diablo 2 with better graphics.

 

 

 

 

-Core 3 "Its the Pwn!"

  scotty899

Novice Member

Joined: 1/01/06
Posts: 173

4/22/12 8:12:06 PM#26
Originally posted by Jyiiga
Originally posted by Aori
Originally posted by Jyiiga

People need to stop telling us that this was just a tutorial and just a widdle beta.

 

This is what we were shown and this is what we will fracking go on. This is the demo we were given to decide if we wanted to buy and it was a bad demo. The End.

Or you could actually research the game a bit more and learn. You have more to go on than just the beta.. the demo is the starter edition, make your informed judgement then. Its free.

I have researched it and experienced what I was given. My decision is made. There are countless threads on this board that go into great detail as to why the game does not live up to the hype or development time that it has endured. This is an MMO board first and foremost and to put it blunt and short.. Most people are looking for feature rich and relatively complex game.

With the time that has passed between installments I find this title to be less innovative than the two that came before it. I also find it less innovative when compared to similar games that have already came down the pipe or are about to be released.

your first mistake was to belive anything from an mmorpg forum.

you do realise the beta is not for the customer but for those who participate to report bugs on a variety of system specs. the game is hack and slash dungeon crawler, why should it be complex? lol....if you want complex go play demon souls and dark souls. or even go and play a ninja gaiden game. 

  Banisco

Novice Member

Joined: 6/26/11
Posts: 241

I like to play with trolls.

4/22/12 8:14:06 PM#27
Originally posted by Jyiiga
Originally posted by Banisco
Originally posted by Jyiiga
Originally posted by Banisco
Originally posted by Jyiiga

People need to stop telling us that this was just a tutorial and just a widdle beta.

 

This is what we were shown and this is what we will fracking go on. This is the demo we were given to decide if we wanted to buy and it was a bad demo. The End.

How was it bad? i played it  with every class and was quite fun so please explain me how this is a bad game without refering to the D2 or D1 because that would be a biased opinion.

Why would any of us not talk about D1 or D2 when discussing D3. Those games are part of the series and the experience people had in them does factor into this game as well.

 

 

Because ALL the people who say the game is bad its because its not like D2 or D1, thats not a valid reason, its like saying warcraft 3 is a bad game because its not like warcraft 1.

Games change and evolve over time if people wanted to play the same thing over and over we would still be playing pong, it doesnt matter if the game is or not like its predecesors, what matters is whether the game is fun or not.

 

 

What is this great evolution that you speak of that D3 has accomplished?

I cant really tell having played only 2 hours, the only thing that comes to my mind is the new skill sistem wich makes all skills usefull and opens a way to a lot of builds.

Yes i know D2 had a "deeper" sistem with a lot of choices but in the end everybody used the same 3 or 4 builds and skills like the first necromancer skill (that blue fliying balls) got forever forgotten.

The point is that judgin a game for what you expected it to be rather than for what it really is, is kind of absurd.

  Jyiiga

Advanced Member

Joined: 3/03/10
Posts: 1046

4/22/12 8:16:46 PM#28
Originally posted by scotty899
Originally posted by Jyiiga
Originally posted by Aori
Originally posted by Jyiiga

People need to stop telling us that this was just a tutorial and just a widdle beta.

 

This is what we were shown and this is what we will fracking go on. This is the demo we were given to decide if we wanted to buy and it was a bad demo. The End.

Or you could actually research the game a bit more and learn. You have more to go on than just the beta.. the demo is the starter edition, make your informed judgement then. Its free.

I have researched it and experienced what I was given. My decision is made. There are countless threads on this board that go into great detail as to why the game does not live up to the hype or development time that it has endured. This is an MMO board first and foremost and to put it blunt and short.. Most people are looking for feature rich and relatively complex game.

With the time that has passed between installments I find this title to be less innovative than the two that came before it. I also find it less innovative when compared to similar games that have already came down the pipe or are about to be released.

your first mistake was to belive anything from an mmorpg forum.

you do realise the beta is not for the customer but for those who participate to report bugs on a variety of system specs. the game is hack and slash dungeon crawler, why should it be complex? lol....if you want complex go play demon souls and dark souls. or even go and play a ninja gaiden game. 

