Trending Games | Pirate101 | ArcheAge | Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn | Wasteland 2

  Network:  FPSguru RTSguru
Login:  Password:   Remember?  
Show Quick Gamelist Jump to Random Game
Members:2,859,197 Users Online:0
Games:742  Posts:6,244,312
Recent forum postsRSS
Active threads
Cloud view
List all forums
General Forums
Developers Corner General Discussion
Popular Game Forums
Click a status to find game forum
Game Forums
Click a letter to find game forum
A-C
2029 Online 2112: Revolution 2Moons 4Story 8BitMMO 9 Dragons A Mystical Land A Tale in the Desert III A3 ACE Online ARGO Online Aberoth Absolute Force Online Absolute Terror Achaea Adellion Aerrevan Aetolia, the Midnight Age Age of Armor Age of Conan Age of Empires Online Age of Mourning Age of Wulin Age of Wushu Aida Arenas Aika Aion Albion Online Alganon All Points Bulletin (APB) Allods Online Altis Gates Amazing World Anarchy Online Ancients of Fasaria Andromeda 5 Angels Online Angry Birds Epic Anime Trumps Anmynor Anno Online Applo Arcane Hearts Arcane Legends ArchLord ArcheAge Archeblade Archlord X Ascend: Hand of Kul Asda 2 Asda Story Ashen Empires Asheron's Call Asheron's Call 2 Astera Online Astonia III Astro Empires Astro Lords: Oort CLoud Asura Force Atlantica Online Atriarch Aura Kingdom Aurora Blade Auto Assault Avatar Star Battle Dawn Battle Dawn Galaxies Battle for Graxia Battle of 3 Kingdoms Battle of the Immortals Battlecruiser Online Battlestar Galactica Online Battlestar Reloaded Beyond Protocol Black Aftermath Black Desert Black Gold Black Prophecy Black Prophecy Tactics: Nexus Conflict Blacklight Retribution Blade & Soul Blade Hunter Blade Wars Blazing Throne Bless Blitz 1941 Blood and Jade Bloodlines Champions Boot Hill Heroes Borderlands 2 Borderlands: The Pre-Sequel Bound by Flame Bounty Bay Online Brain Storm Bravada Bravely Default Bravely Second Brawl Busters. Brick-Force Bright Shadow Bullet Run Business Tycoon Online CTRacer Cabal Online Caesary Call of Camelot Call of Gods Call of Thrones Camelot Unchained Canaan Online Cardmon Hero Cartoon Universe CasinoRPG Cast & Conquer Castle Empire Castlot Celtic Heroes Champions Online Champions of Regnum Chaos Online Child of Light Chrono Tales Citadel of Sorcery CitiesXL Citizen Zero City of Decay City of Heroes City of Steam City of Transformers City of Villains Civilization Online Clan Lord Clash of Clans Cloud Nine Club Penguin Colony of War Command & Conquer: Tiberium Alliances Company of Heroes Online Conquer Online Conquer Online 3 Continent of the Ninth (C9) Core Blaze Core Exiles Corum Online Craft of Gods Crimecraft Crimelife 2 Cronous Crota II Crusaders of Solaris Cultures Online Cyber Monster 2 Céiron Wars
D-F
D&D Online DC Universe DK Online DOTA DOTA 2 DUST 514 DV8: Exile Dalethaan Dance Groove Online Dark Age of Camelot Dark Ages Dark Legends Dark Orbit Dark Relic: Prelude Dark Solstice Dark and Light DarkEden Online DarkSpace Darkblood Online Darkest Dungeon Darkfall Darkfall: Unholy Wars Darkwind: War on Wheels Das Tal Dawn of Fantasy Dawntide DayZ Dead Earth Dead Frontier Dead Island Dead Island 2 Dead Island: Riptide Deco Online Deepworld Defiance Deicide Online Dekaron Demons at the Horizon Desert Operations Destiny Diablo 3 Diamonin Digimon Battle Dino Storm Disciple Divergence Divina Divine Souls Divinity: Original Sin Dofus Dominus Online Dragon Age: Inquisition Dragon Ball Online Dragon Born Online Dragon Crusade Dragon Empires