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4/11/12 10:46:12 AM#21
Originally posted by BadSpockOriginally posted by olepiOriginally posted by BadSpockOriginally posted by olepiOriginally posted by BadSpock What? Where do you live that you have to pay before you get your food? I have never done that. You live where restaurants charge before they start cooking? Where is that? :P Every sit-down restaurant that I have been in, around the world, always serves you the food, and THEN gives you the check. The only other business that I can think of that charges you before delivering a product is the airlines. Making an order is making a commitment to paying. That is why it is called a refund. Refusing to pay if what you ordered is crap is the same thing - unless you've already eaten then meal. The difference, then, is that the restaurant actually collects money after you have ordered, and eaten the meal. The pre-purchase game company gets your money NOW, and you can then ask for it back if you don't like the product. No restaurant will refuse to give you food until AFTER you have paid for it. Not a good analogy. I will accept that if you were going to buy anyway, it can make sense to buy early to get some benefits. Based on your assessment of the risks involved and the benefits to be gained. ------------ |
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4/11/12 10:46:58 AM#22
Originally posted by BadSpock This isn't exactly true, at this junction there's still a lot of information held under the blanket of an NDA. At launch this will no longer be the case, well.. actually.. in a few weeks it will no longer be the case. While you still have nothing but available information, there's no information that can be held back.All of the cards have been laid out on the table. For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson If you can't argue the point don't say anything at all. |
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4/11/12 10:47:53 AM#23
That was a really good point. I have friends who have "pre purchased" Diablo 3 via WOW's annual pass. Not only did they just spend $150 on an unfinished game but a game which will require them to pay monthly subs.
The fact that Blizzard can sell a game in development through the monthly subs of another of their games and still make a profit speaks volumes. The myth that monthly subs are a requirement for companies to create quality games is busted!
Blizzard and Bioware are (have been) in effect gauging their player base.
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4/11/12 10:48:36 AM#24
Originally posted by DistopiaOriginally posted by BadSpock And a restaurant won't tell you the recipe for their secret sauce :) MMO History: |
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Kyleran
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4/11/12 10:49:20 AM#25
I pre-ordered Tera despite it being an unfinished game over a year after it's initial launch. (and that was before they announced adding a new DF tool at NA launch)
Why? Because I enjoy the features it currently has and figure the rest will take care of themselves eventually. "What gamers want ... is new game play patterns different from what they've experienced before" - Axehilt |
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Zekiah
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4/11/12 10:49:29 AM#26
Originally posted by BadSpock Because we're not saying the same thing Spock. You don't buy a Happy Meal from McDonald's knowing that they're going to get you your fries next week. Geez... "Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky |
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4/11/12 10:52:51 AM#27
It seems to me that the beta sign-up was done to gauge real interest in the game as it had been described to that point. It also seems to me that the two press beta weekends were done in a way to get real information about the game to the public so they would have plenty of understanding about whether or not they were going to be interested in buying/playing GW2 as it has been currently described by all the available information.
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Furthermore, IMO, the full pre-purchase is Arenanet's way assessing the real-world soundness of the confidence they have in their game model and design philosophy, and possibly getting NCSoft off of their back as far as pressure for release. I think the idea that they pre-sold between 100k and 250k copies so far is very realistic. That means between 6 and 15 (or more) million in income right now, and a demonstration of deep fan support for the current model, all working to give Anet the big thumbs-up on the new model, on their design philosophy, on the standard they are setting for the industry.
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This is one of the reasons I pre-purchased. I'm probably not going to be doing much playing of the beta, if any, but I want Anet to know I'm 100% behind their game mechanics and design philosophy as it is now, and I don't want them to be pressured by financial concerns to a premature release or a drastic change in game philosophy.
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4/11/12 10:54:18 AM#28
Originally posted by Zekiah Maybe the two of you can agree that this is simply a really bad analogy.
