Originally posted by PieRad

If you are agaisnt P2W, then you were never their target anyway, they got your money already before the shop is done, before NDA is lifted, even before a release date, since there will be no revenue from sub, you won't be paying anymore.

 

After the box you have no value to them, only the cash shoppers will be of interest to Anet, and those who love cash shop won't complain when they add a even more obvious P2W scheme, right now their hiding it behind gems, that doesn't make it any less P2W.

 

There is a very good reason why they haven't finished the shop yet, they want your money before you know what's gonna be in the shop, because those who dislike 'advantage for money', wouldn't have bothered buying the box if they knew what was gonna be in it.

 

This way they get money from both sides.

 

 

 

 

 

Hmm... not worried.

To all those saying..."i do with my money what i want".....plz dont come crying next month on how this game is P2Win ok.

The first one to come crying will be the pvp crowd for not being able to afford better gear......so get ready to be slayed by the rich kid on the block.

lolzor

Originally posted by Ceridith

Originally posted by BadSpock

Originally posted by Ceridith

I just want to be able to discuss MMOs without wading through endless fanboyism and moaning about games that failed to live up to people's over-inflated expectations.

And many of us want to be able to discuss MMOs without wading through endless haterism and moaning about games that other people are excited about while being told how stupid we are for enjoying something different.

Who's telling you that you're stupid for enjoying something different?

The only thing I see in this thread is the implication that pre-purchasing a game that is still under NDA and yet to be finalized, as being a very foolish thing to do.

The true irony of your statement is that a lot of the things being labeled as hatred, are nothing more than legitimate concerns or criticism by people actually trying to discuss the game.

Your statement to me read as a general statement about the nature of these forums, not specific to this thread.

My response was the same, a general statement about the nature of these forums, not specific to this thread.

Specific to this thread, it is only a foolish thing to do if you don't have faith/belief/justification for why you feel confident in pre-purchasing a game that is still under NDA and yet to be finalized.

In a larger sense, yes it is ALWAYS foolish to pre-order/purchase anything site unseen, but this is the way MMO games have worked for a decade.

It's a roll of the dice, pre-order/purchase and get special perks but you are taking a chance the game won't live up to what you/we think it will be.

Wait and see, but then you don't get the special perks for pre-order/purchase.

MMO 101 - logical and obvious.

Originally posted by oubers

To all those saying..."i do with my money what i want".....plz dont come crying next month on how this game is P2Win ok.

The first one to come crying will be the pvp crowd for not being able to afford better gear......so get ready to be slayed by the rich kid on the block.

lolzor

 

Since there really is no "better gear" I don't think anyone is going to be crying about that...

Originally posted by BadSpock

Originally posted by Ceridith

Originally posted by BadSpock

Originally posted by Ceridith

I just want to be able to discuss MMOs without wading through endless fanboyism and moaning about games that failed to live up to people's over-inflated expectations.

And many of us want to be able to discuss MMOs without wading through endless haterism and moaning about games that other people are excited about while being told how stupid we are for enjoying something different.

Who's telling you that you're stupid for enjoying something different?

The only thing I see in this thread is the implication that pre-purchasing a game that is still under NDA and yet to be finalized, as being a very foolish thing to do.

The true irony of your statement is that a lot of the things being labeled as hatred, are nothing more than legitimate concerns or criticism by people actually trying to discuss the game.

Your statement to me read as a general statement about the nature of these forums, not specific to this thread.

My response was the same, a general statement about the nature of these forums, not specific to this thread.

Specific to this thread, it is only a foolish thing to do if you don't have faith/belief/justification for why you feel confident in pre-purchasing a game that is still under NDA and yet to be finalized.

In a larger sense, yes it is ALWAYS foolish to pre-order/purchase anything site unseen, but this is the way MMO games have worked for a decade.

It's a roll of the dice, pre-order/purchase and get special perks but you are taking a chance the game won't live up to what you/we think it will be.

Wait and see, but then you don't get the special perks for pre-order/purchase.

MMO 101 - logical and obvious.

I dont see the difference between buying now and buying at release.  there will be more people playing it but more then likley it will be the same content that we have seen hundreds of hours on.

Originally posted by oubers

To all those saying..."i do with my money what i want".....plz dont come crying next month on how this game is P2Win ok.

