Originally posted by fivoroth

Back then you might've not had internet access all the time due to various reasons. Nowadays you have internet everywhere you go. I think soon even my calculator will be able to connect to the internet just for lolz. So I don't get why people cry so much about this.

Even back then after a while I would never play D2 single player because it was pointless. No progression, no fun.

This is completely untrue. Not everyone has access to internet all the time and even if they did, it isn't always a good enough connection to play an online game.

Ever have to go on a trip somewhere with your laptop where the only internet was some poor wifi connection that you have to share with other people? Try gaming with that... it doesn't work that well.

quote from Ops review:

-The game is so ungodly easy it's rather sad. In my 4 different playthroughs from 1-10 I NEVER died once. I even NEVER had to pop an hp-pot. At LEAST in Diablo 2 even in the "normal" difficulty you died a couple times unless you were an uber-elitist who knew 100% what they were doing. HP pots were mandatory, and you never cryed foul even if you got one of those crappy ones. An HP pot generally meant life or death most of the time! Diablo 3? NOPE!

 You really should of at least done some research....NO previous versions of Diablo had the difficulty modes offered in D3.

Normal...deliberately very easy so anyone with little or no RPG exp can pick up and play

Nitemare...harder

Hell...harder yet

Inferno...you're gonna die lots. this mode will most definately challenge anyone

Try to sound more informed if you're going to do a review

Originally posted by Distaste

It's much better. In D2 you had all of 2-3 skills to use because of how their skill system was. You would pump points in to max out  4 maybe 5 skills(most of which synergized with the main spell you wanted to use). All this added up to using 2-3 skills total most of the time. Seriously go look up the builds. You'll find 4-5 skills maxed to 20 and the rest are 1 points just to get to good skills. The system worked but it was anything but great.

A system where I can actually use other spells and have them be viable is sooo much better, not to mention the huge amount of flexibility it offers people in builds.

I am actually very curious about how the rune/skill system works out and I find it a potentially attractive alternative to the old skill tree system. It depends on how Blizzard implemented it though of course.

I loved D1 and D2, but they were extremely cookie cutter, especially if you wanted to be viable in Hell mode. I made some less optimal builds in D2 but I never planned to get the characters beyond Nightmare. I remember Blizzard nerfing and boosting certain classes too with each patch so that sometimes an entire class was lacklustre and got sidelined. It has been years now, but I remember Druids as basically being sort of fail overall in patch 9, and of course the long-term supremacy of Amazons.

I thought it was a pity too that the end-all and be all of D2 was doing cow levels in Hell mode. The synergy system just made it more cookie cutter than the game was at the start and in that sense I didn't like that change.

I really hope that they won't go through another cycle of boosting and nerfing entire classes again though. Each class and every build should be viable in the hardest difficulties of the game.

Though D2 was a classic game, I do think a lot of things could have been improved. I don't know if D3 has improved on them since I haven't beta'ed, but I hope so. I am willing to give this game a shot when it comes out.

Sadly, the people who cry about this game being 'easy', to bright and other stupid things are elitists, pure and simple.

OP has mauled the game based on first impressions and makes some good points.

I'm on the fence. Seemd not to GRAB me as the other Diablo games did but (a) maybe the ol rose glasses are kicking in and the real "addiction" factor came later for D1 and D2 too, and (b) unlike the OP I think the skill system has merits (and subtleties that a first look doesn't see) so I am prepared to give it a shot.

Kind of a small thing but the lore bits and pieces made an impression on me, being voiced over when you encounter them, was something I really liked - it broke up the combat and engaged you with the world.

Originally posted by Fadedbomb

Originally posted by Omnifish

Originally posted by Fadedbomb

Originally posted by Axxar

I don't think those add up to actually viable builds, though, so I don't like those kinds of number spraying. But the truth is Diablo 2 had a pretty small pool of viable builds, and Diablo 3s system has potential for many  less due to the dumbed down structure of the skill system.

Fixed that for you.

 

The new "skill system" they've implemented is pathetic. There's no way anyone who isn't trolling can seriously comment that the new system they have for Diablo 3 is in ANY way, shape, or form "better". Please stop trolling.

Nones trolling just because they might not agree with you.

I'd also suggest you don't go around editing what people have said just becasue they don't  fit in with your, 'It's not Diablo I with better graphics, so it's crap', argument.

