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  Lucioon

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OP  4/12/12 8:18:00 PM#1

Pre-Purchase , Cash Shop, stress test  , the three major problems with GW2?!?!?!?

really is this the only three problems that haters can think of for GW2!!

GW2 is a very different MMO, how do I know?? I don't, but its not based off Speculation its based off the information available.

1) W v W v W , servers are matched against each other every 2 weeks, after 2 weeks they change so you are constantly fighting against familiar strengthed Servers.

A) If you are matched against Familiar strengthed Servers, doesn't that mean if I have 90% of players that is Millionaires and buys tons and tons of Cash Shop items, they will also be matched up against other Servers that have 90% of players that is Millionaires that buys tons and tons of Cash Shop items.

So eventually, Millionaires makes Anet Milionaires then we get more expansions and more in game goodies....how is this bad

2) PVE, its Co-op mode, everyone helps each other, all loot is separate, all mining and harvesting points are separate

A) so if you buy tons of cash shop items....you get more influence and karma, and that provides you with???? more cosmetic gear!!!!  

3) Structured PVP, Players with money buys tons of items from Cash Shop, the amounts that only the poor can dream of

A) in Structure PVP , everyone is level 80 so............everyone is on equal footing, how does Cash Shop help me??

4) GEAR

A) GW2 has no Gear Grind ...........

So what the hell is Cash Shop gonna do for me that makes it Pay To Win ?!?!?!?!!?!?!?

 

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  Buttpuddle

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4/13/12 7:17:13 AM#2
. I certainly wouldn't call myself a hater.. Just a skeptic (after playing SWTOR and the new WOW) and an unconvinced one after reading some GW2 content. I really want this game to succeed and be fun but Im also thinking this game may not be for me. . The biggest gameplay turnoff is the lack of death penalty. The devs claim they are removing death penalties because dieing isnt fun. For me I like a significant swath penalty (eg xp loss or even better a corpse run) because it makes the rest of the game more exciting. When Im Adventuring in a new, higher level environment I want to feel like my character is in danger and there's a reason to want to stay alive. Without a death penalty I am nonchalant about seeing that herd of hostile birds or that giant with the massive hammer. To me, I agree that deaht is not fun, but the death penalty isn't in the game to make death fun - it's in the game to make all the alive time more entertaining and involved. The devs don't seem to understand this. . I'm also less than convinced that they've abolished the holy trinity. Seems to me that they've given everyone a heal and replaced the healers heals with all the buffs. The devs say healing will be more "proactive" and less "reactive". I always choose a healer because they're most challenging. Replacing my healer with a bard who always casts the same buffs before things get hairy is not my idea of a challenge. I'd rather have the capacity to react and save desperate situations instead of conrtributing one of the 4 heals and hoping that my passive buffs will finishoff the job. Then again that's why I usually play healers instead of bards or shamans. . I'm also really turned off by the f2play model. I have a job and I want to pay an MMO company to provide me with enough entertainment that I don't want to go buy a movie ticket because the MMO is unbalanced or lacking content after 2 months. . I'm going to give it a chance, I'll probably leave when an MMO that punishes me for my deaths will once again restore that feeling of a great and potentially sacrificial adventure. . Edit: apparently my space breaks are not showing up as they are in this iOS browser.. Fucjing Steve jobs lol. I attempted to indent space breaks but it'll likely remain a text wall.
  Shroom_Mage

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4/13/12 7:34:45 AM#3
Buttpuddle, I think you need to read some articles that weren't posted five years ago. The "Healing and Death" page is extremely outdated. A death penalty (armor damage) has since been added. Buffs don't last longer than a few seconds so your bard/shaman analogy is irrelevant. Also, several classes are now able to specialize in healing the party. You still can't outheal incoming damage, but you can support the party with healing in addition to buffs.

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  Bunks

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4/13/12 7:35:22 AM#4

you forgot hype....that's what's wrong with GW2, Hype!

