Vanguards launch was a train wreck, I remember after turning the gfx to the lowest setting (had a medium-high spec rig back then) I rolling a ranger and LMAO I started with a dagger and not a bow.

I tried it again about a year ago and looks really good but I had other stuff I was playing - I'll check it out when it goes F2P.

Ahhh yes the never ending Vanguard posts. They just keep coming dont they. Year in year out. It's not that popular because it simply isn't that great. It's just an ok game that has a big open static world to wander around in. There are more interesting (and more modern) games to play......and most people are playing them instead of Vanguard. End of story

Originally posted by neonwire

Ahhh yes the never ending Vanguard posts. They just keep coming dont they. Year in year out. It's not that popular because it simply isn't that great. It's just an ok game that has a big open static world to wander around in. There are more interesting (and more modern) games to play......and most people are playing them instead of Vanguard. End of story

Np,go and enjoy your other games,it really isnt a big deal for us.Perhaps you don't know but the main reason why their have been many more Vanguard post is because it goes FTP this summer and the devs are finally working on the game again.

You really don't need to answer this post because you wont be playing and why should it matter to you.

You will answer though because you wont be able to help yourself.I know,you are going to tell us your opinions on Vanguard going FTP and how it wont matter,the game is dead,right?

Don't bother i saved you the trouble and said it for you.

Originally posted by Sylvarii

Originally posted by neonwire

Ahhh yes the never ending Vanguard posts. They just keep coming dont they. Year in year out. It's not that popular because it simply isn't that great. It's just an ok game that has a big open static world to wander around in. There are more interesting (and more modern) games to play......and most people are playing them instead of Vanguard. End of story

Np,go and enjoy your other games,it really isnt a big deal for us.Perhaps you don't know but the main reason why their have been many more Vanguard post is because it goes FTP this summer and the devs are finally working on the game again.

You really don't need to answer this post because you wont be playing and why should it matter to you.

You will answer though because you wont be able to help yourself.I know,you are going to tell us your opinions on Vanguard going FTP and how it wont matter,the game is dead,right?

Don't bother i saved you the trouble and said it for you.

Or in other words

Originally posted by Adamantine

From the state of MMOs in general today, Vanguard is not just some years ahead of other MMOs. More like decades.

 

LoL True, since its not your generic wow-like themepark mmo thats about all thats been coming out since wow's success. Wow-tards need not apply you'll prob dislike vanguard since it doesn't have insta-gratification or stuff handed to you for no effort.

Originally posted by Skarmy

 Vanguard is my ideal MMO; boasting a massively open world and robust crafting system, why isn't this game more popular? I've always wanted a game like vanguard; player housing, player ships, etc etc... So, why has Vanguard fallen flat?

Just wait till FTP comes out.  If that doesnt do the trick, I promise you, Sony will kill this game for real.

Originally posted by Sylvarii

Originally posted by neonwire

Ahhh yes the never ending Vanguard posts. They just keep coming dont they. Year in year out. It's not that popular because it simply isn't that great. It's just an ok game that has a big open static world to wander around in. There are more interesting (and more modern) games to play......and most people are playing them instead of Vanguard. End of story

Np,go and enjoy your other games,it really isnt a big deal for us.Perhaps you don't know but the main reason why their have been many more Vanguard post is because it goes FTP this summer and the devs are finally working on the game again.

You really don't need to answer this post because you wont be playing and why should it matter to you.

You will answer though because you wont be able to help yourself.I know,you are going to tell us your opinions on Vanguard going FTP and how it wont matter,the game is dead,right?

Don't bother i saved you the trouble and said it for you.

I never said I hated the game. I said it is ok but it's not great. When it goes FTP it will be worth a look. I might download it again and have a doodle around with it until I get bored with it again. I expect more people will play it then as well. Currently though for most people it just isnt worth it

ps. Fixing those ugly character models would certainly make it more appealing for me

Originally posted by neonwire

Originally posted by Sylvarii

Originally posted by neonwire

Ahhh yes the never ending Vanguard posts. They just keep coming dont they. Year in year out. It's not that popular because it simply isn't that great. It's just an ok game that has a big open static world to wander around in. There are more interesting (and more modern) games to play......and most people are playing them instead of Vanguard. End of story

Np,go and enjoy your other games,it really isnt a big deal for us.Perhaps you don't know but the main reason why their have been many more Vanguard post is because it goes FTP this summer and the devs are finally working on the game again.

