Originally posted by karmath

EAMythicware are going from one trainwreck to the next by their own accord, its incredibly funny and not in my wildest dreams had I hoped they would screw up this hard. Tis a good day for sandbox gaming.

Yep

And Tortanic strikes again.

Originally posted by Wicoa

Originally posted by karmath

EAMythicware are going from one trainwreck to the next by their own accord, its incredibly funny and not in my wildest dreams had I hoped they would screw up this hard. Tis a good day for sandbox gaming.

Yep

And Tortanic strikes again.

Oh god, and think on Sat the 14th is the 100th anniversary of the Titanic's sinking. Youtube will be overrun.

I just remember 1.1 being overshadowed by the Ilum mess, and now when they hold a feature back because it's not working the way they want, 1.2 is now also overshadowed by a PvP issue.

People said then that the Ilum changes shouldn't have gone live, and they were right. But somehow this time they should send ranked warzones live even if they're not working properly...? Man, I would so hate to be a game developer. Can't win for losing.

Can you imagine the screaming if they sent the ranked wzs live and the ranking system didn't work properly? How many more demands would there be for refunds? How much ballyhoo would there be all over the internet? PvP-ers make the most noise of any player group, they always have.

Yeah, they messed up by pulling them at the 11th hour, but adding a feature that's not working properly at this stage would do a lot more damage than working on it a bit longer and adding it once they're sure of it.

Originally posted by Larsjex

Okay, now I have to post something...

If you (or anybody else) resubbed for a feature that was in PTS patch notes, then it really, really is your own fault. PTS patch notes says they can be changed at any time, same as in any MMO, same as in any game. If you're excited about a TEST CENTER patch notes feature, you should have waited to resub when the patch is released, to ensure you get what you want from it.

I don't think they should refund anything, it is -Entirely- your own fault.

This.I know of no one in game that said "I think I'll resub for ranked warzones." Much ado about nothing, but par for the course around here.

I am a SWTOR supporter for the most part. But, this latest PvP debacle has me upset. I don't even PvP much, but the fact that Bio/EA lures people in with promised content and backs out at the last minute, is just wrong on all counts.

I think I will start looking for something else to play now. Aion 3.0 or Rift is sounding good to me at the moment.

Originally posted by Hopscotch73

I just remember 1.1 being overshadowed by the Ilum mess, and now when they hold a feature back because it's not working the way they want, 1.2 is now also overshadowed by a PvP issue.

People said then that the Ilum changes shouldn't have gone live, and they were right. But somehow this time they should send ranked warzones live even if they're not working properly...? Man, I would so hate to be a game developer. Can't win for losing.

Can you imagine the screaming if they sent the ranked wzs live and the ranking system didn't work properly? How many more demands would there be for refunds? How much ballyhoo would there be all over the internet? PvP-ers make the most noise of any player group, they always have.

Yeah, they messed up by pulling them at the 11th hour, but adding a feature that's not working properly at this stage would do a lot more damage than working on it a bit longer and adding it once they're sure of it.

The player wants good service and a product that is working as advertized. Of course the customer will be unhappy if they fail to release/include a promised feature. If it is released broken and not really working it will be the same reactions. They cant win that way. Its a fail... Only way to get positive reactions and satisfied players is to give them exactly what they promised to give them. Or more... If they are incompetent and cant get things done properly and in time players will recognize that. There is no way that team can avoid the screaming and complaining.

Originally posted by Hurvart

Originally posted by Hopscotch73

I just remember 1.1 being overshadowed by the Ilum mess, and now when they hold a feature back because it's not working the way they want, 1.2 is now also overshadowed by a PvP issue.

People said then that the Ilum changes shouldn't have gone live, and they were right. But somehow this time they should send ranked warzones live even if they're not working properly...? Man, I would so hate to be a game developer. Can't win for losing.

Can you imagine the screaming if they sent the ranked wzs live and the ranking system didn't work properly? How many more demands would there be for refunds? How much ballyhoo would there be all over the internet? PvP-ers make the most noise of any player group, they always have.

Yeah, they messed up by pulling them at the 11th hour, but adding a feature that's not working properly at this stage would do a lot more damage than working on it a bit longer and adding it once they're sure of it.

The player wants good service and a product that is working as advertized. Of course the customer will be unhappy if they fail to release/include a promised feature. If it is released broken and not really working it will be the same reactions. They cant win that way. Its a fail... Only way to get positive reactions and satisfied players is to give them exactly what they promised to give them. Or more... If they are incompetent and cant get things done properly and in time players will recognize that. There is no way that team can avoid the screaming and complaining.

The PR EA and BW have of late, makes one think they can't possibly even be concerned with the PC market anymore.

