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  GMan3

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4/15/12 6:23:28 AM#21
Originally posted by RefMinor
Originally posted by GMan3
Originally posted by RefMinor
Originally posted by GoldenArrow

SWTOR might not be a good game, but it certainly isn't a bad one.

It has nearly 2million subs so it's doing allright considering how much BS bioware has pulled off in the past months. They aren't going to beat WoW which was their original plan but they are surely surviving and making profit.

Saying SWTOR is a fail just shows how very little you know :j

 2m subs, ROFL

    Again RefMinor, prove otherwise or admit to trolling.  I also believe this game does not have 2 million subscribers, but since I can not prove it, I will not scoff at someone else saying it does.  I will however laugh my butt off at you for laughing at someone for making an unlikely claim that he/she can't prove, when you can not prove them wrong either.  Seems to me that in this situation, you are the bigger fool.

    As for the OP.  Almost all of the gaming industry has taken a HUGE hit on the stock market.  A lot of that is due to the fact that less people working means less discretionary funds to buy games with when you need the money for things like food.  Less sales go on to mean bad investment opportunity.  Bad investment means that stock prices plumment.  Since the people most likely to be investing large amounts of money are also looking for the greatest returns, you will not see a big jump in gaming company stock prices until a LOT more people are working again.

 Hmm, you don't seem to be asking the person making the statement for any proof as would be the norm for any evidence based science, is this evidence of an underlying bias on your part?

    No, but yours is.  I admitted doubting him.  You on the other hand were weakly flaming him.  You after all KNOW you can't prove him wrong.

"If half of what you tell me is a lie, how can I believe any of it?"

  Zippy

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Joined: 7/24/03
Posts: 1428

4/15/12 6:27:25 AM#22
Originally posted by RefMinor
Originally posted by GMan3
Originally posted by RefMinor
Originally posted by GoldenArrow

SWTOR might not be a good game, but it certainly isn't a bad one.

It has nearly 2million subs so it's doing allright considering how much BS bioware has pulled off in the past months. They aren't going to beat WoW which was their original plan but they are surely surviving and making profit.

Saying SWTOR is a fail just shows how very little you know :j

 2m subs, ROFL

    Again RefMinor, prove otherwise or admit to trolling.  I also believe this game does not have 2 million subscribers, but since I can not prove it, I will not scoff at someone else saying it does.  I will however laugh my butt off at you for laughing at someone for making an unlikely claim that he/she can't prove, when you can not prove them wrong either.  Seems to me that in this situation, you are the bigger fool.

    As for the OP.  Almost all of the gaming industry has taken a HUGE hit on the stock market.  A lot of that is due to the fact that less people working means less discretionary funds to buy games with when you need the money for things like food.  Less sales go on to mean bad investment opportunity.  Bad investment means that stock prices plumment.  Since the people most likely to be investing large amounts of money are also looking for the greatest returns, you will not see a big jump in gaming company stock prices until a LOT more people are working again.

 

Hmm, you don't seem to be asking the person making the statement for any proof as would be the norm for any evidence based science, is this evidence of an underlying bias on your part?

You can simply look at ToR status and see that ToR only has 11 NA and 2 Euro Servers left with an even moderate population.  You can look at the numbers everyday and see huge hemoraging.  Look at those numbers almost every server is dead.  The game does not have 2 million subs, it does not have one million it may not have 500k but theyare not playing most likely the true population playing is 2much less than 500k. At the rate they are losing players there will only be 3-4 populated servers left in a few months. 

Wonder why they are giving away free a free month of play?  Because they need to populate the servers and give the the imrpession people are still playing. 

  NeoZcar2

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Joined: 3/08/12
Posts: 137

4/15/12 6:30:05 AM#23
Originally posted by GMan3
Originally posted by RefMinor
Originally posted by GoldenArrow

SWTOR might not be a good game, but it certainly isn't a bad one.

It has nearly 2million subs so it's doing allright considering how much BS bioware has pulled off in the past months. They aren't going to beat WoW which was their original plan but they are surely surviving and making profit.