Dragon Eternity Dragon Nest Dragon Oath Dragon Pals Dragon Raja Dragon's Call Dragon's Call II Dragon's Prophet DragonSky DragonSoul Dragona Dragonica Dragons and Titans Drakengard 3 Dream of Mirror Online Dreamland Online Dreamlords: The Reawakening Drift City Duels Dungeon Blitz Dungeon Fighter Online Dungeon Overlord Dungeon Party Dungeon Rampage Dungeon Runners Dungeon of the Endless Dynastica Dynasty Warriors Online Dynasty of the Magi EIN (Epicus Incognitus) EVE Online Earth Eternal Earth and Beyond Earthrise Eclipse War Ecol Tactics Online Eden Eternal Edge of Space Einherjar - The Viking's Blood Elder Scrolls Online Eldevin Elf Online Elite: Dangerous Embers of Caerus Emil Chronicle Online Empire Empire & State Empire Craft Empire Universe 3 EmpireQuest Empires of Galldon End of Nations Endless Ages Endless Blue Moon Online Endless Online Entropia Universe EpicDuel Erebus: Travia Reborn Eredan Eternal Blade Eternal Lands Eternal Saga Ether Fields Ether Saga Online Eudemons Online EuroGangster EverEmber Online EverQuest Next EverQuest Online Adventures Evernight Everquest Everquest II Evony Exarch Exorace F.E.A.R. Online Face of Mankind Fairyland Online Fall of Rome Fallen Earth Fallen Sword Fallout Online Family Guy Online Fantage Fantasy Earth Zero Fantasy Realm Online Fantasy Tales Online Fantasy Worlds: Rhynn Faunasphere Faxion Online Fearless Fantasy Ferentus Ferion Fiesta Online Final Fantasy Type-0 HD Final Fantasy XI Final Fantasy XIV Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn Firefall Fists of Fu Florensia Flyff Football Manager Live Football Superstars Force of Arms Forge Forsaken World Fortnite Fortuna Forum for Discussion of Everlight Freaky Creatures Free Realms Freesky Online Freeworld Fung Wan Online Furcadia Fury Fusion Fall
G-L
GalaXseeds Galactic Command Online Game of Thrones: Seven Kingdoms Gameglobe Gate To Heavens Gates of Andaron Gatheryn Gauntlet Gekkeiju Online Ghost Online Ghost Recon Online Gladiatus Glitch Global Agenda Global Soccer Gloria Victis Glory of Gods GoGoRacer Goal Line Blitz Gods and Heroes GodsWar Online Golemizer Golf Star GoonZu Online Graal Kingdoms Granado Espada Online Grand Chase Grand Fantasia Grepolis Grimlands Guild Wars Guild Wars 2 Guild Wars Factions Guild Wars Nightfall H1Z1 Habbo Hotel Hailan Rising HaloSphere2 Haven & Hearth Hawken Heart Forth Alicia Hearthstone: Heroes of Warcraft Helbreath Hellgate Hellgate: London Hello Kitty Online Hero Online Hero Zero Hero's Journey Hero: 108 Online HeroSmash Heroes & Generals Heroes & Legends: Conquerors of Kolhar Heroes in the Sky Heroes of Bestia Heroes of Gaia Heroes of Might and Magic Online Heroes of Thessalonica Heroes of Three Kingdoms Heroes of the Storm Hex Holic Online Hostile Space Hunter Blade Huxley Icewind Dale: Enhanced Edition Illutia Illyriad Immortals USA Imperator Imperian Inferno Legend Infestation: Survivor Stories Infinite Crisis Infinity Infinity Iris Online Iron Grip: Marauders Irth Worlds Island Forge Islands of War Istaria: Chronicles of the Gifted Jade Dynasty Jagged Alliance Online Juggernaut Jumpgate Jumpgate Evolution KAL Online Kakele Online Kaos War Karos Online Kartuga Kicks Online King of Kings 3 Kingdom Heroes Kingdom Under Fire II Kingdom of Drakkar Kingory Kings and Legends Kings of the Realm KingsRoad Kitsu Saga Kiwarriors Knight Age Knight Online Knights of Dream City Kothuria Kung Foo! Kunlun Online Kyn L.A.W. LEGO Universe La Tale Land of Chaos Online