  Lucioon

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OP  4/13/12 8:10:36 AM#5
Originally posted by Bunks

you forgot hype....that's what's wrong with GW2, Hype!

When you compare the HYPE that SWTOR and TSW have with GW2, I really can't see the similarity.

SWTOR = Bioware, Star Wars, The Old Republic. The hype was in the name not in how the game is played

TSW = Non Scifi, Non Fantasy, a combination of both in Modern World. The Hype is in the concept, and what ifs

GW2 = Anet, Non-trinity gameplay, Dynamic Events, W v W , Dodge mechanic, Dungeon with traps, Home instances, personal Stories that branches and evolves your home instance. The Hype of actual gaming mechanics.

 

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  cutthecrap

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4/13/12 8:21:42 AM#6
Originally posted by Lucioon
Originally posted by Bunks

you forgot hype....that's what's wrong with GW2, Hype!

When you compare the HYPE that SWTOR and TSW have with GW2, I really can't see the similarity.

SWTOR = Bioware, Star Wars, The Old Republic. The hype was in the name not in how the game is played

TSW = Non Scifi, Non Fantasy, a combination of both in Modern World. The Hype is in the concept, and what ifs

GW2 = Anet, Non-trinity gameplay, Dynamic Events, W v W , Dodge mechanic, Dungeon with traps, Home instances, personal Stories that branches and evolves your home instance. The Hype of actual gaming mechanics.

I really abhor biased and colored posts like this, no offense.

If you want to really make it equal then your comparison should be like

GW2 = ANet, GW sequel, being different from existing MMO's, 'not like WoW'.

Especially those last two have MMO gamers who've grown bored to death by existing gameplay and features, due to overplaying them for years, slobbering to the point of brainless ecstacy.

Besides that, there were other points that SWTOR and TSW had that triggers hype, but I can't be bothered to even mention them. Point being, there's valid and concrete points as well as hyperbole and emotional points to the hype of each of those 3 games, as well as a TERA, PS2, ArcheAge, Firefall etc. I suggest you be more objective next time.

 

  Lucioon

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OP  4/13/12 8:30:35 AM#7
Originally posted by cutthecrap
Originally posted by Lucioon
Originally posted by Bunks

you forgot hype....that's what's wrong with GW2, Hype!

When you compare the HYPE that SWTOR and TSW have with GW2, I really can't see the similarity.

SWTOR = Bioware, Star Wars, The Old Republic. The hype was in the name not in how the game is played

TSW = Non Scifi, Non Fantasy, a combination of both in Modern World. The Hype is in the concept, and what ifs

GW2 = Anet, Non-trinity gameplay, Dynamic Events, W v W , Dodge mechanic, Dungeon with traps, Home instances, personal Stories that branches and evolves your home instance. The Hype of actual gaming mechanics.

I really abhor biased and colored posts like this, no offense.

If you want to really make it equal then your comparison should be like

GW2 = ANet, GW sequel, being different from existing MMO's, 'not like WoW'.

Especially those last two have MMO gamers who've grown bored to death by existing gameplay and features, due to overplaying them for years, slobbering to the point of brainless ecstacy.

Besides that, there were other points that SWTOR and TSW had that triggers hype, but I can't be bothered to even mention them. Point being, there's valid and concrete points as well as hyperbole and emotional points to the hype of each of those 3 games, as well as a TERA, PS2, ArcheAge, Firefall etc. I suggest you be more objective next time.

 

What i meant was, for GW2 the hype is in the Dynamic Event, the non-trinity and how its different and you will see many talk about that aspect over and over in blogs, youtube videos and press beta videos. What I listed for GW2 was all what anyone talk about.

Yet When I was following SWTOR, everywhere you turn, you hear about how This is The Old Republic, its Bioware and their story telling, its Star Wars how can it go wrong. Rarely do you actually hear about the combat, the gameplay. It always comes second.

