I want to try to develop as wel some really alarming developpement , not yet developped tho, because the game is not out yet : Diablo 3

But still it is easy to see where it is going to go.

But first, Blizzard state :

The item-based nature of Diablo gameplay has always lent itself to an active trade-based ecosystem, and a significant part of this trade has been conducted through unsecure third-party            organizations. This has led to numerous customer-service and game-experience issues that we’ve needed to account for. Our primary goal with the Diablo III auction house system is for it to serve as the foundation for a player-driven economy that’s safe, fun, and accessible for everyone            .

Which is what the blizzard Public relation team came up with to go public, because this comment is only being created to ease the mind of the sceptical. (because blizzard put it very deep this time)

The bold truth is that all goldfarming activities took place in blizzard games. Without Blizzard getting money out of it ,  and that couldn't go on as they think without them getting paid.

Stating that it is for safety and fun is utterly bullshiitt.

In their game environement their wil only be more gold farmer trying to get  a liitle penny from those western player meanwhile a soort of slaver will make those sorry ass chinese work 16 hours straight to get that item that you player might buy for $9,99. ( totally random example)

To get this item at this price their will have teams of enslave people working around the clock in terrible condition to get to this very loot.

The worst is that the account selling the item is not from the players farming but from some rather rich chinese ganster that spit on those stupid western "customers" and he should.

And blizzard is just creating an opportunity for the company to get extra revenu while doing nothing but having created a market place with demands and offerts. ( are they so clever or is the public so stupid ?)

I beieve in sharing rather than owning something, in game you cannot own anything since it is and will stay the property of the game company, so would you buy an epic sword, unbelievably epic while having paid for it and having it in your inventory and still owning a sword that will never be yours. (and again how it might be farmed as wel )

I think nowadays banks are just doing that and everybody suffer from it. And yet it all goes on, and on, and on ......

You are about 6 months behind the curve, this news is now old & dusty & debated to death already.

Search is your friend.

Originally posted by Skuz

You are about 6 months behind the curve, this news is now old & dusty & debated to death already.

Search is your friend.

ah ok it has been talked about already

Sorry my mistake it does not worry me anymore because whomever talked about it already 6 month ago.

Thank you for sharing this rather interresting point of view on the matter at hand. just go on with been there done that and ofc whatever.

I assuming English isn't your first language as your post is hard to follow.  Anyways I just don't see how having an auction house in a game is bad or how that makes any difference to the Gold Farmers.  I certainly don't see any profit the game maker gets from an Auction House.

Nah it is all good.

All the teenagers who have nothing to do will now be competing with the gold farmers. Finally the playing field is leveled.

And i don't see the harm that i can now turn a good drop i cannot use into money.

Originally posted by buegur

I assuming English isn't your first language as your post is hard to follow.  Anyways I just don't see how having an auction house in a game is bad or how that makes any difference to the Gold Farmers.  I certainly don't see any profit the game maker gets from an Auction House.

They'll be farming drops to sell on the AH along with everyone else now.  But instead of there being a natural barrier to using their services (that being placing one's self at risk fraud), now everyone can buy from them, danger free.  And Blizzard skims a little somethin' somethin' off the top of all transactions, so profit off it as well.  Not to mention, everyone will be selling the good gear for real monsy now, making trading on the in-game AH laughable for anyone who exercise their "option" to not use the RMT system.  You'll find plenty of trash there for certain, but nothing rare or better.  That's RMT material.

As a previous poster already said, it's old news.  But there are folks who still don't know why some of us are dead against this system.  Gold sellers and farmers used to be the enemy.  Now they are partners.  I refuse to see this as a good thing.

Originally posted by Unlight

Originally posted by buegur

I assuming English isn't your first language as your post is hard to follow.  Anyways I just don't see how having an auction house in a game is bad or how that makes any difference to the Gold Farmers.  I certainly don't see any profit the game maker gets from an Auction House.

They'll be farming drops to sell on the AH along with everyone else now.  But instead of there being a natural barrier to using their services (that being placing one's self at risk fraud), now everyone can buy from them, danger free.  And Blizzard skims a little somethin' somethin' off the top of all transactions, so profit off it as well.  Not to mention, everyone will be selling the good gear for real monsy now, making trading on the in-game AH laughable for anyone who exercise their "option" to not use the RMT system.  You'll find plenty of trash there for certain, but nothing rare or better.  That's RMT material.

As a previous poster already said, it's old news.  But there are folks who still don't know why some of us are dead against this system.  Gold sellers and farmers used to be the enemy.  Now they are partners.  I refuse to see this as a good thing.

