Originally posted by StoneRoses

"WHAT ABOUT ME?"

Originally posted by headphones

Originally posted by Tardcore

Originally posted by headphones

Originally posted by colddog04

Originally posted by headphones

Originally posted by colddog04

Originally posted by zymurgeist

Originally posted by colddog04

Bioware acts so wierd. I've never heard of something like this before.

 Really? Winback promotions are as common as dirt. I have companies calling me every week. I wish they would stop. If they wanted me for a customer they wouldn't have treated me like shit to begin with. Not that Bioware has ever been unreasonable, cable/ sattelite companies sure are.

Of course winback promotions are common. Giving one portion a free month while the rest get nothing is not common. I have never seen it done in this way. And it was an awful way to handle things. If you have, can you please tell me about it?

my phone company recently offered 10 buck discounts to its blackberry customers. mind you, i had to switch a plan.

to be honest, it was well deserved. they already gouge us enough.

they didn't offer anyone else 10 bucks off.

i think their reasoning would have been "you don't have a blackberry." in the same reasoning ea would say "you don't have a level 50."

besides, given the reality of the game's tenuous position, a free month isn't exactly a gold nugget.

It's not the same if you are switching your plan and they are giving you $10 to do that. Not even close. 

 

And really, we're talking about MMORPG players and Biowares ability to manage reputation. They have shown again and again how terrible they have been at it. I don't think of myself as a SWTOR hater or anything, but they just keep doing these really wierd things that could have been handled a lot better.

 

Removing Ilum (This was a huge promised feature that they were going to work on and then one day they jsut scrapped it)

Not adding Ranked PvP in 1.2 and then commenting how they are now hoping to get it in before 1.3

Giving only level 50s a free month (instead of basing it on actual commitment to the game)

 

I'm sure the peoeple that have been playing since release could list a few more, but they are not very good at managing expectations and they don't follow through with a lot of important things.

sigh.

you guys should put your brains together. you might actually manage to make one full-thinking mind.

the point is, ea/bw made an OFFER you can have a free month IF you stay. i got an extra 10 bucks IF i stayed. not much difference, pal.

if you can't see their problems with ilum etc are due to the mechanics of their engine and it's no doubt not as easy as you'd like it to be, then really...

giving the 50s a free month was giving a bunch of bored customers incentive to stay one more month so they'll see if 1.2 can keep them loyal. as i said, it's the 50s who were leaving in droves.

anyone playing since release should be 50. hell, i was close enough and i started ages after release. and i played it SLOW and logged in only once or twice a week and endured enough downtime to have made my own game.

i really think some of you poor lost lambs need to pull your heads out and if you love this game as much as you think you do, appreciate they're trying to fix it for you. i mean, show a little gratitude for that.

No they aren't. They are doing it to keep from losing their shirts. Please stop with the bombastic horse shit.

that's not quite an adequate usage of "bombastic" but still, it's nice to see someone trying to extend their vocabulary and i'm all for that.

of COURSE they're trying not to lose their shirts.

here's another word to look up while you're looking up "bombastic"; business.

 

I think it is you who does not understand the meaning of the word. By belittling the customers who are upset with a broken product, and then further upset by what seems to be an arbitrary and unfair recompense for said broken product, and trying to paint them as the villain of the piece for being a bunch of ungrateful spoiled serfs for not appreciating all the hard work this poor beleaguered company is doing for them, just out of the kindness of their heart, all while speaking down to them in the manner you would use to a trying child, is pure bombast.

Originally posted by Tardcore

Originally posted by headphones

Originally posted by Tardcore

Originally posted by headphones

sigh.

you guys should put your brains together. you might actually manage to make one full-thinking mind.

the point is, ea/bw made an OFFER you can have a free month IF you stay. i got an extra 10 bucks IF i stayed. not much difference, pal.

if you can't see their problems with ilum etc are due to the mechanics of their engine and it's no doubt not as easy as you'd like it to be, then really...

giving the 50s a free month was giving a bunch of bored customers incentive to stay one more month so they'll see if 1.2 can keep them loyal. as i said, it's the 50s who were leaving in droves.

anyone playing since release should be 50. hell, i was close enough and i started ages after release. and i played it SLOW and logged in only once or twice a week and endured enough downtime to have made my own game.

i really think some of you poor lost lambs need to pull your heads out and if you love this game as much as you think you do, appreciate they're trying to fix it for you. i mean, show a little gratitude for that.

