Originally posted by Golelorn

Originally posted by heartless

If you're not swapping weapons, you're playing the game wrong.

That sounds horribly tedious, and I hope its not accurate.

Weapons and abilities are designed to be used situationally. I've always been a bit confused in games where, say, a ranger stands and tries to shoot a bow into a target at point blank range. Similarly, if you're a warrior, in order to attack something you have to charge in and hit in the face. In GW2, any class CAN start off with a ranged attack then swap to melee weapons when in melee range. The don't have to, they can. I know, this sounds odd, because that's not what we're used to. Or you're playing an elementalist and doing dps as fire using a staff, but you notice that your party members are getting low on health, so you switch attunements to water to throw out an aoe healing rain, then maybe switch to earth for extra armor before switching back to fire.

Does this sound tedious to you? IDK, maybe, but to me it sounds dynamic and exciting.

I think of weapon swapping as another skill

Originally posted by Golelorn

Originally posted by VassagoMael

Originally posted by Golelorn

Originally posted by heartless

If you're not swapping weapons, you're playing the game wrong.

That sounds horribly tedious, and I hope its not accurate.

No more so than expecting a mage to cast ice spells on a fire monster and fire spells on an ice monster.

Are we talking swapping weapons mid-fight, or for the occasion?

I can handle for the occasion, but not swapping 3 different sets of weapons in one fight.

2 swap max which changes your first 5 skills... well minus elementalist and engineer which have a slightly different set up. Although its still only two weapon swaps.

Originally posted by Golelorn

Originally posted by VassagoMael

Originally posted by Golelorn

Originally posted by heartless

If you're not swapping weapons, you're playing the game wrong.

That sounds horribly tedious, and I hope its not accurate.

No more so than expecting a mage to cast ice spells on a fire monster and fire spells on an ice monster.

Are we talking swapping weapons mid-fight, or for the occasion?

I can handle for the occasion, but not swapping 3 different sets of weapons in one fight.

Yes, it's on the fly. One button press with a cooldown and you're using another weapon set. But again, it's situational, giving you access to 10 different skills in combat, unless you're an elementalist or engineer, in which you have either 4 attunements (air earth fire water) or I believe 4 or 5 different engineer kits.

And it does strangely make sense in action. Mobs are running at you as a necromancer. You throw down some aoe fields that they have to run through using your staff, then when they close you swap to dagger to use life draining skills.

If this is not your kind of thing that's fine, not everyone likes this sort of on-the-fly combat, but it is what it is.

Originally posted by Golelorn

Originally posted by VassagoMael

Originally posted by Golelorn

Originally posted by heartless

If you're not swapping weapons, you're playing the game wrong.

That sounds horribly tedious, and I hope its not accurate.

No more so than expecting a mage to cast ice spells on a fire monster and fire spells on an ice monster.

Are we talking swapping weapons mid-fight, or for the occasion?

I can handle for the occasion, but not swapping 3 different sets of weapons in one fight.

You can swap between 2 weapons sets while in combat. When you're out of combat, you can change the weapons in those 2 sets to whatever you want, provided that you class can use the weapon.

Originally posted by Charlizzard

Originally posted by GeezerGamer

I've seen the videos too.

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Oh Shit!

111111111111111111111111111

Whew!

1---1---1---1---2---2---1---1---1---1---2---3---1---1---2

Well, at least you have your combat rotations down. See you in WvW and I expect to see you hitting those buttons in that exact order.

Really? Do you think I might have been over complicating my rotation for this game?

Originally posted by Charlizzard

Originally posted by Golelorn

Originally posted by heartless

If you're not swapping weapons, you're playing the game wrong.

That sounds horribly tedious, and I hope its not accurate.

Weapons and abilities are designed to be used situationally. I've always been a bit confused in games where, say, a ranger stands and tries to shoot a bow into a target at point blank range. Similarly, if you're a warrior, in order to attack something you have to charge in and hit in the face. In GW2, any class CAN start off with a ranged attack then swap to melee weapons when in melee range. The don't have to, they can. I know, this sounds odd, because that's not what we're used to. Or you're playing an elementalist and doing dps as fire using a staff, but you notice that your party members are getting low on health, so you switch attunements to water to throw out an aoe healing rain, then maybe switch to earth for extra armor before switching back to fire.

