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  Valua

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Posts: 521

 
OP  4/11/12 5:03:54 PM#301
Originally posted by Lucrecia

OP posts single player games (ME3, Skyrim, AC) as examples of reasonably priced games.  OP fails (or ignores) to state the fact that GW2 will have server costs due to it being an online game.  OP also inaccurately report the costs of Skyrim CE ($150) as being cheaper than GW2 CE ($150 [Gamestop]) though the two are incomparable since one is offline, the other online, though the CE's are priced the same.  OP fails again in promoting Bioware's generosity in a fashion that makes it sound unlikely that Arenanet will not offer a similiar grace period.  The cost increase from a single player game to a massivly multiplayer game with server costs should be obvious but somehow was not so for OP.

OP does not understand the MMORPG industry and should therefor be restricted from ever opening a discussion on the matter until they do some research and critical thinking.

 

I compared GW2 to single player games just as comparisons of what I would pay for a game in general. Single player games (like the ones I mentioned) also have a much bigger budget than GW2 and don't have cash shops, so yes if any of them should be charged higher is should be single player games not GW2.

 

Onto your second point sever charges, which will not only be paid for by the massive digital sales for easily a year until the first expansion but also they have a cash shop, which will make very close to a normal MMO montly subscription, mark my words. So again your point is invalid. 

 

Next I never once compared the collectors edition, maybe you should re-read my post, I was only talking about the digital version and the digital deluxe, I agree that the CE is average price for a CE, but the other two editions are not.

 

ArenaNet has also already confirmed that Pre-Purchases get 3 day head start, pre-orders get one day, fact. Therefore ArenaNet is NOT offering the same grace period as BioWare, again fact. Your point is again invalid.

 

Again with the server costs, which will EASILY be recouperated for the year with box sales and then profit with cash shop. Point invalid again.

 

So my point is, I do understand the MMO industry, clearly more so than you. I state facts, you state assumptions made on my part not by me. 

 

Such an irrelevent troll post.

  FezVizzini

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Joined: 3/26/12
Posts: 25

4/11/12 6:55:54 PM#302
Originally posted by Yamota
Originally posted by FezVizzini
Originally posted by anwar

I wouldn't mind the $60 if there wasn't a cash shop...I simply don't trust them...the pressure to maintain income usually causes the whole game to eventually center around the shop.

You don't trust them to do what ? Sell stuff in a CS that has no effect on anyones gameplay other than to cause them to run crying to their mother cos they don't have it ?

Wah wah mommy - that person has a better sword than me - he is "winning"

Jeez, grow up and play the game for fun instead of thinking that you have to be "better" than other players.

If you want to play just for fun and dont care about compeeting with other gamers then why would you play a competetive e-sport type of game like GW 2?

The fact is that GW2 is being promoted as a PvP e-sport type of game and such games are highly sensetive to cashshop and P2Win.

1) Being promoted as a PvP e-sport ? What planet are you on - total rubbish.

2) Even if 1) was true it is NOT P2Win and nothing in the CS is going to help you in PvP (everyone is lovl 80 and has same gear). It might have a very small influence (via buffs) in WvW (but nobody really knows for sure).

Yet another misinformed post regarding P2W and CS.

And, BTW, apart from PvP rankings (see point 2) what exactly are you competing against other players. Most titles, fancy gear ? LOL

  xKingdomx

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4/11/12 7:19:15 PM#303
Originally posted by Valua
Originally posted by xKingdomx

Your assumption is that you will HAVE to use the cash shop every day, every month, and it will cripple you and sell your kidneys

By the time you play this game for 4 months, it will already be forever cheaper than any subscription game you have played before, assuming you only get the normal version.

 

Do you know why others view you as a troll? This price has been up for weeks, yet you decided to come 'rant' about the prices on the they pre-purchase goes online. Yes, troll indeed.

 

I never made any assumption that I would be forced to use the cash shop every day, you made that assumption on my part, don't please, all I was saying is that is has a cash shop. 

 

What if I only play the game for 1 month before I'm severely dissapointed with it? Then I have wasted a massive sum of money, more than I have wasted on any game ever. So please don't make assumptions that people will play for months, many won't, it's an MMO it will never keep all of its players after one month. 

 

Also I'm a troll for not knowing about the price until now? I'm a troll because I don't follow every bit of news about this game every day of my life? I'm starting to think you are actually the troll. 

