Alright, well as the title sais and whats already known is that everyone will have virtually the same gear at endgame, however they will be able to change the appearance etc...

Well heres the problem, alot of people, like myself love the gear grinds at endgame, infact thats what i mainly play MMORPG's for, definitely not for the leveling... So what will endgame be like? how will you get rewarded, competition for the most gold or? what singles out each player, i mean its a "semi-action" based combat game, so its not going to be solely based on skill, like Tera. Personally because of this fact and a few others i will most likely not bother playing this game, and move onto a more interesting game such as Tera.

So heres the thing, will we just level up and be bored? what happens at endgame? i can only see the same gear slightly benefitting pvp, but having absolutely no advance on Pve, i mean whats the point if you dont get rewarded? every player being similar makes no sence, people play Mmorpg's because of that main difference you can gain against other players, because of how it feels to win that awesome weapon etc....

Open to views here, if anyone has an other opinion, feel free to say, attempt to convince. Because, at the way the game is looking now, its going to need to be one hell of an arguement.

Originally posted by Stimos8

Alright, well as the title sais and whats already known is that everyone will have virtually the same gear at endgame, however they will be able to change the appearance etc...

 

Well heres the problem, alot of people, like myself love the gear grinds at endgame, infact thats what i mainly play MMORPG's for, definitely not for the leveling... So what will endgame be like? how will you get rewarded, competition for the most gold or? what singles out each player, i mean its a "semi-action" based combat game, so its not going to be solely based on skill, like Tera. Personally because of this fact and a few others i will most likely not bother playing this game, and move onto a more interesting game such as Tera.

 

So heres the thing, will we just level up and be bored? what happens at endgame? i can only see the same gear slightly benefitting pvp, but having absolutely no advance on Pve, i mean whats the point if you dont get rewarded? every player being similar makes no sence, people play Mmorpg's because of that main difference you can gain against other players, because of how it feels to win that awesome weapon etc....

 

Open to views here, if anyone has an other opinion, feel free to say, attempt to convince. Because, at the way the game is looking now, its going to need to be one hell of an arguement.

If you want a gear grind then this isn't the game for you. The easiest thing right now is to admit that and go look for another game that does have it. May I suggest WoW?

Ya... if you want a gear grind look elsewhere. This isn't a game that caters to that. TERA, or TOR would probably better fits. Aion also is F2P now, and then there's D3 coming out soon (not an MMO I know). You do have options if you want that endgame gear grind. Many, many options.

there are more than enough geargrind mmos around. why don't you play one of those?

why should i try to convince you in playing gw2? it must be one hell of an argument.

Originally posted by Buttski

there are more than enough geargrind mmos around. why don't you play one of those?

You want to grind.....Lineage 2 grind.....  *eyeroll .....GL....

Originally posted by lokiboard

Originally posted by Buttski

there are more than enough geargrind mmos around. why don't you play one of those?

You want to grind.....Lineage 2 grind.....  *eyeroll .....GL....

wut?

Repeating the same dungeons will be just as enjoyable as it is in other games. Having gear incentives doesnt make it any more fun.

If its not fun, why keep doing it?

It's a bit sad how brainwashed some MMO players have been become. Must.... get..... upgraded.... loot...... MUST GRIND!!!

Tera isn't certainly only about skill.

Gear makes a huge difference.

If you really want gear progression, this game will not interest you for very long. I can understand that some people want to feel like they are constantly becoming more powerful. However I think that you should still try the game at least, as it is B2P and you can play it alongside another MMO so you won't really need gear progression in this game if it's your secondary MMO and play it casually.

Originally posted by Stimos8

Alright, well as the title sais and whats already known is that everyone will have virtually the same gear at endgame, however they will be able to change the appearance etc...

 

Well heres the problem, alot of people, like myself love the gear grinds at endgame, infact thats what i mainly play MMORPG's for, definitely not for the leveling... So what will endgame be like? how will you get rewarded, competition for the most gold or? what singles out each player, i mean its a "semi-action" based combat game, so its not going to be solely based on skill, like Tera. Personally because of this fact and a few others i will most likely not bother playing this game, and move onto a more interesting game such as Tera.

 

So heres the thing, will we just level up and be bored? what happens at endgame? i can only see the same gear slightly benefitting pvp, but having absolutely no advance on Pve, i mean whats the point if you dont get rewarded? every player being similar makes no sence, people play Mmorpg's because of that main difference you can gain against other players, because of how it feels to win that awesome weapon etc....

 

Open to views here, if anyone has an other opinion, feel free to say, attempt to convince. Because, at the way the game is looking now, its going to need to be one hell of an arguement.

If you enjoy running after a carrot on a stick then that's your perogative, but how could anyone elses opinion change yours if you haven't found anything yourself that you deem worthy of wasting your time on.

Though reading your post you don't want to be persuaded you just want to rile up people. Comments like: more interesting game such as Tera, or: the way the game is looking now, it's going to need to be one hell of an argument. are nothing but inflametory.

Is a game really suppose to be about the gear you have? I don't think a game should be dependant on just the gear you end up with.

Rather, the game should be more about character development, skills aquired, game play, game theme, etc. 

