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General Discussion  » Dont have a level 50? Drop sub for a month.

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  fundayz

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4/13/12 9:16:48 AM#141
Originally posted by ktanner3

Theres a good discussion about this going on at the oficial boards. The majority of the posters there who have 50s are sympathetic to this. There are a LOT of people who have been subbed since december and  don't have a 50 yet.

Yeah, I'm surprised at the number of people who don't have a max level character.

You would think that BW would have looked at their user metrics before laaunching a promotion that spits in the face of such a large portion of their playerbase. They must be so desperate to stop max-level players from leaving that they are overlooking their satisfied customers; that is a deadly mistake for a service business.

I've said before and I'll say it again: Bad leadership doomed SWTOR from the very beginning.

  User Deleted
4/13/12 9:24:53 AM#142
Originally posted by fundayz
Originally posted by ktanner3

Theres a good discussion about this going on at the oficial boards. The majority of the posters there who have 50s are sympathetic to this. There are a LOT of people who have been subbed since december and  don't have a 50 yet.

Yeah, I'm surprised at the number of people who don't have a max level character.

You would think that BW would have looked at their user metrics before laaunching a promotion that spits in the face of such a large portion of their playerbase. They must be so desperate to stop max-level players from leaving that they are overlooking their satisfied customers; that is a deadly mistake for a service business.

I've said before and I'll say it again: Bad leadership doomed SWTOR from the very beginning.

Bad or none? SWTOR looks more like a Frankenstein's creature to me as a consistent harmonious piece, lacking a general unifying thought behind it.

  someforumguy

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4/13/12 10:16:59 AM#143

Well, I guess that is one way of making sure to piss off the players that don't have a lvl50 toon at this moment. Didn't know that playstyle tells something about loyality to the game. All those players pay the same sub price. This is a PR fuck up.

  ktanner3

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4/13/12 10:21:16 AM#144
Originally posted by Talonsin

(edit) This was in regards to Paithans post above

Seriously, just because I play differently than you and did not get a char to 50 does not mean I am less of a customer.  I have a wife, kids, a job and am working on my masters.  I would love to have 20 hours a week to play but I dont.  I also like to read the mission text and actually listen to the voiceovers in the game.  I admire the artwork and take screenshots and send it to friends.  Just because I didnt hit 50 does not mean I am less of a player.

I agree with you. This was a BAD move by bioware. It really has me thinking about stopping my sub.

Currently Playing: Star Wars The Old Republic

  Talonsin

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OP  4/13/12 10:31:55 AM#145

Tanner, do me a favor and drop your sub today, just for a few days and then you can pick it back up.  Every little bit helps get the message across to Bioware.

Thanks

  pifias

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4/13/12 11:25:19 AM#146

Saying "is a kick to the teeth to players who may have purchased the CE on day one and have been loyal customers for the entire time the game has been live but did not play enough to get to level 50 on one char" is a complete lie. If you don't have a level 50 for whatever reason and you started playing on day 1, you made your choice. Just as BW made their choice by giving those that did, the free month. Maybe you didn't like the wording they used and I can understand just that.

Im a gamer but I have a life. I have a beautiful 2 year old daughter I go see everyday after I get out of work. Im also in a relationship and I live with my grandfather taking care of him.

That said. I have 2 level 50's a level 40 and 3 level 20 toons and I only play 2 hours a day at most. Am I grateful because they gave players who hit 50 a free month of subscription. Yes. Would I be mad if they gave all the players regardless of having a level 50 toon a free month? No. Why would I? And to be honest, if you don't plan on playing at least 3-5 hours a week on an MMO, why play one at all? All MMO's require time and some dedication. If you think I'm mistaken, I'm sorry for you but it's the truth and you are better off playing a game like Diablo or Guildwars that dont require as much time and dedication and may fit your playing time. Just saying.