 

You need to stop making assumptions in general in your life I think, will get you nowhere.

Ok I'll stop assuming start stating facts with numbers then, and stop trolling you.

Current standard MMO price

  • TERA stanard Edition: USD$49.99
  • SWTOR Standard Edition: USD$44 (going off CD key sites which are cheaper than Origin)
  • The Secret World (without any packages): USD$49.99 (only 3 character slots, although with that game one for each faction seems enough alts, with no classes) (cash shop)
  • WOW (to start now): USD$19.99, to fully upgrade USD$117.96 (which is everyone is at)
  • RIFT (lowest I have seen now): USD$29.99, but it certainly has gone lower before because I bought my digital collection edition for USD$27
NOTE: I notice you use EU prices, so maybe it is more expensive there, I'm not sure if you can buy from NA sites, but considering I'm from Australia, I buy all my games online from US sites because Australia is retarded with its pricing, $89 for a generic pc game off the shelf. $99-$109 for console. And thats in AUD 
 
 
So it wasn't 4 month, I was being generous with that number because I was considering you might like RIFT as well.
 
Any current P2P MMO other than RIFT you play beyond the first month will already be more expensive than GW2 box price in total. You can earn cash shop currency in game.
 
As much as anyone want to, no one makes decisions without bias and assumption, it is how human brain is wired to think. We think with relative assumption, if I tell you someone plays tennis, you will assume he has a tennis racquet to begin with, which he might not. By asking you if Turkey's population is above 35 million, you initial guess of Turkey's population will be anchored by my input of 35 million.
 
Lastly, you said what if you stop playing after 1 month. I guess this is just how MMO population thinks now, they don't think any good games will ever come out. Do you go join the Gym membership and the first question you ask is how to cancel it? By asking this question, you are assuming the worst, wait, I thought you shouldn't assume?
 
I'm viewing the game from an optimistic pov, and you are looking at the game from a pessimistic pov. Is it wrong, it isn't. But if you are going to play ANY MMO spending every month how terrible the game is and you might quit within the next 30 days, I suggest you to take a break from every MMO. Sometimes it isn't the game's fault, but your own. No game is perfect, but we play the ones that we can tolerate its negatives. And from my opinion, I can tolerate GW2's negatives. Having even just as a backup game in between other sub games, where you can just go on any time you want and play without worries of a sub, is a pretty good deal to me considering all press has been positive about it.
 
My honest suggestion will be, don't buy the game now, wait for 2 months, watch the reviews, maybe the price will go down, then see if you want to play the game. And hopefully, you wish you had joined the community sooner after trying it. 
 
I guess ultimately, not everyone is going to like the game, I hope you get the game you want eventually.
 
 
PS: its funny how downplayed Secret World's cash shop is, I mean everyone is jumping on GW2 being B2P with CS, no one is gunning TSW for sub with CS. 
 

How much WoW could a WoWhater hate, if a WoWhater could hate WoW?
As much WoW as a WoWhater would, if a WoWhater could hate WoW.

  Asheram

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Joined: 3/24/10
Posts: 1870

What happens when you get 5 stars do you get a cookie? ;)

4/11/12 7:38:37 PM#304
Originally posted by Valua
Such an irrelevent troll post.

SWTOR's SE was $59.99 if I chose to buy it,as is BF3, MW3, TES v Skyrim etc. and so on, so was the cost of GW2' SE- $59.99 when I chose to buy it.

Tera and TSW both have sub fees as does Warcraft so I really fail to see your point, beyond being mad at Arenanets price in your region as if they are just trying to charge "you" more.I think this has already been explained in several other threads on this site. 

  ComfyChair

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Joined: 7/22/10
Posts: 766

4/11/12 7:57:42 PM#305

It seems expensive in the UK, but that's only because, for some reason, publishers take VAT on the chin normally when they set games prices. Gw2 hasn't done that, so it's basically $60 + VAT as you would otherwise expect.

  Quesa

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Joined: 6/16/04
Posts: 1265

4/11/12 8:03:05 PM#306

IMO game prices have stayed low for far to long because players bitch and moan like no tomorrow when it happens in trade for DLC's which were ok until the last year or so when game companies try to make up the loss of a price increase.

I don't even think game prices have increased at the same rate as inflation over the last decade.

