Originally posted by EduardoASG

I dont know the basis behind the NCSoft complain.. what i do know is that Tera looks like an upgraded version of Lineage franchise.. and the similarities may indicate some meshes / parts of code were the same or almost the same used in both games or by both companies.

Now if that is a reason to present charge.. i have no idea. All my dealings so far with NCSoft tell me NCSoft is a good company, honest and dedicate to the online gaming market, and its a company that has been in the gamining scene for a while now. If they say they have reasons to prossecute another company, most likely they do..

the response wasn't simplya response to NCSoft but Massively as well.  Massively is really digusting in their treatment of Tera, they had constantly reported info and events by K-Tera that are completely unrelated to W-Tera, and had twisted their story or left out key information to make W-Tera look bad.  Now they went as far as to outright lie that K-Tera was found guilty, when they were not, and EME/Blue Hole had to respond.

But that's not the kicker, the kicker is user responses like these where people are still defending Massively and NCSoft's baseless assault on Tera even after they had been proven wrong.  It's really digusting all the comments I read, that "I trust NCSoft"or that "Massively says that Tera dev are guilty so EME must be lying."

It's amazing how completey ignorant people are when EME comes out and dispells the rumors with the truth, but people still do not believe them.  As a gamer people should be demanding the jobs of these journalists like Massively that spin the facts to their own benefit and not in the interest in their playerbase.  How many games have we brought last year that was constantly hyped by sites like Massively and turned out to be trash?  And now Massively got players literally convinced that people shouldn't play Tera, a game a lot of people will actually like, because they stole assets from NCSoft and they are found guilty and NCSoft will shutdown their game.

We are literally living in a world now where other people are telling us what games we should and should not play.

Originally posted by cinderboy

Originally posted by Xasapis

Originally posted by saurus123

http://www.mmoculture.com/2012/04/en-masse-replies-does-not-earn-my.html

How is complaining about IP blocking relevant to the trial case between NCsoft and EN Masse?

 Since when did I linked the IP blocking to the court case?

 I specifically mentioned "marketing antics".

 God, TERA fanboys.

You mentioned nothing beyond posting a link, which is off topic regarding this thead.

In any case, not a bad job for a trolling alt account.

Please tell me if I am wrong.

Let me get this right. An ex workers that quit Ncsoft steal all the company projects.

They then set up a new company on their own and used all Ncsoft projects and make another MMO out of this.

They get send to jail in Korea for stealing and people are defending the stolen MMO as if it was Ncsoft fault?

I do not understand why people are hating the victim and praise the thief? 

Is there another story that I do not know that you guys are defending this MMO?

The Title is misleading. NCsoft didn't do anything to spread the rumors. It was the press. Furthermore the court case was against the former employees not against the company(BHS) in which they were found guilty.

Originally posted by xmenty

Please tell me if I am wrong.

Let me get this right. An ex workers that quit Ncsoft steal all the company projects.

They then set up a new company on their own and used all Ncsoft projects and make another MMO out of this.

They get send to jail in Korea for stealing and people are defending the stolen MMO as if it was Ncsoft fault?

I do not understand why people are hating the victim and praise the thief? 

Is there another story that I do not know that you guys are defending this MMO?

you are wrong and you might need reading glasses.  I don't know how you completely missed the first post of this thread that explains everything that happened in detail.

Originally posted by cinderboy

Originally posted by R.I.O.T

Originally posted by cinderboy

Originally posted by Xasapis

Originally posted by saurus123

http://www.mmoculture.com/2012/04/en-masse-replies-does-not-earn-my.html

How is complaining about IP blocking relevant to the trial case between NCsoft and EN Masse?

 

Since when did I linked the IP blocking to the court case?

 

I specifically mentioned "marketing antics".

 

God, TERA fanboys.

Don't take it so personally, its just common knowledge to know that the majority of "GOLD FARMING" is an actual job in China (Asia) and other developing nations.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_farming

It's just one-way of dealing with gold-sellers. plus they are playing it safe. Since the "Vast Majority" are cyber criminals! That doesn't me everyone, but what can you do?

 

Well the fact is there is nothing I can do except to post what I feel in my own blog, which the fanboys have to take too deep into context while referring to the court cases.

 

I can actually play the EU server, which I did for the CBT weekends.