Landmark Lands of Hope: Phoenix Edition LastChaos League of Angels League of Legends - Clash of Fates Legend of Edda: Vengeance Legend of Golden Plume Legend of Katha Legend of Mir 2 Legend of Mir 3 Legendary Champions Lego Minifigures Online Lichdom: Battlemage Life is Feudal Light of Nova Lime Odyssey Line of Defense Lineage Lineage Eternal: Twilight Resistance Lineage II Linkrealms Loong Online Lord of the Rings Online Lords Online Lords of the Fallen Lost Saga Lucent Heart Lunia Lusternia: Age of Ascension Luvinia World
M-Q
MU Online Mabinogi Maestia: Rise of Keledus MagiKnights Magic Barrage Magic World Online Manga Fighter MapleStory Martial Heroes Marvel Heroes Marvel Super Hero Squad Online Marvel: Avengers Alliance MechWarrior Online Megaten Meridian 59 : Evolution Merlin MetalMercs Metaplace Metin 2 MicroVolts Middle-earth: Shadow of Mordor Midkemia Online Might & Magic Heroes: Kingdoms MilMo Minecraft Mini Fighter Minions of Mirth Ministry of War Monato Esprit Monkey King Online Monkey Quest Monster & Me Monster Madness Online MonsterMMORPG Moonlight Online: Tales of Eternal Blood Moonrise Mordavia Mortal Online Mourning My Lands Myst Online: URU Live Myth Angels Online Myth War Myth War 2 Mytheon Mythic Saga Mythos N.E.O Online NIDA Online Nadirim Naviage: The Power of Capital Navy Field Need for Speed World Nemexia Neo's Land NeoSteam Neocron Nether Neverwinter Nexus: The Kingdom Of The Winds NinjaTrick NosTale Novus Aeterno Oberin Odin Quest Odyssey RPG Ogre Island Omerta 3 Online Boxing Manager Onverse Order & Chaos Online Order of Magic Original Blood Origins Return Origins of Malu Orion's Belt Otherland Forums OverSoul Overkings Oz Online Oz World Pandora Saga Pantheon: Rise of the Fallen Panzar Parabellum Parallel Kingdom Parfait Station Path of Exile Pathfinder Online Perfect World Perpetuum Online Persona V Phantasy Star Online 2 Phantasy Star Universe Phoenix Dynasty Online Phylon Pi Story Picaroon Pirate Galaxy Pirate Storm Pirate101 PirateKing Online Pirates of the Burning Sea Pirates of the Caribbean Online Pixie Hollow Planeshift Planet Arkadia Planet Calypso PlanetSide 2 Planetside Planets³ Playboy Manager Pocket Legends Pockie Ninja Pockie Pirates Pockie Saints PoxNora Prime World Prime: Battle for Dominus Priston Tale Priston Tale II Prius Online Project Blackout Project Powder Project Titan Forums Project Wiki Project Zomboid Puzzle Pirates Quest for Infamy Quickhit Football
R-S
R2 Online RAN Online RF Online ROSE Online Rage of 3 Kingdoms Ragnarok Online Ragnarok Online II RaiderZ Rakion Rappelz RappelzSEA Ravenmarch Realm Fighter Realm of the Mad God Realm of the Titans Realms Online Reclamation Red Stone Red War: Edem's Curse Regnum Online Remnant Knights Renaissance Repulse Requiem: Memento Mori Rift RiotZone Rise Rise of Dragonian Era Rise of Empire Rise of the Tycoon Risen 3: Titan Lords Rising of King Risk Your Life Rivality Rockfree Rohan: Blood Feud Role Play Worlds Roll n Rock Roma Victor Romadoria Rosh Online Roto X Rubies of Eventide Ruin Online Rumble Fighter Runes of Magic Runescape Rust Rusty Hearts Ryzom S4 League SAGA SD Gundam Capsule Fighter Online SMITE SUN Sacred 3 Sagramore Salem SaySayGirls Scarlet Blade Scions of Fate Seal Online: Evolution Second Chance Heroes Second Life Secret of the Solstice Seed Serenia Fantasy Seven Seas Saga Seven Souls Online Sevencore Shadow Realms Shadow of Legend Shadowbane Shadowrun Online Shaiya Shards Online Shattered