Originally posted by AvsRock21

'Lack of theme'?? Are you kidding?  AA is one of the first mmorpgs to have a realistic theme, and do it well.  Finally a game isn't going to follow a cartoon, anime, or fantasy theme!!  AA looks beautiful, and a large part of that is because of how realistic it looks.  It looks medieval and that's it!  Why can't more mmos do this.  I cannot wait to build a ship and start sailing in this game.

Originally posted by skydiver12

Theme:
Archeage does not want to be a true Western medieval / or Chinese Wuxia game. Korean like Sunglasses on their avatars, so expect Sunglasses. Korean like underage looking woman, expect to have them. 

I really find it amazing that so many westerners (particularly Americans) find any adult woman who's not a D-cup "underage looking". As if breast size is the only physical indication of femenine maturity.

I blame Baywatch.

Let's put it this way:

Do you like underwater exploration?

If yes, you have to implement the diving helmet.

Do you like farming?

If yes, you have to implement the tractor.

Do you like sieges?

If yes, you have to implement siege weapons.

The list goes on and on, I don't care one bit about if it fits with the game background timeline, it's a fantasy game anyhow.

Originally posted by FrostWyrm

Originally posted by skydiver12

Theme:
Archeage does not want to be a true Western medieval / or Chinese Wuxia game. Korean like Sunglasses on their avatars, so expect Sunglasses. Korean like underage looking woman, expect to have them. 

I really find it amazing that so many westerners (particularly Americans) find any adult woman who's not a D-cup "underage looking".

I blame Baywatch.

I was going to make a remark about this but... I think instead I will just ignore it and move on. Don't worry I will not judge your race, religion, nationality, etc.  based on a post derived from one persons stupidity. 

Originally posted by Heraclius

Let's put it this way:

Do you like underwater exploration?

If yes, you have to implement the diving helmet.

Do you like farming?

If yes, you have to implement the tractor.

Do you like sieges?

If yes, you have to implement siege weapons.

 

The list goes on and on, I don't care one bit about if it fits with the game background timeline, it's a fantasy game anyhow.

People farmed long before the invention of the tractor. Thats what hoes were for...dont laugh!

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Originally posted by RefMinor
And yet he has gone on record to state Archeage has been created with the western market in mind.

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True, he said it here:
http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/572/feature/5367
MMORPG.COM: How do you think the game will translate to Western audiences?

Jake song: We started developing ArcheAge considering global service in the first place. We want to let the players feel the true beauty MMORPG by forming a society like real life by networking with other players. The motto of ArcheAge is 'A world made of your own free will'. I think such facts of ArcheAge are what Western game players would also want and enjoy.

http://archeage-online.com/post/1718109268

"Is localization mostly an issue of translating the text and UI, or will actual game mechanics change as well?"

Jake Song: ArcheAge is still under development, and the publisher for the Western market is not decided for now, so maybe it is a bit early to answer the question. But I do understand the importance of localization. We have to figure out data such as each country’s features, its IT environment and so on, as well as find out the best way to service ArcheAge.

But above all that, we should finish development and find a publisher who will partner with us to introduce [and distribute] ArcheAge to Western players.

For my reading comprehension and understanding ever since they started recruiting openly since 2010: He never talks about game mechanics. What i initially wrote is not contradicting anything. When asking about "Western" he means translations and publishing and not creating or altering core mechanics like FFA PVP SYSTEMS. XLGAMES Finishes the game for KOREANS and wants to publish it in EU and NA.

He may as well just meant they got multiple checkboxes for dialoges to flag for languages right now, even though they just use the korean ones. "In Mind for the Western market"

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Originally posted by GrayGhost79

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Originally posted by FrostWyrm

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Originally posted by skydiver12


Theme:
Archeage does not want to be a true Western medieval / or Chinese Wuxia game. Korean like Sunglasses on their avatars, so expect Sunglasses. Korean like underage looking woman, expect to have them. 

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I really find it amazing that so many westerners (particularly Americans) find any adult woman who's not a D-cup "underage looking".
I blame Baywatch.

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I was going to make a remark about this but... I think instead I will just ignore it and move on. Don't worry I will not judge your race, religion, nationality, etc.  based on a post derived from one persons stupidity. 

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 Because you are the stupid one with the other guy?, And a sexist on top. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puberty#Differences_between_male_and_female_puberty

There is more than Boobs which define a Woman. Be it small or big boob size.  You may try to spin it, but  i stand to it, if you want you can have an underage looking Female in Archeage as well as an elderly but not old Woman, mature would be the spot - no matter the cup size.