No they aren't. They are doing it to keep from losing their shirts. Please stop with the bombastic horse shit.

that's not quite an adequate usage of "bombastic" but still, it's nice to see someone trying to extend their vocabulary and i'm all for that.

of COURSE they're trying not to lose their shirts.

here's another word to look up while you're looking up "bombastic"; business.

 

I think it is you who does not understand the meaning of the word. By belittling the customers who are upset with a broken product, and then further upset by what seems to be an arbitray and unfair recompsense for said broken product, and trying to paint them as the villian of the peice for being a bunch of ungrateful spoiled serfs for not appreciating all the hard work this poor beleaguered company is doing for them, just out of the kindness of their heart, all while speaking down to them in the manner you would use to a trying child, is pure bombast.

*slow clap*

That was a tasty sentence.

I personally don't care about this promotion, but I do have to scratch my head at the rapid apologists here who think that people who haven't hit 50 are somehow less worthy customers.

I started playing this game a day before the "official" release and I don't have a level 50 character yet. I have two that are in the 40s, one that is in the high 20s and two that are in the teens. I watch every cutscene and do every quest available. I experiment with different armour and crafting professions. I also have a real job that doesn't allow me to sit around the house all day long and play games. I have been a staunch supporter of this game for two years.

So in closing, you people are no more important as a customer than me. Have a nice day.

Originally posted by ktanner3

I personally don't care about this promotion, but I do have to scratch my head at the rapid apologists here who think that people who haven't hit 50 are somehow less worthy customers.

It's simple. They got theirs and they couldn't care less about anyone else. In fact, they'd rather they just shut the hell up about it.

Welcome to the toxic MMO community lol.

Originally posted by StoneRoses

Originally posted by Tardcore

Originally posted by StoneRoses

Originally posted by Tardcore

Originally posted by StoneRoses

Originally posted by colddog04

Originally posted by Drakxii

Originally posted by colddog04

Originally posted by zymurgeist

Originally posted by colddog04

Bioware acts so wierd. I've never heard of something like this before.

 Really? Winback promotions are as common as dirt. I have companies calling me every week. I wish they would stop. If they wanted me for a customer they wouldn't have treated me like shit to begin with. Not that Bioware has ever been unreasonable, cable/ sattelite companies sure are.

Of course winback promotions are common. Giving one portion a free month while the rest get nothing is not common. I have never seen it done in this way. And it was an awful way to handle things. If you have, can you please tell me about it?

There is nothing really wrong with give one porition a free month but you just should give it who have been with you the longest or since the being not those that rushed to the end.   What bioware is doing would be like if a resturant gave anyone with a ballcap on a discount instead of the customers with a loyalty card a discount. 

I agree. If they were going to do it at all, it should have been those that were paying since release. That is a loyalty bonus that makes sense. 

 

When I first read the incentive lvl 50 players were getting my first thought was, adding more fuel to the fire, more bitching and whinning.

 

I simply don't care, I have been slowly leveling 3 classes since release not one of my characters are at 50 yet.

 

I find it funny so many of you feel left out and feel so privileged. I'm pretty sure if you guys go to SWTOR forum complain enough about it that they may have a change of heart. This really shows where all the tears come from.

 

"WHAT ABOUT ME?"

Says the guy who only comes here to insult and repudiate posters who do not share his own glowing opinion of the game. Pots and kettles mate?

Thx for the old reference old timer!

Thanks for the expected puerile response.

Lovely you and I have pet names now!

LOL. Sounds like the tag line to a bad 1970s American TV show.

"Purile and Old Timer! They're cops!"

Originally posted by Tardcore

Originally posted by headphones

Originally posted by Tardcore

Originally posted by headphones

Originally posted by colddog04

Originally posted by headphones

Originally posted by colddog04

Originally posted by zymurgeist

Originally posted by colddog04

Bioware acts so wierd. I've never heard of something like this before.

 Really? Winback promotions are as common as dirt. I have companies calling me every week. I wish they would stop. If they wanted me for a customer they wouldn't have treated me like shit to begin with. Not that Bioware has ever been unreasonable, cable/ sattelite companies sure are.

