Originally posted by Nadya3

Originally posted by Ngeldu5t

Originally posted by Deron_Barak

Originally posted by karmath

It really wont be.

While the combat is awesome, the best we have seen in recent years, but the rest of the game is the same ol' tired linear themepark.

Hyping it to be more than that is stupid.

  Do you have any experience to base this statement off of? The reason I ask is that those that have played the current KTERA version don't all share that sentiment but maybe you have also played all the way through? I won't argue that the early game is a linear themepark and I don't like it.  However I keep being told by those that have played to endgame that it opens up.  Plus there is a lot of group content, both overworld and dungeon based, which has been sorely needed in themepark genre as of late.

 

There was a time when I thought it could be a sleeper hit but after trying CBT 3 I doubt that.I would say at best it would turn to F2P in a year and a half.Questing is boring as hell and people wont shell $60 to level to max to then enjoy the game.We are in 2012 the animations and combat are what really shines in this game,the political system is just a fantasy right now because no one has experienced it yet besides that everything feels 10 years too late.

some people, including myself prefer a game, that captures the old school flavor, with great graphics.  that   don't pretend to be something that isen't, that don't boost your expectations to heavens, and later turn into a huge dissapoinment.

 

In other words, a mediocre game

Originally posted by Deron_Barak

Originally posted by karmath

It really wont be.

While the combat is awesome, the best we have seen in recent years, but the rest of the game is the same ol' tired linear themepark.

Hyping it to be more than that is stupid.

  Do you have any experience to base this statement off of? The reason I ask is that those that have played the current KTERA version don't all share that sentiment but maybe you have also played all the way through? I won't argue that the early game is a linear themepark and I don't like it.  However I keep being told by those that have played to endgame that it opens up.  Plus there is a lot of group content, both overworld and dungeon based, which has been sorely needed in themepark genre as of late.

 

Ive played all EU and US beta's and played around with a friends KTERA account. I'm not saying its a terrible game, its far from bad. But it is the same ol' tired crap + an awesome combat system, nothing more, nothing less. I would put it in leauge with the current state of Age of Conan, which is pretty decent these days PvE wise.

Originally posted by wrightstuf

Originally posted by Nadya3

Originally posted by Ngeldu5t

Originally posted by Deron_Barak

Originally posted by karmath

It really wont be.

While the combat is awesome, the best we have seen in recent years, but the rest of the game is the same ol' tired linear themepark.

Hyping it to be more than that is stupid.

  Do you have any experience to base this statement off of? The reason I ask is that those that have played the current KTERA version don't all share that sentiment but maybe you have also played all the way through? I won't argue that the early game is a linear themepark and I don't like it.  However I keep being told by those that have played to endgame that it opens up.  Plus there is a lot of group content, both overworld and dungeon based, which has been sorely needed in themepark genre as of late.

 

There was a time when I thought it could be a sleeper hit but after trying CBT 3 I doubt that.I would say at best it would turn to F2P in a year and a half.Questing is boring as hell and people wont shell $60 to level to max to then enjoy the game.We are in 2012 the animations and combat are what really shines in this game,the political system is just a fantasy right now because no one has experienced it yet besides that everything feels 10 years too late.

some people, including myself prefer a game, that captures the old school flavor, with great graphics.  that   don't pretend to be something that isen't, that don't boost your expectations to heavens, and later turn into a huge dissapoinment.

 

In other words, a mediocre game

Mediocre for you.  great for others.

you can't impose your playing style, nor your preferences upon others.   

Originally posted by burdock2

With all these other high profile MMOs running ramparnt atm (SWTOR/TSW/GW2) I feel that TERA might just be that sleeper that makes a bigger spalsh than people are predicting. I tried out the CBT but didnt really get into it much as I knew my character was going to be deleted, I didnt want to get too attached. Now that Open Beta is upon us and we actually get to keep the character through to launch (normally unheard of) then I can really sink my teeth in.

 

This will be what Final Fantasy XIV and AION should have been (for the western audience) and I forsee a smooth laucnh.

 

Not to mention, it will knock Age of Conan off for being the best looking MMO. I simply have not seen better graphics (better than GW2 too) on PC, EVER!! Thats right, this has to be the most beautiful piece of electronic artwork I have ever seen!