You really don't need to answer this post because you wont be playing and why should it matter to you.

You will answer though because you wont be able to help yourself.I know,you are going to tell us your opinions on Vanguard going FTP and how it wont matter,the game is dead,right?

Don't bother i saved you the trouble and said it for you.

I never said I hated the game. I said it is ok but it's not great. When it goes FTP it will be worth a look. I might download it again and have a doodle around with it until I get bored with it again. I expect more people will play it then as well. Currently though for most people it just isnt worth it

ps. Fixing those ugly character models would certainly make it more appealing for me

Knew you wouldn't be able to resist,typical lol.

Who said you hated the game,don't think i mentioned the word hate once in my thread.Going by your "end of story" finisher in your post i get the impression you are fed up about reading threads and post about Vanguard.Your attititude tells the story but again,you really don't have to post in this thread or doodle(is that some kind of instrument) around in Vanguard,plenty of modern games you can play,right?

Originally posted by Sylvarii

Originally posted by neonwire

Originally posted by Sylvarii

Originally posted by neonwire

Ahhh yes the never ending Vanguard posts. They just keep coming dont they. Year in year out. It's not that popular because it simply isn't that great. It's just an ok game that has a big open static world to wander around in. There are more interesting (and more modern) games to play......and most people are playing them instead of Vanguard. End of story

Np,go and enjoy your other games,it really isnt a big deal for us.Perhaps you don't know but the main reason why their have been many more Vanguard post is because it goes FTP this summer and the devs are finally working on the game again.

You really don't need to answer this post because you wont be playing and why should it matter to you.

You will answer though because you wont be able to help yourself.I know,you are going to tell us your opinions on Vanguard going FTP and how it wont matter,the game is dead,right?

Don't bother i saved you the trouble and said it for you.

I never said I hated the game. I said it is ok but it's not great. When it goes FTP it will be worth a look. I might download it again and have a doodle around with it until I get bored with it again. I expect more people will play it then as well. Currently though for most people it just isnt worth it

ps. Fixing those ugly character models would certainly make it more appealing for me

Knew you wouldn't be able to resist,typical lol.

Who said you hated the game,don't think i mentioned the word hate once in my thread.Going by your "end of story" finisher in your post i get the impression you are fed up about reading threads and post about Vanguard.Your attititude tells the story but again,you really don't have to post in this thread or doodle(is that some kind of instrument) around in Vanguard,plenty of modern games you can play,right?

Indeed. I dont have to post in this thread......but I felt like it.......so I did. Or am I only allowed to enter threads about games that I worship and adore?

But yeah you're right. Plenty of other games for me to play. However when I'm not playing those games I do other things. One of those things is to occasionally read this website and post whatever I like wherever I like. I'm sorry if that upsets you but you're just gonna have to put up with it I'm afraid.

No need for you to answer this post either........unless you choose to of course, in which case you have my permission.

Peace and love and all that bollocks.

Originally posted by neonwire

Originally posted by Sylvarii

Originally posted by neonwire

Originally posted by Sylvarii

Originally posted by neonwire

Ahhh yes the never ending Vanguard posts. They just keep coming dont they. Year in year out. It's not that popular because it simply isn't that great. It's just an ok game that has a big open static world to wander around in. There are more interesting (and more modern) games to play......and most people are playing them instead of Vanguard. End of story

Np,go and enjoy your other games,it really isnt a big deal for us.Perhaps you don't know but the main reason why their have been many more Vanguard post is because it goes FTP this summer and the devs are finally working on the game again.

You really don't need to answer this post because you wont be playing and why should it matter to you.

You will answer though because you wont be able to help yourself.I know,you are going to tell us your opinions on Vanguard going FTP and how it wont matter,the game is dead,right?

Don't bother i saved you the trouble and said it for you.

I never said I hated the game. I said it is ok but it's not great. When it goes FTP it will be worth a look. I might download it again and have a doodle around with it until I get bored with it again. I expect more people will play it then as well. Currently though for most people it just isnt worth it

ps. Fixing those ugly character models would certainly make it more appealing for me

Knew you wouldn't be able to resist,typical lol.

Who said you hated the game,don't think i mentioned the word hate once in my thread.Going by your "end of story" finisher in your post i get the impression you are fed up about reading threads and post about Vanguard.Your attititude tells the story but again,you really don't have to post in this thread or doodle(is that some kind of instrument) around in Vanguard,plenty of modern games you can play,right?

