Originally posted by just1opinion

Originally posted by Zekiah

Originally posted by just1opinion

Originally posted by Meowhead

Originally posted by Zekiah

You guys are completely missing the point.

When you buy food, cars, houses etc., you're paying for something that's going to be COMPLETE when delievered. You don't buy houses that come with missing windows or cars with missing seats on a PROMISE that they'll show up later.

This really isn't difficult to grasp here. 

Uh, yeah, actually you do buy houses with the promise they'll be complete when delivered.  Or cars.

Have you never paid to have a house built, or have a car custom made for you?  :(  (I've had the latter, though not the former, though I know plenty of people who have)

People pay ahead of time for things in construction all the time. :T 

 

You buy things before they're finished all the time. He (the guy you responded to) apparently isn't familiar with this, but it's a fact nonetheless. I'm really sick of these threads chastising (spelling?) other adults on how and WHEN they spend their money. If someone doesn't want to pre-purchase then don't, but don't waste your time lecturing other adults on what you think THEY should do. Most of us couldn't care less what you think. (That's not to YOU, Meow.) I realize the thread wasn't started negatively, but any GW2 thread BECOMES negative these days. It's ridiculous.

When you purchase a car, house, or a meal at a restaurant, it comes COMPLETE. It doesn't come with missing doors, seats etc.

Lol.

 

You've never had the privilege of buying anything NEW, have you? You order cars BEFORE they are built, same with houses. You are essentially paying for them BEFORE they are complete. Are you having trouble understanding this?

When you take delivery of said car or house, is it missing doors or windows? Yes or no?

Lol.

Originally posted by Zekiah

When you take delivery of said car or house, is it missing doors or windows? Yes or no?

Lol.

WHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Complete website dedicate to recalls: http://www.theaa.com/allaboutcars/recalls/index.jsp

Plenty of those out there. So yes clearly even those product my be defect of faulty...yes or no? Also plenty of houses have defect when handed to the owner often the house is not even finished when the owner recieved it. Admitingly there is normally a fine involved in these cases. 

Originally posted by Zekiah

Originally posted by just1opinion

Originally posted by Zekiah

Originally posted by just1opinion

Originally posted by Meowhead

Originally posted by Zekiah

You guys are completely missing the point.

When you buy food, cars, houses etc., you're paying for something that's going to be COMPLETE when delievered. You don't buy houses that come with missing windows or cars with missing seats on a PROMISE that they'll show up later.

This really isn't difficult to grasp here. 

Uh, yeah, actually you do buy houses with the promise they'll be complete when delivered.  Or cars.

Have you never paid to have a house built, or have a car custom made for you?  :(  (I've had the latter, though not the former, though I know plenty of people who have)

People pay ahead of time for things in construction all the time. :T 

 

You buy things before they're finished all the time. He (the guy you responded to) apparently isn't familiar with this, but it's a fact nonetheless. I'm really sick of these threads chastising (spelling?) other adults on how and WHEN they spend their money. If someone doesn't want to pre-purchase then don't, but don't waste your time lecturing other adults on what you think THEY should do. Most of us couldn't care less what you think. (That's not to YOU, Meow.) I realize the thread wasn't started negatively, but any GW2 thread BECOMES negative these days. It's ridiculous.

When you purchase a car, house, or a meal at a restaurant, it comes COMPLETE. It doesn't come with missing doors, seats etc.

Lol.

 

You've never had the privilege of buying anything NEW, have you? You order cars BEFORE they are built, same with houses. You are essentially paying for them BEFORE they are complete. Are you having trouble understanding this?

When you take delivery of said car or house, is it missing doors or windows? Yes or no?

Lol.

No, but 9 out of 10 times it's being financed. WoW wasn't finished years ago and I pre-purchased. It's not a huge deal. 

Originally posted by Meowhead

Originally posted by Zekiah

Originally posted by Meowhead

Originally posted by Zekiah

That is correct, they are COMPLETE and not missing parts. Most MMOs that people pay for these days are not COMPLETE and are missing systems, items etc.

Hello?

... I'm sorry, i didnt' realize a big pit dug in the ground was a complete house.

I guess we just have different standards. :)

When you get delivery of said house, is it missing windows, doors etc.? Yes or no?

Actually, there's an article in the locker room at work, from the local newspaper, where one of my supervisors spent a LOT of money for a big hole in the ground that was supposed to be a backyard swimming pool.

So yes.  Sometimes you do get an incomplete house.  :D

For a slightly less traumatic viewpoint, sometimes you get a meal catered,and it turns out to suck.  Or sometimes you build a house, but can't afford to finish the whole thing in the end, and the rest goes in an addition at a time.  Like time to put the porch in later!

... or you end up doing repairs for various things that weren't quite perfect, or didn't turn out the way you really wanted after all (Actually, you know, these windows need to be replaced, this kind really isn't insulated well....)

It's not like houses are magically guaranteed to be exactly how you  wanted them. :(

Sounds like he has grounds for a lawsuit, yes?