Well then your choice is simple. Don't play Diablo 3.

The game is shaping up to look real fun though. I don't see any issues with RMT. It goes two ways. I can sell on it too if i find a rare drop that i cannot use. I don't see getting some cash on the side for just playing a game as a bad thing.

Originally posted by Bushi13

Originally posted by Skuz

You are about 6 months behind the curve, this news is now old & dusty & debated to death already.

Search is your friend.

ah ok it has been talked about already

Sorry my mistake it does not worry me anymore because whomever talked about it already 6 month ago.

Thank you for sharing this rather interresting point of view on the matter at hand. just go on with been there done that and ofc whatever.

If you don't like it don't purchase the game.  It might send a message.  Don't expect your rant to change anything.

Originally posted by Bushi13

The item-based nature of Diablo gameplay has always lent itself to an active trade-based ecosystem, and a significant part of this trade has been conducted through unsecure third-party            organizations. This has led to numerous customer-service and game-experience issues that we’ve needed to account for. Our primary goal with the Diablo III auction house system is for it to serve as the foundation for a player-driven economy that’s safe, fun, and accessible for everyone            .

 

This is the truth.

Originally posted by Bushi13

The bold truth is that all goldfarming activities took place in blizzard games. Without Blizzard getting money out of it ,  and that couldn't go on as they think without them getting paid.

And this is the truth.

Why do they have to be mutually exclusive? Why must everything a company does to make money automatically be bad for consumers? Because consumers want to have something to hate, end of story.

RMAH is a win/win/win/loss, where the wins are gamers who can take advantage of this without getting ripped off, the company that makes money, and the chinese sweat shop worker who is now able to make money directly from Blizzard without having to have it pimped out by the "Chinese mobster" who used to employ him.

The loss? Chinese mobsters.

So many who just accepts crap from gaming companies because they think they cant affect anything, and terrified at beeing negative in any regards because winners say yay and loosers say nay. Speak up or atleast be true to yourself and don't buy those games, and you might be surpriced to that see consumers in numbers have real power.

If you transfer the Blizzard tactics to real life, it would be like saying "Crime happens no matter how much we fight it, so lets just legalize crime and tax it" .. I know its exaggerated but still. There are still games where cheaters of all kinds are actively getting hunted down and banned, so it is not impossible. Blizzard have never really taken a stand against it, their ban rounds are mostly just temp bans, for example as I am informed the diablo2 farmers just have 20+ accounts which they cycle whenever one gets temp banned.

Stop beeing an idiot, when you buy from gold sellers you actively makes the game worse for others and you ruin your own game aswell (look at all the fools who buy stuff in diablo2 and quit 3 days later because they loose interest).

Originally posted by Sythion

Originally posted by Bushi13

The item-based nature of Diablo gameplay has always lent itself to an active trade-based ecosystem, and a significant part of this trade has been conducted through unsecure third-party            organizations. This has led to numerous customer-service and game-experience issues that we’ve needed to account for. Our primary goal with the Diablo III auction house system is for it to serve as the foundation for a player-driven economy that’s safe, fun, and accessible for everyone            .

 

This is the truth.

Originally posted by Bushi13

The bold truth is that all goldfarming activities took place in blizzard games. Without Blizzard getting money out of it ,  and that couldn't go on as they think without them getting paid.

And this is the truth.

Why do they have to be mutually exclusive? Why must everything a company does to make money automatically be bad for consumers? Because consumers want to have something to hate, end of story.

RMAH is a win/win/win/loss, where the wins are gamers who can take advantage of this without getting ripped off, the company that makes money, and the chinese sweat shop worker who is now able to make money directly from Blizzard without having to have it pimped out by the "Chinese mobster" who used to employ him.

The loss? Chinese mobsters.

 

 

its not nice when people play the naive defender?

first that will not stop gold sellers, gold sellers exist because we have morons who use they "services", 2nd what blizzard want is try to steal some on gold sellers clients, but we also know then what really happen in diablo is  item trade, we never sold items for gold there, only if the item was somewhere never good enough for a trade and or you wanted gold for the jordan stones.

only thing will happen here is people will try to sell things by real money hoping to make some, but in the end will just lose money over the box price, for a single player game, who can't be played offline. then later the same people cry and complain when they launch a first day DLC or sell in cd content and you have to pay just to unlock it, namco and capcom did that. they do that because all the fools buy it, the genre in shitty now because morons just happily give then money for half of content we had som years ago, people say they have to pay for they cost, but most of this costs are on DRM who limit the player choice on where and how to play it, who prevent we consumers sell old games all of that they blame piracy, but the irony is who use pirated games don't have the hasle of having to conect to play, or having to pay extras for things who is already in cd.

now tell me, truthfull, why you guys defend shady things like this?