The first one to come crying will be the pvp crowd for not being able to afford better gear......so get ready to be slayed by the rich kid on the block.

lolzor

 

i think you need to read more

gear dont effect pvp that much like in other games

and you cant buy skill :)

Originally posted by st4t1ck

Originally posted by BadSpock

In a larger sense, yes it is ALWAYS foolish to pre-order/purchase anything site unseen, but this is the way MMO games have worked for a decade.

It's a roll of the dice, pre-order/purchase and get special perks but you are taking a chance the game won't live up to what you/we think it will be.

Wait and see, but then you don't get the special perks for pre-order/purchase.

MMO 101 - logical and obvious.

I dont see the difference between buying now and buying at release.  there will be more people playing it but more then likley it will be the same content that we have seen hundreds of hours on.

It's the whole "early adopters" versus everyone else and risk of lighthouse customers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffusion_of_innovations

Originally posted by Ceridith

Originally posted by BadSpock

Originally posted by Ceridith

I just want to be able to discuss MMOs without wading through endless fanboyism and moaning about games that failed to live up to people's over-inflated expectations.

And many of us want to be able to discuss MMOs without wading through endless haterism and moaning about games that other people are excited about while being told how stupid we are for enjoying something different.

Who's telling you that you're stupid for enjoying something different?

The only thing I see in this thread is the implication that pre-purchasing a game that is still under NDA and yet to be finalized, as being a very foolish thing to do.

The true irony of your statement is that a lot of the things being labeled as hatred, are nothing more than legitimate concerns or criticism by people actually trying to discuss the game.

I agree, the hate posts are annoying, but the best solution is to read the OP and if it's obvious that it's a troll post, just ignore it.Too bad that there are always fanatics that keep on going and going. But like Ceridith said, a lot of posts/threads get the "hate" stamp, while the poster/OP tries to bring up his/her concern or criticism with the game. Which should be possible and encouraged. Only hate is annoying, but the same goes for only praise. No game is perfect.

Originally posted by BadSpock

Originally posted by oubers

To all those saying..."i do with my money what i want".....plz dont come crying next month on how this game is P2Win ok.

The first one to come crying will be the pvp crowd for not being able to afford better gear......so get ready to be slayed by the rich kid on the block.

lolzor

 

Since there really is no "better gear" I don't think anyone is going to be crying about that...

We will see about that when the game goes live and the shops open spock.

Items with stats will be be in the shops soon enough.....then maybe we can talk again?

As for me, i mad my decision not to buy it.......i realy hate in game shops.

Dont get me wrong, i dont hate GW2 but i (personally) feel a bit f**** by them (first there was not going to be any shop....then only cosmetics......now its just about anything).

It does not have to fail for me......i hope that you shop lovers (i mean this in a nice way) realy enjoy the game tough....but i will be playing other games.

Originally posted by oubers

Originally posted by BadSpock

Originally posted by oubers

To all those saying..."i do with my money what i want".....plz dont come crying next month on how this game is P2Win ok.

The first one to come crying will be the pvp crowd for not being able to afford better gear......so get ready to be slayed by the rich kid on the block.

Since there really is no "better gear" I don't think anyone is going to be crying about that...

We will see about that when the game goes live and the shops open spock.

Items with stats will be be in the shops soon enough.....then maybe we can talk again?

As for me, i mad my decision not to buy it.......i realy hate in game shops.

Dont get me wrong, i dont hate GW2 but i (personally) feel a bit f**** by them (first there was not going to be any shop....then only cosmetics......now its just about anything).

It does not have to fail for me......i hope that you shop lovers (i mean this in a nice way) realy enjoy the game tough....but i will be playing other games.

This isn't World of Warcraft. Stats/gear work differently.

Originally posted by st4t1ck

Originally posted by BadSpock

Originally posted by Ceridith

Originally posted by BadSpock

Originally posted by Ceridith

I just want to be able to discuss MMOs without wading through endless fanboyism and moaning about games that failed to live up to people's over-inflated expectations.

And many of us want to be able to discuss MMOs without wading through endless haterism and moaning about games that other people are excited about while being told how stupid we are for enjoying something different.

Who's telling you that you're stupid for enjoying something different?

The only thing I see in this thread is the implication that pre-purchasing a game that is still under NDA and yet to be finalized, as being a very foolish thing to do.

The true irony of your statement is that a lot of the things being labeled as hatred, are nothing more than legitimate concerns or criticism by people actually trying to discuss the game.

