I wish the Repopulation team luck. In all honesty, I believe a small talented group with passion, teamwork and focused ambition can be far more effective than large dysfunctional teams.

Originally posted by Obraik

Originally posted by Bob_Blawblaw

To answer the question that is the title of this thread, HELL YEAH I enjoyed cities in SWG.

Player cities were one of the biggest factors in SWG having an insanely tight community.

 

As for "The Repopulation"... good luck with that. Looks like a neat tech demo, a bit ambitious for a small group of volunteers. Would I play it if it was a fully funded and fully realized product? HELL YEAH... but I'm not holding my breath.

It is ambitious, however I do hold hope that this will eventuate.  The state of MMO's at the moment is quite sad at the moment in terms of diversity - the market really needs something like the Repopulation to give something to those of us that are looking for more than a WoW cookiee cutter.

The issue is that The Repop is ambitious in the wrong way. They're trying to out-tech the guys with the multi-million dollar R&D departments. High tech costs money. LOTS of money. Staggering amounts of money. Sadly, the people who control the staggering amounts of money typically want to fund the WoW cookiecutters (oh hai SWTOR!) for a quick return. 

Sadly, typically, even if a publisher found The Repop an interesting idea, there's no way they would fund a project that big led by a team so wet behind the ears.

The Repop team should have done 1 of two things:

1) Find Howard Hughs heir, convince said heir to fund them. (or this guy)

2) Make a game more akin to Minecraft (ie: cut corners while not sacrificing inginuity and gameplay), to prove themselves to a publisher before making the pitch for The Repop.

Originally posted by Bob_Blawblaw

Originally posted by Obraik

Originally posted by Bob_Blawblaw

To answer the question that is the title of this thread, HELL YEAH I enjoyed cities in SWG.

Player cities were one of the biggest factors in SWG having an insanely tight community.

 

As for "The Repopulation"... good luck with that. Looks like a neat tech demo, a bit ambitious for a small group of volunteers. Would I play it if it was a fully funded and fully realized product? HELL YEAH... but I'm not holding my breath.

It is ambitious, however I do hold hope that this will eventuate.  The state of MMO's at the moment is quite sad at the moment in terms of diversity - the market really needs something like the Repopulation to give something to those of us that are looking for more than a WoW cookiee cutter.

The issue is that The Repop is ambitious in the wrong way. They're trying to out-tech the guys with the multi-million dollar R&D departments. High tech costs money. LOTS of money. Staggering amounts of money. Sadly, the people who control the staggering amounts of money typically want to fund the WoW cookiecutters (oh hai SWTOR!) for a quick return. 

Sadly, typically, even if a publisher found The Repop an interesting idea, there's no way they would fund a project that big led by a team so wet behind the ears.

The Repop team should have done 1 of two things:

1) Find Howard Hughs heir, convince said heir to fund them. (or this guy)

2) Make a game more akin to Minecraft (ie: cut corners while not sacrificing inginuity and gameplay), to prove themselves to a publisher before making the pitch for The Repop.

I'm an optimisitc person, so combine that with wishful thinking and I'd like to believe that they could pull it off :)  Everything big starts off with something small - when MMO's were a new concept their founding studios couldn't have been much bigger and now some of those companies are massive companies. 

Most investors out there are going with the WoW cookiee cutters, but there's got to be some that actually do have some intelligence and want a game that can go along with that, right?  

I know people will boo and hiss, but SOE has said they'd like to revist the sandbox genre now that they've lost SWG.  SOE of all the MMO companies do have a more varried variety of MMO's compared to most.  They have their WoW cookiee cutters (EQ/EQ2) but then they have some that are quite different, like Planetside. 

  Not realy...great concept but it made the worlds feel smaller...and the player cities never looked as good as the NPC cities.....it just seemed most players wanted more space to store things they were hoarding , which had the effect of cluttering up and lagging out large swaths of gameplay area...Once agian great concept ...poor execution

Actually I hated the cities in SWG. As a poster here already said, they were just places to store your junk. I can see why crafters liked it, but for a non crafter such as me they were wastes of space. I did like the mayoral system and I enjoyed doing things with our guild in the city, but I just think it was poorly implemented.