Of course winback promotions are common. Giving one portion a free month while the rest get nothing is not common. I have never seen it done in this way. And it was an awful way to handle things. If you have, can you please tell me about it?

my phone company recently offered 10 buck discounts to its blackberry customers. mind you, i had to switch a plan.

to be honest, it was well deserved. they already gouge us enough.

they didn't offer anyone else 10 bucks off.

i think their reasoning would have been "you don't have a blackberry." in the same reasoning ea would say "you don't have a level 50."

besides, given the reality of the game's tenuous position, a free month isn't exactly a gold nugget.

It's not the same if you are switching your plan and they are giving you $10 to do that. Not even close. 

 

And really, we're talking about MMORPG players and Biowares ability to manage reputation. They have shown again and again how terrible they have been at it. I don't think of myself as a SWTOR hater or anything, but they just keep doing these really wierd things that could have been handled a lot better.

 

Removing Ilum (This was a huge promised feature that they were going to work on and then one day they jsut scrapped it)

Not adding Ranked PvP in 1.2 and then commenting how they are now hoping to get it in before 1.3

Giving only level 50s a free month (instead of basing it on actual commitment to the game)

 

I'm sure the peoeple that have been playing since release could list a few more, but they are not very good at managing expectations and they don't follow through with a lot of important things.

sigh.

you guys should put your brains together. you might actually manage to make one full-thinking mind.

the point is, ea/bw made an OFFER you can have a free month IF you stay. i got an extra 10 bucks IF i stayed. not much difference, pal.

if you can't see their problems with ilum etc are due to the mechanics of their engine and it's no doubt not as easy as you'd like it to be, then really...

giving the 50s a free month was giving a bunch of bored customers incentive to stay one more month so they'll see if 1.2 can keep them loyal. as i said, it's the 50s who were leaving in droves.

anyone playing since release should be 50. hell, i was close enough and i started ages after release. and i played it SLOW and logged in only once or twice a week and endured enough downtime to have made my own game.

i really think some of you poor lost lambs need to pull your heads out and if you love this game as much as you think you do, appreciate they're trying to fix it for you. i mean, show a little gratitude for that.

No they aren't. They are doing it to keep from losing their shirts. Please stop with the bombastic horse shit.

that's not quite an adequate usage of "bombastic" but still, it's nice to see someone trying to extend their vocabulary and i'm all for that.

of COURSE they're trying not to lose their shirts.

here's another word to look up while you're looking up "bombastic"; business.

 

I think it is you who does not understand the meaning of the word. By belittling the customers who are upset with a broken product, and then further upset by what seems to be an arbitrary and unfair recompense for said broken product, and trying to paint them as the villain of the piece for being a bunch of ungrateful spoiled serfs for not appreciating all the hard work this poor beleaguered company is doing for them, just out of the kindness of their heart, all while speaking down to them in the manner you would use to a trying child, is pure bombast.

nice work.

now climb back to the top of the thread and read from the top. when you find the bit where i'm belittling customers for a broken product, get back to me. be sure to read the bits about me calling swtor a game held together by gaffa tape. find also the bit where i call them a "beleaguered" company. mind you also read the bits in which i tell you what they're doing is called "business" (remember, that's the word i told you to look up along with bombastic?).

now, it's nice you managed to find a dictionary meaning for bombastic and work it into a sentence. but perhaps when you apply a new word, you take into consideration what came before, rather than try to mould the situation around a dictionary meaning.

when you manage to do this, i will stop talking down to you as a cute kid who's just found a thesaurus.

now, here. have a biscuit.

Originally posted by Tardcore

*snip*

 

I think it is you who does not understand the meaning of the word. By belittling the customers who are upset with a broken product, and then further upset by what seems to be an arbitrary and unfair recompense for said broken product, and trying to paint them as the villain of the piece for being a bunch of ungrateful spoiled serfs for not appreciating all the hard work this poor beleaguered company is doing for them, just out of the kindness of their heart, all while speaking down to them in the manner you would use to a trying child, is pure bombast.

You just wrote a short summation of all my toughts about SWTOR and €A/Bioware.

that's a good post. :D

Originally posted by headphones

that's not quite an adequate usage of "bombastic" but still, it's nice to see someone trying to extend their vocabulary and i'm all for that.

of COURSE they're trying not to lose their shirts.

here's another word to look up while you're looking up "bombastic"; business.