But I guess you played Diablo I loads so you know better huh? Your entitled to your opinion but seriously don't post on a public forum if your not prepared for some views that don't fit in with your own.

They ARE, in fact, trolling when they outright claim that the newer system has "more viable" combinations than the old system. Just because they're trying to outlandishly defend the game for its worse points, and YOU want the game to not be attacked for said horrible points does NOT make me a troll.

It means I'm not willing to sit on the side lines and let people, yet again, just accept anything Blizzard makes without a haphazard "WHY DID YOU DO THIS?!".

 

Seriously, I'm frustrated because the MAJORITY of the replies, PMs, and replies on other Action-RPg forums are in agreement with me. Yet, the minority of Casual players, or people whom have never played Diablo before, are crying foul. 

 

Look, I'm sorry, but if Blizzard made World of Warcraft 2, and it was in the design of STAR WARS GALAXIES you would cry foul like no other. Diablo 3 is that EXACT scenario for Diablo fans so please go somewhere else! :(

 

-Faded

Stop this bullshit. Who made you the diablo-fan spokesperson?

I love Diablo. I love Diablo 2.

And guess what? I........Love.........Diablo..........3. That's right.

You know why? Because I understand and embrace changes. I don't want Diablo 2 with a big 3 slapped onto it. I want the next best thing. And this is it.

Originally posted by BizkitNL

Originally posted by Fadedbomb

Originally posted by Omnifish

Originally posted by Fadedbomb

Originally posted by Axxar

I don't think those add up to actually viable builds, though, so I don't like those kinds of number spraying. But the truth is Diablo 2 had a pretty small pool of viable builds, and Diablo 3s system has potential for many  less due to the dumbed down structure of the skill system.

Fixed that for you.

 

The new "skill system" they've implemented is pathetic. There's no way anyone who isn't trolling can seriously comment that the new system they have for Diablo 3 is in ANY way, shape, or form "better". Please stop trolling.

Nones trolling just because they might not agree with you.

I'd also suggest you don't go around editing what people have said just becasue they don't  fit in with your, 'It's not Diablo I with better graphics, so it's crap', argument.

But I guess you played Diablo I loads so you know better huh? Your entitled to your opinion but seriously don't post on a public forum if your not prepared for some views that don't fit in with your own.

They ARE, in fact, trolling when they outright claim that the newer system has "more viable" combinations than the old system. Just because they're trying to outlandishly defend the game for its worse points, and YOU want the game to not be attacked for said horrible points does NOT make me a troll.

It means I'm not willing to sit on the side lines and let people, yet again, just accept anything Blizzard makes without a haphazard "WHY DID YOU DO THIS?!".

 

Seriously, I'm frustrated because the MAJORITY of the replies, PMs, and replies on other Action-RPg forums are in agreement with me. Yet, the minority of Casual players, or people whom have never played Diablo before, are crying foul. 

 

Look, I'm sorry, but if Blizzard made World of Warcraft 2, and it was in the design of STAR WARS GALAXIES you would cry foul like no other. Diablo 3 is that EXACT scenario for Diablo fans so please go somewhere else! :(

 

-Faded

Stop this bullshit. Who made you the diablo-fan spokesperson?

I love Diablo. I love Diablo 2.

And guess what? I........Love.........Diablo..........3. That's right.

You know why? Because I understand and embrace changes. I don't want Diablo 2 with a big 3 slapped onto it. I want the next best thing. And this is it.

I think a lot of people remember some old friend that they had fun with and was very close to years ago. But when they meet him several years later he is no longer the same person.  You get very dis appointed and you want your old friend back. He is no longer interested in doing things that you did 15 years ago. You would still love that. He is different but you are more or less the same.

I think when you compare D2 and D3 its almost the same feeling. Its that "old friend" that is different. You miss him. But he is no longer the person you liked.

When a company release a sequel there is always a risk that customers and veterans in general will feel like that. If they change to much. And if they change things that veterans think are defining and essential it can be a mistake. A lot of people dont like change. At least not if they have nostalgic feelings about something.

Originally posted by Hurvart

Originally posted by BizkitNL

Originally posted by Fadedbomb

Originally posted by Omnifish

Originally posted by Fadedbomb

Originally posted by Axxar

I don't think those add up to actually viable builds, though, so I don't like those kinds of number spraying. But the truth is Diablo 2 had a pretty small pool of viable builds, and Diablo 3s system has potential for many  less due to the dumbed down structure of the skill system.

