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So, there's some guerrilla forum posting going on over in the PVP forums on the Official site. One of the subcribers posted a constructive thread where he made suggestions on what they could change to 'fix' pvp. His original post was outright deleted after significant community activity. Now, various posters are engaged in a game of whack-a-mole with the mods (always a good sign) and continue to post the original thread content in differing titled threads. Here's the original post:
When mods get down into the dirt like this, it never ends well. Teala was right, "TORtanic" indeed.
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4/15/12 9:09:21 PM#2
Moderators over there have been in a constant fued against this for months. I've seen many, many constructive post deamed unsuitable for thier forums. They get moved sometimes and placed in necro threads that are so conveluted with other stuff it's impossible to get any POV through. I don't know it seems like it's beginning to boil over a bit on those forums. I mean they can't ban and mod out everything the swarm of shit is pilling up over there. /shrug I don't see why people put themselves through the headache right now. Should just break parts with SWTOR for a bit and let them get a hold of things. I guess it's not up to the players to do that, cause as long as they keep getting charged for those misteps the more they're gonna post stuff. I can only imagine what the "Biodrones" are posting in response, the regurgetated shit that's been passed through secret EA e-mail channels to their proxies.. Their giving people Gamers Stockhom Syndrome over there..  PM before you report at least or you could just block. |
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4/15/12 9:16:40 PM#3
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4/15/12 9:31:06 PM#4
The PvP in TOR is going down exactly the same road it did in WAR with exactly the same excuses from the devs. It won't get better because they won't listen and know better than their players (sic) Brick wall, meet head :-( ________________________ |
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Alders
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Joined: 1/28/10
I cannot fiddle but I can make a great state of a small city. |
4/15/12 9:34:34 PM#5
Originally posted by Praetalus That sounds like what BW would say instead of listening. That entire post is right, whether people agree or not. |
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4/15/12 9:42:14 PM#6
Now I never really read comments, interviews, or posts from bioware before their games started to suck. So take this with a grain of salt but bioware devs are easily some of the most arrogant people I have ever heard. They always talk like they know what you really want and if you don't like there stuff it is never because it's bad but because it's either just different or you don't understand it. Also their forum mods were jerks in beta as well. I will not play a game with a cash shop ever again. A dev job should be to make the game better not make me pay so it sucks less. |
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4/15/12 9:45:11 PM#7
Originally posted by Praetalus Seems to me that the guy who posted that feedback is trying to save a game he really loves. If the devs read that post in that light, it would do a lot of good for the game and for the core of the community.
The main point, to me, is not that the devs have to make the changes or do what the poster says.
The real issue is about how EA/BW approach feedback from clearly intelligent and concerned members of their community (i.e., paying customers who care) that would make a huge difference for the better of SWTOR. |
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4/15/12 9:50:50 PM#8
Originally posted by Praetalus Seems to me to come from a very frustrated person with a lot of passion for the game.
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The1ceQueen
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Joined: 1/02/08
"Always borrow money from a pessimist. They won't expect it back." |
4/15/12 9:51:30 PM#9
Originally posted by SuiMe My thoughts as well. In beta the devs rarely communicated with testers, and when they did grace the forums to discuss something, if you weren't a fanboi, bum kisser, your opinion was deleted or ignored. BW egos were off the chart, and still are.
What happens when you log off your characters????..... |
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4/15/12 10:06:44 PM#10
I concur. I have no idea whether the class balancing ideas are right or wrong because I don't play SWTOR but "listen only to premade members and highest ranked players" is just plain wrong in any case. I was once a member of Malice, one the best PvP guilds in WAR. And we never posted crap like this on WAR official forums. MMORPG genre is dead. Long live MMOCS (Massively Multiplayer Online Cash Shop). |
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4/16/12 12:05:58 AM#11
Originally posted by wowfan1996 When WAR is the poster child for how hard and fast a MMO can fall, maybe you should have. -just saying
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As expected, the mods won the battle by banning the 10-15 people who kept reposting the original thread. But, BW continues to lose the war. Anytime your mods have to be THAT heavy handed to keep control of the forums, you're displaying just how weak your position is. |
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ZoeMcCloskey
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Joined: 7/14/05
INTJ, polite but difficult to be friends with :P |
4/16/12 12:15:13 AM#13
SWToR not a very good PvP game, imo. I will often do my daily PvP quest and all that and it is fun enough. But I wouldn't call it anywhere even close to balanced. Nor is it very complex or as engaging as other games I play. But for me SWToR is mostly about the PvE anyways. I know well now that 2-sided wars do not make for very good PvP games.  |
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4/16/12 2:07:09 AM#14
Originally posted by BardusOriginally posted by wowfan1996 Ooh, nice. "i don't waste my time building relationship in games" - nariusseldon |
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4/16/12 2:43:57 AM#15
Did you play WAR at launch? The game could only be salvaged FF XIV style and even then who knows how many people would return... Anyway, I didn't mean posting criticism and suggestions is bad. I meant three things: 1) Elitistic or patronizing attitude doesn't add credibility. 2) Listening to a select minority exclusively will keep only the said minority happy (at best). 3) It's definitely not fair and not realistic as long as every player pays the same monthly fee. MMORPG genre is dead. Long live MMOCS (Massively Multiplayer Online Cash Shop). |
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4/16/12 2:56:14 AM#16
Originally posted by SuiMe Its amazing how people can invest hundreds of millions of dollars in a product's development but allow the same failed practices to take over. I guess thats what you get when you allow EA to run things. |
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4/16/12 2:59:08 AM#17
"stop being arrogant, listen to your best players and follow their advice: They know your game better than you do. You might think you have solid internal metrics but you are wrong, your metrics are ****. Your best players analyse the metagame better than you can, with better contextual knowledge from actual gameplay experience, so listen to them carefully and you won't make mistakes like 1.2 again." This is where the problem lies in most cases and people never learn, that or they do it on purpose so they can then cry foul when it's removed 'but. but.. my post was constructive". You lose that when you speak in such a way as demonstrated above. I'd say this toward any company bad experiences or not. From SOE, FC, to Bioware, they're not going to raise much of an eye on a moderation level, until people start speaking like this toward the company or each other.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson If you can't argue the point don't say anything at all. |
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Alders
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I cannot fiddle but I can make a great state of a small city. |
4/16/12 2:59:13 AM#18
Originally posted by wowfan1996
Listen to the players that are on 1-2 hours a night or listen to the ones that are on all the time and crunching the numbers, hmm... TOR is in the shape it's in because they're already listening to the wrong people; to the ultra casuals. It's why there's no community, no long term outlook, no MMO or Star Wars feeling to the game. When gear is way too easy to get and the content that delivers said gear is either way too easy or just buggy, it's time to start listening to the players that have long term vested interest. I'm not saying build a game around hardcore players, i'm just saying they know the game better than anyone else, including BW.
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4/16/12 3:03:59 AM#19
Originally posted by wowfan1996 Ahhh, so classes shouldnt be balanced since army of terribads whines about something? rofl thats why SWTOR will fail, because thats exactly what they are doing. Listening to people that pretty much dont know what they are doing. Direct result of that is PvP/PvE that is MORE imbalanced than after alegged "balance" patch. Ah well, dont play any more so dont really care that much, but when PvP is denerating so fast - yah, theyre doing it WRONG lol |
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4/16/12 3:09:54 AM#20
I didn't say anything about numbers. :) Relevant math, logic and statistics should add value to opinions. But this has nothing to do with running a premade or being a member of a specific guild. MMORPG genre is dead. Long live MMOCS (Massively Multiplayer Online Cash Shop). |
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