For TSW, I lost track in the forums, I tried to follow it but there was not enough information available. And with the demo shown in PAX east 2012, you actually have people buying the Lifetime subscriptions when Many posts that they are only buying because its different , its no longer fantasy or sci-fi but more of an combination as their biggest reasons.

Tera is definitely shaping up to be a good game as well, but because its actually already launched in Korea, not alot of Speculation to be done. If you want to see any Gameplay videos, look around for Korean Videos. Everything you need to know is already available, therefore it isn't HYPE, its reality. The only main difference is in the language.

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  Fadedbomb

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4/13/12 8:32:05 AM#8
Originally posted by Lucioon

Pre-Purchase , Cash Shop, stress test  , the three major problems with GW2?!?!?!?

really is this the only three problems that haters can think of for GW2!!

GW2 is a very different MMO, how do I know?? I don't, but its not based off Speculation its based off the information available.

1) W v W v W , servers are matched against each other every 2 weeks, after 2 weeks they change so you are constantly fighting against familiar strengthed Servers.

A) If you are matched against Familiar strengthed Servers, doesn't that mean if I have 90% of players that is Millionaires and buys tons and tons of Cash Shop items, they will also be matched up against other Servers that have 90% of players that is Millionaires that buys tons and tons of Cash Shop items.

So eventually, Millionaires makes Anet Milionaires then we get more expansions and more in game goodies....how is this bad

2) PVE, its Co-op mode, everyone helps each other, all loot is separate, all mining and harvesting points are separate

A) so if you buy tons of cash shop items....you get more influence and karma, and that provides you with???? more cosmetic gear!!!!  

3) Structured PVP, Players with money buys tons of items from Cash Shop, the amounts that only the poor can dream of

A) in Structure PVP , everyone is level 80 so............everyone is on equal footing, how does Cash Shop help me??

4) GEAR

A) GW2 has no Gear Grind ...........

So what the hell is Cash Shop gonna do for me that makes it Pay To Win ?!?!?!?!!?!?!?

 

All I'm seeing is MORE over-hyping of GW2 by the "Fan" base. Seriously, you need to stop. I see 5 threads like this per day.

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  Lawlmonster

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4/13/12 8:38:04 AM#9
Originally posted by Lucioon
Originally posted by Bunks

you forgot hype....that's what's wrong with GW2, Hype!

When you compare the HYPE that SWTOR and TSW have with GW2, I really can't see the similarity.

SWTOR = Bioware, Star Wars, The Old Republic. The hype was in the name not in how the game is played

TSW = Non Scifi, Non Fantasy, a combination of both in Modern World. The Hype is in the concept, and what ifs

GW2 = Anet, Non-trinity gameplay, Dynamic Events, W v W , Dodge mechanic, Dungeon with traps, Home instances, personal Stories that branches and evolves your home instance. The Hype of actual gaming mechanics.

 

Okay, sure? They're hyped for different reasons, but the fever pitch is just as high. It's getting pretty ridiculous.

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  Nadia

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4/13/12 8:42:01 AM#10

im a fan but agree GW2 is overhyped

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  Caldrin

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4/13/12 8:44:05 AM#11

GW2 is way way over hyped and at the end of the day its just gonna feel and play liek every other recent MMO out there..

Everybody keeps posting how its gonna change the universe and cure all diseases.. i think those people will be a bit disappointed, not at first at first they will be yeah tis amazing totally awesome best game in the entire universe... then they will go quiet after a few weeks to a month adn then come backs months later slating the game to bo another wow clone LOL..

 

Anyway we all like different things GW2 will not be for everyone thats for sure but it will be popular and if you like it then good for you..

 

But please people stop posting silly threads over hyping this game for no reason at all..