Your statement to me read as a general statement about the nature of these forums, not specific to this thread.

My response was the same, a general statement about the nature of these forums, not specific to this thread.

Specific to this thread, it is only a foolish thing to do if you don't have faith/belief/justification for why you feel confident in pre-purchasing a game that is still under NDA and yet to be finalized.

In a larger sense, yes it is ALWAYS foolish to pre-order/purchase anything site unseen, but this is the way MMO games have worked for a decade.

It's a roll of the dice, pre-order/purchase and get special perks but you are taking a chance the game won't live up to what you/we think it will be.

Wait and see, but then you don't get the special perks for pre-order/purchase.

MMO 101 - logical and obvious.

I dont see the difference between buying now and buying at release.  there will be more people playing it but more then likley it will be the same content that we have seen hundreds of hours on.

Difference is that there will be information available from a public beta, which will make you able to do a far more informed decision regarding the purchase of the game.

please guys !keep everything in persepective!forget the gamer!imagine there were no gamer here in this thread(yes i know its hard just picture it!)there are no gamer yet game x receive ton pf threat hate mail etc etc etc!who gain by doing this?go ask that to politician!they suffer from this daily by the same industry!it is called the lobby industry!

their role?to put doubt in the mind !not just gaming but they mostly started in politic!but they are everywhere ,there is big money to make! and sadly lobbying industry in gaming will only grow since gaming grow!they might not be able to touch wow ,because the momentum effect is in full swing but they sure can try with other newer like lol or other!

Originally posted by BadSpock

Originally posted by oubers

Originally posted by BadSpock

Originally posted by oubers

To all those saying..."i do with my money what i want".....plz dont come crying next month on how this game is P2Win ok.

The first one to come crying will be the pvp crowd for not being able to afford better gear......so get ready to be slayed by the rich kid on the block.

Since there really is no "better gear" I don't think anyone is going to be crying about that...

We will see about that when the game goes live and the shops open spock.

Items with stats will be be in the shops soon enough.....then maybe we can talk again?

As for me, i mad my decision not to buy it.......i realy hate in game shops.

Dont get me wrong, i dont hate GW2 but i (personally) feel a bit f**** by them (first there was not going to be any shop....then only cosmetics......now its just about anything).

It does not have to fail for me......i hope that you shop lovers (i mean this in a nice way) realy enjoy the game tough....but i will be playing other games.

This isn't World of Warcraft. Stats/gear work differently.

i have been following this game for a while......so i know......still i think stats will matter no matter what they say......maybe i am wrong, maybe not.

Let's wait untill the game is out and evaluate it after the first month of pvp huh?

Like i stated b4....we will see...nothing more or less.

Originally posted by TwoThreeFour

Originally posted by st4t1ck

Originally posted by BadSpock

Originally posted by Ceridith

Originally posted by BadSpock

Originally posted by Ceridith

I just want to be able to discuss MMOs without wading through endless fanboyism and moaning about games that failed to live up to people's over-inflated expectations.

And many of us want to be able to discuss MMOs without wading through endless haterism and moaning about games that other people are excited about while being told how stupid we are for enjoying something different.

Who's telling you that you're stupid for enjoying something different?

The only thing I see in this thread is the implication that pre-purchasing a game that is still under NDA and yet to be finalized, as being a very foolish thing to do.

The true irony of your statement is that a lot of the things being labeled as hatred, are nothing more than legitimate concerns or criticism by people actually trying to discuss the game.

Your statement to me read as a general statement about the nature of these forums, not specific to this thread.

My response was the same, a general statement about the nature of these forums, not specific to this thread.

Specific to this thread, it is only a foolish thing to do if you don't have faith/belief/justification for why you feel confident in pre-purchasing a game that is still under NDA and yet to be finalized.

In a larger sense, yes it is ALWAYS foolish to pre-order/purchase anything site unseen, but this is the way MMO games have worked for a decade.

It's a roll of the dice, pre-order/purchase and get special perks but you are taking a chance the game won't live up to what you/we think it will be.

Wait and see, but then you don't get the special perks for pre-order/purchase.

MMO 101 - logical and obvious.

I dont see the difference between buying now and buying at release.  there will be more people playing it but more then likley it will be the same content that we have seen hundreds of hours on.

