Originally posted by Berikai

Originally posted by Cthulhu23

Originally posted by Berikai

Now I'm not saying it's a bad game,it just isn't for me and I honestly think that with GW2 coming out Tera will fall into the oblivion for many.I've read many people saying how good the graphics are,well to me Aion is as good if not better and I like the way it plays much better.

Two points of contention:  

(1) GW2 attracts an entirely different type of player than TERA does.  I know GW2 fans will dispute this, but the fact is that GW2 is more a casual, carebearish "play at your own pace, don't worry about achievement, we're all on the same level here" kind of gamer.  This is the type of game you play if you don't care about progression or standing out in a crowd.  They put everyone on equal terms and just say, "Go play."  That will be fine for many people.  The people that play TERA, on the other hand, will be the folks who find GW2's system too timid.  In TERA, you CAN make a name for yourself in the world, either good or bad.  The PvP is directly tied into the PVE, not some separate game to protect the casuals from getting their feelings hurt.  The hardcore players will play TERA, and the casuals will play GW2.  

Now, as we all know, there are more casuals than hardcore gamers out there, so of course GW2 will be more popular.  But TERA will more than hold its own and be a successful game based on the players who actually enjoy a challenge.  It will be a niche title, for sure, but it will be a successful one.

(2)  I'm not sure when the last time you played Aion was, but to say the graphics are as good as TERA is patently false.  It's not even in the same ballpark.  Hell, it isn't even the same sport.  Do me a favor the next time you play Aion.  Go somewhere where there is foliage, grass or flowers.  Now, pan your camera down to that foliage, and zoom in.  It has no textures. It's nothing but painted on landscapes over a flat surface.  That may have flown a few years ago when it released, but it doesn't fly now. 

 

Ummnn I've played Aion within the last few days and will take those graphics over Tera.Just cause you're a believer and follower of a game like Tera doesn't make it the end all!!!

 

And to your 1st point,you're assuming I'm comparing to just GW2 and that makes you a fail,all I did was mention GW2 and you think that's all I'm comparing it to,wow that's lololololol and beyond.

 

Oh and to add you say casuals will play GW2 and hardcore will play Tera.Oh my,what will the hardcores do after 4 weeks in Tera :)

If you played Aion within the last few hours and still believe Aion has better graphics, then I suggest seeing an eye doctor.  Unless you are implying that you prefer Aion's art style, which is certainly a more reasonable stance.  But no one with any sense can say that a game that has painted on textures covering flat surfaces is preferable to the graphics in a game like TERA.

As for the GW2 vs. Aion thing, you obviously just skimmed over my post, because I never said you were comparing GW2 to Aion.  I was pointing out that the audiences of the two games can be mutually exclusive.  GW2 being successful doesn't mean that TERA won't, because they'll attract a different type of player.  I didn't think that would be a difficult point to understand, but apparently I was wrong.  

And considering that the endgame content is where TERA will shine, I wouldn't worry too much about what the hardcores will do after 4 weeks.  :)

Originally posted by Berikai

Originally posted by Deron_Barak
Oh, you are right, EME will have to work hard if they want TERA to be successful. From what they have done up to this point I see no reason why they wouldn't. The lines are a bit blurred but EME has done a lot of work with TERA outside translations.

On the original release of TERA you're right, there was no end game, PvP was horrible and there were other issues. To me it was Korea's Vanguard lol. The only difference being content and not technical.

If Tera is Korea's Vanguard then I'll definitely try it further down the line,I have a thing for Vanguard if it's pulled off as far as server stability.Lot's to like about that game.

 Just so I'm not being unintertionally misleading the VG comment was said because of the rocky launch and my belief that, like Vanguard, is a great game that will now be discounted because of it's bad launch in Korea.  TERA is an exploritory game in the sense that it's big and you don't have one set direction from start to finish but it's no Vanguard, I'd have to play more of TERA's world to say that.

Will 2nd the What the talk, tera's graphics are stunning, don't deny it.

Originally posted by Wraithone

Originally posted by DeserttFoxx

Im sorry, did aion fail? last time i checked it was number 1 in korea.. still is, and tera isnt beating Aion in korea.

 

But then again, the devs didnt hit every facet of Aion with the casual nerf bat the way en masse did, so maybe it will be a hit here. since most western players seem to like easier games.