Keep in mind that these BWEs are more for stress testing and balance testing than anything. Of course, should any bugs that have slipped through the cracks show up they'll take care of them, but they're not intending this to be a bug test. Oderint, dum metuant. |
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4/11/12 10:55:06 AM#29
Originally posted by ZekiahOriginally posted by BadSpock Maybe we're stretching the metaphor too far... When you order happy meal you know what you are getting in the box but you have no idea if it is going to taste good or not. If it doesn't taste good, you have them fix it or you get a refund. MMO History: |
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4/11/12 10:56:16 AM#30
Asking people to pre order a game still under a heavy NDA is wrong. I mean ultimiately people will make their own call, but this has SWToR written all over it. Wish I could say more.. |
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4/11/12 10:57:59 AM#31
But GW2 isn't under a heavy NDA...
and 99% of MMOs are under NDA when the pre-order opens. This is "business as usual" in the MMO world.
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Zekiah
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4/11/12 10:58:43 AM#32
Originally posted by BadSpock And once again, the point is completely evading you. We're not talking about taste here Spock, we're talking about a (in)complete product. You don't pay for food knowing you're not going to get it all. You don't pay for a car on a promise they're going to get you the seats next week. You don't buy a new house on a promise they're going to get you your bathrooms next month. They're selling, and you're paying for, an incomplete product. This really isn't difficult to understand Spock, it's done all the time in the gaming inudstry. I've done it, you're doing it, and we've ALL done it. C'mon already, I know you like the game but at least be honest here. "Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky |
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4/11/12 10:58:45 AM#33
Originally posted by Abdar The NDA is in effect for the prior beta, the BWE's will not be under NDA. Oderint, dum metuant. |
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4/11/12 10:59:29 AM#34
mmo topics with analogies should be cause for instant topic lock. It doesn't matter if you think your analogy is good or not, people are just going to argue back and forth how something isn't analogous, and it doesn't even matter because the very fact that it's analogous means you are likely comparing apples and oranges, and how someone deals with a car, or fast food, or whatever, does not mean that those standards should apply to how we treat an MMO.
"well bob, I bought fries the other day and it only cost me a dollar, therefore this mmo pricing structure sucks!"
It's so tiresome, just make it stop. (btw, um this editor is removing all my formatting)
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4/11/12 11:00:21 AM#35
I've never tried to argue that point Zek - all MMOs are unfinished when you buy them.
Kind of been true for over a decade.
Once again, GW2 pre-order is "business as usual" in the MMO genre.
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4/11/12 11:00:33 AM#36
Actually some people do buy unfinished food. It's called Community Supported Agriculture (CSA), you pay a subscription to a local organic farmer who once a week shares with you some of the harvest. People who do this don't know exactly what they will get.
If you support any of the game kickstarter campaigns then you are essentially pre-purchasing the games. I'm supporting four.
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4/11/12 11:01:10 AM#37
Originally posted by OldManFunk I fully understand and respect your reasons for prepurchasing. I am of the opposite opinion. The cash shop is quite a sticking point for me, and I dont want to purchase the game until we have full disclosure on what will be in it. I also dont want to prepurchase the game without seeing some proper balanced reviews of it from real players, or playing the beta for myself. If this was a Preorder then I may have done differently as you can easily cancel a preorder if down the road you dont like what you see. Cluck Cluck, Gibber Gibber, My Old Mans A Mushroom |
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4/11/12 11:02:35 AM#38
Originally posted by Abdar Nobody really cares what you have to say. The people that pre purchase did so knowing full well what they were getting themselves into. Nobody that pre purchase is a child most of htem are adults and they do so knowing full well what they are risking. Also, a better analogy would be putting a down payment on a car(used) or house(not new). You might have a basic idea of how the house or car is, but you wont until a few weeks later. |
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4/11/12 11:03:18 AM#39
There is a rather big difference between a pre-order and a pre-purchase. Its easy to cancel a pre-order...
In this case the game is not finished, there is NDA and we dont know the release date.
I would be very careful regardless how good I hoped and believed the game would be.
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4/11/12 11:03:59 AM#40
Originally posted by silvermemberOriginally posted by Abdar Exactly. Point I've been trying to make all along. Food analogy got a little off track lol my bad. MMO History: |
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