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  Nadya3

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4/12/12 1:45:47 AM#41

is just that some people fail to understand,  that what may be great to them,  it isen't for others.

even those games, that unanimously people consider a bad game.  can be great for others.

for instance, i remember trying out EVE online and unistalling the game in less than 3 minutes.  did i tell everyone i found and bumped into, how much the game sucks after that?  hell no.   the game wasen't for me.

some people fail to grasp the basic concept, that we humans are all different.  we all like and dislike different things.

every MMO available and, the ones coming.  have cons and pros.

  otacu

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4/12/12 2:13:27 AM#42

The Gamebreaker guy makes some really good points. And after all it's his own opinion you have to understand not everyone is going to like YOUR favourite game.

Btw i'm kinda surprised to see a mmorpg website as big as gamebreaker.tv taking such a harsh stance on a videogame.
Since they are in the business i guess the easiest way is to say that every game is fun and every game is terrific. This way they won't anger fans and game developers.
But it's just being hypocrites.

So i'm glad the gamebreaker guys are speaking their minds.
Be honest and give me your opinion.
Let's just keep in mind it's HIS opinion and don't whine.



 

Originally posted by afropuff420

That being said the only game I see to be really changing things up is Archeage. I think when Archeage finally makes it to the west (hopefully not years from now) that it will knock a lot of people off their feet. Most gamers haven't seen a system like Archeage or an MMO with that level of complexity. The irony here is that Archeage is more like a 3D version of Ultima Online as far as the mechanics go. Which would be amazing to see. I really think people need a game like this.



 
NO there are a lot of MMO with that level of complexity and even more. The point is that Archeage is a SANDBOX game (like Ultima, EVE, MO etc.) not a THEMEPARK like WoW, Tera, Rift, Swtor and Gw2.
And there is a reason why the sandbox games are niche and not very popular. It's not like they don't sound amazing... it's just that they are HUGE and i mean HUUUUUUGE timesink.
You have to invest too much time to have really fun in this kind of game so of course most of the people will just go in Themparks and have instant fun.
Archeage looks fun and i'm following his development but i'm 99% i won't play it (like the majority of this forum) because i don't have so much time for mmorpg (otherwise i would play EVE ONLINE right now)

  n3v3rriv3r

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OP  4/12/12 3:08:55 AM#43
Originally posted by otacu

So i'm glad the gamebreaker guys are speaking their minds.
Be honest and give me your opinion.
Let's just keep in mind it's HIS opinion and don't whine.

I would very like to know why THEY whine. Let me remind you that the topic it is not about me. It is not like they have to play the game. The article is not a review it is bashing and yes whining as you said - I wont be playing the game boohooo. I dont care what you wont be playing.


Yes they are honest only about one game for other thousand it is not important.

  otacu

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4/12/12 3:33:23 AM#44

The article was not a review and he never claimed it

It was just his honest opinion

Big deal 

I don't get the whining about his opinion

  n3v3rriv3r

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OP  4/12/12 4:52:14 AM#45
Originally posted by otacu

The article was not a review and he never claimed it

It was just his honest opinion

Big deal 

I don't get the whining about his opinion

Ok so I dont get your whining about my opinion. Big deal. It is just my "honest" opinion that they are relentlessly bashing the game... and I am getting tired of the "it is only an opinion" arguments, debates etc.

  aesperus

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4/12/12 5:06:58 AM#46
Originally posted by n3v3rriv3r

I would very like to know why THEY whine. Let me remind you that the topic it is not about me. It is not like they have to play the game. The article is not a review it is bashing and yes whining as you said - I wont be playing the game boohooo. I dont care what you wont be playing.


Yes they are honest only about one game for other thousand it is not important.

Wow.. do you even read your own posts before posting?

The title of it says it all. It's a response piece. It's not a review, and I think calling it 'bashing' the game is a bit of a stretch (or at least an overreaction). People asked them about TERA, and why they aren't covering it. The video is their response, plain and simple.