 

If you have not seen it in action, you are missing it!

 

TERA for MMO GAME OF THE YEAR!!

i seen alot. Sorry Tera will be just another mmo.

Originally posted by Cetra

Originally posted by burdock2

With all these other high profile MMOs running ramparnt atm (SWTOR/TSW/GW2) I feel that TERA might just be that sleeper that makes a bigger spalsh than people are predicting. I tried out the CBT but didnt really get into it much as I knew my character was going to be deleted, I didnt want to get too attached. Now that Open Beta is upon us and we actually get to keep the character through to launch (normally unheard of) then I can really sink my teeth in.

 

This will be what Final Fantasy XIV and AION should have been (for the western audience) and I forsee a smooth laucnh.

 

Not to mention, it will knock Age of Conan off for being the best looking MMO. I simply have not seen better graphics (better than GW2 too) on PC, EVER!! Thats right, this has to be the most beautiful piece of electronic artwork I have ever seen!

 

If you have not seen it in action, you are missing it!

 

TERA for MMO GAME OF THE YEAR!!

i seen alot. Sorry Tera will be just another mmo.

 

Tera, GW2, TSW, etc, etc, etc, etc.

we won't see a trully radically different MMO in our lifetime.   even people who keep crying and constantly demanding new things.  get bored 1 or 2 month after.  unfortunately we humans, are creatures of habits.  we normally feel more comfortable with things we are familiar with.   so yes, we all want new things.   Bioware made something totally new, and different.  and still that wasen't enough for alot of people.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vxiQ9JCKvE

Originally posted by deziwright

Though still. I will admit. They really didnt even need quests in this game. Should have just kept it as a monster hunter game and got rid of a lot of the rpg questing element. Focus on whats great. :)

... But without quests it's not a MMORPG, and they couldn't have charged a sub for that.

Originally posted by k-damage

Originally posted by deziwright

Though still. I will admit. They really didnt even need quests in this game. Should have just kept it as a monster hunter game and got rid of a lot of the rpg questing element. Focus on whats great. :)

... But without quests it's not a MMORPG, and they couldn't have charged a sub for that.

Eq1, Daoc, Ultima online, Asheron 's call, anarchy online, lineage 2.

MMO pre Wow, EQ2.   had 0 quests, or very little questing.   all had month subs.

Originally posted by burdock2

Now that Open Beta is upon us and we actually get to keep the character through to launch (normally unheard of) then I can really sink my teeth in.

About keeping your character after open beta is this true ?

Originally posted by Nadya3

Originally posted by Cetra

Originally posted by burdock2

With all these other high profile MMOs running ramparnt atm (SWTOR/TSW/GW2) I feel that TERA might just be that sleeper that makes a bigger spalsh than people are predicting. I tried out the CBT but didnt really get into it much as I knew my character was going to be deleted, I didnt want to get too attached. Now that Open Beta is upon us and we actually get to keep the character through to launch (normally unheard of) then I can really sink my teeth in.

 

This will be what Final Fantasy XIV and AION should have been (for the western audience) and I forsee a smooth laucnh.

 

Not to mention, it will knock Age of Conan off for being the best looking MMO. I simply have not seen better graphics (better than GW2 too) on PC, EVER!! Thats right, this has to be the most beautiful piece of electronic artwork I have ever seen!

 

If you have not seen it in action, you are missing it!

 

TERA for MMO GAME OF THE YEAR!!

i seen alot. Sorry Tera will be just another mmo.

 

Tera, GW2, TSW, etc, etc, etc, etc.

we won't see a trully radically different MMO in our lifetime.   even people who keep crying and constantly demanding new things.  get bored 1 or 2 month after.  unfortunately we humans, are creatures of habits.  we normally feel more comfortable with things we are familiar with.   so yes, we all want new things.   Bioware made something totally new, and different.  and still that wasen't enough for alot of people.

wait what o.O bioware made a shit WoW clone stuck in light sabers and VO and you call that something totally new and different

last i checked SWTOR is just like WoW in almost every aspect and the only thing they do better is the VO which after the 1st time through you never want to hear again.

bioware has made shit with their last few games to name a few SWTOR, DA2, ME3

the bioware name means nothing now 

Originally posted by Nadya3

Tera, GW2, TSW, etc, etc, etc, etc.

we won't see a trully radically different MMO in our lifetime.   even people who keep crying and constantly demanding new things.  get bored 1 or 2 month after.  unfortunately we humans, are creatures of habits.  we normally feel more comfortable with things we are familiar with.   so yes, we all want new things.   Bioware made something totally new, and different.  and still that wasen't enough for alot of people.