Does this sound tedious to you? IDK, maybe, but to me it sounds dynamic and exciting.

I'm not used to a class shooting something from ranged, the mob coming into melee range and then the class keeps shooting. The games I've played the character automatically switches to melee weapons, becase there is a minimum range for bow/guns. So, no, nothing odd about that. Pretty standard stuff, imo.

Is that all we are talking about? Hardly seems worth the rukus the OP made.

And, yes, the mage one sounds tedious. Exciting and dynamic? Not seeing it, but to each his own.

You're complaining about the lack of skills but let's just think back for a moment. 

I'm going to use my wow warlock as an example. I love the many different ways i could cast fire at people but really I only used maybe 4 skills to attack something. Of course there were occasions where I needed to CC or utility skill but with this system the CC is built into the combat skills. Utility still remains the same but I have access to many different kinds of CC. 

It's a double edged sword complaining that there are only 5 skills and that you wanted more and at the same time limit yourself to one type of weapon. 

Let's take the dual wielding into another game to see what currently exists. 

If i chose to dual wield in any other game I would have the same skills I would have had while leveling up, using various weapons with bigger numbers. Yet why aren't you complaining that other MMOs don't give you special dual wield skills when you do so in another game? To be fair, some abilities are directly linked to weaponsets but in most current MMOs essentially you will be doing the same rotation as if you were holding ANY OTHER type of weapon.

How many skills do you think will make it work? How many skills DIDN'T you use while killing regular mobs in the world? 80% of your skills maybe?

If OP doesn't reply we should just let this one die because we're just getting suckered into the ORM.

Originally posted by GeezerGamer

Originally posted by Charlizzard

Originally posted by GeezerGamer

I've seen the videos too.

1---1---1---1---2---2---1---1---1---1---2---3---1---1---2

Oh Shit!

111111111111111111111111111

Whew!

1---1---1---1---2---2---1---1---1---1---2---3---1---1---2

Well, at least you have your combat rotations down. See you in WvW and I expect to see you hitting those buttons in that exact order.

Really? Do you think I might have been over complicating my rotation for this game?

Made me chuckle...maybe you can macro it.   *wink*

Originally posted by GeezerGamer

Originally posted by Charlizzard

Originally posted by GeezerGamer

I've seen the videos too.

1---1---1---1---2---2---1---1---1---1---2---3---1---1---2

Oh Shit!

111111111111111111111111111

Whew!

1---1---1---1---2---2---1---1---1---1---2---3---1---1---2

Well, at least you have your combat rotations down. See you in WvW and I expect to see you hitting those buttons in that exact order.

Really? Do you think I might have been over complicating my rotation for this game?

Well, if you're asking for my advice, I'll give it a go:

1) When combat starts, lay the left side of your face on the left side of your keyboard.

2) To increase your dps, SLOWLY rotate your face from left to right, maintaining careful contact with the keys. Stop when you reach the right side of the keyboard.

3) If neither you nor your target are dead at this point, reverse the operation.

4) ???

5) Profit!

By the way, which edition did you pre-purchase today? I look forward to seeing you in WvW!

Originally posted by Golelorn

Originally posted by Charlizzard

Originally posted by Golelorn

Originally posted by heartless

If you're not swapping weapons, you're playing the game wrong.

That sounds horribly tedious, and I hope its not accurate.

Weapons and abilities are designed to be used situationally. I've always been a bit confused in games where, say, a ranger stands and tries to shoot a bow into a target at point blank range. Similarly, if you're a warrior, in order to attack something you have to charge in and hit in the face. In GW2, any class CAN start off with a ranged attack then swap to melee weapons when in melee range. The don't have to, they can. I know, this sounds odd, because that's not what we're used to. Or you're playing an elementalist and doing dps as fire using a staff, but you notice that your party members are getting low on health, so you switch attunements to water to throw out an aoe healing rain, then maybe switch to earth for extra armor before switching back to fire.

Does this sound tedious to you? IDK, maybe, but to me it sounds dynamic and exciting.

