The Top 5 Arguments Against Guild Wars 2

1. I don’t like PvP!
2. There’s no raiding/PvE endgame!
3. There are no healers/tanks! I can’t play my favorite role!
4. The combat is too hard!
5. There’s no subscription! It’ll lose money, crash, burn and fail!

mm, those aren't my top 5,  but I guess you got to start somewhere. :D   Looking forward to beta next week!

Thanks for posting.

Originally posted by fiontar

The Top 5 Arguments Against Guild Wars 2

1. I don’t like PvP!
2. There’s no raiding/PvE endgame!
3. There are no healers/tanks! I can’t play my favorite role!
4. The combat is too hard!
5. There’s no subscription! It’ll lose money, crash, burn and fail!

Great article over at ZAM discussing the five above mentioned arguements against GW2 and why they may not hold up under closer scrutiny. Definitely worth a read and further discussion.

 

 

They are my top five reasons for playing.

Originally posted by MMOSavant

Originally posted by fiontar

The Top 5 Arguments Against Guild Wars 2

1. I don’t like PvP!
2. There’s no raiding/PvE endgame!
3. There are no healers/tanks! I can’t play my favorite role!
4. The combat is too hard!
5. There’s no subscription! It’ll lose money, crash, burn and fail!

Great article over at ZAM discussing the five above mentioned arguements against GW2 and why they may not hold up under closer scrutiny. Definitely worth a read and further discussion.

 

 

 

They are my top five reasons for playing.

Funny how it works out that way! :)

The "cons" are actually "pros" for most people once they understand the details.

That's a well-written and reasoned article. Thank you for posting.

Oh you left out the biggest one.  But Im not posting it.  Im sure someone will soon as it pops up in every single GW2 thread like a plague of locusts. 

There's no way Im posting it though.  Ive seen it enough. 

Originally posted by MMOSavant

Originally posted by fiontar

The Top 5 Arguments Against Guild Wars 2

1. I don’t like PvP!
2. There’s no raiding/PvE endgame!
3. There are no healers/tanks! I can’t play my favorite role!
4. The combat is too hard!
5. There’s no subscription! It’ll lose money, crash, burn and fail!

Great article over at ZAM discussing the five above mentioned arguements against GW2 and why they may not hold up under closer scrutiny. Definitely worth a read and further discussion.

 

 

 

They are my top five reasons for playing.

Same for me.  That isn't to say that GW2 doesn't have any weaknesses, as it does in my eyes.  But those 5 reasons are not it.    In the interest of trolling, I will list my top 5 weaknesses of guild wars 2.

1.  World PVP limited to WvWvW

2.  No Death penalty (death should be scary)

3. No item decay/player looting (for strengthening the economy)

4. Can't see the names of enemy players/guilds in WvWvW (doesn't promote rivalries)

5.  No FFA  PVP:  (A game called guild wars should focus more on Guilds rather than factions/servers)

That being said, I preordered and  i believe that the game  will be better than anything else on the market.

Have to echo some of the posts and say thanks for posting it. I'm one of those on the fence and have to admit I'm leaning more and more to pre-purchasing this one. I'm not finding any drawbacks at this point.

A bit of misinformation there:

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But changing skills requires a trip to the trainer to reset, which takes time.

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I think the author is mistaking traits for skills, my understanding is that utility skills can be swapped at anytime out of combat and weapon skills can be changed during combat by weapon swapping. Traits on the other hand need a trainer to reset them.

This is my favorite excerpt from the article:

The truth is that the game isn’t too hard, it’s that it requires a different approach compared to what we’re used to. Coming from playing a spell caster in almost every other MMO, I’m used to standing at a huge range and spamming spells until things die. This is usually fairly easy, as spells do incredible amounts of damage and creatures usually don’t get close enough to hit me. It’s an approach that’s been reinforced by every major MMO I’ve played, from Warcraft through to SWTOR with several others in-between. 

And it doesn’t work in Guild Wars 2. Stand still and die. Learn to dodge and you have a good chance of surviving. Find out which weapon skills work best for you, and you’ll get somewhere. Being a glass cannon means that there’s no margin for error, but it’s compounded when you try to play the game with the same approach that you’ve used for your last five MMOs.

That's such an important point to make. Not only does it communicate how differently the game plays vs. other MMOs, but it serves as a caution to new players that they will need to adapt to a new way of playing. From what I've seen, the game eases you into this over at least the first dozen levels. There is a lot more room for error when you first get started and old strategies may still work early in the game. The transition period is very important. too short and people get frustrated before they are able to adapt; too long and people wonder "so, what is actually different about this game, so far I can play it just like WoW and do ok".

The transition period and the learning curve are two things I'll be evaluating closely during the first Weekend Beta Event.

Originally posted by EvilGeek

A bit of misinformation there:

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But changing skills requires a trip to the trainer to reset, which takes time.

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I think the author is mistaking traits for skills, my understanding is that utility skills can be swapped at anytime out of combat and weapon skills can be changed during combat by weapon swapping. Traits on the other hand need a trainer to reset them.

Yah, I agree. Skills you can switch out in the field. You can even switch the actual traits. You only have to go to a trainer to re-allocate your trait points. Unless, of course, there is a mechanism for refunding skill points if you don't like a skill you've purchased. It's possible that might be what he's talking about. It would be the first I've heard of it and would be a nice feature to have.

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Originally posted by fiontar

The transition period and the learning curve are two things I'll be evaluating closely during the first Weekend Beta Event.

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Yeah I'm really intrigued by this, playing the charr starter area up to around lvl 6 didn't require much more than a traditional style MMO combat of standing around and spamming skills with a lttle kiting, I did die twice, both could have been avoided by dodging and more effective skill use. I'm hoping the combat will be just a little more punishing than it was on the demo so people do realise a little quicker that they need to adapt. From the outside looking in it looks a difficult balance to achieve.