While it's true that humans are creatures of habit GW2 will be radically different themepark MMO.

Bioware didn't do something totally new and different or maybe you were just sarcastic lol.

Anyway GW2 has lots of innovations and new radically different features but i doubt it will be a success because people still want the "good old WoW/Eq2 formula" (like Rift, Swtor and Tera).

When people say that TERA failed in Korea means that it started with 37 servers and had 3 major mergers. They are down to a dozen now if i remember correctly. Even in Japan started with a lot of servers and now there are only 3 of them.

And for a game from the developers of Lineage 2 that was meant like a Lineage 3 and was hyped as hell at launch yes we can say it failed.

When was first announced the developers promised a lot of sandbox features and now look at the game. Koreans were pissed off. But most of all were furious at the lack of endgame content at launch: 2 5man instances at launch with only silly battlegrounds.

Of course people that tried the game went away in a couple of months. Now the population is more stable but the initial dive was a disaster.

Even the BlueHole developers admitted in public that they failed the launch and apologized for it with a promise to work hard in the future.

The Western TERA launch is a bit smarter: Enmasse upgraded 3 lower level dungeons to the 2 cap level dungeon so we can have at least 5 dungeons hard mode at max level. Sure it's better than what koreans got.

But the lack of battlegrounds is something to be worried about.

I don't think TERA will make big numbers. There is no potential for that and the hype is underwhelming.

But i don't see it fail either. It will be nice niche for the "WoW formula + action combat - raiding" people.

Imo.

"About keeping your character after open beta is this true ?"

If I have read it right, then yes is the answer.

I on the other hand think it blows :D and is a underhanded way to grab initial subs/buyers as its from an "open" event.

Originally posted by Nadya3

Originally posted by k-damage

Originally posted by deziwright

Though still. I will admit. They really didnt even need quests in this game. Should have just kept it as a monster hunter game and got rid of a lot of the rpg questing element. Focus on whats great. :)

... But without quests it's not a MMORPG, and they couldn't have charged a sub for that.

Eq1, Daoc, Ultima online, Asheron 's call, anarchy online, lineage 2.

MMO pre Wow, EQ2.   had 0 quests, or very little questing.   all had month subs.

Eh? EQ had quests, not that many, true, but still, it had quests. DAoC too. EQ2 had a whole bunchload of quests, they even boasted about it.

Quests and quest based leveling were introduced, because in general people got sick and tired of solely being able to level by mob grinding all the time. People often tend to forget that part.

Originally posted by Dark_HUmar

About keeping your character after open beta is this true ?

NA TERA yes

Euro TERA no

Originally posted by Nadya3

Originally posted by Ngeldu5t

Originally posted by Deron_Barak

Originally posted by karmath

It really wont be.

While the combat is awesome, the best we have seen in recent years, but the rest of the game is the same ol' tired linear themepark.

Hyping it to be more than that is stupid.

  Do you have any experience to base this statement off of? The reason I ask is that those that have played the current KTERA version don't all share that sentiment but maybe you have also played all the way through? I won't argue that the early game is a linear themepark and I don't like it.  However I keep being told by those that have played to endgame that it opens up.  Plus there is a lot of group content, both overworld and dungeon based, which has been sorely needed in themepark genre as of late.

 

There was a time when I thought it could be a sleeper hit but after trying CBT 3 I doubt that.I would say at best it would turn to F2P in a year and a half.Questing is boring as hell and people wont shell $60 to level to max to then enjoy the game.We are in 2012 the animations and combat are what really shines in this game,the political system is just a fantasy right now because no one has experienced it yet besides that everything feels 10 years too late.

some people, including myself prefer a game, that captures the old school flavor, with great graphics.  that   don't pretend to be something that isen't, that don't boost your expectations to heavens, and later turn into a huge dissapoinment.