Galaxy Sho Online Shot Online Shroud of the Avatar SideQuest Siege on Stars Sigonyth: Desert Eternity Silkroad Online Skyblade Skyforge SmashMuck Champions Smoo Online Soldier Front Soul Master Soul Order Online Soul of Guardian Space Heroes Universe Sparta: War of Empires Spellcasters Sphere Spiral Knights Spirit Tales Splash Fighters Squad Wars Star Citizen Star Sonata 2 Star Stable Star Supremacy Star Trek Online Star Trek: Infinite Space Star Wars Galaxies Star Wars: Clone Wars Adventures Star Wars: The Old Republic StarQuest Online Stargate Worlds Starlight Story Starpires State of Decay SteelWar Online Stone Age 2 Stormfall: Age of War Storybricks Stronghold Kingdoms Styx: Master of Shadows Sudden Attack Supremacy 1914 Supreme Destiny Sword Girls Sword of Destiny: Rise of Aions SwordX Swords of Heavens Swordsman
T-Z
TERA TS Online Tabula Rasa Tactica Online Tales Runner Tales of Fantasy Tales of Pirates Tales of Pirates II Tales of Solaris Talisman Online Tamer Saga Tank Ace Tantra Online Tatsumaki: Land at War Terra Militaris TerraWorld Online Thang Online The 4th Coming The Agency The Aurora World The Banner Saga The Black Watchmen The Chronicle The Chronicles of Spellborn The Crew The Division The Hammers End The Incredible Adventures of Van Helsing The Incredible Adventures of Van Helsing 2 The Legend of Ares The Lost Titans The Matrix Online The Mighty Quest for Epic Loot The Missing Ink The Mummy Online The Myth of Soma The Pride of Taern The Realm Online The Repopulation The Secret World The Sims Online The Strategems The West The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt Theralon There Therian Saga Thrones of Chaos Tibia Tibia Micro Edition Tiger Knight Titan Siege Titans of Time Toontown Online Top Speed Topia Online Torchlight Total Domination Transformers Universe Transistor Transverse Traveller AR Travia Online Travian Trials of Ascension Tribal Hero Tribal Wars Tribes Universe Trickster Online Trove Troy Online True Fantasy Live Online Turf Battles Twelve Sky Twelve Sky 2 Twilight War Tynon U.B. Funkeys UFO Online URDEAD Online Ultima Forever: Quest for the Avatar Ultima Online Ultima X: Odyssey Ultimate Naruto Ultimate Soccer Boss Uncharted Waters Online Undercover 2: Merc Wars Underlight Unification Wars Universe Online Utopia Valkyrie Sky Vampire Lord Online Vanguard: Saga of Heroes Vanquish Space Vector City Racers Vendetta Online Victory - Age of Racing Vindictus Virtonomics Vis Gladius Visions of Zosimos VoidExpanse Voyage Century Online W.E.L.L. Online WAR (Warhammer Online) WAR2 Glory WYD Global Wakfu War Thunder War of 2012 War of Angels War of Legends War of Mercenaries War of Thrones War of the Immortals WarFlow Waren Story Wargame1942 Warhammer 40,000: Eternal Crusade Warhammer 40K: Dark Millennium Online Warhammer Online: Wrath of Heroes Warkeepers Warrior Epic Wartune Wasteland 2 WebLords Wild West Online WildStar Wind of Luck WindSlayer 2 Wings of Destiny Wish Wizard101 Wizardry Online Wizards and Champions Wonder King Wonderland Online World Golf Tour World of Battles World of Darkness World of Heroes World of Kung Fu World of Pirates World of Speed World of Tanks World of Tanks Generals World of Warcraft World of Warplanes World of Warships World of the Living Dead WorldAlpha Wurm Online Xenoblade Chronicles: X Xenocell Xiah Xsyon Xulu YS Online Yitien ZU Online Zentia Zero Online Zero Online: The Andromeda Crisis Zodiac Online Zombies Ate My Pizza eRepublik