Saying SWTOR is a fail just shows how very little you know :j

 2m subs, ROFL

    Again RefMinor, prove otherwise or admit to trolling.  I also believe this game does not have 2 million subscribers, but since I can not prove it, I will not scoff at someone else saying it does.  I will however laugh my butt off at you for laughing at someone for making an unlikely claim that he/she can't prove, when you can not prove them wrong either.  Seems to me that in this situation, you are the bigger fool.

    As for the OP.  Almost all of the gaming industry has taken a HUGE hit on the stock market.  A lot of that is due to the fact that less people working means less discretionary funds to buy games with when you need the money for things like food.  Less sales go on to mean bad investment opportunity.  Bad investment means that stock prices plumment.  Since the people most likely to be investing large amounts of money are also looking for the greatest returns, you will not see a big jump in gaming company stock prices until a LOT more people are working again.

Just a few points here. TOR only ever sold approx 1.7 million copies and never had more then 1.3 million subs. By end of January they were under 1 million subs. Most current estimates have placed the game at between 500 and 800 thousand subscriptions. Still a decent ammount and still within what EA needs to keep the game running. They have to maintain 560k subscriptions to stay at a positive cost/income ratio.

 

Most of the gaming industry is not down in the stock market. Companies are reporting record sales, and steady stock prices even growth in some.. It is one industry that has recovered fairly well. EA is super funny to watch on the stock market because their stock perfectly matches what is happening in SW:TOR. On Feb 2 2012 the game stock stopped climbing and plummetted after the announcement that the game undersold and wasn't retaining expected subscriptions. It then had a series of roller coaster like peaks and drops over the next 2 months then on april 9th prices climbed a few points  and again plummetted on April 10th with the botched release of patch 1.2. 

I have never seen a game companies stocks mirror so perfectly to what is happening inside a single product on the companies line.

http://investing.money.msn.com/investments/charts?symbol=ea#symbol=EA&event=&BB=off&CCI=off&EMA=off&MACD=off&MFI=off&PSAR=off&RSI=off&SMA=off&FSO=off&SSO=off&Volume=off&period=3m&linetype=Line&scale=Auto&comparelist=$indu,$compx,$inx

  GMan3

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Joined: 8/27/10
Posts: 2239

4/15/12 6:44:06 AM#24
Originally posted by Zippy
Originally posted by RefMinor
Originally posted by GMan3
Originally posted by RefMinor
Originally posted by GoldenArrow

SWTOR might not be a good game, but it certainly isn't a bad one.

It has nearly 2million subs so it's doing allright considering how much BS bioware has pulled off in the past months. They aren't going to beat WoW which was their original plan but they are surely surviving and making profit.

Saying SWTOR is a fail just shows how very little you know :j

 2m subs, ROFL

    Again RefMinor, prove otherwise or admit to trolling.  I also believe this game does not have 2 million subscribers, but since I can not prove it, I will not scoff at someone else saying it does.  I will however laugh my butt off at you for laughing at someone for making an unlikely claim that he/she can't prove, when you can not prove them wrong either.  Seems to me that in this situation, you are the bigger fool.

    As for the OP.  Almost all of the gaming industry has taken a HUGE hit on the stock market.  A lot of that is due to the fact that less people working means less discretionary funds to buy games with when you need the money for things like food.  Less sales go on to mean bad investment opportunity.  Bad investment means that stock prices plumment.  Since the people most likely to be investing large amounts of money are also looking for the greatest returns, you will not see a big jump in gaming company stock prices until a LOT more people are working again.

Hmm, you don't seem to be asking the person making the statement for any proof as would be the norm for any evidence based science, is this evidence of an underlying bias on your part?

You can simply look at ToR status and see that TiR onlyhas 11 NA and 2 Euro Servers left with an even moderate population.  You can look at the numbers everyday and see huge hemoraging.  Look at those numbers almost every server is dead.  The game does not have 2 million subs, it does not have one million it may not have 500k but theyare not playing most likely the true population playing is 2much less than 500k. At the rate they are losing players there will only be 3-4 populated servers left in a few months. 