You say "to single one group out based NOT on amount of money paid or support to the company but instead to base it on play style is not a good business decision" What kind of playstyle are your referring to that 4 months down the road you don't have a 50 yet?  Assuming we are still talking about people who bought the game on day 1. Are you telling me that you like to play ALTs to  X level , then stop and level another toon to X level, rinse and repeat? You don't want to reach endgame on any toon on an MMO? Really? And complain because some kind of reward was giving to people who has? Or are you one of the many that stopped playing for X amount of time, then came back and now wish you had stayed and had a 50 so you could get a free month and most likely leave again after that? Either way, its your choosing of playstyle that you don't have a 50 yet and you shouldn't feel its unfair.

  Talonsin

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OP  4/13/12 12:06:17 PM#147

I play once every week or two with some friends, at least I used to before all this.  We roleplay and take our time.  I make a good living and currently sub to several different games so unlike many of you who only play one primary MMO my enjoyment from the game comes a bit differently.  So you are saying it is fair to single me out since I didnt play as much as you?  How is that an honest and fair way for a company to evaluate its customers? 

You guys pushing the level 50 thing are basing your argument that there was some achievement to be unlocked at 50 by everyone.  I am not having an issue with all the cool gear that level 50's get and I dont.  I made a choice NOT to get to 50 yet and not get that gear.  I didnt get to make a choice about getting free game time.  I didnt get an email from Bioware telling me I was a valued customer.  Would it be fair if Bioware gave everyone on one server free gametime due to its low population?  Your arguement could then be, "you had the choice to play on that server".  Your argument doesnt hold.  For a company to just come out and say this player is worth more to us than another and judge it strictly by play style is unfair. 

Would it be fair for Bioware to give extras for paying more for different versions of the game like CE?  Yes, everyone would know from the beginning that buying the lesser version gives you less.  I on the other hand paid for the CE and I subbed from day one.  What makes me less valuable to Bioware as a customer?  Where was my prior knowledge that my choice to level slowly and enjoy the game in my own way would make me a less valued member than a guy who paid less for his game 30 days ago, rushed through his content on one char and then complained on the official forums for a week about the lack of content?

  User Deleted
4/13/12 12:18:10 PM#148

It seems odd that EA is punishing the only playstyle that will give this game any legs at all.  They've even encouraged people to roll alts and put in the legacy system to further push you toward making alts.

 

I understand why they did it, 50's are simply leaving the game when the hit level cap so 30 days free doesn't really cost EA anything since a lot of those people would have quit, but it is sort of demeaning to the people who played as they were told to play.

 

"As a thanks for being one of our most valued players, every active account with a Level 50... "

 

Just a bit of tweaking of this statement and they wouldn't have caused such a stir.  Maybe substituting 'determined' for 'valued'.

 

Anyway, I get 7 free days!  Woot.

 

I'm going to go roll a new toon on the FATMAN server.

 

  Paragus1

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4/13/12 12:24:38 PM#149

What is this?  I don't even...

  User Deleted
4/13/12 12:26:17 PM#150
Originally posted by pifias

Saying "is a kick to the teeth to players who may have purchased the CE on day one and have been loyal customers for the entire time the game has been live but did not play enough to get to level 50 on one char" is a complete lie. If you don't have a level 50 for whatever reason and you started playing on day 1, you made your choice. Just as BW made their choice by giving those that did, the free month. Maybe you didn't like the wording they used and I can understand just that.

Im a gamer but I have a life. I have a beautiful 2 year old daughter I go see everyday after I get out of work. Im also in a relationship and I live with my grandfather taking care of him.

That said. I have 2 level 50's a level 40 and 3 level 20 toons and I only play 2 hours a day at most. Am I grateful because they gave players who hit 50 a free month of subscription. Yes. Would I be mad if they gave all the players regardless of having a level 50 toon a free month? No. Why would I? And to be honest, if you don't plan on playing at least 3-5 hours a week on an MMO, why play one at all? All MMO's require time and some dedication. If you think I'm mistaken, I'm sorry for you but it's the truth and you are better off playing a game like Diablo or Guildwars that dont require as much time and dedication and may fit your playing time. Just saying.