If you take a step back and look at it objectively, you'll notice that there isn't a whole lot they criticize the game for. The entire video basically comes down to 'we tried the game, it wasn't really for us, thus we aren't going to be covering it'. That's it. Is it really worth getting worked up over? There's a lot of people with the same opinion.

I mean, on the flip side they could cover it anyway, knowing full well the game isn't really for them, and thus be forced to actually bash it legitimately.

  mcrippins

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Joined: 7/01/07
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4/12/12 5:11:20 AM#47
Originally posted by otacu

The Gamebreaker guy makes some really good points. And after all it's his own opinion you have to understand not everyone is going to like YOUR favourite game.

Btw i'm kinda surprised to see a mmorpg website as big as gamebreaker.tv taking such a harsh stance on a videogame.
Since they are in the business i guess the easiest way is to say that every game is fun and every game is terrific. This way they won't anger fans and game developers.
But it's just being hypocrites.

So i'm glad the gamebreaker guys are speaking their minds.
Be honest and give me your opinion.
Let's just keep in mind it's HIS opinion and don't whine.

 



 

 

Originally posted by afropuff420

That being said the only game I see to be really changing things up is Archeage. I think when Archeage finally makes it to the west (hopefully not years from now) that it will knock a lot of people off their feet. Most gamers haven't seen a system like Archeage or an MMO with that level of complexity. The irony here is that Archeage is more like a 3D version of Ultima Online as far as the mechanics go. Which would be amazing to see. I really think people need a game like this.

 



 
NO there are a lot of MMO with that level of complexity and even more. The point is that Archeage is a SANDBOX game (like Ultima, EVE, MO etc.) not a THEMEPARK like WoW, Tera, Rift, Swtor and Gw2.
And there is a reason why the sandbox games are niche and not very popular. It's not like they don't sound amazing... it's just that they are HUGE and i mean HUUUUUUGE timesink.
You have to invest too much time to have really fun in this kind of game so of course most of the people will just go in Themparks and have instant fun.
Archeage looks fun and i'm following his development but i'm 99% i won't play it (like the majority of this forum) because i don't have so much time for mmorpg (otherwise i would play EVE ONLINE right now)

 

I guess my question to you is.. Don't all MMOs require some level of time investment to be successful at them? I understand it is a sandbox, and to be honest I always thought that's what an MMO was supposed to be. A world where the players create the environment, and not world where the environment was created for you, and you go on rides. Then again I grew up on Ultima Online, and Asheron's call. In regards to a sandbox being a time sink.. well I personally wouldn't even play an MMO unless I was going to invest real time into it. Also, even though sandbox games exist - most of them have missed the mark imo. EvE is a really great game, but like someone said before - you need a degree from MIT just to play the game. Also, I couldn't really get into the space thing. It got really old really quick. All of the other sandboxes that I can think of right now are either developed by indie companies and are severly lacking, or are extremely old. I think Archeage will be a great renewal to the potential and fun of the true mmo. These themeparks are honestly what is killing the genre. I may stand alone with this opinion, but I want to play an MMO where I can help create the world, and not just ride the rides that other people made.

  otacu

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Posts: 552

4/12/12 5:15:52 AM#48
Originally posted by n3v3rriv3r
Originally posted by otacu

The article was not a review and he never claimed it

It was just his honest opinion

Big deal 

I don't get the whining about his opinion

Ok so I dont get your whining about my opinion. Big deal. It is just my "honest" opinion that they are relentlessly bashing the game... and I am getting tired of the "it is only an opinion" arguments, debates etc.

Because IT IS an opinion and it was NOT a review like you said at first. You are just throwing a fit about "OMG they are not liking the game i like! They must be wrong and haters!"

I'm lol'ing hard at how a simple opinion (or as you like to say "bashing") on the game is sparkling so much whining.

Do they HAVE TO say "oh yes we love it! it's just great, Tera is so innovative and new!" even thought they don't feel like that?

Hypochrisy 

The guy at gamebreaker tv  was honest to himself and i respect that. And i enjoy to read the drama and whining he created. :)

And i will still play Tera.