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  Nadia

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4/13/12 8:46:34 AM#12
Originally posted by Shroom_Mage
Buttpuddle, I think you need to read some articles that weren't posted five years ago. The "Healing and Death" page is extremely outdated. A death penalty (armor damage) has since been added. Buffs don't last longer than a few seconds so your bard/shaman analogy is irrelevant. Also, several classes are now able to specialize in healing the party. You still can't outheal incoming damage, but you can support the party with healing in addition to buffs.

i wasnt aware of the death penalty for armor damage

but regarding the Healing and Death page -- its only 18 months old (Nov 2010) not 5 years

  Lucioon

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OP  4/13/12 8:49:39 AM#13
Originally posted by Caldrin

GW2 is way way over hyped and at the end of the day its just gonna feel and play liek every other recent MMO out there..

Everybody keeps posting how its gonna change the universe and cure all diseases.. i think those people will be a bit disappointed, not at first at first they will be yeah tis amazing totally awesome best game in the entire universe... then they will go quiet after a few weeks to a month adn then come backs months later slating the game to bo another wow clone LOL..

 

Anyway we all like different things GW2 will not be for everyone thats for sure but it will be popular and if you like it then good for you..

 

But please people stop posting silly threads over hyping this game for no reason at all..

So apparently talking about GW2 is just HYPING it

Talking about confirmed Mechanics is Hyping it

Talking about how Cash Shop will not affect  GW2 is hyping it

Talking about how Pre-purchase is all optional is hyping it

So basically, posting any thread in GW2 forums talking about GW2 , discussing about GW2 , regardless of whether its information thats been confirmed or stated outright and shown in videos. As long as you are talking about GW2 you are HYPING it.

So what the hell can you do if you just want to discuss it!

 

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  Omnifish

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4/13/12 8:49:41 AM#14
Originally posted by Lucioon

GW2 is a very different MMO, how do I know?? I don't, 

 

Really thats all you needed to say, thanks for coming and safe trip home!

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  cutthecrap

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4/13/12 8:51:57 AM#15
Originally posted by Lucioon

What i meant was, for GW2 the hype is in the Dynamic Event, the non-trinity and how its different and you will see many talk about that aspect over and over in blogs, youtube videos and press beta videos. What I listed for GW2 was all what anyone talk about.

Yet When I was following SWTOR, everywhere you turn, you hear about how This is The Old Republic, its Bioware and their story telling, its Star Wars how can it go wrong. Rarely do you actually hear about the combat, the gameplay. It always comes second.

For TSW, I lost track in the forums, I tried to follow it but there was not enough information available. And with the demo shown in PAX east 2012, you actually have people buying the Lifetime subscriptions when Many posts that they are only buying because its different , its no longer fantasy or sci-fi but more of an combination as their biggest reasons.

Tera is definitely shaping up to be a good game as well, but because its actually already launched in Korea, not alot of Speculation to be done. If you want to see any Gameplay videos, look around for Korean Videos. Everything you need to know is already available, therefore it isn't HYPE, its reality. The only main difference is in the language.

SWTOR got hyped also for its story aspects, the class quests, decisions that supposedly had influence, the cover mechanic (well, you mentioned the dodge mechanic, I disagree with both), TSW gets hype for the classless system that allows to you create your own builds from 580 available skills, the atmospheric ingame environments, its interactive skill combo system, level-less system with statless gear, its interesting dungeons and its different crafting system.

Like I said, hype is hype no matter the game. There's some valid foundation to it as well as emotional and irrational stuff. GW2 definitely has both too.

 

Originally posted by Nadia

im a fan but agree GW2 is overhyped

-- sooner those noNDA weekends start, the better

This.

 

  dageeza

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4/13/12 8:53:00 AM#16

I have had a good deal of hands on with GW2 and yes it is very different and yet familiar at the same time in a good way...

From what i was able to do and see in one very active weekend the one thing i know for sure is that the game is not overhyped and what anet says is in there is there...

My intent was to rip into the tradeskills since the media blokes always manage to come up short on them and i soon found out why they come up short on tradeskills for myself, this game kept me so busy adventuring and having fun in kryta with both a ranger and engineer that the tradeskills become an after thought and i mean like after the beta was over afterthought here..