 

Who said this forum was my only gauge? Stop making assumptions.

Ugh wow you managed to not name a single MMO title in what is primarily a PC MMORPG board. Yeah pardon me while I ignore all of those suggested games. (Not that D3 is an MMORPG either, leasts it closer than those though...)

 

  ihatenoobs01

Novice Member

Joined: 2/08/07
Posts: 78

4/22/12 8:17:54 PM#29
Originally posted by Banisco
Originally posted by Jyiiga
Originally posted by Banisco
Originally posted by Jyiiga
Originally posted by Banisco
Originally posted by Jyiiga

People need to stop telling us that this was just a tutorial and just a widdle beta.

 

This is what we were shown and this is what we will fracking go on. This is the demo we were given to decide if we wanted to buy and it was a bad demo. The End.

How was it bad? i played it  with every class and was quite fun so please explain me how this is a bad game without refering to the D2 or D1 because that would be a biased opinion.

Why would any of us not talk about D1 or D2 when discussing D3. Those games are part of the series and the experience people had in them does factor into this game as well.

 

 

Because ALL the people who say the game is bad its because its not like D2 or D1, thats not a valid reason, its like saying warcraft 3 is a bad game because its not like warcraft 1.

Games change and evolve over time if people wanted to play the same thing over and over we would still be playing pong, it doesnt matter if the game is or not like its predecesors, what matters is whether the game is fun or not.

 

 

What is this great evolution that you speak of that D3 has accomplished?

I cant really tell having played only 2 hours, the only thing that comes to my mind is the new skill sistem wich makes all skills usefull and opens a way to a lot of builds.

Yes i know D2 had a "deeper" sistem with a lot of choices but in the end everybody used the same 3 or 4 builds and skills like the first necromancer skill (that blue fliying balls) got forever forgotten.

The point is that judgin a game for what you expected it to be rather than for what it really is, is kind of absurd.

Stopped reading at blue flying balls. You really never played if you say everybody used the same 3 or 4 builds (Unless you are saying 3 or 4 builds per class)

-Core 3 "Its the Pwn!"

  Jyiiga

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Joined: 3/03/10
Posts: 1046

4/22/12 8:17:54 PM#30
Originally posted by Banisco
Originally posted by Jyiiga
Originally posted by Banisco
Originally posted by Jyiiga
Originally posted by Banisco
Originally posted by Jyiiga

People need to stop telling us that this was just a tutorial and just a widdle beta.

 

This is what we were shown and this is what we will fracking go on. This is the demo we were given to decide if we wanted to buy and it was a bad demo. The End.

How was it bad? i played it  with every class and was quite fun so please explain me how this is a bad game without refering to the D2 or D1 because that would be a biased opinion.

Why would any of us not talk about D1 or D2 when discussing D3. Those games are part of the series and the experience people had in them does factor into this game as well.

 

 

Because ALL the people who say the game is bad its because its not like D2 or D1, thats not a valid reason, its like saying warcraft 3 is a bad game because its not like warcraft 1.

Games change and evolve over time if people wanted to play the same thing over and over we would still be playing pong, it doesnt matter if the game is or not like its predecesors, what matters is whether the game is fun or not.

 

 

What is this great evolution that you speak of that D3 has accomplished?

I cant really tell having played only 2 hours, the only thing that comes to my mind is the new skill sistem wich makes all skills usefull and opens a way to a lot of builds.

Yes i know D2 had a "deeper" sistem with a lot of choices but in the end everybody used the same 3 or 4 builds and skills like the first necromancer skill (that blue fliying balls) got forever forgotten.

The point is that judgin a game for what you expected it to be rather than for what it really is, is kind of absurd.

 

Oh ok... So you were just talking out your butt? Thanks for clearing that up.

  Banisco

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Joined: 6/26/11
Posts: 241

I like to play with trolls.

4/22/12 8:20:32 PM#31
Originally posted by Jyiiga
Originally posted by Banisco
Originally posted by Jyiiga
Originally posted by Banisco
Originally posted by Jyiiga
Originally posted by Banisco
Originally posted by Jyiiga

People need to stop telling us that this was just a tutorial and just a widdle beta.