You say "to single one group out based NOT on amount of money paid or support to the company but instead to base it on play style is not a good business decision" What kind of playstyle are your referring to that 4 months down the road you don't have a 50 yet?  Assuming we are still talking about people who bought the game on day 1. Are you telling me that you like to play ALTs to  X level , then stop and level another toon to X level, rinse and repeat? You don't want to reach endgame on any toon on an MMO? Really? And complain because some kind of reward was giving to people who has? Or are you one of the many that stopped playing for X amount of time, then came back and now wish you had stayed and had a 50 so you could get a free month and most likely leave again after that? Either way, its your choosing of playstyle that you don't have a 50 yet and you shouldn't feel its unfair.

As it's your first post I thought you were trolling first. But as you wrote it thoroughly, that's not the case. So it is really a sad post :o) Once again, you could have 100 level 49 alts and involve in lots of mmo activities (not giving xp) and still not be level 50. ONCE AGAIN as it has been said 100000000 times in these forums levelling and top level isn't a priority for a good chunk of people. MMO's should be about choice as they are the largest and most complex video games of all genres. It has nothing to do with dedication or time spent in the game. The OP could be hundred times more dedicated with this game and have spent hundred times more than any unique level 50. How the f*ck is that hard to understand? And why shouldn't he be entitled to a reward as any level 50?

By the way, enjoy your support of such catastrophic decision to split their already dwindling community. Such nonsense is killing your game; when you are left with F2P, a meager fanboi playerbase, rare updates (because of lacking funds) and an obvious failure, you'll see how well they managed their game and how cool you were to support their way of thinking and this kind of decisions. But you'll be elsewhere in another mmo already, at top level, seeing that as a new goal achieved, frowning about any players enjoying their game instead of rushing and sitting at top level like you *sigh*

  Talonsin

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OP  4/13/12 1:22:11 PM#151

People say we had a choice and we chose NOT to get to level 50 and get a reward.  in order to make a choice, you have to know the consequences.  A person who never smoked, ate right and exercised but still got cancer did not MAKE A CHOICE to get cancer.  This whole argument that not leveling to 50 somehow earned us the right to be second class customers is ridiculous. 

I urge you to post on any forums you are involved with and email any publications you have contact information for about how you feel about this situation and the way Bioware has treated its PAYING customers. 

  FrodoFragins

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4/13/12 1:27:41 PM#152

It's perfectly fair and you should let them know that you'll look for a game that values you more.

 

I hit level 50 fairly early and had a second char pretty close.  I'll probably take them up on their 7 day offer to level alts, but there's no way they'll get a sub out of me until they add cross server FP finders.

  User Deleted
4/13/12 1:28:32 PM#153
Originally posted by HeavyTraffic

It seems odd that EA is punishing the only playstyle that will give this game any legs at all.  They've even encouraged people to roll alts and put in the legacy system to further push you toward making alts.

 

I understand why they did it, 50's are simply leaving the game when the hit level cap so 30 days free doesn't really cost EA anything since a lot of those people would have quit, but it is sort of demeaning to the people who played as they were told to play.

 

"As a thanks for being one of our most valued players, every active account with a Level 50... "

 

Just a bit of tweaking of this statement and they wouldn't have caused such a stir.  Maybe substituting 'determined' for 'valued'.

 

Anyway, I get 7 free days!  Woot.

 

I'm going to go roll a new toon on the FATMAN server.

 

  Not today you aren't :D!

 

  But hey - we got a free day out of it!

  AZHokie54

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4/13/12 1:30:28 PM#154

Doesn't matter to me.

I wouldn't play that horribly boring game if it were F2P.