Fixed that for you.

 

The new "skill system" they've implemented is pathetic. There's no way anyone who isn't trolling can seriously comment that the new system they have for Diablo 3 is in ANY way, shape, or form "better". Please stop trolling.

Nones trolling just because they might not agree with you.

I'd also suggest you don't go around editing what people have said just becasue they don't  fit in with your, 'It's not Diablo I with better graphics, so it's crap', argument.

But I guess you played Diablo I loads so you know better huh? Your entitled to your opinion but seriously don't post on a public forum if your not prepared for some views that don't fit in with your own.

They ARE, in fact, trolling when they outright claim that the newer system has "more viable" combinations than the old system. Just because they're trying to outlandishly defend the game for its worse points, and YOU want the game to not be attacked for said horrible points does NOT make me a troll.

It means I'm not willing to sit on the side lines and let people, yet again, just accept anything Blizzard makes without a haphazard "WHY DID YOU DO THIS?!".

 

Seriously, I'm frustrated because the MAJORITY of the replies, PMs, and replies on other Action-RPg forums are in agreement with me. Yet, the minority of Casual players, or people whom have never played Diablo before, are crying foul. 

 

Look, I'm sorry, but if Blizzard made World of Warcraft 2, and it was in the design of STAR WARS GALAXIES you would cry foul like no other. Diablo 3 is that EXACT scenario for Diablo fans so please go somewhere else! :(

 

-Faded

Stop this bullshit. Who made you the diablo-fan spokesperson?

I love Diablo. I love Diablo 2.

And guess what? I........Love.........Diablo..........3. That's right.

You know why? Because I understand and embrace changes. I don't want Diablo 2 with a big 3 slapped onto it. I want the next best thing. And this is it.

I think a lot of people remember some old friend that they had fun with and was very close to years ago. But when they meet him several years later he is no longer the same person.  You get very dis appointed and you want your old friend back. He is no longer interested in doing things that you did 15 years ago. You would still love that. He is different but you are more or less the same.

I think when you compare D2 and D3 its almost the same feeling. Its that "old friend" that is different. You miss him. But he is no longer the person you liked.

When a company release a sequel there is always a risk that customers and veterans in general will feel like that. If they change to much. And if they change things that veterans think are defining and essential it can be a mistake. A lot of people dont like change. At least not if they have nostalgic feelings about something.

Actually, I regret having posted that. It has come to my attention that FadedBomb is on a crusade against Diablo 3, so he'll basically say anything to shoot it down.

Wasted time, I'm afraid. (I still hear your point though.)

Originally posted by BizkitNL

Originally posted by Hurvart

Originally posted by BizkitNL

Originally posted by Fadedbomb

Originally posted by Omnifish

Originally posted by Fadedbomb

Originally posted by Axxar

I don't think those add up to actually viable builds, though, so I don't like those kinds of number spraying. But the truth is Diablo 2 had a pretty small pool of viable builds, and Diablo 3s system has potential for many  less due to the dumbed down structure of the skill system.

Fixed that for you.

 

The new "skill system" they've implemented is pathetic. There's no way anyone who isn't trolling can seriously comment that the new system they have for Diablo 3 is in ANY way, shape, or form "better". Please stop trolling.

Nones trolling just because they might not agree with you.

I'd also suggest you don't go around editing what people have said just becasue they don't  fit in with your, 'It's not Diablo I with better graphics, so it's crap', argument.

But I guess you played Diablo I loads so you know better huh? Your entitled to your opinion but seriously don't post on a public forum if your not prepared for some views that don't fit in with your own.

They ARE, in fact, trolling when they outright claim that the newer system has "more viable" combinations than the old system. Just because they're trying to outlandishly defend the game for its worse points, and YOU want the game to not be attacked for said horrible points does NOT make me a troll.

It means I'm not willing to sit on the side lines and let people, yet again, just accept anything Blizzard makes without a haphazard "WHY DID YOU DO THIS?!".

 

Seriously, I'm frustrated because the MAJORITY of the replies, PMs, and replies on other Action-RPg forums are in agreement with me. Yet, the minority of Casual players, or people whom have never played Diablo before, are crying foul. 