MMORPG.com Discussion Forums

General Discussion

General Discussion 

The Pub at MMORPG.COM  » Should players have the right to access Beta testing prior to launch/release of a game?

3 Pages 1 2 3 » Search
46 posts found
  Damon

Novice Member

Joined: 10/04/03
Posts: 143

 
OP  4/14/12 4:23:51 PM#1

 

The gaming industry continues to grow, finding new outlets in which to reach us, the players.  From well known companies, to the smallest of independent studios, more and more games become available from all around the world.  The design, development, and distribution of this digital entertainment varies from title to title.  It is the involving of players for development on which I would like to hear your thoughts.
 
Commonly referred to as Beta, the focus of this phase in development usually centers on finding bugs/issues in the game itself.  The scope of these issues may be aesthetic in nature or extremely critical, and in turn they may be incredibly easy or frustratingly difficult for developers to fix.  While employees of the studio strive to find, and fix, as many of these issues as possible, it has become a common practice to include players in one or more stages of Beta testing.  This partnership allows the player to experience the unfinished game first hand, while contributing bug reports and suggestions to the studio, ultimately benefitting both parties, and hopefully resulting in a better game for everyone at launch/release.
 
It is with concern that I have noticed a misconception among some of us.  Beta testing is spoken of as an entitlement by players, implying a right to Beta test simply for being interested in the game.  In addition, some players discuss games they are Beta testing in public forums, possibly breaking non-disclosure agreements, and attempting to dissuade other players from considering playing the game.  They may point out specific flaws found during Beta tesing or generalize, but the majority of these players seem to treat Beta testing as a demo of the game.
 
Players certainly have the right to voice their opinions about games, and this website offers a fantastic forum for doing just that.  However, it is specifically in regard to Beta testing that I hope you will share your thoughts.  
 
Do you believe that players should have the right to access Beta testing prior to launch/release of a game - why or why not?

Operating System Windows 8.1 Pro (64-bit)
Motherboard EVGA X58 Classified (Socket LGA1366)
Processor Intel Core i7 960 Bloomfield (3.2Ghz CPUs)
Memory 24GB DDR3 1600 PC3 12800 Triple Channel (G.SKILL Ripjaw)
Video Card EVGA GTX 590 Classified 3GB DDR5
Storage Kingston HyperX 3K SSD (120GB & 480GB)

  Vesavius

Old School

Joined: 3/08/04
Posts: 7195

Players come for the game, but they stay for the people- Most Devs have forgotten this.

4/14/12 4:29:36 PM#2

It is with concern that I have noticed a misconception among some of us. Beta testing is spoken of as an entitlement by players, implying a right to Beta test simply for being interested in the game. In addition, some players discuss games they are Beta testing in public forums, possibly breaking non-disclosure agreements, and attempting to dissuade other players from considering playing the game. They may point out specific flaws found during Beta tesing or generalize, but the majority of these players seem to treat Beta testing as a demo of the game.

 Commerical

Commercial beta tests ARE a demo of the game, like it or not.

I also consider it a good thing others try and dissuade other from wasting their money based on their own bad experience. This is consumer supporting consumer, and thats a good thing.

 

I take it as a sign of confidence in their product if a Dev offers a commericial 'beta' or a trial for their game before/ at launch.

If a Dev is hiding behind a NDA at the point where they ask for money then I have to ask myself... do I trust this Dev? Do I know their product? Do i have faith in their ability to deliver?

In the case of, say, FC with TSW that answer would obviously be- yes, I know them and their product, and no I do NOT trust them.

With ANet it is- yes, I know and trust them.

If ANet ever birn me the same way FC has (twice!!) then obviously I will re-evaluate this.

 

 

 

 
  Slampig

Hard Core Member

Joined: 12/29/03
Posts: 2391

Whatever you do, do NOT speak ill of Asheron's Call 2...

4/14/12 4:33:04 PM#3

Maybe if people actually TESTED instead of just looking for a free trial...

That Guild Wars 2 login screen knocked up my wife. Must be the second coming!

  tinuelle

Novice Member

Joined: 12/10/08
Posts: 290

It's all about pushing the right buttons

4/14/12 4:34:48 PM#4

NO.

WHY? Nobody has any right to anything that they do not own or have bought.

Players have as much right to access Beta testing prior to release as they have the right to subscription free games.

Of course, it would be nice to have the option, but claiming it as a right is way beyond fantasy.