  ComfyChair

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Joined: 7/22/10
Posts: 766

4/11/12 8:06:12 PM#307
Originally posted by Quesa

IMO game prices have stayed low for far to long because players bitch and moan like no tomorrow when it happens in trade for DLC's which were ok until the last year or so when game companies try to make up the loss of a price increase.

I don't even think game prices have increased at the same rate as inflation over the last decade.

They haven't increased at all since the early 90's, since which inflation has made everything else cost twice as much (remember walkers crisps being 25p? they're now 60p from most places!). If games followed inflation, we'd be paying £70-80 for each game.

Thankfully gaming grew so that the low prices were offset :)

Also, GW2 will have had a massive development budget. Salaries, voice overs, tech ect. will mean the game will be looking at $100m at least.

  Kalfer

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Joined: 3/09/11
Posts: 791

4/11/12 8:19:03 PM#308
Originally posted by Valua
Originally posted by Lucrecia

OP posts single player games (ME3, Skyrim, AC) as examples of reasonably priced games.  OP fails (or ignores) to state the fact that GW2 will have server costs due to it being an online game.  OP also inaccurately report the costs of Skyrim CE ($150) as being cheaper than GW2 CE ($150 [Gamestop]) though the two are incomparable since one is offline, the other online, though the CE's are priced the same.  OP fails again in promoting Bioware's generosity in a fashion that makes it sound unlikely that Arenanet will not offer a similiar grace period.  The cost increase from a single player game to a massivly multiplayer game with server costs should be obvious but somehow was not so for OP.

OP does not understand the MMORPG industry and should therefor be restricted from ever opening a discussion on the matter until they do some research and critical thinking.

 

I compared GW2 to single player games just as comparisons of what I would pay for a game in general. Single player games (like the ones I mentioned) also have a much bigger budget than GW2 and don't have cash shops, so yes if any of them should be charged higher is should be single player games not GW2.

 

Onto your second point sever charges, which will not only be paid for by the massive digital sales for easily a year until the first expansion but also they have a cash shop, which will make very close to a normal MMO montly subscription, mark my words. So again your point is invalid. 

 

Next I never once compared the collectors edition, maybe you should re-read my post, I was only talking about the digital version and the digital deluxe, I agree that the CE is average price for a CE, but the other two editions are not.

 

ArenaNet has also already confirmed that Pre-Purchases get 3 day head start, pre-orders get one day, fact. Therefore ArenaNet is NOT offering the same grace period as BioWare, again fact. Your point is again invalid.

 

Again with the server costs, which will EASILY be recouperated for the year with box sales and then profit with cash shop. Point invalid again.

 

So my point is, I do understand the MMO industry, clearly more so than you. I state facts, you state assumptions made on my part not by me. 

 

Such an irrelevent troll post.

 

What is the budget for GW2 over it's 5 years development? I want you to make a treatment that also takes marketing costs and daily upkeep costs from the servers, into account, as well as the costs of running the betas, the forums, the customer support, the server techs, the in-game 24/7 gms and admins and so on. Since these people are not getting a monthly income from the players it will be interesting to see. 

 

 

Clearly the answer is that you don't know what you are talking about. It's sad and depressing that in 2012 people are still whining about higher prices in the EU. Can't you just shut up, or move to the US if you want it to be so much more fair? the region locking is in their, not by choice, but by law. Steam has to do a similiar thing. It's illegal for customers to buy goods over the internet and bypass the extra taxes that are added on all products sold in the European Union. That's just how it is. But we have several goods and benefits that they dont have in the US. That's partly due to these extra costs we have. We have a higher cost of living on products, foods and clothes. Just the way it is. 

 

 

 

  ComfyChair

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4/11/12 9:13:18 PM#309

^ Basically, in the UK we pay more on everything so when we get a severe illness we're actually cured. Or when someone commits a crime they actually get caught. The little things :)

  asianbboy101

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4/11/12 9:44:26 PM#310

u can get it at gamefly 39.99.

use this coupon "GFSPRING11" and get 10% off or use it on another game such as D3

  Vaultar

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4/11/12 9:57:07 PM#311
Oh please... Why are threads like these still alive...sigh..

You get a fully fledged mmorpg game for the price of the box with no sub fees.