And once again, the quality of the food isn't the point, what we're talking about is COMPLETION. When you order from a restaurant they give you ALL the food at once, regardless of taste.

But whatever, can't believe this is even being argued.

Everything is fine folks, all MMOs come complete with all systems and items in tact. Nothing to see here, move along...

Lol.

Originally posted by Zekiah

Originally posted by just1opinion

Originally posted by Zekiah

Originally posted by just1opinion

Originally posted by Meowhead

Originally posted by Zekiah

You guys are completely missing the point.

When you buy food, cars, houses etc., you're paying for something that's going to be COMPLETE when delievered. You don't buy houses that come with missing windows or cars with missing seats on a PROMISE that they'll show up later.

This really isn't difficult to grasp here. 

Uh, yeah, actually you do buy houses with the promise they'll be complete when delivered.  Or cars.

Have you never paid to have a house built, or have a car custom made for you?  :(  (I've had the latter, though not the former, though I know plenty of people who have)

People pay ahead of time for things in construction all the time. :T 

 

You buy things before they're finished all the time. He (the guy you responded to) apparently isn't familiar with this, but it's a fact nonetheless. I'm really sick of these threads chastising (spelling?) other adults on how and WHEN they spend their money. If someone doesn't want to pre-purchase then don't, but don't waste your time lecturing other adults on what you think THEY should do. Most of us couldn't care less what you think. (That's not to YOU, Meow.) I realize the thread wasn't started negatively, but any GW2 thread BECOMES negative these days. It's ridiculous.

When you purchase a car, house, or a meal at a restaurant, it comes COMPLETE. It doesn't come with missing doors, seats etc.

Lol.

 

You've never had the privilege of buying anything NEW, have you? You order cars BEFORE they are built, same with houses. You are essentially paying for them BEFORE they are complete. Are you having trouble understanding this?

When you take delivery of said car or house, is it missing doors or windows? Yes or no?

Lol.

Originally posted by OldManFunk

Originally posted by Beezerbeez

Either way, I'll be in the game with you, but I'll have made a few dollars in interest off of that $60 by then -- maybe a bit more to spend in the cash shop than you :)

 

If I find GW2 to be anything less than the second coming of christ i'll be the first to start a thread and let everyone know. ;) There's no reason to purchase the game ahead of time unless you want guaranteed play time during the beta weekends... but I do so there I am. :P

I'll probably be hating myself when you're all playing beta and I'm not :D

Maybe I'll pre-purchase at some interval later on, if they still offer that.

Originally posted by Cromica

Originally posted by Abdar

Originally posted by silvermember

Originally posted by Abdar

Asking people to pre order a game still under a heavy NDA is wrong. I mean ultimiately people will make their own call, but this has SWToR written all over it. 

Wish I could say more..

Nobody really cares what you have to say.

The people that pre purchase did so knowing full well what they were getting themselves into. Nobody that pre purchase is a child most of htem are adults and they do so knowing full well what they are risking.

Also, a better analogy would be putting a down payment on a car(used) or house(not new). You might have a basic idea of how the house or car is, but you wont until a few weeks later. 

I said people will make their own call and that's fine. Their money. 

To further your analogy, do you buy a car before test driving it? Do you buy one based on select information when you know there's a lot that's still hidden from you? I sure wouldn't. Now we are only talking about a game here so less money of course, but the point is the same.

Either way, I'm still sticking to my guns and think it's wrong to ask people to buy your product when you are deliberately holding information back on it as well as not letting others share their thoughts on it.

 

 

So every game you have ever bought you have fully tested everything in it before doing so? That kinda seems impossible to me.  

The concept we're talking about here is preordering a game that the company doesn't want information to get out about it yet. Doesn't that sound SWToR like to anyone here? Do you not think there is a reason perhaps they are doing that? I mean hey, by all means it's your money, knock yourself out. I'm just saying that I think its sketchy.

You might see where I was coming from to here if I was allowed to say I've been in beta for a while now, and defend my position a bit better, but I can't do that, which I think is very convienient for ArenaNet, and not so much for people they want to preorder their game. Ah well.. carry on.

Originally posted by BadSpock
No, they don't come complete. They never do, because they are never complete. If they were ever complete, they wouldn't be a MMORPG. Are you new to this genre? 

I disagree with this point of view. A MMORPG can be finished and if they fail they have been to ambitous or unrealistic. You can set goal and simply finish them and you can do that with a MMORPG as well. If you decide to add other feature fine, but you could finish the initial product with the features you promised/planned. 

Clearly some smaller bug could be expected, but nothing game breaking.

and yes to the car anologe I say again, even those have problem to point where a recall is needed because of risk. Houses can have bad plumming, leaking roofs and what not of it might even collapse. 

Better to buy an unfinished game which is better polished than any other mmo at release and they will still work on it than to buy an unfinished game which will never be in good polished state... *swtor comes to mind* (I'm still pissed off for buying that junk)

Originally posted by Coman

Originally posted by BadSpock
No, they don't come complete. They never do, because they are never complete. If they were ever complete, they wouldn't be a MMORPG. Are you new to this genre? 