I'm betting that beta testing sooner or later will be a part of the pre purchase industry standard, where you prepurchase the game and are allowed to do the job of testing and improving the game for free............. where you get the right to pay for the unfinished game, and then invest time in it to finish it.

  spookydom

Apprentice Member

Joined: 7/25/08
Posts: 1807

I'm a lvl 50 Batman!

4/14/12 4:35:07 PM#5

Hmmmm.........Back in the old days definitley not. However the world has changed now. If publishers are asking people to put down large sums of money before a release date is even set for pre-orders and collectors editions, then those players are contributing to the development of the game imo and should be alowed in the test.  Also, as many of us have been badly stung by AAA  releases over the last 6-7 years then I feel it's only natural for people to want to get a early peak at the game to see if it's something they want to buy. However the sense of entitlement that a lot of posters and gamers I have seen vocalising their opinions on these boards and others is enough to make you loose faith in humanity. I think once companies started advertising beta access as a selling point that they changed the nature of the whole process.

  DarkPony

Steed of Tardcore

Joined: 8/29/08
Posts: 5637

Confident, cocky, lazy, dead.

4/14/12 4:42:59 PM#6
Originally posted by Damon

 *snip*

It is with concern that I have noticed a misconception among some of us.  Beta testing is spoken of as an entitlement by players, implying a right to Beta test simply for being interested in the game.

It's also with concern that I've noticed a trend of developers using public betas mainly as a part of a game's marketing program; advertising guaranteed beta access as a prepurchase perk, making them short to just get a glimpse of low level gameplay and not really use them for testing purposes anyway. Though there might be players stumbling over unknown bugs now and then in a beta weekend, chances are that extensive closed, in-house beta testing already got 99% of bugs and issues listed.

We see this kind of practice more and more with AAA releases. In that sense I really have to aplaud the ArchAge developers for their long, open betas without NDA and without other strings attached. It's a much more honest and less cocky way to handle it in my opinion.

  Lissyl

Advanced Member

Joined: 4/12/12
Posts: 249

Why yes, I DO like healing and the Trinity!

4/14/12 4:48:04 PM#7

I think 'right' is a poor choice of words.  I think that any company asking money from players should offer a sample of their product via an extended Open Beta, however, and leave Closed Beta and NDA's to actual testers, the way it was previously.

However, I would also point out that the rules of Open Beta should be downright draconian in that if a player wants to participate in it, they do so under no illusions that they can be/will be banned at any time for activities like 'trolling'.  I've just finished the CBT series on TERA, for instance, and have encountered no small number of people who won't purchase it because they thought that the community was going to be as atrocious as what they saw in the beta which was positively overflowing with so-called trolls.  The only response to their presence was 'thats the way it is', and that is no answer at all.

So in summary: No, not a 'right', but a fair expectation given the amount of money being asked of them.  Whether the industry responds to this fair expectation is another thing entirely.

  RefMinor

Novice Member

Joined: 7/16/11
Posts: 3542

Hipster

4/14/12 4:49:02 PM#8
Originally posted by DarkPony
Originally posted by Damon

 *snip*

It is with concern that I have noticed a misconception among some of us.  Beta testing is spoken of as an entitlement by players, implying a right to Beta test simply for being interested in the game.

It's also with concern that I've noticed a trend of developers using public betas mainly as a part of a game's marketing program; advertising guaranteed beta access as a prepurchase perk, making them short to just get a glimpse of low level gameplay and not really use them for testing purposes anyway. Though there might be players stumbling over unknown bugs now and then in a beta weekend, chances are that extensive closed, in-house beta testing already got 99% of bugs and issues listed.

We see this kind of practice more and more with AAA releases. In that sense I really have to aplaud the ArchAge developers for their long, open betas without NDA and without other strings attached. It's a much more honest and less cocky way to handle it in my opinion.

 

Sums it up well
  JoeyMMO

Advanced Member

Joined: 10/09/11
Posts: 1330

To busy playing GW2 to post much around here... *shrug*

4/14/12 4:50:37 PM#9

You don't have a right to beta test anything. However companies will often use beta access as a means to spread the word. When large amounts of people get access to a beta, why would X get in and Y not? The company has the option of keeping betas closed. When they go for a public beta, then I don't see why a consumer couldn't see that as a right. You're as entitled to try it as the next guy, so I guess that's a bit of a right even if it means nothing at all.

