Originally posted by Mechanism
I'd love for swtor to be a better game but how will my silence about its issues do any good?

People say the devs don't listen to you, so how does your bitching help?

Originally posted by ktanner3

Exactly.

I love the people that complain about the lack of group mechanics and yet don't join guilds. If you guys really care that much about grouping and being able to play with your "type" of player, why aren't you in a guild?

Really? Because I never join a guild usually until the higher levels in these games after I have gotten a feel for the guilds and players out there on my server. Only game I ever had trouble grouping like I did in this one however to a much lesser extent was LotR due to the chained book quests making it tough to find players at times on the same part as yourself (back when they were mostly group oriented). The game design and lack of a unified global chat channel makes it incredibly difficult if you happen to be on a less populated server. Incidentally, there were more than a few players I ran across that were in guilds that still complained or appeared to have trouble finding groups in this game. So being in a guild is not an answer for everything. Nor is it necessary from games I have played. The benefit of them for me has always been the community aspect, bartering/crafting, and raiding come end game.

Hating on TOR and it's "fundamental design flaws" is sooooo 4 months ago.

Originally posted by Giddian

Do people have nothing beter to do than to post negative things about a game they clearly don't like?  Does it do anything?  I play the game because I enjoy it. and there will be those who don't.  So my suggestion to all those people who think their opinion is in the Majority, Make that perfect game yourself since you know so much more than the Devs. I would love to see what you come up with. Last I saw SWTOR had 1.7 M Subs. that's NOT a Fail. has the numbers gone DOwn? Yes, Are some servers baron? Yes. They will combine servers and all will be good. But it doesnt matter. Negative people will continue to complain to make themselves feel better.   Play a Game you Like and quit complaining about ones you don't. Do us ALL that favor

Do us all a favor and stick to the official heavily moderated forums if you don't like negativity. These forums  belong to neither EAware nor their fanbots and as such, people can give their opinions as they see fit regardless of whether or not YOU like it.

Door's that way ----->.

Originally posted by WhiteLantern

Hating on TOR and it's "fundamental design flaws" is sooooo 4 months ago.

Maybe for you it is but for those new to the game or wish to discuss the matter still it isn't at all.

Besides that comeback is about as dated as you can get.

Originally posted by WhiteLantern

Hating on TOR and it's "fundamental design flaws" is sooooo 4 months ago.

Come on, what would some of these people talk about if they couldn't whine about a game over and over that they have no interest in?

Originally posted by eyeswideopen

Originally posted by Giddian

Do people have nothing beter to do than to post negative things about a game they clearly don't like?  Does it do anything?  I play the game because I enjoy it. and there will be those who don't.  So my suggestion to all those people who think their opinion is in the Majority, Make that perfect game yourself since you know so much more than the Devs. I would love to see what you come up with. Last I saw SWTOR had 1.7 M Subs. that's NOT a Fail. has the numbers gone DOwn? Yes, Are some servers baron? Yes. They will combine servers and all will be good. But it doesnt matter. Negative people will continue to complain to make themselves feel better.   Play a Game you Like and quit complaining about ones you don't. Do us ALL that favor

Do us all a favor and stick to the official heavily moderated forums if you don't like negativity. These forums  belong to neither EAware nor their fanbots and as such, people can give their opinions as they see fit regardless of whether or not YOU like it.

Door's that way ----->.

and for all the Crybaby's   <------- Door's That Way

Originally posted by Giddian

Originally posted by eyeswideopen

Originally posted by Giddian

Do people have nothing beter to do than to post negative things about a game they clearly don't like?  Does it do anything?  I play the game because I enjoy it. and there will be those who don't.  So my suggestion to all those people who think their opinion is in the Majority, Make that perfect game yourself since you know so much more than the Devs. I would love to see what you come up with. Last I saw SWTOR had 1.7 M Subs. that's NOT a Fail. has the numbers gone DOwn? Yes, Are some servers baron? Yes. They will combine servers and all will be good. But it doesnt matter. Negative people will continue to complain to make themselves feel better.   Play a Game you Like and quit complaining about ones you don't. Do us ALL that favor

Do us all a favor and stick to the official heavily moderated forums if you don't like negativity. These forums  belong to neither EAware nor their fanbots and as such, people can give their opinions as they see fit regardless of whether or not YOU like it.

Door's that way ----->.

and for all the Crybaby's   <------- Door's That Way

You're not understanding. You have no pull here. No mods to call and have them delete all the bad things you don't like said about SWToR. The "crybabies" as you call them are just as welcome as the sycophants.

This game ultimately failed because it was designed to be a single-player game with some MMO elements sprinkled in.