3/10 on attempt to troll ^^

Western games aren't so much "easier" as they tend to be MUCH less supportive of ganking and griefing than many popular Asian games tend to be.  Aion didn't do all that well in the western markets, because NCsoft still to this day hasn't learned the difference between the western and Asian markets.  

Tera looks like its going to be quite entertaining. But what makes it appeal to the western markets, may be one of the factors involved in its lesser appeal in the Asian markets. 

Well you have WoW.... which is about as casual and easy as a face book game lol.

O ya FYI westerner like ganking more than Asian if you didn't know. I KTera the koreans don't OWPVP at all, they dislike it over there for some reason. Its here in the west where people are actively pking.

Originally posted by Berikai

Ummnn I've played Aion within the last few days and will take those graphics over Tera.Just cause you're a believer and follower of a game like Tera doesn't make it the end all!!!

 

And to your 1st point,you're assuming I'm comparing to just GW2 and that makes you a fail,all I did was mention GW2 and you think that's all I'm comparing it to,wow that's lololololol and beyond.

 

Oh and to add you say casuals will play GW2 and hardcore will play Tera.Oh my,what will the hardcores do after 4 weeks in Tera :)

A thing call PvP that most casual player don't understand what it means. It is a true mystry of life.

Originally posted by Avarix

Jumping in late. The gaming community is horrific in general, not because they are xenophobic. From what I hear while my nephews play FPS, they are equal opportunity haters. Also, if you look up info on the DoTA communities they rank as some of the worst, period.

I think you mean the entire country (America) trust me its not just gaming. And anyone who taken any ethnic study course would say the same.

Originally posted by Jetrpg

Yeah he is wrong.

Actually White americans (the majority) have a very positive view of asian population, their comformation bias is not negitive but positive when it comes to them, often times more so that other whites. This is what studies have found at least. In general eastern asian populations are seen as more trust worthy and likeable than even whites (yes the whiter/lighter skinned ones [i understand they are not all lighter skinned cool it bucko] from korea, china, japan, etc).

So xenophobia or racism aside your just wrong reguardless of your argument.

Now if you had said the game was made in the congo or argentina then you might have a leg to stand on.

But what you are attempting to say is that americans are warry of games from korea because they believe they are grind centric because they have been grind centeric because koreans prefer mmos that are grind centeric.

This is not xenophobia nor is it racism , this is a availability heuristic that leads an stereotyping; and for good reason. Doesn't make them right, but to at least wonder about the grind nature of the game is a solid thought.

Actually White american (majorty) only have a postive view of asian population because we are consider the "model minorty" We work hard, keep to our self, and genearly don't mess with politics. Not going to get too deep as talking anything potlicial is very bad on this site even if you use it as examples so lets leave it at that.

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Originally posted by Cthulhu23

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Originally posted by Berikai
Now I'm not saying it's a bad game,it just isn't for me and I honestly think that with GW2 coming out Tera will fall into the oblivion for many.I've read many people saying how good the graphics are,well to me Aion is as good if not better and I like the way it plays much better.

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Two points of contention:  
(1) GW2 attracts an entirely different type of player than TERA does.  I know GW2 fans will dispute this, but the fact is that GW2 is more a casual, carebearish "play at your own pace, don't worry about achievement, we're all on the same level here" kind of gamer.  This is the type of game you play if you don't care about progression or standing out in a crowd.  They put everyone on equal terms and just say, "Go play."  That will be fine for many people.  The people that play TERA, on the other hand, will be the folks who find GW2's system too timid.  In TERA, you CAN make a name for yourself in the world, either good or bad.  The PvP is directly tied into the PVE, not some separate game to protect the casuals from getting their feelings hurt.  The hardcore players will play TERA, and the casuals will play GW2.  
Now, as we all know, there are more casuals than hardcore gamers out there, so of course GW2 will be more popular.  But TERA will more than hold its own and be a successful game based on the players who actually enjoy a challenge.  It will be a niche title, for sure, but it will be a successful one.
(2)  I'm not sure when the last time you played Aion was, but to say the graphics are as good as TERA is patently false.  It's not even in the same ballpark.  Hell, it isn't even the same sport.  Do me a favor the next time you play Aion.  Go somewhere where there is foliage, grass or flowers.  Now, pan your camera down to that foliage, and zoom in.  It has no textures. It's nothing but painted on landscapes over a flat surface.  That may have flown a few years ago when it released, but it doesn't fly now. 
 