Originally posted by skydiver12

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Originally posted by RefMinor
And yet he has gone on record to state Archeage has been created with the western market in mind.

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True, he said it here:
http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/572/feature/5367
MMORPG.COM: How do you think the game will translate to Western audiences?

Jake song: We started developing ArcheAge considering global service in the first place. We want to let the players feel the true beauty MMORPG by forming a society like real life by networking with other players. The motto of ArcheAge is 'A world made of your own free will'. I think such facts of ArcheAge are what Western game players would also want and enjoy.

http://archeage-online.com/post/1718109268

"Is localization mostly an issue of translating the text and UI, or will actual game mechanics change as well?"

Jake Song: ArcheAge is still under development, and the publisher for the Western market is not decided for now, so maybe it is a bit early to answer the question. But I do understand the importance of localization. We have to figure out data such as each country’s features, its IT environment and so on, as well as find out the best way to service ArcheAge.

But above all that, we should finish development and find a publisher who will partner with us to introduce [and distribute] ArcheAge to Western players.

For my reading comprehension and understanding ever since they started recruiting openly since 2010: He never talks about game mechanics. What i initially wrote is not contradicting anything. When asking about "Western" he means translations and publishing and not creating or altering core mechanics like FFA PVP SYSTEMS. XLGAMES Finishes the game for KOREANS and wants to publish it in EU and NA.

He may as well just meant they got multiple checkboxes for dialoges to flag for languages right now, even though they just use the korean ones. "In Mind for the Western market"

I may wasn't clear enough, but i wil ltry it again. 
When he talks about "Western in Mind" he does not reflect on core game mechanics if any at all. At worst he means the game client has no ridiculous dumb restriction which enforces you to run a korean MUI Windows package. (which ofcourse it does not have). Or does not require a Korean Language pack installed to run the Server.
There is always a communication issue with Korean Studios, as in general. For you westernization means, appealing core game mechanics, for him westerniazation means he can easely switch client languages.
 
But one thing is fixed. Game mechanics get created / implemented / removed due to Closed Beta Korean FEEDBACK. And as far as he said, after that they want to go out on the EU /NA market asap.

(Sadly) he has not specifically so far said he wants to adjust core game mechanics for outside Korea.

(whew) hope i was more clear this time.
 

Originally posted by Heraclius

Let's put it this way:

Do you like underwater exploration?

If yes, you have to implement the diving helmet

False: Oblivion had underwater breathing without a dive helmet from the 1800's

Do you like farming?

If yes, you have to implement the tractor.

I farm in AoE2 without tractors, I farm in minecraft without tractors, I farm in real life without tractors...

Do you like sieges?

If yes, you have to implement siege weapons.

I agree.

 

The list goes on and on, I don't care one bit about if it fits with the game background timeline, it's a fantasy game anyhow.

And thats fine if you don't care how it fits it. I created the thread because I do care, and I wanted to see if anyone else cares. I like to play it game "worlds" not just follow some simple quest line. Hence the reason I don't play themeparks. 

Originally posted by FrostWyrm

Originally posted by skydiver12

Theme:
Archeage does not want to be a true Western medieval / or Chinese Wuxia game. Korean like Sunglasses on their avatars, so expect Sunglasses. Korean like underage looking woman, expect to have them. 

I really find it amazing that so many westerners (particularly Americans) find any adult woman who's not a D-cup "underage looking". As if breast size is the only physical indication of femenine maturity.

I blame Baywatch.

My wife is a "B" cup, and she is plenty woman. But I think your going to have a hard time defending asians on this one.

I mean, does she look like she is over 18?

Originally posted by Dewm

Originally posted by FrostWyrm

Originally posted by skydiver12

Theme:
Archeage does not want to be a true Western medieval / or Chinese Wuxia game. Korean like Sunglasses on their avatars, so expect Sunglasses. Korean like underage looking woman, expect to have them. 

I really find it amazing that so many westerners (particularly Americans) find any adult woman who's not a D-cup "underage looking". As if breast size is the only physical indication of femenine maturity.

I blame Baywatch.

 

My wife is a "B" cup, and she is plenty woman. But I think your going to have a hard time defending asians on this one.

 

I mean, does she look like she is over 18?

Have you guys ever thought that some of this could just be perception.

My girlfriend is of Chiense Ancestry and after our company christmas party people were "talking" about me and my really young girlfriend. They thought she was in her early 20's. She's 40.

part of this might also be related to their idea of "cute things" and really liking things to be cute. Just because we look at something like this and think Lacivious thougths doesn't mean they do.