Having said that, I will be keeping an eye on the Re-population. It's very early, but it looks intriguing. THAT is how a real city should be built in a game. I hope they keep it all confined to certain areas and don't make the mistake SWG did of allowing sprawl.

They were creepy ghost towns.

Originally posted by ktanner3

Actually I hated the cities in SWG. As a poster here already said, they were just places to store your junk. I can see why crafters liked it, but for a non crafter such as me they were wastes of space. I did like the mayoral system and I enjoyed doing things with our guild in the city, but I just think it was poorly implemented.

 

Once the city pack up system got implemented cities were no longer used for storage, but houses were. Storage houses were then placed outisde cities to prevent getting packed up.

It could have been implemeneted better, and SOE should have listened to Cigaran more.

They were a good timesink, even in its flawed state, and kept people playing after hitting max level, but If done right, would have been so much better, and worthwhile to be in any MMO.

Originally posted by RefMinor
I am looking forward to it.

Me too. I want to see what they do with this. Even though Hero engine worries me a bit. Good to see you Ref :)

Originally posted by Obraik

I know people will boo and hiss, but SOE has said they'd like to revist the sandbox genre now that they've lost SWG.  SOE of all the MMO companies do have a more varried variety of MMO's compared to most.  They have their WoW cookiee cutters (EQ/EQ2) but then they have some that are quite different, like Planetside. 

Couple things here...

1.) Everquest was NOT a WOW cookie cutter. Everquest came out long before WOW did. Plus Everquest 2 launched around the same time as World of Warcraft did.

2.)  After SWG, Matrix Online,Vanguard ,DC Universe Online, and the theft of personal data debacle, I don't see why anyone would give SOE their money.

I loved the housing system, but I didn't care for the open world housing since it made for bad lag and rubberbanding. If they could take that system and put it on one planet dedicated to housing, it would be great for me.

Originally posted by ktanner3

Originally posted by Obraik

I know people will boo and hiss, but SOE has said they'd like to revist the sandbox genre now that they've lost SWG.  SOE of all the MMO companies do have a more varried variety of MMO's compared to most.  They have their WoW cookiee cutters (EQ/EQ2) but then they have some that are quite different, like Planetside. 

Couple things here...

1.) Everquest was NOT a WOW cookie cutter. Everquest came out long before WOW did.

2.)  After SWG, Matrix Online,Vanguard ,DC Universe Online, and the theft of personal data debacle, I don't see why anyone would give SOE their money.

SWG did have a loyal fanbase and was a succes at release.

VAnguard was an EA production all the way. SOE only bought the game when EA stopped developing it.  SAdly they never invested in finishing it.

DCUO is probably the best action MMORPG aropund right now.

The tefth of personal data, will and has happened to almost all other big players.

SOE is not better, nor worse then all the other big players. But they have also the longest learning curve, and are still improving despite their mistakes in the past.

Originally posted by Lord.Bachus

SWG did have a loyal fanbase and was a succes at release.

....and then SOE pissed on the loyal fanbase with the NGE. Not to mention they lied about what they were doing for months. What a great company.

VAnguard was an EA production all the way. SOE only bought the game when EA stopped developing it.  SAdly they never invested in finishing it.

And this counters my argument how?

DCUO is probably the best action MMORPG aropund right now.

That very few play.

The tefth of personal data, will and has happened to almost all other big players.

No it hasn't.

 SOE is not better, nor worse then all the other big players. But they have also the longest learning curve, and are still improving despite their mistakes in the past.

Sorry, but some mistakes are unforgivable.

 

Originally posted by ktanner3

Originally posted by Lord.Bachus

SWG did have a loyal fanbase and was a succes at release.

....and then SOE pissed on the loyal fanbase with the NGE. Not to mention they lied about what they were doing for months. What a great company.