 

Look, I'm sorry, but if Blizzard made World of Warcraft 2, and it was in the design of STAR WARS GALAXIES you would cry foul like no other. Diablo 3 is that EXACT scenario for Diablo fans so please go somewhere else! :(

 

-Faded

Stop this bullshit. Who made you the diablo-fan spokesperson?

I love Diablo. I love Diablo 2.

And guess what? I........Love.........Diablo..........3. That's right.

You know why? Because I understand and embrace changes. I don't want Diablo 2 with a big 3 slapped onto it. I want the next best thing. And this is it.

I think a lot of people remember some old friend that they had fun with and was very close to years ago. But when they meet him several years later he is no longer the same person.  You get very dis appointed and you want your old friend back. He is no longer interested in doing things that you did 15 years ago. You would still love that. He is different but you are more or less the same.

I think when you compare D2 and D3 its almost the same feeling. Its that "old friend" that is different. You miss him. But he is no longer the person you liked.

When a company release a sequel there is always a risk that customers and veterans in general will feel like that. If they change to much. And if they change things that veterans think are defining and essential it can be a mistake. A lot of people dont like change. At least not if they have nostalgic feelings about something.

Actually, I regret having posted that. It has come to my attention that FadedBomb is on a crusade against Diablo 3, so he'll basically say anything to shoot it down.

Wasted time, I'm afraid. (I still hear your point though.)

Just ignore him, D3 is a great game that's all that matters. Btw PoE sucks.

I don't see how anyone can be surprised by what the current diablo looks like. Was SC2 fundamentally different from SC1? No, neither is D3.

Multiplayer games these days focus on one thing: getting as many people to play as possible. Which means: they have to be very easy to understand and piss easy. If people don't understand everything right away, they stop playing. Same if they keep dying.

Originally posted by maji

I don't see how anyone can be surprised by what the current diablo looks like. Was SC2 fundamentally different from SC1? No, neither is D3.

Multiplayer games these days focus on one thing: getting as many people to play as possible. Which means: they have to be very easy to understand and piss easy. If people don't understand everything right away, they stop playing. Same if they keep dying.

But, SC2 was fundamentally different than SC1? As is Diablo 3 compared to 1 or 2? I'm confused as to what you're saying overall :(.

However, I agree completely with the 2nd part you mention about Multiplayer games :)!

I think D3 is pretty good, I like it so far from what I have played in the beta... 

the only reason I haven't pre-orded it is that I don't have the coin for it, but yeah I like it and so far find it quite fun.. 

Originally posted by Draxonfly

I think D3 is pretty good, I like it so far from what I have played in the beta... 

the only reason I haven't pre-orded it is that I don't have the coin for it, but yeah I like it and so far find it quite fun.. 

 

That's all that should matter for you personally. Whether YOU like it or not is completely your deal :). I wish you had coin :(

Originally posted by Loke666

Originally posted by Scypheroth

I LOVE how u got all thsi from a beta game play that is very short and you really cant get anythign outta it...and im gonan say u prob just got into the beta on this weekend so u dont knwo how many changes actually went down...i agree with some of your posts but the one that grinds my gears is the difficulty...YOU PLAYED A 30 MINS BETA IN ACT 1 ON EASY!!!!!

ill be buyin it cuz i love diablo and frankly every MMRPG that is being realeaed including GW2 just looks like utter shit...i have longed for a town down clicker and this hits the spot...

Love how ppl can judge a game from a realyl short Beta game play...

You are right that playing a short demo (this is really a demo, not a beta) wont give you a fair score but anyone can still weed out plenty of games in that time.

As someone else said do I think Blizzard made a serious misstake here, if they just made this game set in the same world as Wow or something new there would be little whining, but they took a classic game serie and turned it into something else.

That is a big misstake since it alienates the old fans.

I have a feeling that almost all bad reviews will be from old D 1 & 2 fans while almost all good will be from players who never played the old games.

That you think this looks good and GW2 looks bad is odd in my eyes, but I guess that is a mtter of taste. But I bet you never played the original Diablo.

Something tells me that they want in purpose to alienate the d1 and 2 fans.

Originally posted by Fadedbomb

Originally posted by maji

I don't see how anyone can be surprised by what the current diablo looks like. Was SC2 fundamentally different from SC1? No, neither is D3.