 

The beef here is more about how En Masse decided to stereotype all Asians instead of listing out factors such as latency concerns due to the combat and perhaps mention about on going talks about new servers and publishers for new regions.

 

Which P2P games do you see IP-blocking regions nowadays due to "hackers" and "farming" anyway?

So in other words, they cut out all the politically correct bullshit and simply told it like it is. I say good on them, I wish more companies would stop blowing sunshine up people's butts and just acknowledge the real reasons for their actions.

I suppose some people will whine about anything though.

Originally posted by Rednecksith

Originally posted by cinderboy

Originally posted by R.I.O.T

Originally posted by cinderboy

Originally posted by Xasapis

Originally posted by saurus123

http://www.mmoculture.com/2012/04/en-masse-replies-does-not-earn-my.html

How is complaining about IP blocking relevant to the trial case between NCsoft and EN Masse?

 

Since when did I linked the IP blocking to the court case?

 

I specifically mentioned "marketing antics".

 

God, TERA fanboys.

Don't take it so personally, its just common knowledge to know that the majority of "GOLD FARMING" is an actual job in China (Asia) and other developing nations.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_farming

It's just one-way of dealing with gold-sellers. plus they are playing it safe. Since the "Vast Majority" are cyber criminals! That doesn't me everyone, but what can you do?

 

Well the fact is there is nothing I can do except to post what I feel in my own blog, which the fanboys have to take too deep into context while referring to the court cases.

 

I can actually play the EU server, which I did for the CBT weekends.

 

The beef here is more about how En Masse decided to stereotype all Asians instead of listing out factors such as latency concerns due to the combat and perhaps mention about on going talks about new servers and publishers for new regions.

 

Which P2P games do you see IP-blocking regions nowadays due to "hackers" and "farming" anyway?

So in other words, they cut out all the politically correct bullshit and simply told it like it is. I say good on them, I wish more companies would stop blowing sunshine up people's butts and just acknowledge the real reasons for their actions.

I suppose some people will whine about anything though.

And that is the way to do engage with the community. By labelling a whole continent and a few more countries as hacker fest.

Good job I guess, a couple of PR firms are looking forward to hire you as well. The next time you are being stereotyped for anything, remember not to have any negative thoughts and tell yourself you deserve it.

Originally posted by BigBadWolfe

Originally posted by xmenty

Please tell me if I am wrong.

Let me get this right. An ex workers that quit Ncsoft steal all the company projects.

They then set up a new company on their own and used all Ncsoft projects and make another MMO out of this.

They get send to jail in Korea for stealing and people are defending the stolen MMO as if it was Ncsoft fault?

I do not understand why people are hating the victim and praise the thief? 

Is there another story that I do not know that you guys are defending this MMO?

you are wrong and you might need reading glasses.  I don't know how you completely missed the first post of this thread that explains everything that happened in detail.

So why did the ex workers go to jail for?

To me OP is quoting an Enmasse PR, covering their own ass cos they already invested millions in the company.

You know what fk it, this is not my problem.

Originally posted by BigBadWolfe

Originally posted by xmenty

Please tell me if I am wrong.

Let me get this right. An ex workers that quit Ncsoft steal all the company projects.

They then set up a new company on their own and used all Ncsoft projects and make another MMO out of this.

They get send to jail in Korea for stealing and people are defending the stolen MMO as if it was Ncsoft fault?

I do not understand why people are hating the victim and praise the thief? 

Is there another story that I do not know that you guys are defending this MMO?

you are wrong and you might need reading glasses.  I don't know how you completely missed the first post of this thread that explains everything that happened in detail.

xmenty is right.

1. Ex-NCsoft employees runs off with Lineage III details, went to Bluehole, started TERA.

2. NCsoft sued Bluehole, court finds Bluehole and the ex-NCsoft employees guilty.

3. Another trial sees Bluehole declared innocent, TERA continues operation in Korea, no fines to be paid, the ex-NCsoft employees guilty.

4. Ex-NCsoft employees sent to jail and fined.

5. NCsoft launches legal trial against En Masse in North America, no news of a court session yet.

6. TERA is still to launch and operate as usual in North America.

That's that. Why can't the TERA fanboys read?