The press has been wowed by the amount of content you get for the price of the box and it really isn't hard to see why. Whether it is structured pvp, WvW, open world pve or personal storyline, any of these aspects ALONE is pretty much worth the price of the box. Instead, we get the whole lot.

So OP please save your pitiful irrational whining for yourself.

Looking forward to EQL and EQN.

  Arcona

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4/11/12 10:00:38 PM#312

here in Denmark its 550 from Arenanet store, 540 from a physical store.

I prefer to sponsor Arenanet directly, plus fewer problems with the post delivery etc :)

  feroshus

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4/11/12 10:04:23 PM#313

I think the game is fairly priced, would 10 dollars or euros or w/e off really make that much difference? Not a chance, but this thread isn't really about the money anyways, it's about the hate!

  Monorojo

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4/11/12 10:58:53 PM#314

I honestly would not pay $10 for this game at this point.

 

Correction, not even a single cent.

 

We have seen an incredibly limited amount of the content and people here have already proudly spent $150 on the game. That is completely and utterly absurd. The beta was full of what was polished by Anet, and they let the testers play those areas due to the positive feed back in closed beta of those areas. In other areas, they closed off the content to all media beta testers completely. Yet people still want to claim that the beta experiences are enough to warrant paying anything for this unfinished product.

 

It is really disturbing and I think that people with this mindset are what is killing the current MMO market.

  Darkcrystal

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4/11/12 11:48:22 PM#315

Really?? So since the game is free, how much do  you think they should charge and still be able to make a profit???

 

I mean cmon.... If you don't like the price don't buy it, the game has standard pricing....

  Corehaven

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I swear by my pretty floral bonnet, I will end you.

4/11/12 11:55:38 PM#316
Originally posted by Monorojo

I honestly would not pay $10 for this game at this point.

 

Correction, not even a single cent.

 

We have seen an incredibly limited amount of the content and people here have already proudly spent $150 on the game. That is completely and utterly absurd. The beta was full of what was polished by Anet, and they let the testers play those areas due to the positive feed back in closed beta of those areas. In other areas, they closed off the content to all media beta testers completely. Yet people still want to claim that the beta experiences are enough to warrant paying anything for this unfinished product.

 

It is really disturbing and I think that people with this mindset are what is killing the current MMO market.

 

What the.....

 

Compared to WHAT?   What other mmorpg has been this open and visible before release and especially before a release date even set?  Youtube is just filled with gobs of game play.  The transparency with this game is best Ive seen with any mmorpg Ive ever followed. 

 

And no they aren't going to show the entire game before release.  Or if they did, that would certainly be the first time thats been done.  With any game.  Ever.  Know when you'll start seeing the entire game?  After its released and even then you wont unless you play it in its entirity. 

 

Look if you dont want to play it thats fine and well, but your reasoning for not doing so is as shoddy as a 15 year old termite ridden wooden plank.  And no not everyone bought the expensive CE. 

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4/11/12 11:58:37 PM#317
Originally posted by Corehaven
Originally posted by Monorojo

I honestly would not pay $10 for this game at this point.

 

Correction, not even a single cent.

 

We have seen an incredibly limited amount of the content and people here have already proudly spent $150 on the game. That is completely and utterly absurd. The beta was full of what was polished by Anet, and they let the testers play those areas due to the positive feed back in closed beta of those areas. In other areas, they closed off the content to all media beta testers completely. Yet people still want to claim that the beta experiences are enough to warrant paying anything for this unfinished product.

 

It is really disturbing and I think that people with this mindset are what is killing the current MMO market.

 

What the.....

 

Compared to WHAT?   What other mmorpg has been this open and visible before release and especially before a release date even set?  Youtube is just filled with gobs of game play.  The transparency with this game is best Ive seen with any mmorpg Ive ever followed. 

 

And no they aren't going to show the entire game before release.  Or if they did, that would certainly be the first time thats been done.  With any game.  Ever.  Know when you'll start seeing the entire game?  After its released and even then you wont unless you play it in its entirity. 

 

Look if you dont want to play it thats fine and well, but your reasoning for not doing so is as shoddy as a 15 year old termite ridden wooden plank.  And no not everyone bought the expensive CE. 

AA, B&S, Tera,  hell any eastern game for that matter because they don't have any NDA during all aspects of gameplay & progression during all the beta stages. 

 

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4/12/12 12:06:18 AM#318
Originally posted by stayontarget
Originally posted by Corehaven

What the.....