I'm not used to a class shooting something from ranged, the mob coming into melee range and then the class keeps shooting. The games I've played the character automatically switches to melee weapons, becase there is a minimum range for bow/guns. So, no, nothing odd about that. Pretty standard stuff, imo.

Is that all we are talking about? Hardly seems worth the rukus the OP made.

And, yes, the mage one sounds tedious. Exciting and dynamic? Not seeing it, but to each his own.

 

I guess depending on what game you're coming from it may be different. I think for many players it requires a shift in thinking, where weapon swapping is a tactical part of the game, and indeed, chosing which weapon sets to have equipped, given that each has different situational advantages/disadvantages. I'm a LONG time WoW player so to me yeah it's pretty significant.

But again to each their own. 

Originally posted by Charlizzard

Originally posted by GeezerGamer

Originally posted by Charlizzard

Originally posted by GeezerGamer

I've seen the videos too.

1---1---1---1---2---2---1---1---1---1---2---3---1---1---2

Oh Shit!

111111111111111111111111111

Whew!

1---1---1---1---2---2---1---1---1---1---2---3---1---1---2

Well, at least you have your combat rotations down. See you in WvW and I expect to see you hitting those buttons in that exact order.

Really? Do you think I might have been over complicating my rotation for this game?

Well, if you're asking for my advice, I'll give it a go:

1) When combat starts, lay the left side of your face on the left side of your keyboard.

2) To increase your dps, SLOWLY rotate your face from left to right, maintaining careful contact with the keys. Stop when you reach the right side of the keyboard.

3) If neither you nor your target are dead at this point, reverse the operation.

4) ???

5) Profit!

By the way, which edition did you pre-purchase today? I look forward to seeing you in WvW!

Nahh, this is all I'll need

Originally posted by nikki9786

Guild Wars 2 skill system is extremely simple.  You get 5 attack skills depending on what weapon you equip.  5 skills sound lame?  Yes it does.  Don't like it?  Swap weapons and get 5 different ones.

Personally, I like to play a warrior with duel swords. I hate clubs and 2he swords and axes, etc. You can do this in GW2, but if I do, I will be stuck with the same 5 skills the whole game.

This is innovation? 

Then go play a game that lets you play a Warrior with only using Dual Weilded swords.  This game isnt for you im afraid.  No sense arguing about innovative features that are not going to change.

Originally posted by GeezerGamer

Originally posted by Charlizzard

Originally posted by GeezerGamer

Originally posted by Charlizzard

Originally posted by GeezerGamer

I've seen the videos too.

1---1---1---1---2---2---1---1---1---1---2---3---1---1---2

Oh Shit!

111111111111111111111111111

Whew!

1---1---1---1---2---2---1---1---1---1---2---3---1---1---2

Well, at least you have your combat rotations down. See you in WvW and I expect to see you hitting those buttons in that exact order.

Really? Do you think I might have been over complicating my rotation for this game?

Well, if you're asking for my advice, I'll give it a go:

1) When combat starts, lay the left side of your face on the left side of your keyboard.

2) To increase your dps, SLOWLY rotate your face from left to right, maintaining careful contact with the keys. Stop when you reach the right side of the keyboard.

3) If neither you nor your target are dead at this point, reverse the operation.

4) ???

5) Profit!

By the way, which edition did you pre-purchase today? I look forward to seeing you in WvW!

Nahh, this is all I'll need

 

I think they sell those in the cash shop.

Originally posted by heartless

Originally posted by GeezerGamer

Originally posted by Charlizzard

Originally posted by GeezerGamer

Originally posted by Charlizzard

Originally posted by GeezerGamer

I've seen the videos too.

1---1---1---1---2---2---1---1---1---1---2---3---1---1---2

Oh Shit!

111111111111111111111111111

Whew!

1---1---1---1---2---2---1---1---1---1---2---3---1---1---2

Well, at least you have your combat rotations down. See you in WvW and I expect to see you hitting those buttons in that exact order.

Really? Do you think I might have been over complicating my rotation for this game?

Well, if you're asking for my advice, I'll give it a go:

1) When combat starts, lay the left side of your face on the left side of your keyboard.