  Dragim

Advanced Member

Joined: 1/30/04
Posts: 848

4/14/12 4:54:34 PM#10

Beta testing is a hot button for me, and I think that they should be very limited.

Companies need to pay people minimum wage to internally test their games.  Open/closed betas just don't seem to work as well as they intend, and of course, leaks happen.  I will list several, personal, reasons as to why I don't like open betas, or big betas.

It IS a marketing ploy that almost ALWAYS fails horribly.  Let me explain why I say it fails and doesn't work.

        A:) People see the game, play the game, THEN decide they don't want to purchase it.  This, in my opinion, leads to less sales because these same people would most likely puchase it anyways just to try it out.  This leads me to my second point.

        B:)  Beta testers use up all the content.  In beta, well, in these "new AAA title betas" users are able to experience most if not all of the game content, in beta.  They experience this content while it is buggy, thus causing them anger and pleasure at the same time depending on how the bug affects them.  Let me elaborate further...

                               B1:)  When people experience all the content in beta, they witch and moan when the game actually comes out.  They reach the top tier level within a week - a month, depending on the player because they have already experienced everything in the game, they know the secrets/best spots to level, and they do it super fast to be "#1 (insert class".  After this happens, they complain.  They complain about everything.  You can refute this, but look on any forum a month or two after release, People Are Complaining, People are leaving, not in small numbers, but in large numbers.

                               B2:) A company gets excited and releases 100 servers on launch day.  While this is good, and it appeases the gamers initially, a good percent of them generally crumble ruining the experience for everyone else on the server.  Too often companies cut and cut to make a few unhappy gamers happy, but these unhappy gamers who were unhappy initially then got appeased are most likely to become unhappy later on, continiously ruining the gaming experience for everyone else who is involved.

        C:) People don't actually report bugs.  OK, some people do, but the majority?  They are in it for the "trial".  They are in it to find out all the secrets, to find out how to be number 1 on launch day, how to be so good that they can talk crap on the actual new players.  I understand you need to "stress test" servers, but honestly...with so many MMOs out, do you REALLY need to stress test?  Can they not learn from previouse experience and know what their servers can generally handle?  I am sure each game is different and I am no pro game tech person by any means, but aren't MMO servers...MMO servers?

 

I have been in my fair share alpha beta tests, closed beta tests, and open beta tests.  I have been MMO gaming since 1999 and after so many years of MMO gaming, testing and what not, this is my personal conclusion that I have come to.

Beta tests should be limited, if not internal, and people honestly should not complain when they don't get their "free trials in order to see how to level the fastest then complain when they get to top level and are bored."  Refute this all you want, but in my opinion this is the number one thing that I hate about betas.  People use up all the content, then witch and moan about nothing to do.  This ruins the experience for everyone else that enjoy the game because they bail, make servers empty, ruin the economy and generally provide a bad attitude that influences the community that they are in.

Sorry about the long post, but yep!

 

I am entitled to my opinions, misspellings, and grammatical errors.

  waynejr2

Hard Core Member

Joined: 4/12/11
Posts: 3735

RIP City of Heroes!

4/14/12 5:00:24 PM#11

There is no such right.

  Velocinox

Apprentice Member

Joined: 3/15/06
Posts: 647

4/14/12 5:02:12 PM#12

So an MMO lemon law?

Sounds great, but the government doesn't take the industry seriously enough to police it, much less look out for its customers rights.

 

'Sandbox MMO' is a PTSD trigger word for anyone who has the experience to know that anonymous players invariably use a 'sandbox' in the same manner a housecat does.


No game is more fun than the one you can't play, and no game is more boring than the one you've become familiar with.


How to become a millionaire:
Start with a billion dollars and make an MMO.

  Betakodo

Apprentice Member

Joined: 2/16/12
Posts: 339

4/14/12 5:04:52 PM#13

Has anyone saved themselves $60 or the sub fee by beta testing the game? You got to see how the company treats it's customers, takes feedback and see how the game is. I've done it before, FFXIV beta was a good case. Me and my friends were hyped for the game, played it, found we had nothing to do but grind after our 8 daily quests were done and we saved ourselves $60 of awfulness. Oh yeah, and the FFXIV team at the time plugged their ears and said no feedback, JP ONRY. Glad they got what was coming to them.

