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  gestalt11

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4/21/12 4:03:23 PM#21

Black Isle made Planescape:torment.  The people who made Fallout 1&2.  Not Bioware.

 

Edit: Also when you compare Black isle games to Bioware games you can see where Bioware falls down in my eyes.  Black Isle ismetric RPGs are truly open and have stories that fit awesomely with that openness and they generally  oftenhave created their own RPG systems or novel twists on a system. 

Bioware has always been on rails in its stories.  You go here or here, but no where else.  You get the same story arc no matte what you just move one of two pieces around.

All this hub bub about ME3 ending people don't realize Bioware has never been capable or inclined to make a game like Planescape or Fallout.

Its not in them.

  Connmacart

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4/21/12 4:08:23 PM#22

Bioware agreed to sell their company and they couldn't have been so naive as to think it would be different from all the other companies EA bought. So Bioware is as much to blame as EA for every crap game being released under theBioware name now.

  Loser60

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I beg your pardon.

4/21/12 4:08:54 PM#23

I like Bioware, they make some of my favourite games, Ea publishes some of my favourite RTS's too, but they are very, VERY unreliable. I don't really get people boycotting them though.

  gestalt11

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4/21/12 4:09:09 PM#24
Originally posted by Tayah
Originally posted by mmoDAD

You kidding me? It's because of BioWare we have this single-player bs.

They have no clue.

I agree, it was BW devs/team leads that didn't listen to testers, not EA.

Actually alot of QA is handled by the publisher not the Developers.  But still I agree the developers should have been able to realize there was a serious problem with ME3 ending.

  Opapanax

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4/21/12 4:14:27 PM#25
Originally posted by Tayah
Originally posted by mmoDAD

You kidding me? It's because of BioWare we have this single-player bs.

They have no clue.

I agree, it was BW devs/team leads that didn't listen to testers, not EA.

I'm not trying to bash op but EA didn't sit down and program TOR. That's Bioware devs. which ever ones remain out the bunch. I really don't see how we can let either one escape any of the blame..

One for making shit, the other one for selling the crap like it were golden nuggets..

PM before you report at least or you could just block.

  PyrateLV

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4/21/12 4:22:29 PM#26
Originally posted by JazKW347

Sounds like what happened to Cryptic when Perfect World Bought it. I really hate when crap like this happens.

I think you mean Atari

Cryptic has done much better in regards to STO since PWE aquired them.

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  Warmaker

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4/21/12 4:51:10 PM#27

The BioWare that *I know*, the BioWare from 1997 until very early 2000s was among the best dev houses out there.

The BioWare that exists now?  No.  Nowhere near their earlier years.  Sure, the founders are there, but they've lost it, most esp. in recent years.  Their name still has pull, but their games.

Doesn't it concern you when gamers beg "I hope Bethesda doesn't do a BioWare"?

"I have only two out of my company and 20 out of some other company. We need support, but it is almost suicide to try to get it here as we are swept by machine gun fire and a constant barrage is on us. I have no one on my left and only a few on my right. I will hold." (First Lieutenant Clifton B. Cates, US Marine Corps, Soissons, 19 July 1918)

  Shadanwolf

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4/21/12 5:31:48 PM#28

OP..no reason to waste your energy "hateing".Strongest message you can send is not giving company's your money.Companys listen to money....or go out of business.The problem is most company decision makers don't know how, or don't care to listen to those who pay their bills.By the time customers start heading for the exits..the  product their selling(the game) has already had its fate determined.

  Kaijin2k3

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4/21/12 9:27:56 PM#29

OP please read this interview: Eurogamer Interview: The Doctors Talk BioWare Quality & EA Control

IIRC, in every interview the founding doctors have been quite happy about EA buying them. I understand your point that from the moment EA bought BioWare, the old BioWare ceased to exist and is now just EA. But I also feel that negative feelings towards BioWare (and not specifically EA) are quite valid seeing as this is what they wanted.

  Warmaker

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4/21/12 11:42:39 PM#30
Originally posted by Kaijin2k3

OP please read this interview: Eurogamer Interview: The Doctors Talk BioWare Quality & EA Control

IIRC, in every interview the founding doctors have been quite happy about EA buying them. I understand your point that from the moment EA bought BioWare, the old BioWare ceased to exist and is now just EA. But I also feel that negative feelings towards BioWare (and not specifically EA) are quite valid seeing as this is what they wanted.

Heheh, this makes it even better.  So all the things people have been complaining about BioWare's titles were executed by BioWare themselves and not the Big Bad Evil EA.  Dragon Age 2, SWTOR, etc.  All by the hands of BioWare.

Nice.

"I have only two out of my company and 20 out of some other company. We need support, but it is almost suicide to try to get it here as we are swept by machine gun fire and a constant barrage is on us. I have no one on my left and only a few on my right. I will hold." (First Lieutenant Clifton B. Cates, US Marine Corps, Soissons, 19 July 1918)

  djmtott

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4/22/12 12:06:34 AM#31
Originally posted by GroovyFlower

In other words Bioware are such weak minded minions that EA dictate and Bioware obey like a slave?