 

Originally posted by afropuff420
I guess my question to you is.. Don't all MMOs require some level of time investment to be successful at them? I understand it is a sandbox, and to be honest I always thought that's what an MMO was supposed to be. A world where the players create the environment, and not world where the environment was created for you, and you go on rides. Then again I grew up on Ultima Online, and Asheron's call. In regards to a sandbox being a time sink.. well I personally wouldn't even play an MMO unless I was going to invest real time into it. Also, even though sandbox games exist - most of them have missed the mark imo. EvE is a really great game, but like someone said before - you need a degree from MIT just to play the game. Also, I couldn't really get into the space thing. It got really old really quick. All of the other sandboxes that I can think of right now are either developed by indie companies and are severly lacking, or are extremely old. I think Archeage will be a great renewal to the potential and fun of the true mmo. These themeparks are honestly what is killing the genre. I may stand alone with this opinion, but I want to play an MMO where I can help create the world, and not just ride the rides that other people made.
 

Mmorpg are timesink.

It's just that sandbox mmorpg are WAY BIGGER timesink than themepark mmorg.

It's not about difficulty of the game: it's about the time to have fun. Why do you think battlegrounds are so popular? because instead of going around the world trying to find people to pvp with you can easily enter a battleground and have fast, dirty and simple fun for 30 minutes.

I don't have 8 hours a day to enjoy a sandpark. Like many others I can spend 1 hour at best and the themeparks like TERA are perfect for that.

That's why Archeage and the games like it while nice on paper will always be a niche. 

 

If you think the TRUE mmorpg are the sandboxes and the themeparks like TERA are cancer ... FINE that's your opinion. And everyone has different preferences.

  n3v3rriv3r

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Joined: 5/13/10
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OP  4/12/12 5:30:53 AM#49
Originally posted by otacu
Originally posted by n3v3rriv3r
Originally posted by otacu

The article was not a review and he never claimed it

It was just his honest opinion

Big deal 

I don't get the whining about his opinion

Ok so I dont get your whining about my opinion. Big deal. It is just my "honest" opinion that they are relentlessly bashing the game... and I am getting tired of the "it is only an opinion" arguments, debates etc.

Because IT IS an opinion and it was NOT a review like you said at first. You are just throwing a fit about "OMG they are not liking the game i like! They must be wrong and haters!"

I'm lol'ing hard at how a simple opinion (or as you like to say "bashing") on the game is sparkling so much whining.

Do they HAVE TO say "oh yes we love it! it's just great, Tera is so innovative and new!" even thought they don't feel like that?

Hypochrisy 

The guy at gamebreaker tv  was honest to himself and i respect that. And i enjoy to read the drama and whining he created. :)

And i will still play Tera.

Ha if you enjoy the drama you should dig out how the hating even started. Then we can have both a laugh or two. Until then your "honest to himself" argument it is amusing only to me.

  mcrippins

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4/12/12 5:56:33 AM#50
Originally posted by otacu
Originally posted by n3v3rriv3r
Originally posted by otacu

The article was not a review and he never claimed it

It was just his honest opinion

Big deal 

I don't get the whining about his opinion

Ok so I dont get your whining about my opinion. Big deal. It is just my "honest" opinion that they are relentlessly bashing the game... and I am getting tired of the "it is only an opinion" arguments, debates etc.

Because IT IS an opinion and it was NOT a review like you said at first. You are just throwing a fit about "OMG they are not liking the game i like! They must be wrong and haters!"

I'm lol'ing hard at how a simple opinion (or as you like to say "bashing") on the game is sparkling so much whining.

Do they HAVE TO say "oh yes we love it! it's just great, Tera is so innovative and new!" even thought they don't feel like that?

Hypochrisy 

The guy at gamebreaker tv  was honest to himself and i respect that. And i enjoy to read the drama and whining he created. :)

And i will still play Tera.

