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  wrightstuf

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4/11/12 10:20:40 PM#41
Originally posted by Saxx0n

I get it ...swtor was a sandal!

  eddieg50

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4/11/12 10:23:52 PM#42

YAWN!   I dont even comment anymore I just laugh, well back to playing SWTOR

  Skuz

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4/11/12 10:27:31 PM#43

Not the greatest success because it failed the hardcore raiders quite badly on launch - it may catch up over time if they are aggressive about content creation.

Not the biggest failure either, while it has it's issues it still remains one of the most polished & smooth launches yet so far in the genre.

I think it got pushed out the door too early as is typical of anything EA gets involved with, I am expecting TSW to have teething trouble for exactly the same reasons.

So yeah, F*** you EA!

  Tardcore

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4/11/12 10:30:07 PM#44
Originally posted by Torgrim

For me SWTOR is not even a MMO it's so many instances and to much solo, and still it's labled as a MMORPG.

So as a MMORPG it fail really badly, as a SIngleplayer game with a monthly sub it fails even more if they took out the monthly sub like GW i would rate it much better,, I really dont like milking cows.

Really not happy with how SWTOR turned out. Seeing some of the rookie mistakes they pulled with this new patch isn't helping to improve my outlook on their game, except to further cement my relief at not having bought it.

That said, I say it is still a bit early to tell exactly how this game came out financially. Let's have this discussion again around Septembre.

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  Saxx0n

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4/11/12 10:32:51 PM#45
Originally posted by wrightstuf
Originally posted by Saxx0n

I get it ...swtor was a sandal!

No, it.s new high lvl raid drop

  Eir_S

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4/11/12 10:34:11 PM#46

It wasn't the biggest in neither a positive nor negative way.  It was what most people expected..... average.

  Valmarill

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4/11/12 10:41:38 PM#47

Most of these answers are highly subjective opinions. The game had a succesful launch. Does that make it a succesful game? many people i know still play it even though I left after a couple of months. 

I personally, was hoping for more. Aside from feeling like I was in a very small sandbox, I felt like I had to do things in order and was essentially locked into a one way ticket. I didn't care for the taxi rides over vast areas that I could never explore in Coruscant and I was not a fan of 4 person maximum teams and poor cosmetics. Since then they have addressed cosmetics and have improved a few things. (My list is a lot longer but I won't bore everyone with it since i have posted this stuff in other threads)

I may try it again in a year or two, it generally takes time for designers to address things. It's one reason I always go back to LoTRO, because it's a complete game and they continually work to improve it. 

So, essentially SWToR is both a success and a failure. This is just my opinion though. 

  Theocritus

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4/11/12 10:42:09 PM#48

     I dont see how it can be called a flop....SWTOR has over 1.7 million subs (and thats not with the padded asian numbers like alot of other games)......IT may not be what some people wanted it to be, but I'd say its a success to this point anyway.

  Gruug

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4/11/12 10:48:28 PM#49
Originally posted by Tardcore
Originally posted by Torgrim

For me SWTOR is not even a MMO it's so many instances and to much solo, and still it's labled as a MMORPG.

So as a MMORPG it fail really badly, as a SIngleplayer game with a monthly sub it fails even more if they took out the monthly sub like GW i would rate it much better,, I really dont like milking cows.

Really not happy with how SWTOR turned out. Seeing some of the rookie mistakes they pulled with this new patch isn't helping to improve my outlook on their game, except to further cement my relief at not having bought it.

That said, I say it is still a bit early to tell exactly how this game came out financially. Let's have this discussion again around Septembre.

 

Then how would you know at which you are speaking. Seems you have to have a little first hand experience before you can make any of those statements. Too many people make or state opinion out of opinion only without experience to back it up (or facts for that matter).

In my case, I have played early beta onward. I think that SWTOR is headed in the right direction. Patch 1.2 is not the patch to end all patches but it brings a lot of GOOD to the game. Examples (and just a few listed), Unified gear coloring; Legacy; major UI improvements; new Flashpoints...Ops (raids) and dailies; new gear; new graphics;and much more.

Let's party like it is 1863!

  NeoZcar2

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4/11/12 10:53:57 PM#50
  I dont see how it can be called a flop....SWTOR has over 1.7 million subs (and thats not with the padded asian numbers like alot of other games)......IT may not be what some people wanted it to be, but I'd say its a success to this point anyway.

Wrong. It had 1.7 million box sales. By the end of January less then 800k had renewed after the first free month. Currently most servers are nearly empty, and the game is hemmoraging subs. If EA/Bioware does release current subscription numbers at any time in the near future I would be completely suprised if they were over 500k. The massive blunder with the rollout of 1.2 rated warzones is only gonna cost them even more subs with little real evidence 1.2 will bring back any significant numbers. You gotta remember past evidence has shown the PVP community is far larger then the Raiding community industry wide.

  Bardus

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4/11/12 10:56:20 PM#51
Originally posted by Theocritus

     I dont see how it can be called a flop....SWTOR has over 1.7 million subs (and thats not with the padded asian numbers like alot of other games)......IT may not be what some people wanted it to be, but I'd say its a success to this point anyway.

So your saying it has 100% retention rate since the 1st month? Think your a little behind.

  Lumm

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4/11/12 10:59:27 PM#52

Its more of a flop than the greatest success in gaming. Its not the worst but certainly not the best. Id play it as a sinlge player game but sadly single player games aint worth the $60 price tag either.  It will have its star wars fan base and stay that way until they fade away. Just leave it at that.