 

Lets look up "NGE".  I think you will find that chasing a hypothetical group of subbers versus caring for your current subbers is bad for...  what was that word you used???  Oh yeah "business".  If someone was unhappy with the game at level 50 and was looking to quit soon, the free 30 days just gave them free time to do all the content in 1.2 and then leave.  Strangely, that sounds bad for "business".  Am I using that word correctly?  Maybe I have yet to grasp the meaning of that word.  I guess me and my mates can discuss it some evening now that we all cancelled our ToR subscriptions.

Originally posted by ksan24

Worst post I have ever read.  OP hs no game or business skills.  Bottom line, you had nothing taken away from you.  Should you get BM gear since you started at launch?  My little brother who is 12 read this and laughed.  There is not enough time to even explain all the things wrong with your line of thought and comparisons.  

Dropping your sub means nothing to them because obviosly for you not to have hit 50 on 1 character by now, you are not the audience they care about or are even looking for.  The entire idea of MMOs is the more time you put in the more and better gear/rewards you get.  This is the very foundation of why people play.  

Nowhere in your rambling remarks did you say anything that resembled an intelligent statement.  Everyone who has read it is now dumber for doing so.  I award you no points, and may god have mercy on your soul.

Originally posted by Tardcore

Originally posted by StoneRoses

Originally posted by Tardcore

Originally posted by StoneRoses

Originally posted by Tardcore

Originally posted by StoneRoses

Originally posted by colddog04

Originally posted by Drakxii

Originally posted by colddog04

Originally posted by zymurgeist

Originally posted by colddog04

Bioware acts so wierd. I've never heard of something like this before.

 Really? Winback promotions are as common as dirt. I have companies calling me every week. I wish they would stop. If they wanted me for a customer they wouldn't have treated me like shit to begin with. Not that Bioware has ever been unreasonable, cable/ sattelite companies sure are.

Of course winback promotions are common. Giving one portion a free month while the rest get nothing is not common. I have never seen it done in this way. And it was an awful way to handle things. If you have, can you please tell me about it?

There is nothing really wrong with give one porition a free month but you just should give it who have been with you the longest or since the being not those that rushed to the end.   What bioware is doing would be like if a resturant gave anyone with a ballcap on a discount instead of the customers with a loyalty card a discount. 

I agree. If they were going to do it at all, it should have been those that were paying since release. That is a loyalty bonus that makes sense. 

 

When I first read the incentive lvl 50 players were getting my first thought was, adding more fuel to the fire, more bitching and whinning.

 

I simply don't care, I have been slowly leveling 3 classes since release not one of my characters are at 50 yet.

 

I find it funny so many of you feel left out and feel so privileged. I'm pretty sure if you guys go to SWTOR forum complain enough about it that they may have a change of heart. This really shows where all the tears come from.

 

"WHAT ABOUT ME?"

Says the guy who only comes here to insult and repudiate posters who do not share his own glowing opinion of the game. Pots and kettles mate?

Thx for the old reference old timer!

Thanks for the expected puerile response.

Lovely you and I have pet names now!

LOL. Sounds like the tag line to a bad 1970s American TV show.

"Purile and Old Timer! They're cops!"

I got dibs on the Mexican mustache!

Originally posted by headphones

Originally posted by Tardcore

Originally posted by headphones

Originally posted by Tardcore

Originally posted by headphones

Originally posted by colddog04

Originally posted by headphones

Originally posted by colddog04

Originally posted by zymurgeist

Originally posted by colddog04

Bioware acts so wierd. I've never heard of something like this before.

 Really? Winback promotions are as common as dirt. I have companies calling me every week. I wish they would stop. If they wanted me for a customer they wouldn't have treated me like shit to begin with. Not that Bioware has ever been unreasonable, cable/ sattelite companies sure are.

Of course winback promotions are common. Giving one portion a free month while the rest get nothing is not common. I have never seen it done in this way. And it was an awful way to handle things. If you have, can you please tell me about it?

my phone company recently offered 10 buck discounts to its blackberry customers. mind you, i had to switch a plan.

to be honest, it was well deserved. they already gouge us enough.

they didn't offer anyone else 10 bucks off.

i think their reasoning would have been "you don't have a blackberry." in the same reasoning ea would say "you don't have a level 50."

besides, given the reality of the game's tenuous position, a free month isn't exactly a gold nugget.