Wonder why they are giving away free a free month of play?  Because they need to populate the servers and give the the imrpession people are playing.

    Good point Zippy, but still not PROOF.  This game is extremely casual player friendly.  Much more so than most other MMOs I have played.  So while I agree that there is almost no chance this game has 2 million subs, I can't prove it and so will not be trying to make fun of people that make the claim.  Keep in mind, that casual friendly also means that people do not feel like they have to play often, but are still subscribed.

    Personally, I would say 1 million to 1.2 million is likely though.  How long they can keep these numbers is up in the air, but I highly doubt they have 500K or less either.  I base this on the fact that on average I find between 50 - 60 people playing on each of the 17 worlds (and fleet) on EACH of the 5 servers I play on.  This tends to be off peak times most and ramps up considerably during peak times.  This is not even taking into account people playing the miscellanious Flashpoints, Operations, Space Combat, or Warzones.  Strangely enough, this only accounts for a "light" server load though it is between 1800 - 2160 people playing on a server even with the stuff you can not count.  Concidering how many "light" servers as well as "standard" and "heavy" I see around the clock, as well as the total number of servers there are, putting the number of subscribers at 500K or less is highly unlikely.

"If half of what you tell me is a lie, how can I believe any of it?"

  Hurvart

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Joined: 11/02/10
Posts: 566

4/15/12 7:03:08 AM#25
Originally posted by GMan3
Originally posted by Zippy
Originally posted by RefMinor
Originally posted by GMan3
Originally posted by RefMinor
Originally posted by GoldenArrow

SWTOR might not be a good game, but it certainly isn't a bad one.

It has nearly 2million subs so it's doing allright considering how much BS bioware has pulled off in the past months. They aren't going to beat WoW which was their original plan but they are surely surviving and making profit.

Saying SWTOR is a fail just shows how very little you know :j

 2m subs, ROFL

    Again RefMinor, prove otherwise or admit to trolling.  I also believe this game does not have 2 million subscribers, but since I can not prove it, I will not scoff at someone else saying it does.  I will however laugh my butt off at you for laughing at someone for making an unlikely claim that he/she can't prove, when you can not prove them wrong either.  Seems to me that in this situation, you are the bigger fool.

    As for the OP.  Almost all of the gaming industry has taken a HUGE hit on the stock market.  A lot of that is due to the fact that less people working means less discretionary funds to buy games with when you need the money for things like food.  Less sales go on to mean bad investment opportunity.  Bad investment means that stock prices plumment.  Since the people most likely to be investing large amounts of money are also looking for the greatest returns, you will not see a big jump in gaming company stock prices until a LOT more people are working again.

Hmm, you don't seem to be asking the person making the statement for any proof as would be the norm for any evidence based science, is this evidence of an underlying bias on your part?

You can simply look at ToR status and see that TiR onlyhas 11 NA and 2 Euro Servers left with an even moderate population.  You can look at the numbers everyday and see huge hemoraging.  Look at those numbers almost every server is dead.  The game does not have 2 million subs, it does not have one million it may not have 500k but theyare not playing most likely the true population playing is 2much less than 500k. At the rate they are losing players there will only be 3-4 populated servers left in a few months. 

Wonder why they are giving away free a free month of play?  Because they need to populate the servers and give the the imrpession people are playing.

    Good point Zippy, but still not PROOF.  This game is extremely casual player friendly.  Much more so than most other MMOs I have played.  So while I agree that there is almost no chance this game has 2 million subs, I can't prove it and so will not be trying to make fun of people that make the claim.  Keep in mind, that casual friendly also means that people do not feel like they have to play often, but are still subscribed.

    Personally, I would say 1 million to 1.2 million is likely though.  How long they can keep these numbers is up in the air, but I highly doubt they have 500K or less either.  I base this on the fact that on average I find between 50 - 60 people playing on each of the 17 worlds (and fleet) on EACH of the 5 servers I play on.  This tends to be off peak times most and ramps up considerably during peak times.  This is not even taking into account people playing the miscellanious Flashpoints, Operations, Space Combat, or Warzones.  Strangely enough, this only accounts for a "light" server load though it is between 1800 - 2160 people playing on a server even with the stuff you can not count.  Concidering how many "light" servers as well as "standard" and "heavy" I see around the clock, as well as the total number of servers there are, putting the number of subscribers at 500K or less is highly unlikely.