 

  Paragus1

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4/13/12 1:34:20 PM#155

I'll just leave this here, sums up my thoughts on this...

http://www.mmorpg.com/blogs/Paragus1/042012/22926_Rant-SWTOR-free-month-for-50s

  Robsolf

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4/13/12 1:51:27 PM#156
Originally posted by GoldenArrow

There's a really simple answer to this.

The players who have a level 50 toon have been suffering from the lack of content.

The players who have 2 wives and 12 kids have not yet suffered from the lack of content.

 

This 30 day sub is a reward for being loyal and sticking to the game even though it CLEARLY lacked the content of being a worthy MMORPG. I haven't been pleased with BW on this game but this certainly was a good call. I'll have my cake and eat it aswell.

This, OP.

They built a pretty solid experience from 1-49, but 50 is a brick wall, and their data mining probably reflects that when they look at who is quitting, and who isn't.

So they're offering a big and expensive concession to the 50's that stuck around.

I feel for ya that you may have chosen to play in a way that left you without a level 50 character.  But just keep in mind, rewarding some, and punishing others are two entirely different things.

  Skuz

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4/13/12 1:59:35 PM#157

While I can totally see where the OP is coming from I think that the biggest thing BioWare si trying to do here is open the door to the 50's that have already stopped playing, to say hey come check out 1.2 & see what we have done.

Wile the 50's still playing benefit & the players who don't have a 50 do not I think it was not intended as a reward so much as it was intended as a lure to those that have left.

If you left before reaching 50 then there's no reason to expect you want to see the addition level 50 content or legacy system, so that's why I think this was aimed at level 50's because them leaving, usually citing boredom & lack of content is the target audience of "people we have a chance of interesting with the content in 1.2"

If there was a future patch that addresses a lot of the concerns of the players that left pre-50, well then you might see an offer aimed at them.

  pifias

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4/13/12 2:01:50 PM#158

My question is. Would you have tried to level a toon to level 50 if BW would have announced a month earlier that all accounts with at least one level 50 toon would get a free month? We could prob agree that it wouldn't have matter because you play several different games unlike many of us, play once every week, roleplay and take your time.

I agree you are no less of a valued costumer than me just because I stick to one game and level my toons to endgame. Almost all MMOs I have played reward their players in some way or another. I know for a fact you could level a toon to 50 in SWTOR in a week and he/she is not more of a valued costumer than I am who played since day 1. I guess it would of been more adecuate to choose words like "veteran" and give the veteran reward of a free month, but then some other guy would have posted something about it.

But back to my question. Would you have leveled your toon to 50 with prior notice?

Best regards.

  Kyleran

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4/13/12 2:06:06 PM#159
Originally posted by pifias

My question is. Would you have tried to level a toon to level 50 if BW would have announced a month earlier that all accounts with at least one level 50 toon would get a free month? We could prob agree that it wouldn't have matter because you play several different games unlike many of us, play once every week, roleplay and take your time.

I agree you are no less of a valued costumer than me just because I stick to one game and level my toons to endgame. Almost all MMOs I have played reward their players in some way or another. I know for a fact you could level a toon to 50 in SWTOR in a week and he/she is not more of a valued costumer than I am who played since day 1. I guess it would of been more adecuate to choose words like "veteran" and give the veteran reward of a free month, but then some other guy would have posted something about it.

But back to my question. Would you have leveled your toon to 50 with prior notice?

Best regards.

Absolutely, I have a level 47 Commando which I left off of playing about 3 weeks ago to reroll another character (now level 20) on the Empire side.

Had I known about this I would have made sure to get my first character to 50, there just wasn't any huge hurry to do so because of the known end game flaws at 50.

 

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  zimmy910

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4/13/12 2:06:13 PM#160

Regardless of whether it's fair or not, I've never heard of an MMO that gives away a free month to max level people / characters. Very odd descision. Is this so they can count them as subscribers whether they wanted to prolong their sub or not ?

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