 

Originally posted by afropuff420
I guess my question to you is.. Don't all MMOs require some level of time investment to be successful at them? I understand it is a sandbox, and to be honest I always thought that's what an MMO was supposed to be. A world where the players create the environment, and not world where the environment was created for you, and you go on rides. Then again I grew up on Ultima Online, and Asheron's call. In regards to a sandbox being a time sink.. well I personally wouldn't even play an MMO unless I was going to invest real time into it. Also, even though sandbox games exist - most of them have missed the mark imo. EvE is a really great game, but like someone said before - you need a degree from MIT just to play the game. Also, I couldn't really get into the space thing. It got really old really quick. All of the other sandboxes that I can think of right now are either developed by indie companies and are severly lacking, or are extremely old. I think Archeage will be a great renewal to the potential and fun of the true mmo. These themeparks are honestly what is killing the genre. I may stand alone with this opinion, but I want to play an MMO where I can help create the world, and not just ride the rides that other people made.
 

Mmorpg are timesink.

It's just that sandbox mmorpg are WAY BIGGER timesink than themepark mmorg.

It's not about difficulty of the game: it's about the time to have fun. Why do you think battlegrounds are so popular? because instead of going around the world trying to find people to pvp with you can easily enter a battleground and have fast, dirty and simple fun for 30 minutes.

I don't have 8 hours a day to enjoy a sandpark. Like many others I can spend 1 hour at best and the themeparks like TERA are perfect for that.

That's why Archeage and the games like it while nice on paper will always be a niche. 

 

If you think the TRUE mmorpg are the sandboxes and the themeparks like TERA are cancer ... FINE that's your opinion. And everyone has different preferences.

I think that's a pretty dramatic way to put it. I just think the genre has lost its way. Somehow we went from an open world for players to do whatever they want with pretty much no limitation - to a massively linear gaming structure that takes very little challenge or effort. Don't get me wrong. I've been playing themeparks for years. There are some good things to them. Just think we went the wrong direction. I will also be playing TERA.

  DamonVile

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4/12/12 6:05:50 AM#51
Originally posted by afropuff420

I think that's a pretty dramatic way to put it. I just think the genre has lost its way. Somehow we went from an open world for players to do whatever they want with pretty much no limitation - to a massively linear gaming structure that takes very little challenge or effort. Don't get me wrong. I've been playing themeparks for years. There are some good things to them. Just think we went the wrong direction. I will also be playing TERA.

It isn't the developers that lead the games to this point, it's the people who pay for them that have. They pay for easy instant gratification and don't pay ( as much or often ) for games that only reward someones hard work. Games go in the direction of money not what would be a better game long term.

There's a saying about evolution and why we have two eyes and two ears but only one mouth. Clearly it didn't see the internet coming or it never would have given us ten fingers to type with.

  Pratt2112

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4/12/12 6:20:36 AM#52
Originally posted by n3v3rriv3r

Anyone knows what they have against TERA?. I just can't understand why all the hate.

Okay maybe it is not the best game but clearly it is not the worst. At this site they just take turns to defame it.

http://www.gamebreaker.tv/mmorpg/tera-fic-or-tera-ble/

 

The Gamebreaker guys are basically a group of your more ignorant forum-goers, doing the same thing, only on camera. For some reason, there are people who think something is somehow more legitimate if it's done on camera. It's not. It's still their opinion, and they're still just as capable of being full of it, or of themselves, as the case may be.

I've seen some of their other videos and it's almost impressive how much out of their way they go to bash something they don't like. For FFXIV, they ragged on it for things that had been addressed months before they recorded the video. I remember Phony talking about stuff that was true when he tried it, but had long since been resolved. Yet he ragged on it like it was still current.

It was pretty obvious not a single one of them had taken any time prior to making that episode to get up to speed on what changes had taken place and what the game was like at that time. Would have taken too much effort, I suppose. Guess, they were far more interested in bashing it in all their giddy ignorance.

Also, like typical forum-goers, when it comes to games they do like, they'll either ignore issues altogether, or make apologist rationalizations for them, even though they'd bash any other game with those same issues if they didn't like it.

I take everything they say with half a grain of salt, if even that much. They're not even half as clever as they seem to think they are, and the way they sit there and impress each other with how clever they can be about topics they clearly know nothing about makes them even less so.