But if someone claims there are 2 million, 1 million, 500K or whatever number of subscribers he/she will need to be able to prove it. Someone that is doubting it will not need to be able to prove anything.

If I claim the world will end 2013 I will need to prove its true. If you dont believe me you have the right to ask me for evidence. And without evidence my statement will be pointless. And there is no reason why anyone should believe me. Even if its possible but very very unlikely.

  NeoZcar2

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Joined: 3/08/12
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4/15/12 7:03:45 AM#26
Originally posted by GMan3
Originally posted by Zippy
Originally posted by RefMinor
Originally posted by GMan3
Originally posted by RefMinor
Originally posted by GoldenArrow

SWTOR might not be a good game, but it certainly isn't a bad one.

It has nearly 2million subs so it's doing allright considering how much BS bioware has pulled off in the past months. They aren't going to beat WoW which was their original plan but they are surely surviving and making profit.

Saying SWTOR is a fail just shows how very little you know :j

 2m subs, ROFL

    Again RefMinor, prove otherwise or admit to trolling.  I also believe this game does not have 2 million subscribers, but since I can not prove it, I will not scoff at someone else saying it does.  I will however laugh my butt off at you for laughing at someone for making an unlikely claim that he/she can't prove, when you can not prove them wrong either.  Seems to me that in this situation, you are the bigger fool.

    As for the OP.  Almost all of the gaming industry has taken a HUGE hit on the stock market.  A lot of that is due to the fact that less people working means less discretionary funds to buy games with when you need the money for things like food.  Less sales go on to mean bad investment opportunity.  Bad investment means that stock prices plumment.  Since the people most likely to be investing large amounts of money are also looking for the greatest returns, you will not see a big jump in gaming company stock prices until a LOT more people are working again.

Hmm, you don't seem to be asking the person making the statement for any proof as would be the norm for any evidence based science, is this evidence of an underlying bias on your part?

You can simply look at ToR status and see that TiR onlyhas 11 NA and 2 Euro Servers left with an even moderate population.  You can look at the numbers everyday and see huge hemoraging.  Look at those numbers almost every server is dead.  The game does not have 2 million subs, it does not have one million it may not have 500k but theyare not playing most likely the true population playing is 2much less than 500k. At the rate they are losing players there will only be 3-4 populated servers left in a few months. 

Wonder why they are giving away free a free month of play?  Because they need to populate the servers and give the the imrpession people are playing.

    Good point Zippy, but still not PROOF.  This game is extremely casual player friendly.  Much more so than most other MMOs I have played.  So while I agree that there is almost no chance this game has 2 million subs, I can't prove it and so will not be trying to make fun of people that make the claim.  Keep in mind, that casual friendly also means that people do not feel like they have to play often, but are still subscribed.

    Personally, I would say 1 million to 1.2 million is likely though.  How long they can keep these numbers is up in the air, but I highly doubt they have 500K or less either.  I base this on the fact that on average I find between 50 - 60 people playing on each of the 17 worlds (and fleet) on EACH of the 5 servers I play on.  This tends to be off peak times most and ramps up considerably during peak times.  This is not even taking into account people playing the miscellanious Flashpoints, Operations, Space Combat, or Warzones.  Strangely enough, this only accounts for a "light" server load though it is between 1800 - 2160 people playing on a server even with the stuff you can not count.  Concidering how many "light" servers as well as "standard" and "heavy" I see around the clock, as well as the total number of servers there are, putting the number of subscribers at 500K or less is highly unlikely.

SWTOR has only had 3 servers worldwide in the Standard range in the last month. About 30-40 in the light range and the rest dont even have enough players to record as light status. Oh yeah and EA keeps reducing the number of players needed to obtain light server status by the way.  Light used to be 800 - 1200 now it is 500 -  900. I play on the heaviest server worldwide "The Fatman" and still do not see the numbers of players you are claiming at any point in the day. Fleet stations are pretty much the only zones with more then 10 players ever.