Indeed. I dont have to post in this thread......but I felt like it.......so I did. Or am I only allowed to enter threads about games that I worship and adore?

But yeah you're right. Plenty of other games for me to play. However when I'm not playing those games I do other things. One of those things is to occasionally read this website and post whatever I like wherever I like. I'm sorry if that upsets you but you're just gonna have to put up with it I'm afraid.

No need for you to answer this post either........unless you choose to of course, in which case you have my permission.

Peace and love and all that bollocks.

You are certainly welcome to post like anyone else, but you are boarderline trolling now. You have no interest in the game, that's quite obvious, other people do...which seems to elude you, and that is what you're interrupting. "End of story".

Many people are excited about the future F2P, regardless if you feel it's a horrible game.

If you question any of this, just ask yourself...why has a thread about Vanguard suddenly become about you? "Because you feel like it."

I was quite in love when I first read about Vanguard.  I thought finally, the MMO for me was coming.  Then it came and we all know how that went.

I never even tried it because of all the people warning me against it.  I may give it a try now, but I'm not sure why.  Mostly, I'm worried the combat will bore me greatly and it will feel like a grindfest.  I could be totally wrong, but with Guild Wars 2 looking as great as it does, I think most of my time will be spent in Tyria.

If Vanguard were updated with many of the designs seen in GW2 so it doesn't feel like one of the older MMO's, I'd sub to it.

Mostly, I love the amazing sense of freedom Vanguard seemed to offer... but it just feels really outdated now, sadly.

Originally posted by Decadentia

Originally posted by neonwire

Originally posted by Sylvarii

Originally posted by neonwire

Originally posted by Sylvarii

Originally posted by neonwire

Ahhh yes the never ending Vanguard posts. They just keep coming dont they. Year in year out. It's not that popular because it simply isn't that great. It's just an ok game that has a big open static world to wander around in. There are more interesting (and more modern) games to play......and most people are playing them instead of Vanguard. End of story

Np,go and enjoy your other games,it really isnt a big deal for us.Perhaps you don't know but the main reason why their have been many more Vanguard post is because it goes FTP this summer and the devs are finally working on the game again.

You really don't need to answer this post because you wont be playing and why should it matter to you.

You will answer though because you wont be able to help yourself.I know,you are going to tell us your opinions on Vanguard going FTP and how it wont matter,the game is dead,right?

Don't bother i saved you the trouble and said it for you.

I never said I hated the game. I said it is ok but it's not great. When it goes FTP it will be worth a look. I might download it again and have a doodle around with it until I get bored with it again. I expect more people will play it then as well. Currently though for most people it just isnt worth it

ps. Fixing those ugly character models would certainly make it more appealing for me

Knew you wouldn't be able to resist,typical lol.

Who said you hated the game,don't think i mentioned the word hate once in my thread.Going by your "end of story" finisher in your post i get the impression you are fed up about reading threads and post about Vanguard.Your attititude tells the story but again,you really don't have to post in this thread or doodle(is that some kind of instrument) around in Vanguard,plenty of modern games you can play,right?

Indeed. I dont have to post in this thread......but I felt like it.......so I did. Or am I only allowed to enter threads about games that I worship and adore?

But yeah you're right. Plenty of other games for me to play. However when I'm not playing those games I do other things. One of those things is to occasionally read this website and post whatever I like wherever I like. I'm sorry if that upsets you but you're just gonna have to put up with it I'm afraid.

No need for you to answer this post either........unless you choose to of course, in which case you have my permission.

Peace and love and all that bollocks.

You are certainly welcome to post like anyone else, but you are boarderline trolling now. You have no interest in the game, that's quite obvious, other people do...which seems to elude you, and that is what you're interrupting. "End of story".

Many people are excited about the future F2P, regardless if you feel it's a horrible game.

If you question any of this, just ask yourself...why has a thread about Vanguard suddenly become about you? "Because you feel like it."

Thank you for telling me that I have no interest in the game, despite the fact that I have subbed to it on multiple occasions in the past and got some enjoyment out of it each time. I also didn't realise that this was a thread where only absolute praise of the game was allowed. It's strange that you think me saying that Vanguard is an "ok game but not great" is somehow "interrupting" peoples interest for the game. How does that work exactly? We're not actually playing the game here. This is a forum where we are "talking" about it. I'm not interrupting anything.......and yes other people are interested in the game. Why do you think this has eluded me? You make so sense.