Compared to WHAT?   What other mmorpg has been this open and visible before release and especially before a release date even set?  Youtube is just filled with gobs of game play.  The transparency with this game is best Ive seen with any mmorpg Ive ever followed. 

And no they aren't going to show the entire game before release.  Or if they did, that would certainly be the first time thats been done.  With any game.  Ever.  Know when you'll start seeing the entire game?  After its released and even then you wont unless you play it in its entirity. 

Look if you dont want to play it thats fine and well, but your reasoning for not doing so is as shoddy as a 15 year old termite ridden wooden plank.  And no not everyone bought the expensive CE. 

AA, B&S, Tera,  hell any eastern game for that matter because they don't have any NDA.

Really. You're telling me that If I google AA, B&S, or Tera I can find videos showing off every piece of content to each of those games? Cause I certainly haven't seen anywhere near that.

Gotta agree w/ Corehaven on this one. If the guy is serious & not trolling, then I really have to question his intelligence. Again, this game doesn't have a release date yet. It's still in beta. Name one game that has not had an NDA ever, because that is what's being said. Closed Beta is called that for a reason, it always has had an NDA applied to it, and it probably always will.

Why? For a number of reasons: They don't want their content getting copied before the game even launches. They don't want people to know what happens in the entirety of the game. They don't want people freaking out about features that are still works in progress & are going to change anyway. Etc.

I never thought I would be defending someone's use of an NDA, but this whinning is just getting obsurd to epic proportions. I don't think I've ever seen people complain about such stupid crap, and expect so much, from any other game I can think of. This game may set some kind of record for being targetted by the most warrantless bickering & flaming.

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4/12/12 1:02:41 AM#319
Originally posted by aesperus
Originally posted by stayontarget
Originally posted by Corehaven

What the.....

Compared to WHAT?   What other mmorpg has been this open and visible before release and especially before a release date even set?  Youtube is just filled with gobs of game play.  The transparency with this game is best Ive seen with any mmorpg Ive ever followed. 

And no they aren't going to show the entire game before release.  Or if they did, that would certainly be the first time thats been done.  With any game.  Ever.  Know when you'll start seeing the entire game?  After its released and even then you wont unless you play it in its entirity. 

Look if you dont want to play it thats fine and well, but your reasoning for not doing so is as shoddy as a 15 year old termite ridden wooden plank.  And no not everyone bought the expensive CE. 

AA, B&S, Tera,  hell any eastern game for that matter because they don't have any NDA.

Really. You're telling me that If I google AA, B&S, or Tera I can find videos showing off every piece of content to each of those games? Cause I certainly haven't seen anywhere near that.

Yes, easily.

 

Anet is hiding a LOT behind NDA and there is always a reason that companies do this...Mythic did it with Warhammer Online and Funcom did it with Conan......they are NDAing what they don't want us to see and beta previewing what they do. It is a really simple concept. People are just so oblivious to it.

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4/12/12 1:05:54 AM#320
Originally posted by Monorojo
Originally posted by aesperus
Originally posted by stayontarget
Originally posted by Corehaven

What the.....

Compared to WHAT?   What other mmorpg has been this open and visible before release and especially before a release date even set?  Youtube is just filled with gobs of game play.  The transparency with this game is best Ive seen with any mmorpg Ive ever followed. 

And no they aren't going to show the entire game before release.  Or if they did, that would certainly be the first time thats been done.  With any game.  Ever.  Know when you'll start seeing the entire game?  After its released and even then you wont unless you play it in its entirity. 

Look if you dont want to play it thats fine and well, but your reasoning for not doing so is as shoddy as a 15 year old termite ridden wooden plank.  And no not everyone bought the expensive CE. 

AA, B&S, Tera,  hell any eastern game for that matter because they don't have any NDA.

Really. You're telling me that If I google AA, B&S, or Tera I can find videos showing off every piece of content to each of those games? Cause I certainly haven't seen anywhere near that.

Yes, easily.

 

Anet is hiding a LOT behind NDA and there is always a reason that companies do this...Mythic did it with Warhammer Online and Funcom did it with Conan......they are NDAing what they don't want us to see and beta previewing what they do. It is a really simple concept. People are just so oblivious to it.

Since clearly you are extremely informed. What exactly is Anet hiding behind the NDA.

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