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This is a pretty big mischaracterization of GW2 and its players.

How can a game that focuses on competitive PvP be carebareish? Because there is regulation, fair play, rules? I'd gladly take on my team any player who made the top competitive PvP ranks in Guild Wars, over some basement dweller who gets off on "hunting sheep".

That aside, I was just looking at some Tera videos and found this level 20 world boss one:
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7XkibMimRU4

I'm not sure I agree this will be a sleeper hit. I'm sure there are plenty of people who will like it, but it has an Anime feel that I think is kind of niche. The oversized weapons thing I kinda get, but the panty shots are just weird.

Originally posted by Size-Twelve

 

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Originally posted by Cthulhu23

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Originally posted by Berikai
Now I'm not saying it's a bad game,it just isn't for me and I honestly think that with GW2 coming out Tera will fall into the oblivion for many.I've read many people saying how good the graphics are,well to me Aion is as good if not better and I like the way it plays much better.

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Two points of contention:  
(1) GW2 attracts an entirely different type of player than TERA does.  I know GW2 fans will dispute this, but the fact is that GW2 is more a casual, carebearish "play at your own pace, don't worry about achievement, we're all on the same level here" kind of gamer.  This is the type of game you play if you don't care about progression or standing out in a crowd.  They put everyone on equal terms and just say, "Go play."  That will be fine for many people.  The people that play TERA, on the other hand, will be the folks who find GW2's system too timid.  In TERA, you CAN make a name for yourself in the world, either good or bad.  The PvP is directly tied into the PVE, not some separate game to protect the casuals from getting their feelings hurt.  The hardcore players will play TERA, and the casuals will play GW2.  
Now, as we all know, there are more casuals than hardcore gamers out there, so of course GW2 will be more popular.  But TERA will more than hold its own and be a successful game based on the players who actually enjoy a challenge.  It will be a niche title, for sure, but it will be a successful one.
(2)  I'm not sure when the last time you played Aion was, but to say the graphics are as good as TERA is patently false.  It's not even in the same ballpark.  Hell, it isn't even the same sport.  Do me a favor the next time you play Aion.  Go somewhere where there is foliage, grass or flowers.  Now, pan your camera down to that foliage, and zoom in.  It has no textures. It's nothing but painted on landscapes over a flat surface.  That may have flown a few years ago when it released, but it doesn't fly now. 
 

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This is a pretty big mischaracterization of GW2 and its players.

How can a game that focuses on competitive PvP be carebareish? Because there is regulation, fair play, rules? I'd gladly take on my team any player who made the top competitive PvP ranks in Guild Wars, over some basement dweller who gets off on "hunting sheep".

That aside, I was just looking at some Tera videos and found this level 20 world boss one:
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7XkibMimRU4

I'm not sure I agree this will be a sleeper hit. I'm sure there are plenty of people who will like it, but it has an Anime feel that I think is kind of niche. The oversized weapons thing I kinda get, but the panty shots are just weird.

 Just sayin'

Edit: One thing I do like about TERA is that with the combat you actually "feel" like you hit something.  There are two games I can think of that I would have loved had it not seemed like I was just swinging through air.

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Originally posted by Deron_Barak

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Originally posted by Size-Twelve
 

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Originally posted by Cthulhu23

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Originally posted by Berikai
Now I'm not saying it's a bad game,it just isn't for me and I honestly think that with GW2 coming out Tera will fall into the oblivion for many.I've read many people saying how good the graphics are,well to me Aion is as good if not better and I like the way it plays much better.

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Two points of contention:  
(1) GW2 attracts an entirely different type of player than TERA does.  I know GW2 fans will dispute this, but the fact is that GW2 is more a casual, carebearish "play at your own pace, don't worry about achievement, we're all on the same level here" kind of gamer.  This is the type of game you play if you don't care about progression or standing out in a crowd.  They put everyone on equal terms and just say, "Go play."  That will be fine for many people.  The people that play TERA, on the other hand, will be the folks who find GW2's system too timid.  In TERA, you CAN make a name for yourself in the world, either good or bad.  The PvP is directly tied into the PVE, not some separate game to protect the casuals from getting their feelings hurt.  The hardcore players will play TERA, and the casuals will play GW2.  
Now, as we all know, there are more casuals than hardcore gamers out there, so of course GW2 will be more popular.  But TERA will more than hold its own and be a successful game based on the players who actually enjoy a challenge.  It will be a niche title, for sure, but it will be a successful one.
(2)  I'm not sure when the last time you played Aion was, but to say the graphics are as good as TERA is patently false.  It's not even in the same ballpark.  Hell, it isn't even the same sport.  Do me a favor the next time you play Aion.  Go somewhere where there is foliage, grass or flowers.  Now, pan your camera down to that foliage, and zoom in.  It has no textures. It's nothing but painted on landscapes over a flat surface.  That may have flown a few years ago when it released, but it doesn't fly now. 
 