It's not the same if you are switching your plan and they are giving you $10 to do that. Not even close. 

 

And really, we're talking about MMORPG players and Biowares ability to manage reputation. They have shown again and again how terrible they have been at it. I don't think of myself as a SWTOR hater or anything, but they just keep doing these really wierd things that could have been handled a lot better.

 

Removing Ilum (This was a huge promised feature that they were going to work on and then one day they jsut scrapped it)

Not adding Ranked PvP in 1.2 and then commenting how they are now hoping to get it in before 1.3

Giving only level 50s a free month (instead of basing it on actual commitment to the game)

 

I'm sure the peoeple that have been playing since release could list a few more, but they are not very good at managing expectations and they don't follow through with a lot of important things.

sigh.

you guys should put your brains together. you might actually manage to make one full-thinking mind.

the point is, ea/bw made an OFFER you can have a free month IF you stay. i got an extra 10 bucks IF i stayed. not much difference, pal.

if you can't see their problems with ilum etc are due to the mechanics of their engine and it's no doubt not as easy as you'd like it to be, then really...

giving the 50s a free month was giving a bunch of bored customers incentive to stay one more month so they'll see if 1.2 can keep them loyal. as i said, it's the 50s who were leaving in droves.

anyone playing since release should be 50. hell, i was close enough and i started ages after release. and i played it SLOW and logged in only once or twice a week and endured enough downtime to have made my own game.

i really think some of you poor lost lambs need to pull your heads out and if you love this game as much as you think you do, appreciate they're trying to fix it for you. i mean, show a little gratitude for that.

No they aren't. They are doing it to keep from losing their shirts. Please stop with the bombastic horse shit.

that's not quite an adequate usage of "bombastic" but still, it's nice to see someone trying to extend their vocabulary and i'm all for that.

of COURSE they're trying not to lose their shirts.

here's another word to look up while you're looking up "bombastic"; business.

 

I think it is you who does not understand the meaning of the word. By belittling the customers who are upset with a broken product, and then further upset by what seems to be an arbitrary and unfair recompense for said broken product, and trying to paint them as the villain of the piece for being a bunch of ungrateful spoiled serfs for not appreciating all the hard work this poor beleaguered company is doing for them, just out of the kindness of their heart, all while speaking down to them in the manner you would use to a trying child, is pure bombast.

nice work.

now climb back to the top of the thread and read from the top. when you find the bit where i'm belittling customers for a broken product, get back to me. be sure to read the bits about me calling swtor a game held together by gaffa tape. find also the bit where i call them a "beleaguered" company. mind you also read the bits in which i tell you what they're doing is called "business" (remember, that's the word i told you to look up along with bombastic?).

now, it's nice you managed to find a dictionary meaning for bombastic and work it into a sentence. but perhaps when you apply a new word, you take into consideration what came before, rather than try to mould the situation around a dictionary meaning.

when you manage to do this, i will stop talking down to you as a cute kid who's just found a thesaurus.

now, here. have a biscuit.

Again, by your own numerous and juvenile responses you show you really don't have a logical argument. Please stop wasting everyones time. And welcome to ignore.

Originally posted by StoneRoses

Originally posted by Tardcore

Originally posted by StoneRoses

Originally posted by Tardcore

Originally posted by StoneRoses

Originally posted by Tardcore

Originally posted by StoneRoses

Originally posted by colddog04

Originally posted by Drakxii

Originally posted by colddog04

Originally posted by zymurgeist

Originally posted by colddog04

Bioware acts so wierd. I've never heard of something like this before.

 Really? Winback promotions are as common as dirt. I have companies calling me every week. I wish they would stop. If they wanted me for a customer they wouldn't have treated me like shit to begin with. Not that Bioware has ever been unreasonable, cable/ sattelite companies sure are.

Of course winback promotions are common. Giving one portion a free month while the rest get nothing is not common. I have never seen it done in this way. And it was an awful way to handle things. If you have, can you please tell me about it?