 

This is what we were shown and this is what we will fracking go on. This is the demo we were given to decide if we wanted to buy and it was a bad demo. The End.

How was it bad? i played it  with every class and was quite fun so please explain me how this is a bad game without refering to the D2 or D1 because that would be a biased opinion.

Why would any of us not talk about D1 or D2 when discussing D3. Those games are part of the series and the experience people had in them does factor into this game as well.

 

 

Because ALL the people who say the game is bad its because its not like D2 or D1, thats not a valid reason, its like saying warcraft 3 is a bad game because its not like warcraft 1.

Games change and evolve over time if people wanted to play the same thing over and over we would still be playing pong, it doesnt matter if the game is or not like its predecesors, what matters is whether the game is fun or not.

 

 

What is this great evolution that you speak of that D3 has accomplished?

I cant really tell having played only 2 hours, the only thing that comes to my mind is the new skill sistem wich makes all skills usefull and opens a way to a lot of builds.

Yes i know D2 had a "deeper" sistem with a lot of choices but in the end everybody used the same 3 or 4 builds and skills like the first necromancer skill (that blue fliying balls) got forever forgotten.

The point is that judgin a game for what you expected it to be rather than for what it really is, is kind of absurd.

 

Oh ok... So you were just talking out your butt? Thanks for clearing that up.

And it looks like im not the only one. Its ok to not like a game but its not ok to say its bad because its no what you dreamed about, just that.

  Banisco

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4/22/12 8:22:03 PM#32
Originally posted by ihatenoobs01
Originally posted by Banisco
Originally posted by Jyiiga
Originally posted by Banisco
Originally posted by Jyiiga
Originally posted by Banisco
Originally posted by Jyiiga

People need to stop telling us that this was just a tutorial and just a widdle beta.

 

This is what we were shown and this is what we will fracking go on. This is the demo we were given to decide if we wanted to buy and it was a bad demo. The End.

How was it bad? i played it  with every class and was quite fun so please explain me how this is a bad game without refering to the D2 or D1 because that would be a biased opinion.

Why would any of us not talk about D1 or D2 when discussing D3. Those games are part of the series and the experience people had in them does factor into this game as well.

 

 

Because ALL the people who say the game is bad its because its not like D2 or D1, thats not a valid reason, its like saying warcraft 3 is a bad game because its not like warcraft 1.

Games change and evolve over time if people wanted to play the same thing over and over we would still be playing pong, it doesnt matter if the game is or not like its predecesors, what matters is whether the game is fun or not.

 

 

What is this great evolution that you speak of that D3 has accomplished?

I cant really tell having played only 2 hours, the only thing that comes to my mind is the new skill sistem wich makes all skills usefull and opens a way to a lot of builds.

Yes i know D2 had a "deeper" sistem with a lot of choices but in the end everybody used the same 3 or 4 builds and skills like the first necromancer skill (that blue fliying balls) got forever forgotten.

The point is that judgin a game for what you expected it to be rather than for what it really is, is kind of absurd.

Stopped reading at blue flying balls. You really never played if you say everybody used the same 3 or 4 builds (Unless you are saying 3 or 4 builds per class)

Yes im talking per class, and about the necro im saying that most of the people would prefer to fire the skulls or bone spears rather than the theet.

  therez0

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Joined: 7/30/08
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4/22/12 8:28:35 PM#33


Originally posted by Banisco
*snip*
I cant really tell having played only 2 hours, the only thing that comes to my mind is the new skill sistem wich makes all skills usefull and opens a way to a lot of builds.
Yes i know D2 had a "deeper" sistem with a lot of choices but in the end everybody used the same 3 or 4 builds and skills like the first necromancer skill (that blue fliying balls) got forever forgotten.
The point is that judgin a game for what you expected it to be rather than for what it really is, is kind of absurd.

If you think the new build system is going to be any different from being limited to 3-4 'viable' builds, you would be sorely mistaken. Guild Wars had a similarly complex build system, yet cookie cutter builds were prominent and high end public PvP had 'flavor of the month' builds that were required to be competitive.

The Diablo 3 system just waters down the formula so that everyone is the same... bland, identical characters with the same builds will be rampant. At least with Diablo 2, there was a challenge to getting to one of the few top-end builds, and that was planning your character, skills, and traits; all of which have been removed from D3. And don't try to harp on about gems being the way to customize your traits, D2 had that too.