  Shizit

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4/15/12 7:08:34 AM#27

I can't wait for guild wars 2 to come out because your all have something else to do, as all this bitching and moaning about swtor/ea/bioware is really old now.

 

Simple get over it you don't like it then why give it any of your time by moaning about it, if i don't like something i ignore it.

 

Just move on

  Vesavius

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4/15/12 7:09:49 AM#28
Originally posted by Talonsin

"TOR may well be the end of EA or at least bring it to the brink of bankruptcy  "

 

You make me laugh.  EA is huge and has a big stable of games. 

 

I think you underestimate the financial fragility of EA. It was widely stated SWtOR was boom or bust for the company. I can't be bothered to google it right now though.

  GMan3

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4/15/12 7:14:34 AM#29
Originally posted by NeoZcar2
Originally posted by GMan3
Originally posted by Zippy
Originally posted by RefMinor
Originally posted by GMan3
Originally posted by RefMinor
Originally posted by GoldenArrow

SWTOR might not be a good game, but it certainly isn't a bad one.

It has nearly 2million subs so it's doing allright considering how much BS bioware has pulled off in the past months. They aren't going to beat WoW which was their original plan but they are surely surviving and making profit.

Saying SWTOR is a fail just shows how very little you know :j

 2m subs, ROFL

    Again RefMinor, prove otherwise or admit to trolling.  I also believe this game does not have 2 million subscribers, but since I can not prove it, I will not scoff at someone else saying it does.  I will however laugh my butt off at you for laughing at someone for making an unlikely claim that he/she can't prove, when you can not prove them wrong either.  Seems to me that in this situation, you are the bigger fool.

    As for the OP.  Almost all of the gaming industry has taken a HUGE hit on the stock market.  A lot of that is due to the fact that less people working means less discretionary funds to buy games with when you need the money for things like food.  Less sales go on to mean bad investment opportunity.  Bad investment means that stock prices plumment.  Since the people most likely to be investing large amounts of money are also looking for the greatest returns, you will not see a big jump in gaming company stock prices until a LOT more people are working again.

Hmm, you don't seem to be asking the person making the statement for any proof as would be the norm for any evidence based science, is this evidence of an underlying bias on your part?

You can simply look at ToR status and see that TiR onlyhas 11 NA and 2 Euro Servers left with an even moderate population.  You can look at the numbers everyday and see huge hemoraging.  Look at those numbers almost every server is dead.  The game does not have 2 million subs, it does not have one million it may not have 500k but theyare not playing most likely the true population playing is 2much less than 500k. At the rate they are losing players there will only be 3-4 populated servers left in a few months. 

Wonder why they are giving away free a free month of play?  Because they need to populate the servers and give the the imrpession people are playing.

    Good point Zippy, but still not PROOF.  This game is extremely casual player friendly.  Much more so than most other MMOs I have played.  So while I agree that there is almost no chance this game has 2 million subs, I can't prove it and so will not be trying to make fun of people that make the claim.  Keep in mind, that casual friendly also means that people do not feel like they have to play often, but are still subscribed.

    Personally, I would say 1 million to 1.2 million is likely though.  How long they can keep these numbers is up in the air, but I highly doubt they have 500K or less either.  I base this on the fact that on average I find between 50 - 60 people playing on each of the 17 worlds (and fleet) on EACH of the 5 servers I play on.  This tends to be off peak times most and ramps up considerably during peak times.  This is not even taking into account people playing the miscellanious Flashpoints, Operations, Space Combat, or Warzones.  Strangely enough, this only accounts for a "light" server load though it is between 1800 - 2160 people playing on a server even with the stuff you can not count.  Concidering how many "light" servers as well as "standard" and "heavy" I see around the clock, as well as the total number of servers there are, putting the number of subscribers at 500K or less is highly unlikely.