Not quite complete enough of a single-player title to make it good for single-player fans, and not quite complete enough of a MMO to make it good for MMO fans. 

Originally posted by Denambren

This game ultimately failed because it was designed to be a single-player game with some MMO elements sprinkled in.

 

Not quite complete enough of a single-player title to make it good for single-player fans, and not quite complete enough of a MMO to make it good for MMO fans. 

Some of you guys have a very weird standard for failed MMOs. I guess  all the people I see in fleet that are queing for Warzones along with all of us that group every week for operations missed the memo that TOR has failed and we should save our money for whatever MMO meets your guys high and mighty standards. What MMO out there should we all be playing?

Originally posted by eyeswideopen

Originally posted by Giddian

Originally posted by eyeswideopen

Originally posted by Giddian

Do people have nothing beter to do than to post negative things about a game they clearly don't like?  Does it do anything?  I play the game because I enjoy it. and there will be those who don't.  So my suggestion to all those people who think their opinion is in the Majority, Make that perfect game yourself since you know so much more than the Devs. I would love to see what you come up with. Last I saw SWTOR had 1.7 M Subs. that's NOT a Fail. has the numbers gone DOwn? Yes, Are some servers baron? Yes. They will combine servers and all will be good. But it doesnt matter. Negative people will continue to complain to make themselves feel better.   Play a Game you Like and quit complaining about ones you don't. Do us ALL that favor

Do us all a favor and stick to the official heavily moderated forums if you don't like negativity. These forums  belong to neither EAware nor their fanbots and as such, people can give their opinions as they see fit regardless of whether or not YOU like it.

Door's that way ----->.

and for all the Crybaby's   <------- Door's That Way

You're not understanding. You have no pull here. No mods to call and have them delete all the bad things you don't like said about SWToR. The "crybabies" as you call them are just as welcome as the sycophants.

Correct, the Same pull as a Whiner. No pull, just here to piss on peoples games to make themselves feel better

Originally posted by ktanner3

Originally posted by Denambren

This game ultimately failed because it was designed to be a single-player game with some MMO elements sprinkled in.

 

Not quite complete enough of a single-player title to make it good for single-player fans, and not quite complete enough of a MMO to make it good for MMO fans. 

Some of you guys have a very weird standard for failed MMOs. I guess  all the people I see in fleet that are queing for Warzones along with all of us that group every week for operations missed the memo that TOR has failed and we should save our money for whatever MMO meets your guys high and mighty standards.

What MMO out there should we all be playing? *

*SWTOR with less servers, and F2P, for a start!

Just because you see loads in the fleet on your server(s) does not mean all servers have as many people, and that is assuming that your findings is not just based on this week alone with 1.2 and the motivation to get to legacy level 6 by 22nd temporarily boosting the populations

i know on gardens of talla, the server i was on before i left. the population standard/heavy during peak hours. The server is Light during peak hours.

the before my sub ran out i logged in to see and there were , i think 2 heavy servers, alot of standards and a few light servers. 

It's not much of a opinion anymore, the game peaked and is continually losing subs. It's safe to say that the game will steady out in about 3 more months. The next content patch will either make or break people who are frustrated but have hope. Speculation on that part but , it's a continuing trend with the wow clones.

with the ME3 debacle and DA2 , i wonder what's really going on over there at bioware. They can't be happy with themselves. 

i got my money's worth out of swtor, but it's not worth 15 dollars a month. Anyone paying that really should unsub and maybe enough cancellations will get the point across.

I really want the game to get better. I grew up on star wars , being 34 years old. I am insulted by the space combat, the theme park style gameplay, and the lack of anything innovative. TBH , wow despite it's age offers so much more substance. a sharded universe....ffs bioware.

dissapointing to see another mmo with so much potential try to capitalize off another's idea. bioware.....should have said no to EA as well.

[quote] [i]Originally posted by Wickedjelly[/i] Really? Because I never join a guild usually until the higher levels in these games after I have gotten a feel for the guilds and players out there on my server. [/quote]

Yes, I'm the same way. I want to join a guild only after getting to know the people in it for a bit. In SWTOR I found myself joining guilds just to see content, and even after three different guilds I still couldn't get groups together because there was never enough around the same level AND on when I was. I felt like a total jerk too. I've always been against guild hopping, and here I was doing it because the game was pretty much forcing me to.

I don't like to be "burned through" content by higher level players either. Where's the fun in that?