Originally posted by Sythion

Originally posted by Bushi13

The item-based nature of Diablo gameplay has always lent itself to an active trade-based ecosystem, and a significant part of this trade has been conducted through unsecure third-party            organizations. This has led to numerous customer-service and game-experience issues that we’ve needed to account for. Our primary goal with the Diablo III auction house system is for it to serve as the foundation for a player-driven economy that’s safe, fun, and accessible for everyone            .

 

This is the truth.

Originally posted by Bushi13

The bold truth is that all goldfarming activities took place in blizzard games. Without Blizzard getting money out of it ,  and that couldn't go on as they think without them getting paid.

And this is the truth.

Why do they have to be mutually exclusive? Why must everything a company does to make money automatically be bad for consumers? Because consumers want to have something to hate, end of story.

RMAH is a win/win/win/loss, where the wins are gamers who can take advantage of this without getting ripped off, the company that makes money, and the chinese sweat shop worker who is now able to make money directly from Blizzard without having to have it pimped out by the "Chinese mobster" who used to employ him.

The loss? Chinese mobsters.

 

 

If Blizzard were really doing it to protect their customers and provide them with a better gaming experience, they wouldnt be taking a large cut of every transaction that goes through the RMAH. 

The RMAH is a way for blizzard to make money, and the official explanation is just a spin put on it by the PR dept to make it look like blizzard is less evil. They dont care about protecting their customers. If they did they would have found a way to stop all the illegal transactions that were going on in their previous games. They just want all the money that the illegal traders were making because they cant stand the fact that someone else is making money off of the back of their products and not them

@Kjempf

Or they just disagree with what they consider crap.  I certainly don't have any objections to this.  As a consumer it gives me more options, provides more safety should I choose to engage it.  It provides more competition which always drives down prices and ends up being better for the consumer.

I love the series, love the game, love the RMAH.  It affects how I play D3 absolutely ZERO.  I have sold 14 items to date in d2 thru a 3rd party site, I have been paid out on only 11.  I have never bought an item with RMAH.  Its win/win to me

Originally posted by nariusseldon

Originally posted by Unlight

Originally posted by buegur

I assuming English isn't your first language as your post is hard to follow.  Anyways I just don't see how having an auction house in a game is bad or how that makes any difference to the Gold Farmers.  I certainly don't see any profit the game maker gets from an Auction House.

They'll be farming drops to sell on the AH along with everyone else now.  But instead of there being a natural barrier to using their services (that being placing one's self at risk fraud), now everyone can buy from them, danger free.  And Blizzard skims a little somethin' somethin' off the top of all transactions, so profit off it as well.  Not to mention, everyone will be selling the good gear for real monsy now, making trading on the in-game AH laughable for anyone who exercise their "option" to not use the RMT system.  You'll find plenty of trash there for certain, but nothing rare or better.  That's RMT material.

As a previous poster already said, it's old news.  But there are folks who still don't know why some of us are dead against this system.  Gold sellers and farmers used to be the enemy.  Now they are partners.  I refuse to see this as a good thing.

Well then your choice is simple. Don't play Diablo 3.

The game is shaping up to look real fun though. I don't see any issues with RMT. It goes two ways. I can sell on it too if i find a rare drop that i cannot use. I don't see getting some cash on the side for just playing a game as a bad thing.

 

It is a simple choice and it was made quite a while ago.  My comments were to explain the why, which I think I did pretty clearly.  And the only reason I keep on it is because Blizzard is big and they tend to blaze trails.  If some no-name developer tried this, they'd be attacked by the gaming community and the experiment would stop there.  When Blizzard does it, it may open the floodgates for every other developer to follow.  That affects me.

I think I concisely illustrated the drawbacks as I see them.  To me, they are major.  Others seem to think that you can just ignore those aspects in the game.  You can't.  Still others are seeing money bags with wings, floating before their eyes.  Turning games into a money-making endeavour for players is probably the worst place the industry can go. 

People complain incessantly about P2W games, yet this not only opens the door to it, it tears the door off it's hinges and demolishes the door frame.  The way the game is being monetized may have long term repercussions across the industry and eventually, we might all be taking it up the derriere as a result.  My choosing to play the game or not won't make a difference if all games start to follow suit.  That happened with WoW, where we ended up with nearly eight years of clones.  This form of RMT is something I don't ever want to see gain similar traction.