SWTOR has only had 3 servers worldwide in the Standard range in the last month. About 30-40 in the light range and the rest dont even have enough players to record as light status. Oh yeah and EA keeps reducing the number of players needed to obtain light server status by the way.  Light used to be 800 - 1200 not it is 500 -  900. I play on the heaviest server worldwide "The Fatman" and still do not see the numbers of players you are claiming at any point in the day. Fleet stations are pretty much the only zones with more then 10 players ever.

    Flat out lies here.  BioWare announced it was INCREASING server loads and even explained it pretty well in the forums.  They increased the numbers for each category by the way.  Currently, over 60 "standard" servers, 1 "heavy", 3 "very heavy", and 1 "full" server.  This is at 0100 local time (Hawaii, USA).  Funny too, but I have not seen any server status less than "Light" except "Off Line" during a maintenance cycle.

    Strangely enough, I have now checked 4 times and "The Fatman" was listed as standard every single time.

 

Edit:  I just checked again and it did finally go down to "Light".

"If half of what you tell me is a lie, how can I believe any of it?"

  JeroKane

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4/15/12 7:33:54 AM#30
Originally posted by Cthulhu23
Originally posted by musicmann

You don't need to be a stock broker or follow the stock market to know that SWTOR is fail. All you need to do is just play it to realize that.

Yeah man, or just ask the million + players that play it.  Amirite?  

LOL! People really need to snap back into reality and stop bringing up those imaginary numbers.

If 1+ million people would still be playing this game, then there wouldn't be so many dead servers!

Everything below heavy load is dead!

I have characters on two servers and both are now Standard during peak times. This means around 40-50 people in fleet, around 20-30 on Corussant and about 7-15 people on the average other planet.

I have characters on Corussant, Tatooine and Alderaan. Especially Tatooine and Alderaan are totally dead! With roughly 7-12 people on those planet during peak hours.  That's just horrible and a strong indication how little people each server actually holds.

 

To give you some proof.... during the first weeks of launch (when actually 1+ million people were playing), there were over 100 people on Fleet ALL the time (both during peak and off peak hours).

Corussant had always more than 1 instance running with over 70 people in each instance. During peak even 3-5 instances.

Other planets were people spread out more had at least one instance during peak times that holded over 30-40 people in it.

The vast majority of servers don't even come close to 20-30% of those numbers anymore!

 

So please, give us a break....  if 1+ million people are still playing this game, then I am going to win the lottery tomorrow lol.

  Darklighter1

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4/15/12 7:39:18 AM#31
Originally posted by Cthulhu23
Originally posted by musicmann

You don't need to be a stock broker or follow the stock market to know that SWTOR is fail. All you need to do is just play it to realize that.

Yeah man, or just ask the million + players that play it.  Amirite?  

 

 

I wonder this myself.  I mean, if the game is so horrible...and such FAIL.  What does that make people that play it and actually LIKE it....?

God forbid we enjoy something you do not!

  RefMinor

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4/15/12 7:41:44 AM#32
Originally posted by Darklighter1
Originally posted by Cthulhu23
Originally posted by musicmann

You don't need to be a stock broker or follow the stock market to know that SWTOR is fail. All you need to do is just play it to realize that.

Yeah man, or just ask the million + players that play it.  Amirite?  

 

 

I wonder this myself.  I mean, if the game is so horrible...and such FAIL.  What does that make people that play it and actually LIKE it....?

God forbid we enjoy something you do not!

 

If you enjoy it, why care what others think? One of my favourite MMOs had subs numbered in the hundreds and closed down, it still gave me some of my best MMO memories yet no one else liked it.
  Zippy

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Posts: 1428

4/15/12 7:48:24 AM#33
Originally posted by GMan3
Originally posted by NeoZcar2
Originally posted by GMan3
Originally posted by Zippy
Originally posted by RefMinor
Originally posted by GMan3
Originally posted by RefMinor
Originally posted by GoldenArrow

SWTOR might not be a good game, but it certainly isn't a bad one.

It has nearly 2million subs so it's doing allright considering how much BS bioware has pulled off in the past months. They aren't going to beat WoW which was their original plan but they are surely surviving and making profit.