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This is a pretty big mischaracterization of GW2 and its players.

How can a game that focuses on competitive PvP be carebareish? Because there is regulation, fair play, rules? I'd gladly take on my team any player who made the top competitive PvP ranks in Guild Wars, over some basement dweller who gets off on "hunting sheep".

That aside, I was just looking at some Tera videos and found this level 20 world boss one:
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7XkibMimRU4

I'm not sure I agree this will be a sleeper hit. I'm sure there are plenty of people who will like it, but it has an Anime feel that I think is kind of niche. The oversized weapons thing I kinda get, but the panty shots are just weird.

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 Just sayin'
Edit: One thing I do like about TERA is that with the combat you actually "feel" like you hit something.  There are two games I can think of that I would have loved had it not seemed like I was just swinging through air.

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Lol, yeah I kind of stuck my foot in my mouth there, but to clarify I wasn't calling Tera players basement dwellers. That was in reference to the great "hardcore" crowd who generally can't compete outside of numerical advantage.

Originally posted by rexzshadow
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Originally posted by Avarix

Jumping in late. The gaming community is horrific in general, not because they are xenophobic. From what I hear while my nephews play FPS, they are equal opportunity haters. Also, if you look up info on the DoTA communities they rank as some of the worst, period.

I think you mean the entire country (America) trust me its not just gaming. And anyone who taken any ethnic study course would say the same.

Oh and ethnic study course, ohhhh ahhhh, wowwowowowowowowowowowo. I owned everyone of my "ehtinic " study course teacher with logic, didn't matter the classes ethnicities i got the majority to side with me using logic and reality and kept at least a few souls from being taught hate and racism. (That pretty much what they are in my experince, granted only had 3 of them, i also took japanese for 3 years but i had a wonderful teacher who taught japanese and its culture , but wasn't full of hate and tardation).

You know whats funny, the population of americans that is supposidly the least xenophobic want less trade and less intration on a viseral, real, or goods level. They do want to talk alot but you know the saying talk is cheap.

One said instance of ownage, was when one of them were blabbering about colonialzation of africa (2 whities including me in the room) and he was talking about how europe then impacted africa today, etc. got on to the topic of cars, the rich, etc. I i promptly pointed out that he was no longer talking about artifacts from collonialzation but instead talking about forces of golbalization. He disagree, i promptly pointed out said behavior in mosy countries focusing on never those never collonized by europe. He disagreed, class saw the truth in REALITY and agreed with me (was funny one was dating someone from africa and brought him on the discussion). (This guy is super experinced, aclaimed, and also part of the history department [not just arts]).

So his biased are clear, infact none of these classes just taught me just about their culture/history they all attempted to show how the whiteman was the devil.  I find that odd, i am willing to bet most are similar in this way (my own bias, so far supported) you must have this same bias, but believe them to be correct. Why do i say this logic agian, its fun.

"I think you mean the entire country (America) trust me its not just gaming. And anyone who taken any ethnic study course would say the same."

So Classes that teach you about ethnicities also teach you about how all of america is xenophobic/racists?

Bam logic, read it and weep. I would agian examine your own bias before accusing everyone else of it.

Originally posted by Jetrpg

Yeah he is wrong.

Actually White americans (the majority) have a very positive view of asian population, their comformation bias is not negitive but positive when it comes to them, often times more so that other whites. This is what studies have found at least. In general eastern asian populations are seen as more trust worthy and likeable than even whites (yes the whiter/lighter skinned ones [i understand they are not all lighter skinned cool it bucko] from korea, china, japan, etc).

So xenophobia or racism aside your just wrong reguardless of your argument.

Now if you had said the game was made in the congo or argentina then you might have a leg to stand on.

But what you are attempting to say is that americans are warry of games from korea because they believe they are grind centric because they have been grind centeric because koreans prefer mmos that are grind centeric.