Then again, the Japanese do that that tentacle thing so I don't know what's up with that.

Originally posted by RefMinor
I will be able to forgive a lot of the aesthetics and may even wear Bermudas and have a bucket for a hat if the damn game is good.

Hah. I can even believe it all if the game is good. It's like religion. Or movies. They don't have to be logical, they just have to be good. 

Originally posted by skydiver12

I may wasn't clear enough, but i wil ltry it again. 
When he talks about "Western in Mind" he does not reflect on core game mechanics if any at all. At worst he means the game client has no ridiculous dumb restriction which enforces you to run a korean MUI Windows package. (which ofcourse it does not have). Or does not require a Korean Language pack installed to run the Server.
There is always a communication issue with Korean Studios, as in general. For you westernization means, appealing core game mechanics, for him westerniazation means he can easely switch client languages.
 
But one thing is fixed. Game mechanics get created / implemented / removed due to Closed Beta Korean FEEDBACK. And as far as he said, after that they want to go out on the EU /NA market asap.

(Sadly) he has not specifically so far said he wants to adjust core game mechanics for outside Korea.

(whew) hope i was more clear this time.
 

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by skydiver12

I may wasn't clear enough, but i wil ltry it again. 
When he talks about "Western in Mind" he does not reflect on core game mechanics if any at all. At worst he means the game client has no ridiculous dumb restriction which enforces you to run a korean MUI Windows package. (which ofcourse it does not have). Or does not require a Korean Language pack installed to run the Server.
There is always a communication issue with Korean Studios, as in general. For you westernization means, appealing core game mechanics, for him westerniazation means he can easely switch client languages.
 
But one thing is fixed. Game mechanics get created / implemented / removed due to Closed Beta Korean FEEDBACK. And as far as he said, after that they want to go out on the EU /NA market asap.

(Sadly) he has not specifically so far said he wants to adjust core game mechanics for outside Korea.

(whew) hope i was more clear this time.
 

 

In your opinion, that is what he talks about, I do not believe it is so clear cut a statement. However we do agree that it will not be that westernised.

Good. Personally I hate westernization. I hate easternization too for that matter. Basically I hate when people try to change something from its original form (with the obvious exception of language as long as its not a song) to try and make it fit a new audience.

For example, taking an anime with nudity or "sexual themes", editing the crap out of it, and putting it on North American tv aimed at small kids.

Originally posted by FrostWyrm

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by skydiver12

I may wasn't clear enough, but i wil ltry it again. 
When he talks about "Western in Mind" he does not reflect on core game mechanics if any at all. At worst he means the game client has no ridiculous dumb restriction which enforces you to run a korean MUI Windows package. (which ofcourse it does not have). Or does not require a Korean Language pack installed to run the Server.
There is always a communication issue with Korean Studios, as in general. For you westernization means, appealing core game mechanics, for him westerniazation means he can easely switch client languages.
 
But one thing is fixed. Game mechanics get created / implemented / removed due to Closed Beta Korean FEEDBACK. And as far as he said, after that they want to go out on the EU /NA market asap.

(Sadly) he has not specifically so far said he wants to adjust core game mechanics for outside Korea.

(whew) hope i was more clear this time.
 

 

In your opinion, that is what he talks about, I do not believe it is so clear cut a statement. However we do agree that it will not be that westernised.

Good. Personally I hate westernization. I hate easternization too for that matter. Basically I hate when people try to change something from its original form (with the obvious exception of language as long as its not a song) to try and make it fit a new audience.

For example, taking an anime with nudity or "sexual themes", editing the crap out of it, and putting it on North American tv aimed at small kids.

This game does seem profoundly themeless.

Originally posted by Valentina

This game does seem profoundly themeless.

MAybe it just has a theme that we have not seen before making it themeless to an un-knowing observer?

Originally posted by Valentina

This game does seem profoundly themeless.

It does seem that way for those who don't know this:

http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/07/23/archeage-novel-penned-by-popular-korean-fantasy-author/

Even if I was in beta, I would miss out on a lot of background info because I can't read Korean. Still, I try to get some information wherever I can get it - before I can even think of judging a game being made in a foreign country, in a foreign language.

Why can't you?

What's going on in this thread. I see people mentioning sunglasses, and mustache glasses, WTF? There is no such thing in game, and I challenge you to find any screenshot showing these stuff. I would know, I was in the beta.

I've seen a lot of misinformation in these boards (this thread is a perfect example: http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/572/view/forums/thread/342791/page/1 ), please be carefull and ask for a source whenever  someone that wasn't in beta comes up with so-called  "new features".