Oh, and for the person whining about us that voice our issues with SWTOR, most probably do it for the same reasons I do. Hoping that someone that's involved in making future games is reading and won't make the same bonehead decisions this development team has, and maybe this development team will eventually have to pay some consequence for the bonehead decisions they made. Remote chance I know, but what the heck. It's also therapeutic after wasting one's hard earned money on a game that had such promise, and watching that promise get squandered by a development team that couldn't pull their heads out of each other's arses and put in features that now should be in every modern MMO from the get go.

Originally posted by eyeswideopen

Originally posted by Giddian

Do people have nothing beter to do than to post negative things about a game they clearly don't like?  Does it do anything?  I play the game because I enjoy it. and there will be those who don't.  So my suggestion to all those people who think their opinion is in the Majority, Make that perfect game yourself since you know so much more than the Devs. I would love to see what you come up with. Last I saw SWTOR had 1.7 M Subs. that's NOT a Fail. has the numbers gone DOwn? Yes, Are some servers baron? Yes. They will combine servers and all will be good. But it doesnt matter. Negative people will continue to complain to make themselves feel better.   Play a Game you Like and quit complaining about ones you don't. Do us ALL that favor

Do us all a favor and stick to the official heavily moderated forums if you don't like negativity. These forums  belong to neither EAware nor their fanbots and as such, people can give their opinions as they see fit regardless of whether or not YOU like it.

Door's that way ----->.

Agreed.

This site isn't owned by EA and isn't censored.

Go to swtor.com official forums if you want all non-fanboy posts deleted and their writers banned.

Everyone has a right to say what they think here, and discuss games openly.

Originally posted by Volarin

....You totally missed the main point that SWTOR did not work - that is the same old mmo game reskinned for star wars. People are sick to death of playing the same game, call it wow, tor, aion, it is all the same.

No originality, qyest, level, shit point and click combat, no death penalty, pointless concequenceless gameplay.

Thank God for PlanetSide 2, Eve and the Indi developers that are trying to drag this tired genre out of the mindless grip of Wow and it myriad of reskinned clone. Go fetch x of y my ass!

basically this.

Originally posted by Giddian

Do people have nothing beter to do than to post negative things about a game they clearly don't like?  Does it do anything?  I play the game because I enjoy it. and there will be those who don't.  So my suggestion to all those people who think their opinion is in the Majority, Make that perfect game yourself since you know so much more than the Devs. I would love to see what you come up with. Last I saw SWTOR had 1.7 M Subs. that's NOT a Fail. has the numbers gone DOwn? Yes, Are some servers baron? Yes. They will combine servers and all will be good. But it doesnt matter. Negative people will continue to complain to make themselves feel better.   Play a Game you Like and quit complaining about ones you don't. Do us ALL that favor

Don't you get annoyed by people who are clearly biased in favor of the game telling everyone else to STFU?  I get it.  You like TOR.  Others don't.  Their opinions are just as valid as yours here.

can we please stop this nonsense and actually say something of substance?  Go visit a thread you like, and quit complaining about ones you don't.  Do us ALL that favor.

Originally posted by ktanner3

Originally posted by Denambren

This game ultimately failed because it was designed to be a single-player game with some MMO elements sprinkled in.

 

Not quite complete enough of a single-player title to make it good for single-player fans, and not quite complete enough of a MMO to make it good for MMO fans. 

Some of you guys have a very weird standard for failed MMOs. I guess  all the people I see in fleet that are queing for Warzones along with all of us that group every week for operations missed the memo that TOR has failed and we should save our money for whatever MMO meets your guys high and mighty standards. What MMO out there should we all be playing?

Called deceptive advtertising.  The fleet?  That's probably 85-90% of the server, at least during the "off-peak" hours.  During "prime time" it is still more than half on most servers I'd be willing to wager.  So if you aren't on the fleet, you realize just how dead the game is. 

Same with warzones.  You don't know how many instances.  and with a precious limited amount, it can only look big, but maybe not.

This is why people who have a clue stick to things you can objectively measure, pop numbers, trends, etc.

We aren't saying you shouldn't play TOR.  If you like it, enjoy it.  Just don't come here with half-assed arguments while and expect anyone to be impressed, especially MMO vets who have seen all of this stuff before.

Lolwot serious? You put stupid flashpoints as a priority above the endgame PVP issues of expertise being OP? When you hit 50 (dont know if it's changed recently as I ragequit) you have to take constant ass kickings in order to gain enough valor or wins for your daily to have a small chance of getting a item at all, or one you need in fact. Rarely do you get an item and when you do it's something you ALREADY have.

This is the frustrating thing. Who gives a shit about under 50 flashpoints? You don't even need them lol. I and many others easily leveled without that crap. Also dont get me going on the kiosks... you have to be a bad player if you don't know how to read one....