Saying SWTOR is a fail just shows how very little you know :j

 2m subs, ROFL

    Again RefMinor, prove otherwise or admit to trolling.  I also believe this game does not have 2 million subscribers, but since I can not prove it, I will not scoff at someone else saying it does.  I will however laugh my butt off at you for laughing at someone for making an unlikely claim that he/she can't prove, when you can not prove them wrong either.  Seems to me that in this situation, you are the bigger fool.

    As for the OP.  Almost all of the gaming industry has taken a HUGE hit on the stock market.  A lot of that is due to the fact that less people working means less discretionary funds to buy games with when you need the money for things like food.  Less sales go on to mean bad investment opportunity.  Bad investment means that stock prices plumment.  Since the people most likely to be investing large amounts of money are also looking for the greatest returns, you will not see a big jump in gaming company stock prices until a LOT more people are working again.

Hmm, you don't seem to be asking the person making the statement for any proof as would be the norm for any evidence based science, is this evidence of an underlying bias on your part?

You can simply look at ToR status and see that TiR onlyhas 11 NA and 2 Euro Servers left with an even moderate population.  You can look at the numbers everyday and see huge hemoraging.  Look at those numbers almost every server is dead.  The game does not have 2 million subs, it does not have one million it may not have 500k but theyare not playing most likely the true population playing is 2much less than 500k. At the rate they are losing players there will only be 3-4 populated servers left in a few months. 

Wonder why they are giving away free a free month of play?  Because they need to populate the servers and give the the imrpession people are playing.

    Good point Zippy, but still not PROOF.  This game is extremely casual player friendly.  Much more so than most other MMOs I have played.  So while I agree that there is almost no chance this game has 2 million subs, I can't prove it and so will not be trying to make fun of people that make the claim.  Keep in mind, that casual friendly also means that people do not feel like they have to play often, but are still subscribed.

    Personally, I would say 1 million to 1.2 million is likely though.  How long they can keep these numbers is up in the air, but I highly doubt they have 500K or less either.  I base this on the fact that on average I find between 50 - 60 people playing on each of the 17 worlds (and fleet) on EACH of the 5 servers I play on.  This tends to be off peak times most and ramps up considerably during peak times.  This is not even taking into account people playing the miscellanious Flashpoints, Operations, Space Combat, or Warzones.  Strangely enough, this only accounts for a "light" server load though it is between 1800 - 2160 people playing on a server even with the stuff you can not count.  Concidering how many "light" servers as well as "standard" and "heavy" I see around the clock, as well as the total number of servers there are, putting the number of subscribers at 500K or less is highly unlikely.

SWTOR has only had 3 servers worldwide in the Standard range in the last month. About 30-40 in the light range and the rest dont even have enough players to record as light status. Oh yeah and EA keeps reducing the number of players needed to obtain light server status by the way.  Light used to be 800 - 1200 not it is 500 -  900. I play on the heaviest server worldwide "The Fatman" and still do not see the numbers of players you are claiming at any point in the day. Fleet stations are pretty much the only zones with more then 10 players ever.

    Flat out lies here.  BioWare announced it was INCREASING server loads and even explained it pretty well in the forums.  They increased the numbers for each category by the way.  Currently, over 60 "standard" servers, 1 "heavy", 3 "very heavy", and 1 "full" server.  This is at 0100 local time (Hawaii, USA).  Funny too, but I have not seen any server status less than "Light" except "Off Line" during a maintenance cycle.

    Strangely enough, I have now checked 4 times and "The Fatman" was listed as standard every single time.

 

Edit:  I just checked again and it did finally go down to "Light".

Not sure what kind of proof you want without verified numbers.  But you can see the decline everyday.  You say the game is mad eup of casials but there are less and less of those casuals playing everyday.  If it was not losing players once past the forst few weeks those casuals should play at the same rate.

One should note all  210 of these servers 3 months were close to 3.0 now almost all of them are close to 1.0 which is a dead server.  I think its fair to say here looking at the ToR status numbers that the drop off is huge.  Off a cliff.  There are 13 server sin NA and Europe combined that are above light.  Really only 4 servers with many players.  If you look at the numbers there are less and less each day everyday.  Check out the number at the bottom it tells you the toal change for all servers combined.  At this rate in a two months all servers but 4-5 will be dead. 