Originally posted by Rednecksith

Originally posted by cinderboy

Originally posted by R.I.O.T

Originally posted by cinderboy

Originally posted by Xasapis

Originally posted by saurus123

http://www.mmoculture.com/2012/04/en-masse-replies-does-not-earn-my.html

How is complaining about IP blocking relevant to the trial case between NCsoft and EN Masse?

 

Since when did I linked the IP blocking to the court case?

 

I specifically mentioned "marketing antics".

 

God, TERA fanboys.

Don't take it so personally, its just common knowledge to know that the majority of "GOLD FARMING" is an actual job in China (Asia) and other developing nations.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_farming

It's just one-way of dealing with gold-sellers. plus they are playing it safe. Since the "Vast Majority" are cyber criminals! That doesn't me everyone, but what can you do?

 

Well the fact is there is nothing I can do except to post what I feel in my own blog, which the fanboys have to take too deep into context while referring to the court cases.

 

I can actually play the EU server, which I did for the CBT weekends.

 

The beef here is more about how En Masse decided to stereotype all Asians instead of listing out factors such as latency concerns due to the combat and perhaps mention about on going talks about new servers and publishers for new regions.

 

Which P2P games do you see IP-blocking regions nowadays due to "hackers" and "farming" anyway?

So in other words, they cut out all the politically correct bullshit and simply told it like it is. I say good on them, I wish more companies would stop blowing sunshine up people's butts and just acknowledge the real reasons for their actions.

I suppose some people will whine about anything though.

c'mon, it doesn't take a genious to know that IP blocks will only stop legit players and wannabes. You think hackers and professional farmers can't get around an IP block? I honestly think there's another reason that the blocking was put in place and the real reason doesn't seem as legit as this one /removes tinfoil hat

So bluehole was found not guilty of using nscoft code. But ncsoft ex empoyees were found guilty of stealing ncsoft code. The code they made for ncsoft?  The three people involved were fined and sentenced to jail time. End of story? I mean if the court found bluehole not guilty of using the stolen code then that's it end of this for Tera in korea at least. I wonder how the us case will go. Kinda doesn't look good for ncsoft vs eme if bluehole was cleared. Right?

So Tera is something like what Lineage 3 might have been but they didn't use ncsoft code to make it? Am I right?

And cinderboy don't bother responding you seem to have a stick up your ethernet port about eme's IP blocking. Or that's what I got from your mmosite post thing.

Originally posted by cinderboy

Originally posted by BigBadWolfe

Originally posted by xmenty

Please tell me if I am wrong.

Let me get this right. An ex workers that quit Ncsoft steal all the company projects.

They then set up a new company on their own and used all Ncsoft projects and make another MMO out of this.

They get send to jail in Korea for stealing and people are defending the stolen MMO as if it was Ncsoft fault?

I do not understand why people are hating the victim and praise the thief? 

Is there another story that I do not know that you guys are defending this MMO?

you are wrong and you might need reading glasses.  I don't know how you completely missed the first post of this thread that explains everything that happened in detail.

 

xmenty is right.

 

1. Ex-NCsoft employees runs off with Lineage III details, went to Bluehole, started TERA.

 

2. NCsoft sued Bluehole, court finds Bluehole and the ex-NCsoft employees guilty.

 

3. Another trial sees Bluehole declared innocent, TERA continues operation in Korea, no fines to be paid, the ex-NCsoft employees guilty.

 

4. Ex-NCsoft employees sent to jail and fined.

 

5. NCsoft launches legal trial against En Masse in North America, no news of a court session yet.

 

6. TERA is still to launch and operate as usual in North America.

 

That's that. Why can't the TERA fanboys read?

You forgot to mention the thing that matters. See the text that I painted in red? That my friend has not been proven anywhere.

En masse said that TERA has not been found guilty, that BHS has not been found guilty. They did not say that some Ex-Ncsoft employees weren't found guilty. So xmenty is not right, as he said that TERA is a stolen MMO while it has not been proven. That is what BigBadWolfe was talking about, not the Ex-NCSoft employees.

Originally posted by Ganathar

Originally posted by cinderboy

Originally posted by BigBadWolfe

Originally posted by xmenty

Please tell me if I am wrong.

Let me get this right. An ex workers that quit Ncsoft steal all the company projects.

They then set up a new company on their own and used all Ncsoft projects and make another MMO out of this.

They get send to jail in Korea for stealing and people are defending the stolen MMO as if it was Ncsoft fault?