This is not xenophobia nor is it racism , this is a availability heuristic that leads an stereotyping; and for good reason. Doesn't make them right, but to at least wonder about the grind nature of the game is a solid thought.

Actually White american (majorty) only have a postive view of asian population because we are consider the "model minorty" We work hard, keep to our self, and genearly don't mess with politics. Not going to get too deep as talking anything potlicial is very bad on this site even if you use it as examples so lets leave it at that.

So you mean people respect people who work hard? Oh wow, amazing. "Don't mess with politics"? Don't vote? or what? Oh you mean don't use race as a excuss to vote for a particular person or as an scapegoat for bad behavior, wow what a high standard. If only white people didn't do these things... wait they don't... well some do i think they are called white supremacists. We generally look down on them, oh and lazy white people "white trash" also looked down on. Myabe its not race, but the actions that are acceptable within a subculture that are discrimated agianst by the broarder culture at large? That seems logical, but its not part of the narative.

Now to be sure there is xenophobia and racism. But ask yourself this who acctualy supports these ideals.There is a differnce between stereotyping and racism/xenophobia.

To get you started ask yourself this question: why do latinos or "african-americans" need to unite? Do all white people need to unite? Do asians need to unite? How about the slavic people? 

Ok agian, lets reframe this in reality Tera is a new mmo, americans want any new mmo to come around so they can stop playing wow like they have been for years. But their hate or fear of asians (which has already been disclaimed infact agree is opposite) is keeping them from TRYING the game.

Or could be they just think that Tera doesn't have je ne sais quoi that mmos need to be the next big thing.

Which of these seems more acurate/realistic to you.

Originally posted by Size-Twelve

 

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Originally posted by Deron_Barak

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Originally posted by Size-Twelve
 

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Originally posted by Cthulhu23

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Originally posted by Berikai
Now I'm not saying it's a bad game,it just isn't for me and I honestly think that with GW2 coming out Tera will fall into the oblivion for many.I've read many people saying how good the graphics are,well to me Aion is as good if not better and I like the way it plays much better.

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Two points of contention:  
(1) GW2 attracts an entirely different type of player than TERA does.  I know GW2 fans will dispute this, but the fact is that GW2 is more a casual, carebearish "play at your own pace, don't worry about achievement, we're all on the same level here" kind of gamer.  This is the type of game you play if you don't care about progression or standing out in a crowd.  They put everyone on equal terms and just say, "Go play."  That will be fine for many people.  The people that play TERA, on the other hand, will be the folks who find GW2's system too timid.  In TERA, you CAN make a name for yourself in the world, either good or bad.  The PvP is directly tied into the PVE, not some separate game to protect the casuals from getting their feelings hurt.  The hardcore players will play TERA, and the casuals will play GW2.  
Now, as we all know, there are more casuals than hardcore gamers out there, so of course GW2 will be more popular.  But TERA will more than hold its own and be a successful game based on the players who actually enjoy a challenge.  It will be a niche title, for sure, but it will be a successful one.
(2)  I'm not sure when the last time you played Aion was, but to say the graphics are as good as TERA is patently false.  It's not even in the same ballpark.  Hell, it isn't even the same sport.  Do me a favor the next time you play Aion.  Go somewhere where there is foliage, grass or flowers.  Now, pan your camera down to that foliage, and zoom in.  It has no textures. It's nothing but painted on landscapes over a flat surface.  That may have flown a few years ago when it released, but it doesn't fly now. 
 

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This is a pretty big mischaracterization of GW2 and its players.

How can a game that focuses on competitive PvP be carebareish? Because there is regulation, fair play, rules? I'd gladly take on my team any player who made the top competitive PvP ranks in Guild Wars, over some basement dweller who gets off on "hunting sheep".

That aside, I was just looking at some Tera videos and found this level 20 world boss one:
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7XkibMimRU4

I'm not sure I agree this will be a sleeper hit. I'm sure there are plenty of people who will like it, but it has an Anime feel that I think is kind of niche. The oversized weapons thing I kinda get, but the panty shots are just weird.

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 Just sayin'
Edit: One thing I do like about TERA is that with the combat you actually "feel" like you hit something.  There are two games I can think of that I would have loved had it not seemed like I was just swinging through air.