 

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  AmbrosiaAmor

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4/12/12 6:26:40 AM#53
TERA! TERA! TERA!
 
I will be playing TERA Online. But if it follows the trend like most of the other AAA or hyped up P2P theme park MMORPG's (especially post 2005) where you have a mass exodus before the 6 month mark (usually), then chances are I will leave as well. I don't enjoy playing and paying for an MMORPG with a monthly subscription if it feels (most of the time) like a single player game.
 
The last time NA folks embraced a Korean MMORPG was Lineage II (long term) and that came out in 2004. Time will tell.
 
 
 

  Beastn

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4/12/12 6:58:34 AM#54

His biggest complaint it seems is that this game follows the same “formula” as WoW, Rift, and LOTRO, and that its “Selling point” is its action combat… That he admits he’s “Not very good at”. So of course he isn't going to like it. Well Flame me all you want (I’m pretty sure this is my first post) but I like the “WoW” formula, and the action combat intrigues me. I have not had a chance to play it yet but I’m in the April 20-23 Beta so I’m giving it a shot. I’m enjoying Rift atm, but I’m open to new games. Heck I even Pre Purchased GW2 yesterday.

  Naqaj

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4/12/12 7:04:45 AM#55

So many people here who completely missed the point of the article. Here's a hint, the headline is misleading, it's not just about Tera. 

Replace Tera with the title of pretty much any MMO that came out in the last 6 years, and you might get the idea.

  n3v3rriv3r

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OP  4/12/12 7:53:41 AM#56
Originally posted by Naqaj

So many people here who completely missed the point of the article. Here's a hint, the headline is misleading, it's not just about Tera. 

Replace Tera with the title of pretty much any MMO that came out in the last 6 years, and you might get the idea.

Yep ... only... it is about a specific game.

I agree with you completely and this is indirectly why I created this thread.

  Nadya3

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4/12/12 7:55:58 AM#57
Originally posted by Beastn

His biggest complaint it seems is that this game follows the same “formula” as WoW, Rift, and LOTRO, and that its “Selling point” is its action combat… That he admits he’s “Not very good at”. So of course he isn't going to like it. Well Flame me all you want (I’m pretty sure this is my first post) but I like the “WoW” formula, and the action combat intrigues me. I have not had a chance to play it yet but I’m in the April 20-23 Beta so I’m giving it a shot. I’m enjoying Rift atm, but I’m open to new games. Heck I even Pre Purchased GW2 yesterday.

i like the wow formula as well. 

  Yamota

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4/12/12 7:58:40 AM#58
Originally posted by n3v3rriv3r

Anyone knows what they have against TERA?. I just can't understand why all the hate.

Okay maybe it is not the best game but clearly it is not the worst. At this site they just take turns to defame it.

http://www.gamebreaker.tv/mmorpg/tera-fic-or-tera-ble/

 

He expressed his views in a clear and thoughtful matter exactly why he does not like TERA. If you dont understand it I would say it is more an issue you have rather than the author.

It does not mean that you have to not like TERA but I dont think that is what the article says either.

  Voiidiin

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4/12/12 7:59:28 AM#59

Hmm i for one think its better to have reviewers state how they feel about a game and not be wishy washy because they fear offending a publisher/developer. 

While i do not have any kind of grudge against TERA, i do believe in what the guys at Gamebreaker have said about it and will not be purchasing it because of it.

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  BigBadWolfe

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4/12/12 8:20:00 AM#60
People keep saying that Gamebreaker has a right to their opinions about a game. But that's not true. Gamebreaker is a major site of MMO information, so they need to do their jobs and stick to the FACTS. Opinions are for forums, not paid journalists.

I'm sorry that they don't like Tera but the main broadcaster admitted himself he didn't play the game past the starter zone. Also they were accusing Tera of missing features like voice acting which is false. There is at least 4 fully animated, voice acted cutscenes between level 1-11 that they completely ignored.

The only thing game breaker did right was that they openly admitted they barely invested any time in the game past the first couple of hours, and so their "professional journalist analysis" of the game is null any void to anybody with common sense.
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