Tera is not a game for everyone.  if you want something new, i really suggest you to try Swtor.  

  GW2 does not offer anything new at all. at least not to me.   in fact,  the mega exciting dynamic events, have been done in other MMO before.

i don't want a MMO that can magically teleport me into the year 40000,(well that would be neat!p).  i  want toplay a MMO that provide me with constant entertainment.  that don't force me to buy crappy vanity items every week or so,  that can have a good costumer support.  that has a good and healthy community.  that provides me, with a virtual world i can explore.  that gives me a variety of things to do, once i get to max level.    so only time will tell, wether Tera will manage to deliver that or not.  

  the sameway is absurd to  talk about all the wonders of GW2 and every other upcoming MMO that are not even in beta yet.  untill the game don't get released, 1 or 2 month after.   we can only make assumptions, or speculate, mostly based on wishful thinking.

 

gw2 breaks mmo standards

completely gearless based pvp

no mob tagging

pushes ppl to work together without barriers suchs as parties

everyone gets their own loot based on what they did

limiting players to about a dozen skills to b used at one time

no gear grinding

WvWvW 

no open world pve where you get ganked

there wont b pvp, pve,rp servers theres no need

can do almost anything in the game from lvl 1 dont have to get to max lvll to get the "real game"

a hybrid hotkey action mmo that takes physics into account(i have the highground i can shoot farther as an example)

no more reading quest txt 

no long list of  quests to do on the side on the UI

not bound by animations 

no holy trinity

im sure i could go on but gw2 does more to change MMOs than any other game ive seen recently

Originally posted by chibineko89

Originally posted by Nadya3

Originally posted by Ngeldu5t

Originally posted by Deron_Barak

Originally posted by karmath

It really wont be.

While the combat is awesome, the best we have seen in recent years, but the rest of the game is the same ol' tired linear themepark.

Hyping it to be more than that is stupid.

  Do you have any experience to base this statement off of? The reason I ask is that those that have played the current KTERA version don't all share that sentiment but maybe you have also played all the way through? I won't argue that the early game is a linear themepark and I don't like it.  However I keep being told by those that have played to endgame that it opens up.  Plus there is a lot of group content, both overworld and dungeon based, which has been sorely needed in themepark genre as of late.

 

There was a time when I thought it could be a sleeper hit but after trying CBT 3 I doubt that.I would say at best it would turn to F2P in a year and a half.Questing is boring as hell and people wont shell $60 to level to max to then enjoy the game.We are in 2012 the animations and combat are what really shines in this game,the political system is just a fantasy right now because no one has experienced it yet besides that everything feels 10 years too late.

some people, including myself prefer a game, that captures the old school flavor, with great graphics.  that   don't pretend to be something that isen't, that don't boost your expectations to heavens, and later turn into a huge dissapoinment.

Tera is not a game for everyone.  if you want something new, i really suggest you to try Swtor.  

  GW2 does not offer anything new at all. at least not to me.   in fact,  the mega exciting dynamic events, have been done in other MMO before.

i don't want a MMO that can magically teleport me into the year 40000,(well that would be neat!p).  i  want toplay a MMO that provide me with constant entertainment.  that don't force me to buy crappy vanity items every week or so,  that can have a good costumer support.  that has a good and healthy community.  that provides me, with a virtual world i can explore.  that gives me a variety of things to do, once i get to max level.    so only time will tell, wether Tera will manage to deliver that or not.  

  the sameway is absurd to  talk about all the wonders of GW2 and every other upcoming MMO that are not even in beta yet.  untill the game don't get released, 1 or 2 month after.   we can only make assumptions, or speculate, mostly based on wishful thinking.