There is nothing really wrong with give one porition a free month but you just should give it who have been with you the longest or since the being not those that rushed to the end.   What bioware is doing would be like if a resturant gave anyone with a ballcap on a discount instead of the customers with a loyalty card a discount. 

I agree. If they were going to do it at all, it should have been those that were paying since release. That is a loyalty bonus that makes sense. 

 

When I first read the incentive lvl 50 players were getting my first thought was, adding more fuel to the fire, more bitching and whinning.

 

I simply don't care, I have been slowly leveling 3 classes since release not one of my characters are at 50 yet.

 

I find it funny so many of you feel left out and feel so privileged. I'm pretty sure if you guys go to SWTOR forum complain enough about it that they may have a change of heart. This really shows where all the tears come from.

 

"WHAT ABOUT ME?"

Says the guy who only comes here to insult and repudiate posters who do not share his own glowing opinion of the game. Pots and kettles mate?

Thx for the old reference old timer!

Thanks for the expected puerile response.

Lovely you and I have pet names now!

LOL. Sounds like the tag line to a bad 1970s American TV show.

"Purile and Old Timer! They're cops!"

I got dibs on the Mexican mustache!

DAMN IT!!!

Anything they can do to show that people are still playing on those quarterly reports eh? I hope that they get in trouble for defrauding their investors over all this.

Originally posted by Tardcore

Originally posted by StoneRoses

Originally posted by Tardcore

BLah blah etc

Says the guy who only comes here to insult and repudiate posters who do not share his own glowing opinion of the game. Pots and kettles mate?

Thx for the old reference old timer!

Thanks for the expected puerile response.

Lovely you and I have pet names now!

LOL. Sounds like the tag line to a bad 1970s American TV show.

"Purile and Old Timer! They're cops!"

I got dibs on the Mexican mustache!

DAMN IT!!!

What about the players who don't have a lvl 50, enjoy the game enough that they don't want to drop their sub, and is excited that bioware is doing premotionals to get players to return, after there has been an obvious sub loss?

Originally posted by ksan24

Worst post I have ever read.  OP hs no game or business skills.  Bottom line, you had nothing taken away from you.  Should you get BM gear since you started at launch?  My little brother who is 12 read this and laughed.  There is not enough time to even explain all the things wrong with your line of thought and comparisons.  

Dropping your sub means nothing to them because obviosly for you not to have hit 50 on 1 character by now, you are not the audience they care about or are even looking for.  The entire idea of MMOs is the more time you put in the more and better gear/rewards you get.  This is the very foundation of why people play.  

Nowhere in your rambling remarks did you say anything that resembled an intelligent statement.  Everyone who has read it is now dumber for doing so.  I award you no points, and may god have mercy on your soul.

I must be doing it ALL wrong then all those years since UO i guess.......i used to play for FUN, i loved getting more gear too, true enough but its all about the fun for me.........since i didnt "work" hatd enough to get at least ONE char to 50 (but 5 to 40+) i am not worth their game???? hmmm maybe that's why i canceled my sub then.......if i am not a worthy customer then they aint even worth my 15 bucks i guess :p

you l33t gamers make me lolz

Originally posted by ksan24

Dropping your sub means nothing to them because obviosly for you not to have hit 50 on 1 character by now, you are not the audience they care about or are even looking for.  Nowhere in your rambling remarks did you say anything that resembled an intelligent statement.  Everyone who has read it is now dumber for doing so.  I award you no points, and may god have mercy on your soul.

Thanks for your insightful and intelligent post.  I appreciate you clearing things up for me and explaining that Bioware does not care about me even though I paid as much or more to them than others who may have leveled a char to 50.  It makes perfect business sense to me now.  I am so happy you took the time to post.  Thank you. 

Originally posted by Zekiah

Originally posted by ktanner3

I personally don't care about this promotion, but I do have to scratch my head at the rapid apologists here who think that people who haven't hit 50 are somehow less worthy customers.

It's simple. They got theirs and they couldn't care less about anyone else. In fact, they'd rather they just shut the hell up about it.

Welcome to the toxic MMO community lol.

Theres a good discussion about this going on at the oficial boards. The majority of the posters there who have 50s are sympathetic to this. There are a LOT of people who have been subbed since december and  don't have a 50 yet.