Is it a right? Well, would you rather have people in the beta who just want to play it while it's free, while not letting people who are actually going to pay from playing? Most MMO games are moving towards F2P anyways, I don't see why it would really be an issue in the near future.

I never seen players feeling entitled to being in a beta, only going nuts at the chance to get access to one by contests. If you're referencing GW2, people paid $60 to get access way before they even have a release date, with the guarantee that they get access to beta weekends. Some people are feeling Anet is just calling betas something else, like this weekend's stress test, which was yesterday and some today, thereby keeping out people who paid $60. A lazy day zeta test would be another term for it. Anything that doesn't include beta or weekend you can exclude the people who paid.

Really, I haven't seen players feeling entitled to any beta access. Instead they've been jumpling on each other just trying to apply, that's it. I have however, seen people defending companies for no reason, which is a more disturbing trend. Still, the right? No. But the companies usually have open betas now, so what difference does having a right make?

  yutty

Novice Member

Joined: 10/18/04
Posts: 190

4/14/12 5:09:48 PM#14

no

  GeezerGamer

Elite Member

Joined: 4/03/12
Posts: 4769

4/14/12 5:17:36 PM#15

What they need to do is stop calling it beta and call it public review or something.

 

It's the sad state of the genre. The next big title has as many threads discussing issues with it's business model than issues with the game itself.

  Mehve

Novice Member

Joined: 3/20/10
Posts: 489

4/14/12 5:19:21 PM#16

Been screwed over way too many times in the past by undelivered promises. At this point, nevermind whether I pre-purchased or not, I consider the onus on the developer/publisher to be willing to let me play their game if they expect money from me. In fact, this extends to any single-player games too - demo or gtfo.

I suppose that this is horribly arrogant on my part, and I know I didn't have this attitude 4-5 years ago, but it's pretty much a necessity now. There's no overseeing commission in existance, online review sites are thoroughly untrustworthy and usually incompetant, and online word-of-mouth is suspect, with the IQ of a concussion moose. Game companies repeatedly and consistantly fail to deliver on promises, and suffer very few meaingful consequences from it. So the only protective barrier left involves experiencing the game personally - before purchase.

So yeah, I'd better get beta/pretrial/whatever access if I go to the extent of actually putting money down for it. If they want to call it a "beta", go right ahead. I'll even post any bugs/glitches that I manage to find, even if I don't particularly believe it'll accomplish anything. But fair warning - deep down, I'll probably be treating it as a finished product that will help me decide whether it's worth anything.

A Modest Proposal for MMORPGs:
That the means of progression would not be mutually exclusive from the means of enjoyment.

  Distopia

Drifter

Joined: 11/22/05
Posts: 15613

"what a boring life, HATING everything" -Gorilla Biscuits

4/14/12 5:22:08 PM#17
Originally posted by Slampig

Maybe if people actually TESTED instead of just looking for a free trial...

This is about just prior to launch, at that point testing has been done, the question is essentially should they offer a free preview before launch?

I don't think it's something they should have to do, it is certainly nice when they do though.

For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson

It is a sign of a defeated man, to attack at ones character in the face of logic and reason- Me

  Thorkune

Spotlight Poster

Joined: 9/28/06
Posts: 1821

Dyslexics of the world...UNTIE!

4/14/12 5:22:36 PM#18
Originally posted by Slampig

Maybe if people actually TESTED instead of just looking for a free trial...

This  /\

  bomber009

Novice Member

Joined: 11/26/05
Posts: 21

4/14/12 5:29:35 PM#19

Beta testing is not a right.  Beta testing is a job.  I think that giving people that pre-order access to beta is wrong as well.

  KyutaSyuko

Elite Member

Joined: 3/30/05
Posts: 233

4/14/12 5:30:37 PM#20

I've always considered Beta tests to be a privilege not a right.  I also figured the companies gave us Dev clients that sent them gameplay data as we played.  Also everyone should know that open betas are meant as a stress test for the servers to make sure they can handle the load.

3 Pages 1 2 3 » Search