 

gw2 breaks mmo standards

completely gearless based pvp

no mob tagging  Can you tell me what you mean with this?

pushes ppl to work together without barriers suchs as parties  In dynamic events yes, but RIFT also has this with it's rifts and TERA has it's own version of this as well. Sure not GW2's DE's but you can group with other people without the barriers you are talking about.

everyone gets their own loot based on what they did  OK

limiting players to about a dozen skills to b used at one time   I can see the strategy required in this and I think that it can be a good thing. However I have this strange feeling that most players who play this after launch won't like this as it increases difficulty.

no gear grinding Some people like upgrading their gear but yeah this is good for the people who don't want gear to affect their game, so I agree. (the points marked with green are almost the same thing)

WvWvW  Has been done before and TERA will have it's own version by the end of this summer.

no open world pve where you get ganked You mean no open world PvP and if you play another game and don't want OWPvP roll on a PvE server.

there wont b pvp, pve,rp servers theres no need  There is no need but they are missing OWPvP, which is something some people love. Not having server types is not innovative.

can do almost anything in the game from lvl 1 dont have to get to max lvll to get the "real game"  Not really. The only thing that you can't do in level 1 in other games that you can do here is PvP. There are many zones and dungeons that you can't do at level 1.

a hybrid hotkey action mmo that takes physics into account(i have the highground i can shoot farther as an example) I don't know if any other MMO has implemented this, maybe yes maybe no. (the highground thing I mean)

no more reading quest txt 

no long list of  quests to do on the side on the UI  These two are the same thing not two different things. You are right about not needing quests though, except if you want to do your personal story that is, but that is not required. TERA also has alternate ways to level once you hit 20, they are doing dungeons and soloing or grouping on BAMs, sure it's not dynamic events but you don't HAVE to quest since the exp rate are good if you do these.

not bound by animations  Most tab -target MMO's are not bound by animations.

no holy trinity  I hope so, we will see about that.

im sure i could go on but gw2 does more to change MMOs than any other game ive seen recently

Originally posted by Ganathar

completely gearless based pvp

no mob tagging  Can you tell me what you mean with this?

there is no mob stealing. Everyone gets loot and experience. 

pushes ppl to work together without barriers suchs as parties  In dynamic events yes, but RIFT also has this with it's rifts and TERA has it's own version of this as well. Sure not GW2's DE's but you can group with other people without the barriers you are talking about.

DE are nothing like Rifts or the even more simplified TERA versions. They can branch, they have persistant consequences and they are everwhere. There are no normal quests in GW2.(except the personal story).

You can compare it with the few rifts in other games.

everyone gets their own loot based on what they did  OK

limiting players to about a dozen skills to b used at one time   I can see the strategy required in this and I think that it can be a good thing. However I have this strange feeling that most players who play this after launch won't like this as it increases difficulty.

It won't. GW1 worked this way. And TSW copied the system too.

no gear grinding Some people like upgrading their gear but yeah this is good for the people who don't want gear to affect their game, so I agree. (the points marked with green are almost the same thing)

True. A lot of people like gear grind. Sure GW2 is different

WvWvW  Has been done before and TERA will have it's own version by the end of this summer.

Only DAOC had it.... 10 Years ago. And the Gw2 devs clearly said they were inspired by DAOC. Lots of people waited 10 years to have the DAOC feeling back of course everyone is excited about it.

Tera won't have it by the end of summer. They are working on Battlegrounds now. More like TERA will have a simplified version in 2013. BTW it's not even clear what TERA will do... they were vague about invasions but never said anything about sieges. Still only whishful thinking for the future.

no open world pve where you get ganked You mean no open world PvP and if you play another game and don't want OWPvP roll on a PvE server.

But on the PVE server you can't do OWPVP. In GW2 you can go in WvWvW and enjoy mass pvp like nothing seen in years. 

there wont b pvp, pve,rp servers theres no need  There is no need but they are missing OWPvP, which is something some people love. Not having server types is not innovative.

GW2 devs said they don't care about gankers and griefers. It's their choice. It won't be the game for them.

can do almost anything in the game from lvl 1 dont have to get to max lvll to get the "real game"  Not really. The only thing that you can't do in level 1 in other games that you can do here is PvP. There are many zones and dungeons that you can't do at level 1.