And the skill you are thinking of is called Teeth, and it was perfectly viable as an AoE DPS skill (PvE) after synergies were added.

  Jyiiga

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Joined: 3/03/10
Posts: 1046

4/22/12 8:29:13 PM#34
Originally posted by Banisco
Originally posted by Jyiiga
Originally posted by Banisco
Originally posted by Jyiiga
Originally posted by Banisco
Originally posted by Jyiiga
Originally posted by Banisco
Originally posted by Jyiiga

People need to stop telling us that this was just a tutorial and just a widdle beta.

 

This is what we were shown and this is what we will fracking go on. This is the demo we were given to decide if we wanted to buy and it was a bad demo. The End.

How was it bad? i played it  with every class and was quite fun so please explain me how this is a bad game without refering to the D2 or D1 because that would be a biased opinion.

Why would any of us not talk about D1 or D2 when discussing D3. Those games are part of the series and the experience people had in them does factor into this game as well.

 

 

Because ALL the people who say the game is bad its because its not like D2 or D1, thats not a valid reason, its like saying warcraft 3 is a bad game because its not like warcraft 1.

Games change and evolve over time if people wanted to play the same thing over and over we would still be playing pong, it doesnt matter if the game is or not like its predecesors, what matters is whether the game is fun or not.

 

 

What is this great evolution that you speak of that D3 has accomplished?

I cant really tell having played only 2 hours, the only thing that comes to my mind is the new skill sistem wich makes all skills usefull and opens a way to a lot of builds.

Yes i know D2 had a "deeper" sistem with a lot of choices but in the end everybody used the same 3 or 4 builds and skills like the first necromancer skill (that blue fliying balls) got forever forgotten.

The point is that judgin a game for what you expected it to be rather than for what it really is, is kind of absurd.

 

Oh ok... So you were just talking out your butt? Thanks for clearing that up.

And it looks like im not the only one. Its ok to not like a game but its not ok to say its bad because its no what you dreamed about, just that.

 

You don't really understand how reviewers work at the most basic level do you?

 

I draw my opinions from reviews, others opinions, previous games, simliar games and beta time.

Factoring all of those in the game does not live up to what it should be imo.

  fascism

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4/22/12 8:31:24 PM#35

now you have 2 skills instead of one like in d2, its pretty innovative

  Banisco

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4/22/12 8:34:58 PM#36
Originally posted by therez0

 


Originally posted by Banisco
*snip*
I cant really tell having played only 2 hours, the only thing that comes to my mind is the new skill sistem wich makes all skills usefull and opens a way to a lot of builds.
Yes i know D2 had a "deeper" sistem with a lot of choices but in the end everybody used the same 3 or 4 builds and skills like the first necromancer skill (that blue fliying balls) got forever forgotten.
The point is that judgin a game for what you expected it to be rather than for what it really is, is kind of absurd.


 

If you think the new build system is going to be any different from being limited to 3-4 'viable' builds, you would be sorely mistaken. Guild Wars had a similarly complex build system, yet cookie cutter builds were prominent and high end public PvP had 'flavor of the month' builds that were required to be competitive.

The Diablo 3 system just waters down the formula so that everyone is the same... bland, identical characters with the same builds will be rampant. At least with Diablo 2, there was a challenge to getting to one of the few top-end builds, and that was planning your character, skills, and traits; all of which have been removed from D3. And don't try to harp on about gems being the way to customize your traits, D2 had that too.

And the skill you are thinking of is called Teeth, and it was perfectly viable as an AoE DPS skill (PvE) after synergies were added.

The point in trying to get here is that in D3 ALL the skills are viable, wen i played D2 was on its release (no sinergies and stuff) and all i leveled were skeletons cos i found them fun, i loved to have my own army even wen i foun that they will wipe vs any boss or player, and i knew it and it was ok. I liked that build but was hardly viable, and i think it will be diferent in D3 meaning that no matter wich skills u have at the moment you will be able to kill stuff and progress on almost every situation.

  Banisco

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4/22/12 8:37:52 PM#37
Originally posted by Jyiiga
(...)