They really need server merges.  The problem with merges is they are fighting a publicity problem.  They are trying to represent that the game is healthy and doing well so they can sell more boxes and hopefully salvage whats left of the population with 1.2.  1.2's release has not slowed the hemorage of players nor has the free month.  They need to massively merge servers.  It may contradict their talking points about how greta the game is doing but otherwise pretty much every server will die.  One idea that might work in the short run would be to use the Rift method and allow free server transfers.  This allows people to move from dead servers and keep playing without all the negativity associated with forced server merges. Looking at the server list I doubt they have enough left to combine into more than 30 total NA and EU servers.

  Zillen

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4/15/12 7:50:42 AM#34


Originally posted by Talonsin
"TOR may well be the end of EA or at least bring it to the brink of bankruptcy  "
 
You make me laugh.  EA is huge and has a big stable of games.  Some investors might have left when ToR didnt turn out as big as WOW and offer the huge returned they were expecting but EA is far from dead or even bankrupt.  I'm not saying that ToR is doing well or even half as well as EA had hoped, I'm just saying its not the nail in EA's coffin you think it is.

I agree. Perhaps SWTOR might be the end of it's CREDIBILITY in the MMO sector, but certainly not it's actual finanical strength.


I'm really sick of the whole "There's a massive fanbase for X", or "Y would be a WoW-killer if it just had a chance".

There is no massive conspiracy waiting in the MMO playerbase.

There are no "sleeper-agent fans" waiting to convert once the X or Y is unleashed on the world.

  NeoZcar2

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Posts: 137

4/15/12 7:54:38 AM#35
Originally posted by Zillen

 


Originally posted by Talonsin
"TOR may well be the end of EA or at least bring it to the brink of bankruptcy  "
 
You make me laugh.  EA is huge and has a big stable of games.  Some investors might have left when ToR didnt turn out as big as WOW and offer the huge returned they were expecting but EA is far from dead or even bankrupt.  I'm not saying that ToR is doing well or even half as well as EA had hoped, I'm just saying its not the nail in EA's coffin you think it is.


 

I agree. Perhaps SWTOR might be the end of it's CREDIBILITY in the MMO sector, but certainly not it's actual finanical strength.

You have a point. But you also have to figure that they are one of the few game companies that has stock prices still falling on a daily basis and they are very near the lowest point in company history. Also it hurts when your company is blackmarked as "The worst Company in North America" by major financial magazines for poor business practises.

  wyldmagik

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Joined: 9/12/07
Posts: 271

4/15/12 8:00:30 AM#36

I for one hope they dont merge the servers, well not yet for sure, because the netcode for even such amounts of people in instances is pretty much disgusting.

  TheCrow2k

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Posts: 956

4/15/12 8:02:32 AM#37

Hmm guess I should sell my unopened copy of TOR then.

Early Access was enough to show me this game was not really an MMO.....

  zymurgeist

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Joined: 12/24/04
Posts: 5212

4/15/12 8:04:23 AM#38
Originally posted by LydarSynn

That one thing is EAs stock price.

Learn something about the stock market. Then come back and admit how stupid your assertion is. We'll wait.

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  RefMinor

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4/15/12 8:04:32 AM#39
Originally posted by TheCrow2k

Hmm guess I should sell my unopened copy of TOR then.

Early Access was enough to show me this game was not really an MMO.....

 

I would do it before they drop the price of the box, which, IMO would be a smarter move than giving away free time.
  Fadedbomb

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4/15/12 8:04:38 AM#40

Good on the OP for posting reponsible information about EA. 

 

The deal is that BOTH consumers AND investors are pulling their wallets away from EA. Lookin @ EA's stocks to determine SWTOR's success is a VERY good strategy, however you get a much clearer picture when you combine BOTH subscriber number speculations along with market reports in order to "weed out" how much of a Failure SWTOR truly is.

 

 

I cannot wait for people to look back 3years from now and talk about how SWTOR was the tipping point in bringing the MMO market back to where it should be :)!

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