I do not understand why people are hating the victim and praise the thief? 

Is there another story that I do not know that you guys are defending this MMO?

you are wrong and you might need reading glasses.  I don't know how you completely missed the first post of this thread that explains everything that happened in detail.

 

xmenty is right.

 

1. Ex-NCsoft employees runs off with Lineage III details, went to Bluehole, started TERA.

 

2. NCsoft sued Bluehole, court finds Bluehole and the ex-NCsoft employees guilty.

 

3. Another trial sees Bluehole declared innocent, TERA continues operation in Korea, no fines to be paid, the ex-NCsoft employees guilty.

 

4. Ex-NCsoft employees sent to jail and fined.

 

5. NCsoft launches legal trial against En Masse in North America, no news of a court session yet.

 

6. TERA is still to launch and operate as usual in North America.

 

That's that. Why can't the TERA fanboys read?

You forgot to mention the thing that matters. See the text that I painted in red? That my friend has not been proven anywhere.

En masse said that TERA has not been found guilty, that BHS has not been found guilty. They did not say that some Ex-Ncsoft employees weren't found guilty. So xmenty is not right, as he said that TERA is a stolen MMO while it has not been proven. That is what BigBadWolfe was talking about, not the Ex-NCSoft employees.

Oh yeah, the fanboys just need to know TERA is on course for launch still, that's all.

Originally posted by spacebot

So bluehole was found not guilty of using nscoft code. But ncsoft ex empoyees were found guilty of stealing ncsoft code. The code they made for ncsoft?  The three people involved were fined and sentenced to jail time. End of story? I mean if the court found bluehole not guilty of using the stolen code then that's it end of this for Tera in korea at least. I wonder how the us case will go. Kinda doesn't look good for ncsoft vs eme if bluehole was cleared. Right?

So Tera is something like what Lineage 3 might have been but they didn't use ncsoft code to make it? Am I right?

And cinderboy don't bother responding you seem to have a stick up your ethernet port about eme's IP blocking. Or that's what I got from your mmosite post thing.

I do have a stick up my ethernet port, thank you.

If it doesn't concern you, why bother commenting on a personal opinion?

Cause your commenting on it? I guess. Seems to me the whole Tera legal deal is over and Tera is stamped OK in the Korean courts. But your posts indicate you don't like that. I get the impression you'd like to see tera or EME go down in the US. All cause of the IP blocking and not about all this legal stuff. Mind you, if you were just some forum poster I wouldn't have bothered saying anything to you, but you got that thing on that other mmo website.

I imagine SOME of the other hate tera gets over the lawsuits is really not about stolen code and justice, but more from personal vendettas.

The three guys whole stole thier own work from ncsoft(but they were on ncsoft's payroll while they made it so it was ncsoft's) have to pay ncsoft money and do some time. Seems like there were some personal issues between them and thier bosses?

Tera is not made from stolen ncsoft code.

This is what I understand to have happened.

Originally posted by spacebot

Cause your commenting on it? I guess. Seems to me the whole Tera legal deal is over and Tera is stamped OK in the Korean courts. But your posts indicate you don't like that. I get the impression you'd like to see tera or EME go down in the US. All cause of the IP blocking and not about all this legal stuff. Mind you, if you were just some forum poster I wouldn't have bothered saying anything to you, but you got that thing on that other mmo website.

I imagine SOME of the other hate tera gets over the lawsuits is really not about stolen code and justice, but more from personal vendettas.

The three guys whole stole thier own work from ncsoft(but they were on ncsoft's payroll while they made it so it was ncsoft's) have to pay ncsoft money and do some time. Seems like there were some personal issues between them and thier bosses?

Tera is not made from stolen ncsoft code.

This is what I understand to have happened.

You get the "impression" and thus it is my fault you misinterpreted what I meant?

I never denied I was pissed with TERA using a lousy excuse to implement the IP block, I was always open about that.

Freedom of speech, anyone? It is my personal blog, the last I know I don't have to please everyone with my views.

And I did not say TERA was closing, I did not say Bluehole was found guilty (well they were found guilty in the first trial), I certainly did not say En Masse is guilty.

All you fanboys just let fanboyism consume your ability to read properly, geez.

And about the part if TERA was made using Lineage III codes, again everyone is free to have their own opinions, though legally it states it is not.