They can say NO and EA can't do anything about it. Unless Bioware was so stupid to handover the whole leadership and Bioware are just puppet now in the hands of EA, its Bioware's own fault not EA.

EA bought Bioware. If I'm the EA boss and you're the Bioware employee and you tell me 'no', I fire you and replace you with someone else.

They didn't enter into a partnership or some shared power structure. Bioware now is just a division of EA. EA bought Bioware, end of story.

  Zefire

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4/22/12 12:09:05 AM#32
Originally posted by djmtott
Originally posted by GroovyFlower

In other words Bioware are such weak minded minions that EA dictate and Bioware obey like a slave?

They can say NO and EA can't do anything about it. Unless Bioware was so stupid to handover the whole leadership and Bioware are just puppet now in the hands of EA, its Bioware's own fault not EA.

EA bought Bioware. If I'm the EA boss and you're the Bioware employee and you tell me 'no', I fire you and replace you with someone else.

They didn't enter into a partnership or some shared power structure. Bioware now is just a division of EA. EA bought Bioware, end of story.

We know that.Besides who cares about ea now?Diablo 3 is coming

  djmtott

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4/22/12 12:10:47 AM#33
Originally posted by Zefire
Originally posted by djmtott
Originally posted by GroovyFlower

In other words Bioware are such weak minded minions that EA dictate and Bioware obey like a slave?

They can say NO and EA can't do anything about it. Unless Bioware was so stupid to handover the whole leadership and Bioware are just puppet now in the hands of EA, its Bioware's own fault not EA.

EA bought Bioware. If I'm the EA boss and you're the Bioware employee and you tell me 'no', I fire you and replace you with someone else.

They didn't enter into a partnership or some shared power structure. Bioware now is just a division of EA. EA bought Bioware, end of story.

We know that.Besides who cares about ea now?Diablo 3 is coming

Obviously some people do not understand if they think Bioware "can say NO and EA can't do anything about it".

  Kert

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4/22/12 2:32:18 AM#34

As I saw ages ago somewhere (probably here) the company is now called... BEAware.... and don't buy their games.

I honestly don't care who's fault it is. EA has a history of negativity I think they've become the easy scape goat. But as the OP has pointed out, and I agree... they're the same company now, everyone of them is to blame.

  OberanMiM

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4/22/12 12:29:58 PM#35

This thread would be more accurately titled.

 

"Don't hate the EA/BioWare Employee's who are just following instructions from their bosses at  EA"

 

The sad truth is everyone has a price, And when those in control find their price, its the little guys who suffer.

  CasaFranky

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4/22/12 12:32:07 PM#36

no.
BW made DA and MA.
nuff said...

  NasherUK

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4/22/12 12:41:44 PM#37
Originally posted by Zefire
Originally posted by djmtott
Originally posted by GroovyFlower

In other words Bioware are such weak minded minions that EA dictate and Bioware obey like a slave?

They can say NO and EA can't do anything about it. Unless Bioware was so stupid to handover the whole leadership and Bioware are just puppet now in the hands of EA, its Bioware's own fault not EA.

EA bought Bioware. If I'm the EA boss and you're the Bioware employee and you tell me 'no', I fire you and replace you with someone else.

They didn't enter into a partnership or some shared power structure. Bioware now is just a division of EA. EA bought Bioware, end of story.

We know that.Besides who cares about ea now?Diablo 3 is coming

Hate to break it to you, but Diablo 3 is basically just Diablo 2 with modern graphics.  They even gave it away for "free" with a wow subscription along with access to the beta.  It's really nothing that amazing or innovative (much like starcraft 2).

  Battlekruse

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4/22/12 12:58:31 PM#38

This thread make me sick

First of all. Bioware founder choose to sell themself on the stockmarket  and EA was the buyer. So when everyhing is coming down, then its Bioware itself and its founder there wanted the solution.

 

Second: There is nothing wrong that the founders want to sell there company they buildt themself  for $860 million dollars. EA probably made a neat deal. They have now access to there personal staff, there license and one less competitor to worried about.

 

Third: If you dislike Bioware quality games, then dont buy them. Nobody is forcing you to buy there games.


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  Uhwop

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4/22/12 1:21:50 PM#39
Originally posted by stragen001
Originally posted by dthmn
Originally posted by stragen001

 

You are wrong in every way possible. 

EA is definitally no better, perhaps up to par with how crappy Activision is.

But to state that it's EA's fault for BioWare having terrible games? That's just BS.

BioWare never made any good games, and don't use friggin KOTOR to defend that, because that game wasn't all that great either. 

BioWare was decent at best with games, then slowly progessed to become a hell of alot worse which is where they are now.