I don't want to play a game that is dependant on gear to give it a playable factor

Yeah understandable but heres the thing, you would be surprised how many people see it the way i do, the majority of Mmo players, just saying that in a few months i dont think there will be many people playing it. And yes there are other games that do this, unfortunately i would hardly call wow one of them... giving out gear and not obtaining it to do the next raid etc... is worse then no gear at all. Because it removes previous raids and contents from being needed/ done. Even if Gw2 is a Pvp based game, it would still get boring to do the same thing over and over hitting the same every time, not balancing out stats etc...

Diablo 3 is about gear grind, maybe see that...

No but really i think people claiming they need gear grind are just making up stupid excuses, most game if not all computer games don't have gear grind, yet people play them (OP included most probably) because they are fun to play. It is as if i'm going to the Wow forum and say: So this game have virtually no xp grind, well i need xp grind to play mmos... Just ridiculous. You play games because you have fun playing them, ye, you might like some aspect like gear grind i won't argue that, but playing them exclusively because of it? That just doesn't sound right to me.

OP did you ever played some computer games except WOW for more than few week, i mean any fps or rts, anything?

UO never had gear grind back in the day. So, there really isn't a need for it. There are other options out there if you want a gear grinding game.

As many have already said, if you're interest is in the raiding endgame that has tiers of gear with ever increasing stats, then GW2 is probably not for you.

There are plenty of MMO's catering to that market and there are plenty of people who are looking for something different to that. GW2 will be a game they enjoy because it has no gear grind, meaning an even playing field in PvP, no "haves" and "have nots".

It won't suit everyone and clearly it won't suit you, OP. There's little point in trying to convince someone to play a game that has something they fundamentally require missing, so I won't even try. Stick to your current MMO if it fullfils your end game requirements because GW2 won't if you want the gear grind.

If you want to try something different, that has an even playing field at endgame, that frees people to play classes without thinking about who has to tank/heal/dps, that has 3 way PvP battles with Keeps to seige/defend, that scales you to the content to keep dungeons a challenge, and those dungeons are rock hard, smack you in the face difficult, then maybe you could give it a try.

Who knows? You might even find that you enjoy it. Stranger things have happened.

How can it be a bad thing to be acknowledged by your skill and how rare your item looks?

You need to get over the feeling that to advance in pve you need to avdance your ilvl.

I think GW2 will be all about exploiting the weekness of monsters and their tactics instead of killing them with oversized gear for it.

But then again if that's not challenging at all for you, then move along... there's nothing here to see...

Originally posted by Stimos8

Yeah understandable but heres the thing, you would be surprised how many people see it the way i do, the majority of Mmo players, just saying that in a few months i dont think there will be many people playing it. And yes there are other games that do this, unfortunately i would hardly call wow one of them... giving out gear and not obtaining it to do the next raid etc... is worse then no gear at all. Because it removes previous raids and contents from being needed/ done. Even if Gw2 is a Pvp based game, it would still get boring to do the same thing over and over hitting the same every time, not balancing out stats etc...

I think that better gear doesn't nessecarily make a game remove previous content from being needed. All that is needed is good implementation, too bad that no one has actually implemented a really good system with gear. Such a system would give you variation in content to do and motivation, for people that need it that is.

Originally posted by Stimos8

Yeah understandable but heres the thing, you would be surprised how many people see it the way i do, the majority of Mmo players, just saying that in a few months i dont think there will be many people playing it. And yes there are other games that do this, unfortunately i would hardly call wow one of them... giving out gear and not obtaining it to do the next raid etc... is worse then no gear at all. Because it removes previous raids and contents from being needed/ done. Even if Gw2 is a Pvp based game, it would still get boring to do the same thing over and over hitting the same every time, not balancing out stats etc...

As I said earlier, if you want a gear grind then go play something else. Guild Wars 2 isn't about gear grind and the people who want to play it are the people who DON'T want a gear grind. Stop asking for it, threads like these only devolve into flamewars.

Why does everyone keeps saying that there won't be grinding at all?

First of it's true that you won't have to get new gear in a sense of tiered gear
where every consecutive tier has better stats.

But here are two points about gear that people seem to not care about
1. Gear Looks, harder to get gear probably looks "better"
2. Stat Allocation, an item might have +100 overall but some might be more specialized

So you are still looking for 1. better looking gear and 2. better specialized gear and
said that there won't be gear that is very hard to get and might involve some kind of
grind (dungeon tokens, karma...)

The only thing you won't see is a max level sword with 100dps and then a 300dps sword
in the next dungeon, which is a good thing in my opinion because i always felt that
the things i did in the past didn't matter since the new addon's blue gear is better
than the old addon's endgame items (World of Warcraft) especially when it's all about
the stats.

Originally posted by Stimos8

Yeah understandable but heres the thing, you would be surprised how many people see it the way i do, the majority of Mmo players, just saying that in a few months i dont think there will be many people playing it. And yes there are other games that do this, unfortunately i would hardly call wow one of them... giving out gear and not obtaining it to do the next raid etc... is worse then no gear at all. Because it removes previous raids and contents from being needed/ done. Even if Gw2 is a Pvp based game, it would still get boring to do the same thing over and over hitting the same every time, not balancing out stats etc...

As if you can't get end game gear in WOW? I mean wht did you guys do once you reached it? left the game, or still continue playing it because it was actually fun. You guys are talking as if reaching end game is impossible in WOW? Isn't there like million of player with end game gear in WOW anyway?