Originally posted by cinderboy

Originally posted by spacebot

Cause your commenting on it? I guess. Seems to me the whole Tera legal deal is over and Tera is stamped OK in the Korean courts. But your posts indicate you don't like that. I get the impression you'd like to see tera or EME go down in the US. All cause of the IP blocking and not about all this legal stuff. Mind you, if you were just some forum poster I wouldn't have bothered saying anything to you, but you got that thing on that other mmo website.

I imagine SOME of the other hate tera gets over the lawsuits is really not about stolen code and justice, but more from personal vendettas.

The three guys whole stole thier own work from ncsoft(but they were on ncsoft's payroll while they made it so it was ncsoft's) have to pay ncsoft money and do some time. Seems like there were some personal issues between them and thier bosses?

Tera is not made from stolen ncsoft code.

This is what I understand to have happened.

 

You get the "impression" and thus it is my fault you misinterpreted what I meant?

 

I never denied I was pissed with TERA using a lousy excuse to implement the IP block, I was always open about that.

 

Freedom of speech, anyone? It is my personal blog, the last I know I don't have to please everyone with my views.

 

And I did not say TERA was closing, I did not say Bluehole was found guilty (well they were found guilty in the first trial), I certainly did not say En Masse is guilty.

 

All you fanboys just let fanboyism consume your ability to read properly, geez.

 

And about the part if TERA was made using Lineage III codes, again everyone is free to have their own opinions, though legally it states it is not.

You've said that several times already. It's possible you don't give a damn what us, the readers may think, but since you're posting I'm guessing you do want people to read what you wrote then could you please tone down the name calling?

Originally posted by Deron_Barak
@Cinderboy

I do not blame you for posting the same type of info as MMO news entities, everyone was given same bad info and it gets spread by one entity reporting from another like dominos.

Did the other sites like MMORPG.com or Massively add an unrelated rant to their correction of the event? Nope. It's your blog that's true and I'm sure you work hard on it. I bet your even a good guy that likes MMOs like the rest of us.

If you want to be taken seriously like these other sites then you need to use the same journalistic integrity. What you injected, literally, into your correction of the verdict results was obvious to anyone with reading comprehension. In the end it's up to you how you want your site to look.

My blog is meant for a more personal and casual touch, not for politically correct stuff to please people.

It is by no means professional, readers are welcomed to ignore~

I post whatever I like, and it will never change.

My blog ain't a mouthpiece for someone else or for any group, and that is how it was for the past 3 years, and for the next xx year..

Again, nothing will change, people can call it trash for all I care~

Originally posted by Himemiya

Originally posted by cinderboy

Originally posted by spacebot

Cause your commenting on it? I guess. Seems to me the whole Tera legal deal is over and Tera is stamped OK in the Korean courts. But your posts indicate you don't like that. I get the impression you'd like to see tera or EME go down in the US. All cause of the IP blocking and not about all this legal stuff. Mind you, if you were just some forum poster I wouldn't have bothered saying anything to you, but you got that thing on that other mmo website.

I imagine SOME of the other hate tera gets over the lawsuits is really not about stolen code and justice, but more from personal vendettas.

The three guys whole stole thier own work from ncsoft(but they were on ncsoft's payroll while they made it so it was ncsoft's) have to pay ncsoft money and do some time. Seems like there were some personal issues between them and thier bosses?

Tera is not made from stolen ncsoft code.

This is what I understand to have happened.

 

You get the "impression" and thus it is my fault you misinterpreted what I meant?

 

I never denied I was pissed with TERA using a lousy excuse to implement the IP block, I was always open about that.

 

Freedom of speech, anyone? It is my personal blog, the last I know I don't have to please everyone with my views.

 

And I did not say TERA was closing, I did not say Bluehole was found guilty (well they were found guilty in the first trial), I certainly did not say En Masse is guilty.

 

All you fanboys just let fanboyism consume your ability to read properly, geez.

 

And about the part if TERA was made using Lineage III codes, again everyone is free to have their own opinions, though legally it states it is not.

You've said that several times already. It's possible you don't give a damn what us, the readers may think, but since you're posting I'm guessing you do want people to read what you wrote then could you please tone down the name calling?

Wait, calling a group of fanboys as fanboys is against the rules?

I must have missed it, I apologize. Do accept it.