I disagree with this point of view. A MMORPG can be finished and if they fail they have been to ambitous or unrealistic. You can set goal and simply finish them and you can do that with a MMORPG as well. If you decide to add other feature fine, but you could finish the initial product with the features you promised/planned. 

Clearly some smaller bug could be expected, but nothing game breaking.

People buy tickets to concerts or sporting events in advance all the time.  There is no way to guarantee they will have a good experience at these events.  It may rain, snow or hail... it may be over 100 degrees at an outdoor venue... some jerk may pick a fight with you... the concert or sporting event may not even take place, as they can be called off for various reasons.  

As far as I am concerned, prepurchasing GW2 is equivalent to buying "tickets" that will let me play when it is available.

Originally posted by BadSpock
I've learned it is impossible to "win" against this kind of "logic." I too purchased an unfinished game. I am confident that the money I spent was well spent. If it turns out to not be money well spent, that will suck. But oh well, that is life. I'd rather take a risk and get burned then never try anything new or never allow myself to be excited about something just because it MIGHT not be all I thought it was. Reality wants you to come back, seriously.

 Yes, it is like buying anything, if you wait 3-6 months, something newer, better or cheaper will be out...  I fall victim to this, i make good money, but I am frugal, and I probably read multiple reviews too much and sometimes maybe overthink things...

I am currently thinking of getting a new phone, as the one I have can connect to the internet, but its grandfathered in and I don't have to have a data plan for it...So thinking of changing it up, and spending the money...So I wonder if it will be worth it, and if I am going to do it, I want to get something very nice...So I have been waiting since the beginning of the year for the right deal/phone...Once one drops, a new one that is more shiney is in its place, and I go in circles lol.....People at work joke around about me being cheap...

Sometimes you just gotta do it....No product is ever complete/perfect... Maybe now that I 'wasted' money on 2 copies of GW2, I will go get that phone this week!

Originally posted by KingGator
Nothing to see here, just fanboi being fanboi...................... If upon release, and 3 months after, there is no p2w in that cash shop I'll consider buying it.

You scared me there. For a second I just saw ........ and I thought that you wouldn't use the word P2W but then it came!

I'm so happy everything is as it should be post after post after post. Oh crap I think I managed to accidently hit the block button

Originally posted by grimal
I still don't quite understand what the point of this thread is for. Doesn't it go without saying that you typically make purchases for products you are fairly confident in?

True, but some say that its wrong to have faith in Arenanet, because all devs are liars.

Originally posted by Abdar

Originally posted by silvermember

Originally posted by Abdar

Originally posted by silvermember

Originally posted by Abdar

Asking people to pre order a game still under a heavy NDA is wrong. I mean ultimiately people will make their own call, but this has SWToR written all over it. 

Wish I could say more..

Nobody really cares what you have to say.

The people that pre purchase did so knowing full well what they were getting themselves into. Nobody that pre purchase is a child most of htem are adults and they do so knowing full well what they are risking.

Also, a better analogy would be putting a down payment on a car(used) or house(not new). You might have a basic idea of how the house or car is, but you wont until a few weeks later. 

I said people will make their own call and that's fine. Their money. 

To further your analogy, do you buy a car before test driving it? Do you buy one based on select information when you know there's a lot that's still hidden from you? I sure wouldn't. Now we are only talking about a game here so less money of course, but the point is the same.

Either way, I'm still sticking to my guns and think it's wrong to ask people to buy your product when you are deliberately holding information back on it as well as not letting others share their thoughts on it.

 

 

When you buy a car used, what guarantee do you have that it wont break down in the middle of the road? the answer is you really don't have one. You might look at carfax for a hint, but there is no guarantee the car will still be running. Test driving doesnt always show problems until an extended amount of time.

It's good to stick to your gun, that why we have something called freewill. Whether its right or wrong its not really your concern or YOUR business, the people that  pre purchase clearly don't mind doing it. They all did so knowing full well whatever happens, happens. I think people like you need to stop worrying about what ADULTS with freewill DO with their money and just worry about yourself.

LOL what's wrong with you man. I didn't say anything anywhere where I was putting people down. I was putting the company down. I said people can do what they want.. it's their money. You work for ArenaNet or something?

 NO I don't work for Arenanet.

ALL I am saying is pretty much it not your place to decide how Arenanet decides to conduct their business and reward their fan loyalty. I am pretty much telling you, if you have an issue with the pre purchase don't worry about it, the people part taking it are not worried about it. AND nobody is forcing them to part take in the whole show and  your feelings about the pre purchase are yours and yours alone and you shouldn't concern yourself with anybody but yourself.

Originally posted by KingGator
Nothing to see here, just fanboi being fanboi...................... If upon release, and 3 months after, there is no p2w in that cash shop I'll consider buying it.

ignorance is strong with this one