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Lol, yeah I kind of stuck my foot in my mouth there, but to clarify I wasn't calling Tera players basement dwellers. That was in reference to the great "hardcore" crowd who generally can't compete outside of numerical advantage.

 Hehe I know I was just being a smart-alic.  You should watch the Warrior video a few threads down.  That guy is funny and at about the 8:45 mark (I think) makes reference about his "three crystals instead of four", hilarious.

Edit: Wow, it was father down than I thought:

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/346933/Pretty-entertaining-warrior-videoguide.html

Originally posted by Castran

TERA failed in Korea and it'll do the same here. The Secret World has a better chance at being successful, meanwhile Guild Wars 2 will be a guaranteed hit.

TERAs pvp looks interesting but it also looks like a grind, and pandas dont help. All three games have similarities marking their generation, but Secret World will seriously lack PVP, which is a shame with its skill system. OF all things I think GW2 will triumph with immersion.

Originally posted by burdock2

With all these other high profile MMOs running ramparnt atm (SWTOR/TSW/GW2) I feel that TERA might just be that sleeper that makes a bigger spalsh than people are predicting. I tried out the CBT but didnt really get into it much as I knew my character was going to be deleted, I didnt want to get too attached. Now that Open Beta is upon us and we actually get to keep the character through to launch (normally unheard of) then I can really sink my teeth in.

 

This will be what Final Fantasy XIV and AION should have been (for the western audience) and I forsee a smooth laucnh.

 

Not to mention, it will knock Age of Conan off for being the best looking MMO. I simply have not seen better graphics (better than GW2 too) on PC, EVER!! Thats right, this has to be the most beautiful piece of electronic artwork I have ever seen!

 

If you have not seen it in action, you are missing it!

 

TERA for MMO GAME OF THE YEAR!!

they certainly spent a lot of time on those boob animations! that's what i call action!

Here we go again with how amazing this game looks.  It just doesnt, it makes terrible use of color samples, textures, lighting  bump mapping and spectral surfaces.

Its overly bright and looks only slightly better then most F2P games pooping out of Koreas MMO shoot..  Also spell effects are rather terrible and sound effects are as bad as they get.

Gameplay seems decent Ill give it that. People are mistaking design for graphical quality.  I think people like the design of the game the "pretty" girls etc.  But the actual envionments are washed out and 2 dimensional looking.

Or people see one highly detailed NPC monster and go WOW look at that, this game looks amazing!!!  You have to look at every part of a games graphics not just one or two things.

Sorry OP but I simply don't feel like TERA will be a sleeper hit.

We already get very mixed reactions from gamers and press alike who had hands on experience  - some who praise combat and look over the other conventional mmorpg systems while others simply don't care about the combat and look at the game as a whole.

Mixed reactions is already a bad sign in my book.

Maybe if it was much less hyped but with overwhelmingly positive reactions from players in general who tried it then ya, the game may certaintly be a sleeper hit. However, that is just not the case.

Imo, the game certaintly won't be a hit but will definately survive and have its own niche. Specifically, for those that don't like great changes in their mmorpg but would instead, just want a more action orientated combat.

Originally posted by Vaultar

Sorry OP but I simply don't feel like TERA will be a sleeper hit.

We already get very mixed reactions from gamers and press alike who had hands on experience  - some who praise combat and look over the other conventional mmorpg systems while others simply don't care about the combat and look at the game as a whole.

Mixed reactions is already a bad sign in my book.

Maybe if it was much less hyped but with overwhelmingly positive reactions from players in general who tried it then ya, the game may certaintly be a sleeper hit. However, that is just not the case.

Imo, the game certaintly won't be a hit but will definately survive and have its own niche. Specifically, for those that don't like great changes in their mmorpg but would instead, just want a more action orientated combat.

Or maybe they want to play a game where PVP and PVE aren't separated? not everyone likes to play carebear MMOs

Originally posted by snapfusion

Here we go again with how amazing this game looks.  It just doesnt, it makes terrible use of color samples, textures, lighting  bump mapping and spectral surfaces.

Its overly bright and looks only slightly better then most F2P games pooping out of Koreas MMO shoot..  Also spell effects are rather terrible and sound effects are as bad as they get.

Gameplay seems decent Ill give it that. People are mistaking design for graphical quality.  I think people like the design of the game the "pretty" girls etc.  But the actual envionments are washed out and 2 dimensional looking.