  Tardcore

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4/11/12 11:01:05 PM#53
Originally posted by Gruug
Originally posted by Tardcore
Originally posted by Torgrim

For me SWTOR is not even a MMO it's so many instances and to much solo, and still it's labled as a MMORPG.

So as a MMORPG it fail really badly, as a SIngleplayer game with a monthly sub it fails even more if they took out the monthly sub like GW i would rate it much better,, I really dont like milking cows.

Really not happy with how SWTOR turned out. Seeing some of the rookie mistakes they pulled with this new patch isn't helping to improve my outlook on their game, except to further cement my relief at not having bought it.

That said, I say it is still a bit early to tell exactly how this game came out financially. Let's have this discussion again around Septembre.

 

Then how would you know at which you are speaking. Seems you have to have a little first hand experience before you can make any of those statements. Too many people make or state opinion out of opinion only without experience to back it up (or facts for that matter).

In my case, I have played early beta onward. I think that SWTOR is headed in the right direction. Patch 1.2 is not the patch to end all patches but it brings a lot of GOOD to the game. Examples (and just a few listed), Unified gear coloring; Legacy; major UI improvements; new Flashpoints...Ops (raids) and dailies; new gear; new graphics;and much more.

Just because I didn't buy it, does not mean I did not play it. Played my flatmates copy quite exstensively. Played all classes to at least level ten to see which I liked and played smuggler (saw bones) Marauder (carnage) to the high 30s when my friend abandonded the game with a month of credit left on the account. Plus since we have a LAN room set up in the house I got to watch the rest of them play the game quite a lot at 50, and messed about with endgame when afrementioned friend gave up the game. So please don't try and tell me what I do and don't know before you start making accusations. It just makes you look a reactionary ass.

I'm glad you like the game. Personaly however I think it was badly botched and nothing from interviews to patches they've put out makes me think they have the talent to pull this game out of the freefall they put it in.

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  Zippy

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4/11/12 11:32:18 PM#54

Acording to Tor Status there  are only 14 moderately populated US servers left along with 2 Euro moderately populated servers.  This is after BW twiceadjusted the server status to make it appear more were playing.   If you check it every day you can see the game is bleeding subscribers by a very large amount.  I doubt there is even 500k left playing.  They may have more subs but many subs that have quit the game before their sub expires.  Maybe as low as 300k still playing. Server merges would help a ton and bring life to anumber of empty servers.  If they do not do merges soon at the current rate of  bleeding  all servers will be empty in a few months except 4 or 5.

It is a flop but I don't think it should be regarded as a huge flop.  There have been much worse games made.  Maybe none that cost this much to make. Well no game has been even close to ToR's development costs.  But there are some positives.  Selling 2 million boxes is quite a feat.  But normally a developer only gets 25% of the sale from retailers but because a large portion was direct online sales they would get a larger portion.  But still nowhere near to cover their investment. Finacially it is a disaster.  but for MMO gamers what was really lost here was potential.  With this much money being invested we really should have gotten a game for the ages.  In regards to ToRs reputation It seems to be on the road now to being regarded by most as a failure and its servers will likely be desterted quite quickly.  Although with SW name it can redeem itself and get a second chance like EQ2 did after a poor release. But it will be very hard for it to  ever gain a positive rep in the MMO community.

 

  Twisted77

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4/11/12 11:35:57 PM#55
NPV negative, without a doubt (aka destroyed shareholder value).
  Darkcrystal

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4/11/12 11:38:35 PM#56

FYI, WOW you can solo just as much if not more, so if SWTOR is not an MMO, then neither is any other MMo, you people make me laugh....

 

 

 

 

The issue is to many gamers whine when games do not release fast enough and when they are not done they whine even more... This game did not do as good as some hoped but its still new and it did better then WOW did as released , WOW had a very laggy release, and the only reason it got so many subs was there was not many other good games and there was a nice generation of gamers that just came in, we can't see to get away from thet EQ, WOW forumla because of that generation the only way that will happen is kids need to stop whing and start thinking and stop asking for DEVS to add more  hand holding in games and add less.....

 

 

The Secret World I hope to proves that we needed something different a themepark Sandbox mix, I bet most people who like WOW, won't touch it because they will have to think a bit in TSW...   I have tested and played the game and played many games in the past 35 plus years and I can already see the whining, when TSW releases, and Tera, and GW2.............

 

People on this forum love to bash every game that come out on the market and destroy every game no matter if its good or not.... Gamers today really need to start making there own games and then come talk to the devs...Oh wait that means they would have to think...

 

 

Nevermind!

 

I love to see you do any end game by your self or flash points, WOW you could do everything solo, besides end game.. and instances, so please get your facts straight before you try and troll..

 

 

 

FAIL

  SuperXero89

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4/11/12 11:48:56 PM#57

I doubt it will pan out to be a huge success or a major failure.  Unless BioWare makes some major improvements, I see this game being only a modest success, bosting about the same number of subscribers as Rift by this time next year.

  PyrateLV

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4/11/12 11:49:40 PM#58

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  Dolmong

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4/11/12 11:54:49 PM#59

GREATEST SUCCESS !!

no doubt about it !!!

However, not yet PERFECT ....... will be in the future !!! :D

  karmath

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4/12/12 12:42:19 AM#60
Originally posted by Dolmong

GREATEST SUCCESS !!

no doubt about it !!!

However, not yet PERFECT ....... will be in the future !!! :D

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