 

You don't really understand how reviewers work at the most basic level do you?

 

I draw my opinions from reviews, others opinions, previous games, simliar games and beta time.

Factoring all of those in the game does not live up to what it should be imo.

Thats all i wanted to hear, its ok if you dont like the game but dont go arround saying its bad because it isnt.

Edit: i also give you and everybody who cares to read that in my opinion Diablo 3 IS NOT a diablo game, its a good game, but not a diablo game as WE all expected.

  Hairysun

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Joined: 6/11/05
Posts: 1068

Boo ....

4/22/12 8:44:56 PM#38
Originally posted by Banisco
Originally posted by Jyiiga
(...)

 

You don't really understand how reviewers work at the most basic level do you?

 

I draw my opinions from reviews, others opinions, previous games, simliar games and beta time.

Factoring all of those in the game does not live up to what it should be imo.

Thats all i wanted to hear, its ok if you dont like the game but dont go arround saying its bad because it isnt.

 

I'm thinking this up coming week the interwebz will be filled with impressions/reviews/opinions and it's not going to be pretty. 

 

Meh ..... quite simply, it is what it is.  Not quite what I was expecting but  I'm thankful I was able to play prior to making a purchase.

 

~Hairysun

 

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  Derpybird

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Posts: 1006

4/22/12 9:06:12 PM#39

I would not be surprised if Blizz was just using this as a test for the implementation of a RMAH in all of their games (yeah yeah I'll take off my tinfoil hat in a minute). But think of it, they are giving away 1.2 million copies to WoW annual pass holders. Now granted, getting people to keep subscribed to WoW is revenue, but I think they are banking on one hell of a revenue stream from the RMAH.

Remember, they get $1.25 from each sale. Does this get you cash? NO. It gets you battle.net bucks. What are these? Well, it's cash you can use to buy Blizz services, like character transfers or a mount and such. If you want actual cash money, you have to "cash out" and get charged a fee from Blizz and their service provider.

It's all about ongoing revenue streams, and if people accept this in D3, why not in WoW, or Starcraft, and certainly why not in Titan? The RMAH already makes PvP (when it gets implemented) P2W, yet people seem rather complacent about the whole thing.

"Loading screens" are not "instances".
Your personal efforts to troll any game will not, in fact, impact the success or failure of said game.

  Fargol

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Posts: 304

4/22/12 11:59:00 PM#40
Originally posted by Banisco
Originally posted by therez0

 


Originally posted by Banisco
*snip*
I cant really tell having played only 2 hours, the only thing that comes to my mind is the new skill sistem wich makes all skills usefull and opens a way to a lot of builds.
Yes i know D2 had a "deeper" sistem with a lot of choices but in the end everybody used the same 3 or 4 builds and skills like the first necromancer skill (that blue fliying balls) got forever forgotten.
The point is that judgin a game for what you expected it to be rather than for what it really is, is kind of absurd.


 

If you think the new build system is going to be any different from being limited to 3-4 'viable' builds, you would be sorely mistaken. Guild Wars had a similarly complex build system, yet cookie cutter builds were prominent and high end public PvP had 'flavor of the month' builds that were required to be competitive.

The Diablo 3 system just waters down the formula so that everyone is the same... bland, identical characters with the same builds will be rampant. At least with Diablo 2, there was a challenge to getting to one of the few top-end builds, and that was planning your character, skills, and traits; all of which have been removed from D3. And don't try to harp on about gems being the way to customize your traits, D2 had that too.

And the skill you are thinking of is called Teeth, and it was perfectly viable as an AoE DPS skill (PvE) after synergies were added.

The point in trying to get here is that in D3 ALL the skills are viable, wen i played D2 was on its release (no sinergies and stuff) and all i leveled were skeletons cos i found them fun, i loved to have my own army even wen i foun that they will wipe vs any boss or player, and i knew it and it was ok. I liked that build but was hardly viable, and i think it will be diferent in D3 meaning that no matter wich skills u have at the moment you will be able to kill stuff and progress on almost every situation.

This.

I played each class to max in the beta, and while I wasn't crazy about some of the class skills, every single one of them was viable at the first level you get it to the last. What they did is scale damage to your weapon damage (which i know sounds a little silly) but it works.

 

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