Or people see one highly detailed NPC monster and go WOW look at that, this game looks amazing!!!  You have to look at every part of a games graphics not just one or two things.

 Can you provide any proof of a F2P game with similar graphics?

 It is very colorful, shiny and bloomy but it does have very high resolution graphics.  Games that go the more "realistic" route, which it sounds like you are more a fan of, tend to look dated a lot sooner than later.  It was the "look" they were going for and style preference aside they did a good job.

 TERA does have great graphics "at every part of" it's look, the environments blend together very well.  You can tell this pretty easily in a game by looking at what was placed in the gameworld and what is part of the gameworld.  You might not like the look but they did a consistant job of making everything fit together.

There is nothing innovative about Tera other then the gameplay. Ultimately it is still just a themepark MMO only they have yet to include important features in it like Battlegrounds and Raiding. If you are looking for a new MMO that is different I suggest steering clear, but the combat system may keep you occupied for a little while. I personally thought the combat system felt a little weak even as it was touted to be really awesome action gameplay. The combat feels "forced" and not very polished (rooting animations,ability delay,ect) almost as if it is trying to be a console game but falling short. I highly doubt it will be a sleeper hit, but it will have a niche audience for a little while before it ultimately goes F2P.

Originally posted by spaceport

Originally posted by Vaultar

Sorry OP but I simply don't feel like TERA will be a sleeper hit.

We already get very mixed reactions from gamers and press alike who had hands on experience  - some who praise combat and look over the other conventional mmorpg systems while others simply don't care about the combat and look at the game as a whole.

Mixed reactions is already a bad sign in my book.

Maybe if it was much less hyped but with overwhelmingly positive reactions from players in general who tried it then ya, the game may certaintly be a sleeper hit. However, that is just not the case.

Imo, the game certaintly won't be a hit but will definately survive and have its own niche. Specifically, for those that don't like great changes in their mmorpg but would instead, just want a more action orientated combat.

Or maybe they want to play a game where PVP and PVE aren't separated? not everyone likes to play carebear MMOs

True, but a LOT do. I simply will not play games that are gankfests any more. I no longer find them entertaining. 

Originally posted by spaceport

Originally posted by Vaultar

Sorry OP but I simply don't feel like TERA will be a sleeper hit.

We already get very mixed reactions from gamers and press alike who had hands on experience  - some who praise combat and look over the other conventional mmorpg systems while others simply don't care about the combat and look at the game as a whole.

Mixed reactions is already a bad sign in my book.

Maybe if it was much less hyped but with overwhelmingly positive reactions from players in general who tried it then ya, the game may certaintly be a sleeper hit. However, that is just not the case.

Imo, the game certaintly won't be a hit but will definately survive and have its own niche. Specifically, for those that don't like great changes in their mmorpg but would instead, just want a more action orientated combat.

Or maybe they want to play a game where PVP and PVE aren't separated? not everyone likes to play carebear MMOs

While this may be true, the fact of the matter is that the only really successful MMOs outside of say, Eve, have seperated PvE and PvP. The MMORPGs that did not seperate them have never really had enough success to be really well off, let alone a "sleeper hit".

MMOs have always been more PvE focused and seperating the PvP elements has been a neccessary evil in order to foster that. Exploration,progression,story, and feeling as though you have a purpose in a living online world is essentially the core of MMOs. PvP does have a place here but it is usually far less interesting as ultimately the PvP game does not change as drastically as the PvE game. What this means for the life of an MMO is that it will always be greatly extended upon with strong elements associated with the my formerly mentioned areas of importance.

Originally posted by snapfusion

Here we go again with how amazing this game looks.  It just doesnt, it makes terrible use of color samples, textures, lighting  bump mapping and spectral surfaces.

Its overly bright and looks only slightly better then most F2P games pooping out of Koreas MMO shoot..  Also spell effects are rather terrible and sound effects are as bad as they get.

Gameplay seems decent Ill give it that. People are mistaking design for graphical quality.  I think people like the design of the game the "pretty" girls etc.  But the actual envionments are washed out and 2 dimensional looking.

Or people see one highly detailed NPC monster and go WOW look at that, this game looks amazing!!!  You have to look at every part of a games graphics not just one or two things.

Could you provide examples of this through screenshots of what YOU consider terrible use of? 

This *is* the UnrealEngine3 we're talking about here...

The length people will go through to discredit TERA in their own eyes. *sigh*