Difference is that there will be information available from a public beta, which will make you able to do a far more informed decision regarding the purchase of the game.

except there's not going to be an open beta, so tough luck i guess. on the other hand, there will be tons of information coming out of the next beta. there wouldn't be nearly as much info if some of us didn't prepurchase, so instead of thinking of as idiots, think of us as explorers, daring to tread unseen ground so you don't have to.

Originally posted by BadSpock

This isn't World of Warcraft. Stats/gear work differently.

Originally posted by TwoThreeFour

Originally posted by st4t1ck

Originally posted by BadSpock

Originally posted by Ceridith

Originally posted by BadSpock

Originally posted by Ceridith

I just want to be able to discuss MMOs without wading through endless fanboyism and moaning about games that failed to live up to people's over-inflated expectations.

And many of us want to be able to discuss MMOs without wading through endless haterism and moaning about games that other people are excited about while being told how stupid we are for enjoying something different.

Who's telling you that you're stupid for enjoying something different?

The only thing I see in this thread is the implication that pre-purchasing a game that is still under NDA and yet to be finalized, as being a very foolish thing to do.

The true irony of your statement is that a lot of the things being labeled as hatred, are nothing more than legitimate concerns or criticism by people actually trying to discuss the game.

Your statement to me read as a general statement about the nature of these forums, not specific to this thread.

My response was the same, a general statement about the nature of these forums, not specific to this thread.

Specific to this thread, it is only a foolish thing to do if you don't have faith/belief/justification for why you feel confident in pre-purchasing a game that is still under NDA and yet to be finalized.

In a larger sense, yes it is ALWAYS foolish to pre-order/purchase anything site unseen, but this is the way MMO games have worked for a decade.

It's a roll of the dice, pre-order/purchase and get special perks but you are taking a chance the game won't live up to what you/we think it will be.

Wait and see, but then you don't get the special perks for pre-order/purchase.

MMO 101 - logical and obvious.

I dont see the difference between buying now and buying at release.  there will be more people playing it but more then likley it will be the same content that we have seen hundreds of hours on.

Difference is that there will be information available from a public beta, which will make you able to do a far more informed decision regarding the purchase of the game.

There wouldnt be a public beta if no one pre-purchased. so you will get your information only from the people this thread calls "foolish".  and the info you get will be the same you got from the press betas more then likly with maybe a little more. i dont see them opening all there game for the beta at all.  need to keep some secrets

Originally posted by Ceridith

Originally posted by BadSpock

This isn't World of Warcraft. Stats/gear work differently.

 

Are you absolutely certain of this? How do you know that this is the case, because of how GW1 was? I'm only asking this because I have heard conflicting information.

They have said multiple times in multiple ways that when you join the conquest (instanced) PvP you are giving a full set of gear, are boosted to max level, and have all your skills and trait points unlocked. There are no gear upgrades for PvP beyond what you get from the start.

PvE of course there are gear upgrades, but the system is "flat" at the top level - you won't be chasing the carrot of new/better gear/stats as you would in other games like World of Warcraft. The carrot you are chasing is achievements and cosmetic sets in PvE.

In instanced PvP it's more like a FPS that is tracks wins/loses etc. and there are tournaments all the time.

In the W v W PvP the carrot you are chasing is server pride/guild pride as you are trying to make a name for yourself/ your guild/ your server through victory.

Originally posted by st4t1ck

There wouldnt be a public beta if no one pre-purchased. so you will get your information only from the people this thread calls "foolish".  and the info you get will be the same you got from the press betas more then likly with maybe a little more. i dont see them opening all there game for the beta at all.  need to keep some secrets

False. There is no relationship between an open BETA and pre-purchase. On top of that, all beta weekends are void of the NDA from this point forward.

Why am I even responding to you? You are spouting insanity.

pvp never had full pvp skill so i doubt it will be different in gw2!you had a handed down max pvp armor that is it if you wanted certain elite skill you had to go discover them ,only skill avail were the one you had priorly discovered in pve or baught in the ncsoft or arenanet shop!it is a good system!it will probably be similar this time around!

regular pvp should be pretty similar to what gw1 user have been raving for years about when gw1 was at the top of its game!

wvwvw is a big ? nobody know how this will turn out to be!LAG WILL BE THE MAIN PLAYER HERE!it literally will decide the fate of wvwvw!if arenanet didnt cut corner they shouldnt have issue!if they did cut corner this could hurt a lot!cause a big chunk of new player are targetting this feature has the reason to go buy  gw2 in the first place!