GW2 is a bold evolution in mmo gaming and while i dont know what the content over level 25ish is like i look very forward to finding out, the funny thing is it appears that you could level all the way to 80 in one area if you for some reason wanted to due to the way your character has an "actual world level" and an "effective area based level" which means all low level content is always available at the appropriate and challenging level for instance even if you are a level 70 if you return to queensdale your effective level will be level 4..

 

The haters do not know what they are talking about and should be ignored as with any game there is valid questions and concerns but i trust anet to address them as time moves on...

Many players getting their hands on in this game will help ease many of the lies and misconceptions that the haters and trolls have brought forth..

 

Playing GW2..

  Lucioon

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OP  4/13/12 8:53:12 AM#17
Originally posted by Omnifish
Originally posted by Lucioon

GW2 is a very different MMO, how do I know?? I don't, 

 

Really thats all you needed to say, thanks for coming and safe trip home!

I will end this thread finally without HYPING IT.

How about,

Guild Wars 2 Don't Discuss, Wait till Release !! Nothing to see here, buy if you want

Life is a Maze, so make sure you bring your GPS incase you get lost in it.

  cutthecrap

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4/13/12 8:58:12 AM#18
Originally posted by Lucioon
Originally posted by Omnifish
Originally posted by Lucioon

GW2 is a very different MMO, how do I know?? I don't, 

 

Really thats all you needed to say, thanks for coming and safe trip home!

I will end this thread finally without HYPING IT.

How about,

Guild Wars 2 Don't Discuss, Wait till Release !! Nothing to see here, buy if you want

This is actually the kind of overreaction that I'm talking about, and which I find annoying in the current batch of over enthusiastic new GW2 fans: needless dramaqueening, extreme statements and reactions. Nobody's saying that GW2 shouldn't be discussed and that it's ALL hype and nothing founded in it.

You're the one making extreme statements, like saying that other MMO's was all baseless hype with no foundation or features in it, and saying that all hype around GW2 is 100% grounded in facts and features, or saying that GW2 shouldn't be discussed. I mean, chill, seriously

 

  Nadia

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4/13/12 9:00:18 AM#19
Originally posted by dageeza

I have had a good deal of hands on with GW2 and yes it is very different and yet familiar at the same time in a good way...

From what i was able to do and see in one very active weekend the one thing i know for sure is that the game is not overhyped and what anet says is in there is there...

ANET is not overhyping the game, the fans are

everything may be there for the game itself -- but some fans are making claims like "GW2 is the next big thing"

  Caldrin

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4/13/12 9:02:03 AM#20
Originally posted by Lucioon
Originally posted by Caldrin

GW2 is way way over hyped and at the end of the day its just gonna feel and play liek every other recent MMO out there..

Everybody keeps posting how its gonna change the universe and cure all diseases.. i think those people will be a bit disappointed, not at first at first they will be yeah tis amazing totally awesome best game in the entire universe... then they will go quiet after a few weeks to a month adn then come backs months later slating the game to bo another wow clone LOL..

 

Anyway we all like different things GW2 will not be for everyone thats for sure but it will be popular and if you like it then good for you..

 

But please people stop posting silly threads over hyping this game for no reason at all..

So apparently talking about GW2 is just HYPING it

Talking about confirmed Mechanics is Hyping it

Talking about how Cash Shop will not affect  GW2 is hyping it

Talking about how Pre-purchase is all optional is hyping it

So basically, posting any thread in GW2 forums talking about GW2 , discussing about GW2 , regardless of whether its information thats been confirmed or stated outright and shown in videos. As long as you are talking about GW2 you are HYPING it.

So what the hell can you do if you just want to discuss it!

 


Well to me it just sounded like you where hyping up the game...

Anyway there is jsut way too much crap gonig around about GW2 at the moment and im not even sure why im posting in a GW2 thread LOL ill go away now :)

 

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