Well... that's why you have to leveling. But still from level 1 you can do everything : PVE, PVP and WvWvW

a hybrid hotkey action mmo that takes physics into account(i have the highground i can shoot farther as an example) I don't know if any other MMO has implemented this, maybe yes maybe no. (the highground thing I mean)

I dunno 

no more reading quest txt 

no long list of  quests to do on the side on the UI  These two are the same thing not two different things. You are right about not needing quests though, except if you want to do your personal story that is, but that is not required. TERA also has alternate ways to level once you hit 20, they are doing dungeons and soloing or grouping on BAMs, sure it's not dynamic events but you don't HAVE to quest since the exp rate are good if you do these.

Well he was talking about the evolution of quest not going back to grinding mobs and dungeons.

not bound by animations  Most tab -target MMO's are not bound by animations.

no holy trinity  I hope so, we will see about that.

The beta is out. Holy trinity is dead. You can't be a tank, and you can't be a healer.

im sure i could go on but gw2 does more to change MMOs than any other game ive seen recently

 

Still different =/= better

At lest not always.

While i agree TERA does NOT bring many new things and does just mainly "one" thing different, i also disagree of it to be insignificant.

TERA changes something fundamental, one core. The combat and by all means this is not something small. Everyone does combat and does combat for everything.

Grinding mobs is grinding mobs, but when it is actually fun to combat them, it's not a grind anymore. True enough some people do not care for combat feel, visual interpretation or anything else, they just want the metadeed of the drop. However people should stop acting as if this is a small thing.

Soloing a Boss in a 1hour fight with collision detection, use of environment (Line of sight, high ground) is way different than your average kill 200 Furborgs with tab and 1,2,3 key for an hour.

And Tera comes with a lot of copy & pasted finished designs (!). (The good kind of coping)
* Map markers postable in chat, questtracker npcs postable in chat.
* A decent group finder postlist (for the old school) and full fledged LFG tool if you want to use it.
* Customizable UI

Another difference is, TERA offers the possiblity to Questgrind for the WoW Crowd as well as grinding mobs (BAMS) for the more sandbox types. You will not lack gear or money in choosing either.

I'd never liked the WoW questgrind. Always telling me what to do, distrurbing my game flow, punishing me for not going to that specific location or slaying that mob type. Following always a carrot through lands i may like or not. Free worlds are where my heart is. My epic quest was obtaining the best gear, which includes 3 weeks of gathering, killing, trading everywhere i saw fit on my own. (So mob grinding wasn't an issue to me ever, i could choose where and when). 

Tera allows me to do that again, GW2? It's difficult while you are not stricktly tied to a carrot path, dnymic "envoling" situations still limit my doing. While clearing an Orc camp and then getting a bit battle may sound awesome on paper, i wonder how long is it "fun" to go to the same static "phases" of the event again, and again. (longlivety) After all Phases still enforce me to follow them or do something else.

Tera's downfall could only be the "PVP" centric claims of the EU / NA publishers. TERA is not a PVP centric game by nature (korea). Possibility of Politics does not equal FFA full PVP all day ganking - in Korea. The PVP crowd overhyped by the Betas currently ignore the fact that the level cap and lack of Endgame itemization (like enchanting, luxing and stone stacking with top end gear) is missing.

see: http://blackrabbit2999.blogspot.de/2012/02/tera-online-gear-attributes-and.html TERA's half ofcustomization  is GEAR(Equipmen) based. The rest is Glyphs.

Unlike what many believe this takes time, this creates a huge item(gear) gap and thus many will sink down a lot of time into gear (pve) or metagame politics in order to be competitive in pvp.

The level dominance falls of swiftly, and once you can get one shottet by a PVE centric player with top gear, you will need to sink down your time into gear too, as a PVPer. Open world ganking with friends during a GVG will not give you the gear. Outlawing random people killing BAMs will not give you the gear. The whole "skill" BS only applies when equally geared or for the beta : within 2 levels.

I expect a s*****storm like in AION / RIFT and SWTOR of that crowd once we get one week into retail. On the other hand, those people have never been meant to be pleased by TERA. But i personaly blame BHS-EME / Frogster for hyping it as PVP centric rather than "heavy".

It was a sleeper hit for me alright. I literally fell asleep and hit my face on the keyboard it was so boring.