It's not EA's fault, it IS BIoWare's fault for not knowing how to make a proper game.  Companies like iD show the same thing with Rage. How a game like Wolfenstein and DOOM can be the best of games back then, and they turn things into terrible games like RAGE and DOOM 3. 

EA is nothing but the publisher and has barely any influence over BioWare, get that through your thick BioDrone skull and realize the truth.

So you are saying that Baldurs Gate series, Planescape Torment, MDK, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, the KOTOR series and ME1 were rubbish?

I think the majority of people would disagree wtih you on that....

Also, EA IS Bioware. There is no such thing as Bioware anymore. 

 Bioware tends to have good inital outings with thier games.  It's the follow-ups they have a habbit of dropping the ball on.

When they do manage to create a sequal that isn't a bust, it's usually because the sequal didn't stray from the original formula; not making any big changes to the gameplay, and usually just pushing the same story along.

Baldurs gate 2 was exactly the same game as the first, with just a couple of rather minor changes.  I don't know if they had anything to do with the console BG, but that game was pretty crappy.

Also, planescape was developed by Black Isle studios, which was a division of interplay (atari),   Black isle are the guys that made the original Fallout. 

Bioware didn't make KOTOR 2, again, that was black isle.

Guess what else bioware didn't make?  MDK.  They did the sequel, not the original MDK.  Neither MDK, nor the bioware developed MDK2 were that good.

Jade Empire, while not bad, wasn't exactly a blockbuster either.

NWN wasn't good becaue it was a good game, it was good because of the modding and online play.  The campaign itself actually kind of sucked, and didn't really look very good.  (They had to rush the release of the game; so they skimped on some of the art and layout.)

Really don't understand were everyone got this idea that Bioware makes nothing but great games.  They don't, they never have, and thier track record more then shows that.  They've made like 4 games! (Yes, I know, it's not really only 4 games.)  Two of which use rulesets and a setting that's been around since the 70's, D&D.  Then they made ME1, I'll agree, it was a pretty good game, and DA1; which also wasn't bad.  I never played KOTOR, but I'll take everyones word that it was good.

I won't even get into a rant about how every time I play a bioware game it feels like I'm playing the last bioware game I played since ME1.  Even when the game mechanics aren't the same, they still feel the same.

Am I really the only person that's noticed that bioware has been rehashing the same gameplay experience over and over for the last decade?  The only thing that ever changes is the setting, and alternating gameplay between 3rd person shooter and hotbar/ diceroll combat, aside from that it's all been running around talking to NPC"s and selecting diffierent responses.

I'm not suprised ToR isn't living up to it's hype.  It looks like a reskined, online version of Dragon Age, using the exact same gameplay as every other Bioware game made in, well, ever.

  iceman00

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4/22/12 7:01:14 PM#40
Originally posted by stragen001

Recently I have seen a lot of posts, and even news stories on this site being very critical of Bioware, and how they failed to build a proper MMO with SWTOR, screwed up the ending of ME3, and just plain got it wrong with DA2.

You will notice however that ALL of these games have been released since the excellent and well thought of indi studio Bioware got subsumed into the giant clusterf*ck that is EA.

Bioware WAS an amazing company and produced some, if not all of my favorite ever games. Everyone remembers and loves games like the Baldurs Gate series, Planescape Torment, MDK, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, the KOTOR series and ME1

During the time these games were made, Bioware was an independant studio and had full creative and development control of all its titles, and as we can see from the successes above, this was a good thing, that lead to good games.

When Bioware was bought by EA in 2007 is when everything started going downhill. Now, I dont know how much influence EA had, if any, on DA:O because I believe that it was already well under way, and this and ME2 may be the only exceptions to the rule here being that they were good games, produced after EA bought Bioware. However it is my opinion that this is because EA were pretty much leaving Bioware to their own devices at that point

However, Every game since will have been highly influenced by EA and it shows. And they have been poor compared to what we were used to when Bioware had full control. 

Nowadays, Bioware is just a brand of EA. Nothing more. Its just the name. Id imagine a large portion of the management and devs from the independant Bioware of old have moved on and now everything is done EA's way of get it out quick and hype it to hell so that by the time people realise the game is rubbish, we already have their money. Bioware is in fact now an amalgamation of Bioware, Mythic, and EA, and all of Bioware's core values have been lost :(

TL;DR - Its all EA's Fault, there is no Bioware anymore. 

In the end, the Bioware boys agreed to being assimilated into the Borg.  They knew EA's reputation.  Take a company, milk the s**t out of it, then leave it bleeding on the side of the road with sub-quality games.  They wanted the Bioware brand, nothing more.  heck, look at their statement that EA wants all future games to be like ME3:  cross-platforming smart phones and tablet apps to add content to the pc/console version of the game.

The company that was Bioware died with DA:O.  What has existed since has really been a weak company.  even when they start getting a lot of things right (ME3), they screw it up so bad you don't even want to play the previous excellent games, because it reminds you how the story ends.

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