Originally posted by BigHatLogan

Originally posted by MMOSavant

Originally posted by fiontar

The Top 5 Arguments Against Guild Wars 2

1. I don’t like PvP!
2. There’s no raiding/PvE endgame!
3. There are no healers/tanks! I can’t play my favorite role!
4. The combat is too hard!
5. There’s no subscription! It’ll lose money, crash, burn and fail!

Great article over at ZAM discussing the five above mentioned arguements against GW2 and why they may not hold up under closer scrutiny. Definitely worth a read and further discussion.

 

 

 

They are my top five reasons for playing.

Same for me.  That isn't to say that GW2 doesn't have any weaknesses, as it does in my eyes.  But those 5 reasons are not it.    In the interest of trolling, I will list my top 5 weaknesses of guild wars 2.

1.  World PVP limited to WvWvW

2.  No Death penalty (death should be scary)

3. No item decay/player looting (for strengthening the economy)

4. Can't see the names of enemy players/guilds in WvWvW (doesn't promote rivalries)

5.  No FFA  PVP:  (A game called guild wars should focus more on Guilds rather than factions/servers)

That being said, I preordered and  i believe that the game  will be better than anything else on the market.

 

I just had to do this

1) Thanks to WvW we get true world pvp, no more just going around ganking.  Finaly true world pvp

2) There is a death penalty, if a minor one.  Your armor does take damage and does "brake"

3) Item decay? Very few MMO's have items that just disapear, and even fewer have player looting. 

4) Ya not sure about this one.  I can kind of see both sides.  

4) Well since guild can own keeps in WvW its has a lot going for guilds.  Also the Name Guild Wars has to do with lure and nothing to do with having guilds in the game.  

Originally posted by fiontar

The Top 5 Arguments Against Guild Wars 2

1. I don’t like PvP!
2. There’s no raiding/PvE endgame!
3. There are no healers/tanks! I can’t play my favorite role!
4. The combat is too hard!
5. There’s no subscription! It’ll lose money, crash, burn and fail!

Great article over at ZAM discussing the five above mentioned arguements against GW2 and why they may not hold up under closer scrutiny. Definitely worth a read and further discussion.

Interesting article, but I think only the first argument is really valid. Either you like the PvP or you don't.

As a second one I think that the lack of gear grind really will be the thing that turn off some people, more than a few MMO players only play for better gear.

I don't think many people actually would admit that combat is too hard... The author do explain why he doesn´t think the arguments hold any substance as well but his argumant for the first one is a little fishy, sure you can still PvE but you do miss half the game if you only do. It will be worth it to some but not for everyone.

Let's face it, no game is for everyone and it shouldn't be either. Some people here shouldn't buy GW2, it just ain't for them.

The only one I see a lot of is the lack of endgame thing, which his reasonings why it's not a problem were rather weak. You could easily make the same argument he used in regard to TOR ( alts: play through different class stories), and it still doesn't explain it away. Repeating stuff isn't a good argument against the top reason people bring that up.

In my experience on forums, the main factor these folks have is against the idea that dev made content supplies a good end-game, this is usually in regard to a want for sandboxy features at endgame, not Raiding as is the common area rebuttals assume. IE City building, community building, etc..Things that all themeparks lack and why they receive so much flak in regard to this subject.

Originally posted by fiontar

The Top 5 Arguments Against Guild Wars 2

1. I don’t like PvP!
2. There’s no raiding/PvE endgame!
3. There are no healers/tanks! I can’t play my favorite role!
4. The combat is too hard!
5. There’s no subscription! It’ll lose money, crash, burn and fail!

Great article over at ZAM discussing the five above mentioned arguements against GW2 and why they may not hold up under closer scrutiny. Definitely worth a read and further discussion.

1. Not the game's fault, personal preference, I do wish you all the fun in the world in whatever PVE game you find enjoyable, though.

2. I think this has been discussed before.

3. Heaven forbid try and enjoy something new.

4. Yes! Let's make it easy! That's what makes a winner!

5. Just like GW1 has been losing money, crashing, burning and failing for... how many years?

Seriously don't understand why people even bother with these posts. Do they hope to convince those who already pre-purchased and plan to actually enjoy  the game that it will "crash, burn and fail"?

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Originally posted by Distopia
 

In my experience on forums, the main factor these folks have is against the idea that dev made content supplies a good end-game, this is usually in regard to a want for sandboxy features at endgame, not Raiding as is the common area rebuttals assume. IE City building, community building, etc..Things that all themeparks lack and why they receive so much flak in regard to this subject.

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I would have loved it if the end game gave us some true sand box opportunities, in PvE and PvP. A persistent contested war zone with political systems and real support for RP (Quest/story creation, housing cities etc) would be great, maybe not something we could count out if the demand was there further down the line?

GW lacked those features and the traditional theme park end game but it kept me enthralled for four years solid, I'm not worried about GW2 for now.

If these are your top reasons then you obviously didn't play Guild Wars.

Originally posted by EvilGeek

 

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I would have loved it if the end game gave us some true sand box opportunities, in PvE and PvP. A persistent contested war zone with political systems and real support for RP (Quest/story creation, housing cities etc) would be great, maybe not something we could count out if the demand was there further down the line?

GW lacked those features and the traditional theme park end game but it kept me enthralled for four years solid, I'm not worried about GW2 for now.

That would rock :)..

Personally I'm not worried either as a PVPer they basically have what I seek. What they lack is those support roles people loved about other older MMO's SB, SWG, UO, EVE etc..

Basically dedicated crafters and those who supply them, hunters, etc...