Multiplayer games these days focus on one thing: getting as many people to play as possible. Which means: they have to be very easy to understand and piss easy. If people don't understand everything right away, they stop playing. Same if they keep dying.

But, SC2 was fundamentally different than SC1? As is Diablo 3 compared to 1 or 2? I'm confused as to what you're saying overall :(.

 

However, I agree completely with the 2nd part you mention about Multiplayer games :)!

SC2 game mechanics are very similar to SC1.

Which is why the SC2 pro-scene is seeing an accelerated growth in metagaming compared to SC1 in the same time span.

1 base all in -> Timing attacks -> macro / build order

Blizzard is known for evolution rather than revolution and D3 (for all intents and purposes) looks like an advanced version of D2.

That's cool as D2 has a huge playerbase and D3 will be larger. I for one love the lore and can't wait till I see what's next. :)

Originally posted by Zefire

Originally posted by Loke666

Originally posted by Scypheroth

I LOVE how u got all thsi from a beta game play that is very short and you really cant get anythign outta it...and im gonan say u prob just got into the beta on this weekend so u dont knwo how many changes actually went down...i agree with some of your posts but the one that grinds my gears is the difficulty...YOU PLAYED A 30 MINS BETA IN ACT 1 ON EASY!!!!!

ill be buyin it cuz i love diablo and frankly every MMRPG that is being realeaed including GW2 just looks like utter shit...i have longed for a town down clicker and this hits the spot...

Love how ppl can judge a game from a realyl short Beta game play...

You are right that playing a short demo (this is really a demo, not a beta) wont give you a fair score but anyone can still weed out plenty of games in that time.

As someone else said do I think Blizzard made a serious misstake here, if they just made this game set in the same world as Wow or something new there would be little whining, but they took a classic game serie and turned it into something else.

That is a big misstake since it alienates the old fans.

I have a feeling that almost all bad reviews will be from old D 1 & 2 fans while almost all good will be from players who never played the old games.

That you think this looks good and GW2 looks bad is odd in my eyes, but I guess that is a mtter of taste. But I bet you never played the original Diablo.

Something tells me that they want in purpose to alienate the d1 and 2 fans.

I highly doubt they purposely made Diablo 3 to "alienate" the d1 & d2 fans, however it does feel like they didn't care at all in some parts of the game. Except for the parts I outlined in green that harekend back to Diablo 1 and give you a nostalgic feeling :).

I'm on the fence with that really. I just wish Diablo 3 was what it should have been, and not what it is now unfortunately.

Originally posted by jpnz

Originally posted by Fadedbomb

Originally posted by maji

I don't see how anyone can be surprised by what the current diablo looks like. Was SC2 fundamentally different from SC1? No, neither is D3.

Multiplayer games these days focus on one thing: getting as many people to play as possible. Which means: they have to be very easy to understand and piss easy. If people don't understand everything right away, they stop playing. Same if they keep dying.

But, SC2 was fundamentally different than SC1? As is Diablo 3 compared to 1 or 2? I'm confused as to what you're saying overall :(.

 

However, I agree completely with the 2nd part you mention about Multiplayer games :)!

SC2 game mechanics are very similar to SC1.

Which is why the SC2 pro-scene is seeing an accelerated growth in metagaming compared to SC1 in the same time span.

1 base all in -> Timing attacks -> macro / build order

 

Blizzard is known for evolution rather than revolution and D3 (for all intents and purposes) looks like an advanced version of D2.

That's cool as D2 has a huge playerbase and D3 will be larger. I for one love the lore and can't wait till I see what's next. :)

I'll agree with you on SC2. 

However D3 doesn't look like D2 whatsoever. Just because you have that top-view camera with click mouse controls doesn't make it "like" Diablo 2 unfortunately. Diablo 2 had a LOT more depth that D3 has unfortunately.

Originally posted by Fadedbomb

 

I'll agree with you on SC2. 

 

However D3 doesn't look like D2 whatsoever. Just because you have that top-view camera with click mouse controls doesn't make it "like" Diablo 2 unfortunately. Diablo 2 had a LOT more depth that D3 has unfortunately.