I wasn't actually aware that Vanguard was definately going F2P when I first posted. This is good news and is something that has been long overdue. I dont think it's a horrible game (although I do think the character models are......oh gosh! Am I troll for saying that now? Heaven forbid). Like I said I think it is an ok game but not a great one, which is part of the reason why it isn't very popular. It has some nice ideas but they were not implemented very well.

......oops! Sorry I forgot to add ".....in my opinion" onto the end of the previous sentence. Wouldn't want you jumping on me for that too.

Hmmm lets ask myself why this thread has become about me......ermmm......sorry could you explain to me why I need to ask this? I never thought it was. Ask yourself the same question

Vanguard is the only game i always come back to. Its just sometimes frustrating but its just like going home everytime i log in :)

 Thanks a lot guys, I didn't expect such a huge response, but it answered my questions quite well. I think once Vanguard becomes F2P I will pick it up and focus on becoming the most prolific crafters ever :D.

Vanguard is the best mmo to launch in the last 5-6 years, maybe more imo, it is just hard to overcome a bad launch.  Sony said they were going to 're-launch' Vanguard after it had some work done on it like 3-4 years ago, but it never happend...Many thought it was due to maybe being in compeition with EQ2...But who knows...

It did seem like SoE was not to invested in VG, or decided it wasn't worth the trouble, it would of been nice to see a refocus and more attention years ago, but I hope it all works out, and people get to see what a nice game it is....I left before the Starter Island, so I have no idea what that is like...But I think you can bypass it also, atleast that was the plan long ago..

Vanguard actually has depth, something that seems to be missing in a lot of mmos now imo.

The reason it isn't more populated is because of the launch. When it died off a few months after the launch (the population I mean) people weren't coming back. The updates weren't coming quick enough, and they didn't fix any bugs fast enough. The game itself was very good just a buggy mess. Now that it's somewhat fixed up and a lot of people really like it, they all go back to it and see how low the population is and just leave. If everyone that left because of the population being so low went back it would have a really nice population. But it's in the paradox that is it's population is so low because of the population being so low. It won't get higher unless people go back and don't worry about the population. 

Originally posted by Sylvarii

Originally posted by Vorthanion

Originally posted by sirphobos

Vanguard had possibly the worst launch in MMO history, with bugs, extremely high system requirements, and the whole SOE/Sigil fiasco.  Had it not had these problems, I think it's a reasonable safe assumption that it could have carved out a decent niche market of fans of EQ1 and other early MMOs.  As it stands now, people are just unwilling to give it another shot, either because they have bad memories of the launch, or because they don't want to try an MMO that is already several years old.

 The one differing factor is that of all these games, VG is the least solo friendly and has unforgiving combat with lots of deaths and / or near deaths and I consider them too many to be fun.  Even EQ Live is more casual friendly and as a result it still has decent numbers even before the change to F2P.

Vanguard is unforgiving but that's whats been lost with these current mmo,to much for to little and no risk.By the time to reach level 55 you will really know your class and be proud to have come through the hard knocks.

Here a tip,slow down and actually think about what you are doing,just like EQ had players do.Vanguard is not a mmo for everyone but that's the beauty of the game,work for what you want and keep what you kill.

 

I think it is a mix of both of these things.  If the game was as good as those tht cheer for it think, then it would be much more popular.  But its lack of popularity I think has partly also to do with its differences from "common" mmos.  Those differences, though, are made worse by the low population.  You can't have a group focused game with a low population.  It will never attract new people.  F2P will help this a lot I think.

I think that the absurd pc specs you needed to actually run this game at the beginning spelled doom right away.At the time VAN came out I had a pc that ran every game very very well and was a slideshow with VG.Heck the last time I tried to play this game less than a yr ago I hit a server boundry that felt like a 10 sec lag.

If you can get the game to run decently this game has some promise as it does have a very good crafting system among other things.Can't wait for the ftp as I will return and play this game here and there :)

hopefully they add some type of AA system or character customization.  Cause as deep as everything else is in VG the char customization is horrible.  Every ranger is a ranger, every bard a bard, the only way to make your char any different from someone else is through armor.

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Originally posted by Myrdynn
hopefully they add some type of AA system or character customization.  Cause as deep as everything else is in VG the char customization is horrible.  Every ranger is a ranger, every bard a bard, the only way to make your char any different from someone else is through armor.
 

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I agree, AAs would be great for the game, preferably ones you were free to work on from an early level.