2) To increase your dps, SLOWLY rotate your face from left to right, maintaining careful contact with the keys. Stop when you reach the right side of the keyboard.

3) If neither you nor your target are dead at this point, reverse the operation.

4) ???

5) Profit!

By the way, which edition did you pre-purchase today? I look forward to seeing you in WvW!

Nahh, this is all I'll need

 

I think they sell those in the cash shop.

Crap, I've been all wrong, looks like the cash shop really is P2W!

See you in game!

Originally posted by heartless

Originally posted by GeezerGamer

Originally posted by Charlizzard

Originally posted by GeezerGamer

Originally posted by Charlizzard

Originally posted by GeezerGamer

I've seen the videos too.

1---1---1---1---2---2---1---1---1---1---2---3---1---1---2

Oh Shit!

111111111111111111111111111

Whew!

1---1---1---1---2---2---1---1---1---1---2---3---1---1---2

Well, at least you have your combat rotations down. See you in WvW and I expect to see you hitting those buttons in that exact order.

Really? Do you think I might have been over complicating my rotation for this game?

Well, if you're asking for my advice, I'll give it a go:

1) When combat starts, lay the left side of your face on the left side of your keyboard.

2) To increase your dps, SLOWLY rotate your face from left to right, maintaining careful contact with the keys. Stop when you reach the right side of the keyboard.

3) If neither you nor your target are dead at this point, reverse the operation.

4) ???

5) Profit!

By the way, which edition did you pre-purchase today? I look forward to seeing you in WvW!

Nahh, this is all I'll need

 

I think they sell those in the cash shop.

No, that one says "WIN" on it.

Originally posted by KhinRunite

Actually, like the OP, I have a very specific preference when it comes to weapons. I like using Bows and Swords exclusively. If the game will require me to swap weapons to maximize my output I guess I'll play a very minor role in PvP or avoid it entirely.

That is fine, you switch between 2 weapons on the spot depending on range and situation.

OP only wanted dual wielding sword without ever changing and that is rather different. If you can´t be flexible at all this is the wrong game, but a range and a melee set is not a bad choice at all if you play right.

I plan to dual wield pistols and knifes on my thief myself.

You can still play with a single weapon set but it will limit your choices and make you worse than anyone that switches, unless you play engineer. I like the idea of special attacks for different weapons, GW1 had it and it worked fine there, my warrior only have 5 wepon skills there (and one self heal and 2 utility skills) and GW1 had no chains.

Originally posted by heartless

Originally posted by garretth

Originally posted by KhinRunite

Originally posted by heartless

If you're not swapping weapons, you're playing the game wrong.

Actually, like the OP, I have a very specific preference when it comes to weapons. I like using Bows and Swords exclusively. If the game will require me to swap weapons to maximize my output I guess I'll play a very minor role in PvP or avoid it entirely.

You can use bows and swords with the warrior and the ranger...not sure what else.

Thief can use a sword/dagger combo and use a short bow. That's about it, I think.

Thief can also use the weapons / skill of what ever it steals from its enemies. Thats pretty neat.

Originally posted by GeezerGamer

Originally posted by heartless

Originally posted by GeezerGamer

Nahh, this is all I'll need

I think they sell those in the cash shop.

No, that one says "WIN" on it.

Funny, I am looking forward to meet you 2 in the mists...Feel free to buy the entire cashshop... Just don't play on my server please.

Originally posted by R.I.O.T

Originally posted by heartless

Originally posted by garretth

Originally posted by KhinRunite

Originally posted by heartless

If you're not swapping weapons, you're playing the game wrong.

Actually, like the OP, I have a very specific preference when it comes to weapons. I like using Bows and Swords exclusively. If the game will require me to swap weapons to maximize my output I guess I'll play a very minor role in PvP or avoid it entirely.

You can use bows and swords with the warrior and the ranger...not sure what else.

Thief can use a sword/dagger combo and use a short bow. That's about it, I think.

Thief can also use the weapons / skill of what ever it steals from its enemies. Thats pretty neat.

do i hear a frenzy to make any and all variation of the name 'Kakashi" lol....