Last weeks poo awards, the ME3 fiasco, now the BBB cited them with false advertisment over ME3, lets not forget the hiring of fake Christian protesters way back in 09. Then you have a bait and switch like this? I'm not piling on here, but either EA/BW has a serious ethics problem or they already know this is an empty well they won't be drilling in the future.

I seriously doubt EA will be making PC games 12 months from now. They have already said it publicly that PC gaming is a dying market. I just didnt think they expect it to be dead this quick for them.

I'm confused on the OPs standing. You mean if I was someone who dropped my sub months ago because I was unhappy with the content in the game, and then for some stupid reason I resubbed BEFORE 1.2 came out hoping that for some reason the content would have changed BEFORE 1.2 came out, that I should get a refund now? No, that can't be right...oh ok I see what you're saying now. You think that since I couldnt' wait the extra 1-10 days until 1.2 comes out, that EA/BW should refund my  money because they changed thier mind on content PRIOR to putting the patch out with someting bad in it. Hmm...no no that can't be right either. I mean seriously, what kind of an idiot cancels thier sub because they hate the game, then refuses to wait until the patch is live to resub? NO, they shouldn't refund you shit for being a dumb ass. Next time learn to have some patience and wait until that important patch goes live before you resub to a game you already decided wasn't worth your monthly fee anyway. 

Sorry, thats just my opinion there. 

Many of you have missed the point.

EA/Bioware knew full well PRIOR to the announcement, that 1.2 was not going to include rated war zones. How come, you ask?

Well, for those who dont know, if you logged in to play yesterday, thanks to Biowares stupidity, some players actually had the patch DOWNLOAD and update their game -leaving them unable to play until today - so Bioware claimed.

Never once did they say that the patch needed to be re-downloaded because ranked WZs were left out. So if the patch went live by mistake early, then they knew full well ranked WZs werent making it into the final game.

Either way, for someone such as big as 1.2, providing only 24 hours notice to push it to live and then another announcement at the 11th hour stating no ranked, simply shows that Bioware simply havent a clue how to run a live service.

After they SOE in disguise?

Originally posted by Kaocan

I'm confused on the OPs standing. You mean if I was someone who dropped my sub months ago because I was unhappy with the content in the game, and then for some stupid reason I resubbed BEFORE 1.2 came out hoping that for some reason the content would have changed BEFORE 1.2 came out, that I should get a refund now? No, that can't be right...oh ok I see what you're saying now. You think that since I couldnt' wait the extra 1-10 days until 1.2 comes out, that EA/BW should refund my  money because they changed thier mind on content PRIOR to putting the patch out with someting bad in it. Hmm...no no that can't be right either. I mean seriously, what kind of an idiot cancels thier sub because they hate the game, then refuses to wait until the patch is live to resub? NO, they shouldn't refund you shit for being a dumb ass. Next time learn to have some patience and wait until that important patch goes live before you resub to a game you already decided wasn't worth your monthly fee anyway. 

Sorry, thats just my opinion there. 

LOL. Best post in this thread by far.

Originally posted by Bardus

Actually it has happen before but in a much larger scale. NGE for SWG and yep they had to do some refunds for it.

Unless my memory is really faulty, they never refunded subs they did refund the xpac that was launching at the same time.  I remember people being up in arms that they had bought year long subs and couldn't get their money back.

I don't think they have to do anything.  They have made it clear they planned on implementing in the future.

These doom and gloom threads come off as nothing more than a child ranting.  Do people think before they post anymore?  Or do they just post whatever emotion they feel at the moment?  It seems all the TOR haters at the moment were the staunch TOR defenders before....same extreme views, just different camps.  Do you guys see what you are doing?

Originally posted by grimal

I don't think they have to do anything.  They have made it clear they planned on implementing in the future.

 

These doom and gloom threads come off as nothing more than a child ranting.  Do people think before they post anymore?  Or do they just post whatever emotion they feel at the moment?  It seems all the TOR haters at the moment were the staunch TOR defenders before....same extreme views, just different camps.  Do you guys see what you are doing?

They defended a game they enjoyed until the developers screwed em. 

Makes sense to me. 

If EA can taint the image of a once mega dev like bioware it is going to be fun watching what they do for an already tainted dev like fudgecom and the following TSW meltdown from those who bite into it...

Originally posted by grimal

I don't think they have to do anything.  They have made it clear they planned on implementing in the future.

 

These doom and gloom threads come off as nothing more than a child ranting.  Do people think before they post anymore?  Or do they just post whatever emotion they feel at the moment?  It seems all the TOR haters at the moment were the staunch TOR defenders before....same extreme views, just different camps.  Do you guys see what you are doing?