This is the typical cry about something Blizzard does and then do not actually do take any action. WoW players do it all the time when they huff and puff, then rush to the defense of WoW. Diablo players are no different. Blizzard can shit all over you and you guys will just eat it up.

I wrote them off as a good developer years ago and refuse to legally pay for their products. God made bootleg torrents with crackz just for companies like this.

Originally posted by Puremallace

This is the typical cry about something Blizzard does and then do not actually do take any action. WoW players do it all the time when they huff and puff, then rush to the defense of WoW. Diablo players are no different. Blizzard can shit all over you and you guys will just eat it up.

 

I wrote them off as a good developer years ago and refuse to legally pay for their products. God made bootleg torrents with crackz just for companies like this.

You're so high and mighty! How can I learn to have such an enlightened and unbiased opinion as yours?

Everyone of these illogical Blizzard hate troll messages ends up being the same "huff and puff." The basic argument everyone uses is "Blizzard is evil, therefore anything they say or do is evil, and if you agree with them you are corrupted by evil, because Blizzard is evil."

Notable exception: Unlight has thoughtful explanations of reasons why RMAH can hurt the game, specifically the MMAH (monopoly money action house). That doesn't particularly impact my play experience, so I don't mind one bit, and take the benefits over the negatives.

Also, people need to realize there are more benefits other than protecting customers. Making this available to everyone, and convenient to use are benefits as well.

Originally posted by Unlight

 

It is a simple choice and it was made quite a while ago.  My comments were to explain the why, which I think I did pretty clearly.  And the only reason I keep on it is because Blizzard is big and they tend to blaze trails.  If some no-name developer tried this, they'd be attacked by the gaming community and the experiment would stop there.  When Blizzard does it, it may open the floodgates for every other developer to follow.  That affects me.

I think I concisely illustrated the drawbacks as I see them.  To me, they are major.  Others seem to think that you can just ignore those aspects in the game.  You can't.  Still others are seeing money bags with wings, floating before their eyes.  Turning games into a money-making endeavour for players is probably the worst place the industry can go. 

People complain incessantly about P2W games, yet this not only opens the door to it, it tears the door off it's hinges and demolishes the door frame.  The way the game is being monetized may have long term repercussions across the industry and eventually, we might all be taking it up the derriere as a result.  My choosing to play the game or not won't make a difference if all games start to follow suit.  That happened with WoW, where we ended up with nearly eight years of clones.  This form of RMT is something I don't ever want to see gain similar traction.

How does that concern ME?

If Diablo 3 is good fun, i will play it. You can rant as much as you want and that won't change the fact that I am going to have a good time with the game.

So some people make some money on a game. So? Heck, may be i can do that too. I don't see a reason to get all upset.

Obviously if Blizz is doing it, and if Diablo 3 sells millions, no one cares enough about RMAH to not buy the game.

Originally posted by nariusseldon

How does that concern ME?

If Diablo 3 is good fun, i will play it. You can rant as much as you want and that won't change the fact that I am going to have a good time with the game.

So some people make some money on a game. So? Heck, may be i can do that too. I don't see a reason to get all upset.

Obviously if Blizz is doing it, and if Diablo 3 sells millions, no one cares enough about RMAH to not buy the game.

This is the very point of this post, thank you.

How does it concern you? wel it doesn't if you don't care but even tho actions have consequence.

You might not care but the game with this "official farming" is pushing even further the barrier between the poor and the rich.

If you are rich you can afford not to care, but it is nonetheless shamefull to exploit people for your very pleasure which is the point.

Let them farm, I got money because i'm lucky enought to have been born in a western country. And is just wrong.

The all world is enslave to banks, put poor people are enslave to rich people, and this auction market is putting it to the face of everybody, but so very few realise how evil this is.

Ps: sorry for my bad language I got to practice my english

PsPs: Blizzard is not evil, they just offert comodity for evil to grow. People are evil enought on their own, blizzard just open the door.

Lets make it simple

No matter what kind of comprehention level you have, here will be people affected negatively by this, there will be people that doesn't care, and there will be people who loves this idea

None of the opinions above are wrong, neither is the mentality behind them. I can make a case for each and every one of those arguments.

Your lack of ability to grasp each different stance on the subject, is a fault that lies with you. Not the person affected by this issue positively or negatively