SOE developed the content to do what LEC wanted it to be after the CU and Pre-CU  versions Failed to gain 1m+  subs.

VAnguard was an EA production all the way. SOE only bought the game when EA stopped developing it.  SAdly they never invested in finishing it.

And this counters my argument how?

It proves that EA could screw up a wet dream.

It also proves that SOE isn't just shutting down games they run when subs drop belong what people consider 'profitable.'

SOE is not better, nor worse then all the other big players. But they have also the longest learning curve, and are still improving despite their mistakes in the past.

Sorry, but some mistakes are unforgivable.

Thats a childish viewpoint for a GAME.

 

Originally posted by hipiap

Sorry, but some mistakes are unforgivable.

Thats a childish viewpoint for a GAME.

 No, it's the same grown up viewpoint that most customers have towards any company and its products. I fail to see why games should be treated any differently. I notice on this site that many posters have a negative view of EA. Would you consider them childish by refusing to pay for any EA products? I wouldn't. Clearly they have a beef with EA and are exercising their right as consumers by not giving them money. If you're okay with companies screwing you over  and providing shoddy service then be my guest. But don't belittle others for not taking it.

 

I totally love how people get pissed at SoE, but then they let Lucas completely off the hook, for my money, my bet is on the NGE/CU NEVER happening, if it wasn't for Lucas.....Never seen a mmo before SWG change like they did, you don't rewrite your game, you try to fix what is wrong or add more content within the context of the game....Not try to make it something different...

Lucas loves to tinker, and if TOR's subs keep falling, he may NGE it and piss off a whole new generation of mmo players...I hope he doesn't for their sake....Although I wouldn't feel too bad for some of the loud mouths that find it funny, and run around acting like SWG players deserved it...

Originally posted by ktanner3

Originally posted by hipiap

Sorry, but some mistakes are unforgivable.

Thats a childish viewpoint for a GAME.

 No, it's the same grown up viewpoint that most customers have towards any company and its products. I fail to see why games should be treated any differently. I notice on this site that many posters have a negative view of EA. Would you consider them childish by refusing to pay for any EA products? I wouldn't. Clearly they have a beef with EA and are exercising their right as consumers by not giving them money. If you're okay with companies screwing you over  and providing shoddy service then be my guest. But don't belittle others for not taking it.

 

 

Xthos makes a great point about how all you Hard Core 'pre-nge/pre-cu" complainers always forget to BLAME LA/LEC for their involvement with the changes to SWG while you bend over backwards and scream that SOE is the devil.

And then bend over for TOR and not 7 months later find out that EA running a SW game is worse than taking it up the tailpipe in prison from a Con named Bull

Originally posted by Obraik

They were one of the (many) things that made SWG stand out from the other MMO's available, however it looks like The Repopulation has taken the concept and is adding all the stuff we wanted to see happen with cities in SWG.  Their video demo of it kind of shows it off pretty well: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRfQvwAuesQ

As with most of the systems in SWG it was a good idea with bad implimentation.  from the minute cities were added we were stuck dealing with ghost towns etc. I thought for the first month or so though it was a great experience.

Originally posted by hipiap

 

And then bend over for TOR and not 7 months later find out that EA running a SW game is worse than taking it up the tailpipe in prison from a Con named Bull

I've never had a problem with EA, so you're barking up the wrong tree there. Until you pay my salary, I'll be the one to decide where my dollars go. What I'm curious about, is why are you going out of your way to excuse SOE? Like I said, if you want to keep throwing your money at them, be my guest. What difference does it make what I do? Apparently, Planetside 2 is on the way to save the day along with EQ Next. Have fun. Hopefully your experience will be better than others have had with SOE games.

Please return to the topic of the thread and don't turn this into an EA-SOE-NGE discussion. Create another thread for that discussion if you wish to have it.

If this game is anything like SWG pre CU or even CU i would very mMMuch like to play it. I'm sick of MMO's at the moment. TOR is rubbish and cookie cutter. Thanks for the post