D2 also was brutally unforgiving to new players until Blizzard decided to 'fix' the problem by the whole 'synergy'. Since you couldn't 'respec' it wasn't uncommon for casual players to 'grind' levels. This is bad as Blizzard is huge on 'casual' players.

Doesn't the gem system give you customization though?

Originally posted by Fadedbomb

Originally posted by BizkitNL

Originally posted by Hurvart

Originally posted by BizkitNL

Originally posted by Fadedbomb

Originally posted by Omnifish

Originally posted by Fadedbomb

Originally posted by Axxar

 

 

 

 

 

Actually, I regret having posted that. It has come to my attention that FadedBomb is on a crusade against Diablo 3, so he'll basically say anything to shoot it down.

Wasted time, I'm afraid. (I still hear your point though.)

So because I destroyed your argument in another thread with facts, to the point that you abandoned it all together with "you're just not listening!" you came to ANOTHER thread to troll me?

I'm NOt on a "Crusader" against Diablo 3. What I am trying to do is, again, give people a clearer picture of what Diablo 3 IS and IS NOT.

 

I'm also not a POE craze addict. I actually stopped playing that recently while I wait for a LOT more content. However, people who outright say that Diablo 3's skill system has more customization than POE are outright trolls and lieing. Most of whom I see are trying to fool themselves into thinking that Diablo 3 is better by not even looking at POE's skill system. It's fine though, I understand the mentality behind lieing to yourself. 

 

However, don't come into another thread and start outright trolling. I didn't report you because I know how overzealous the mods are here.

 

I've pointed out CLEAR, well written, and decent outlooks upon which Diablo 3 has FAILED outright as a Diablo franchise. Simply saying "Oh he'll say anything" when most are agreeing with me is childish.

You didnt destroy my argument, you toon. You opened up on PoE features that were offtopic. The OP there made a literal comparison of PoE's skilltree with D3's skills. Thats it. But you suddenly start off on all sorts of other things that, in your opinion, make PoE better. That wasnt the topic at hand.

Not to mention you keep calling me a troll......Sheesh.

Now, enough about your hatred for diablo 3. I dont care. Like I said before, keep fooling yourself.

Originally posted by BizkitNL

Originally posted by Fadedbomb

Originally posted by BizkitNL

Originally posted by Hurvart

Originally posted by BizkitNL

Originally posted by Fadedbomb

Originally posted by Omnifish

Originally posted by Fadedbomb

Originally posted by Axxar

 

 

 

 

 

Actually, I regret having posted that. It has come to my attention that FadedBomb is on a crusade against Diablo 3, so he'll basically say anything to shoot it down.

Wasted time, I'm afraid. (I still hear your point though.)

So because I destroyed your argument in another thread with facts, to the point that you abandoned it all together with "you're just not listening!" you came to ANOTHER thread to troll me?

I'm NOt on a "Crusader" against Diablo 3. What I am trying to do is, again, give people a clearer picture of what Diablo 3 IS and IS NOT.

 

I'm also not a POE craze addict. I actually stopped playing that recently while I wait for a LOT more content. However, people who outright say that Diablo 3's skill system has more customization than POE are outright trolls and lieing. Most of whom I see are trying to fool themselves into thinking that Diablo 3 is better by not even looking at POE's skill system. It's fine though, I understand the mentality behind lieing to yourself. 

 

However, don't come into another thread and start outright trolling. I didn't report you because I know how overzealous the mods are here.

 

I've pointed out CLEAR, well written, and decent outlooks upon which Diablo 3 has FAILED outright as a Diablo franchise. Simply saying "Oh he'll say anything" when most are agreeing with me is childish.

You didnt destroy my argument, you toon. You opened up on PoE features that were offtopic. The OP there made a literal comparison of PoE's skilltree with D3's skills. Thats it. But you suddenly start off on all sorts of other things that, in your opinion, make PoE better. That wasnt the topic at hand.

Not to mention you keep calling me a troll......Sheesh.

Now, enough about your hatred for diablo 3. I dont care. Like I said before, keep fooling yourself.

I opened up with POe comparisons? I replied to YOU making OFF TOPIC POE fabrications. You were literally saying "+1% to crit" etc from POE's tree. 

Unless you were talking about Diablo 3's skill system and just forgot to properly point to that fact then fine I overreacted, but if you were talking about POE's skill tree, like your post suggests, then I was right in outlining the exagerations you made mate.