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# Guild Wars 2

## General Discussion  » Less than a tank of gas

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zymurgeist

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Joined: 12/24/04
Posts: 4832

4/10/12 7:16:26 PM#21
Originally posted by silvermember

I haven't pre purchase due to all the Chaos but I will, but gw2 does cost less than the following:

gas

drinking every weekend

updating my clothes

my new computer

dinner.

I walk to work, it's only a quarter mile or so.

I don't drink anymore.

Jeans and T shirts are classic. No need to update,  just replenish.

When games cost more than computers no one will play them. That's just crazy.

I cook, it's very inexpensive.

I hope you enjoy the game. It should be a good one.

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Kalmarth

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Joined: 9/18/04
Posts: 451

4/10/12 7:18:57 PM#22

I didn't spend any money on GW2 and save it ALL so 100% ahead WOOT!

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4/10/12 7:20:56 PM#23

You can wait after the game releases and see if you find a better offer. If the game is so good, it ain't going to dissapear anytime soon.

dreamer05

Apprentice Member

Joined: 7/18/05
Posts: 528

4/10/12 7:25:33 PM#24

Doesn't matter how much it costs if it isn't any fun.  I'm not saying whether it is or isn't because that really depends on the gamer.  However,  if you spend money to preorder without testing/trying it out first and you end up not liking it, that's a decent chunch of cash to waste on something you'll never get anything out of.  If you've tried it and you know you'll like it I understand the preorder but I'm sorry I'd rather wait until launch to see what everyone really thinks about it first.  At least that gas time will provide some use.

Theocritus

Joined: 7/15/08
Posts: 2840

4/10/12 7:26:13 PM#25

Since almost every game is 60 bucks or less why don't we just buy all of them!!! After all its just money right!

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4/10/12 7:30:10 PM#26
Originally posted by MindTrigger

my wife and i never go out to eat. we don't have a car, so no petrol. :(

but my mobile phone and internet cost more than gw2. :(

personally, i'm glad gw2 won't be making me pay the cost of 2-3 dinners for us every month.

Don't feel bad about not going out to eat.  I've been cooking my whole life, and I cook better than most restaurants and for a lot cheaper.  In fact, one of the reason this country has a major obesity problem is because many families are now 2nd generation non-cookers.  Gen X and Gen Y were the first generations to really start eating out or eating frozen junk more than they cook.  Gen Y kids and later have little clue where food even comes from.

/rant

oh, we eat well enough. my wife is korean, so she demands a varied dinner. so, we'll often have rice, soup, and plenty of different side dishes. doesn't cost much, which surprises me how she does it.

which is good. before we got married i ate a lot of noodles.

poor girl married a husband with a lot of debt, so we keep our finances separate so she gets to save an awful lot, and i get to just swim around the top of the drainpipe.

orsonstfu

Novice Member

Joined: 2/12/08
Posts: 203

4/10/12 7:35:38 PM#27
Originally posted by MindTrigger

my wife and i never go out to eat. we don't have a car, so no petrol. :(

but my mobile phone and internet cost more than gw2. :(

personally, i'm glad gw2 won't be making me pay the cost of 2-3 dinners for us every month.

Don't feel bad about not going out to eat.  I've been cooking my whole life, and I cook better than most restaurants and for a lot cheaper.  In fact, one of the reason this country has a major obesity problem is because many families are now 2nd generation non-cookers.  Gen X and Gen Y were the first generations to really start eating out or eating frozen junk more than they cook.  Gen Y kids and later have little clue where food even comes from.

/rant

oh, we eat well enough. my wife is korean, so she demands a varied dinner. so, we'll often have rice, soup, and plenty of different side dishes. doesn't cost much, which surprises me how she does it.

which is good. before we got married i ate a lot of noodles.

poor girl married a husband with a lot of debt, so we keep our finances separate so she gets to save an awful lot, and i get to just swim around the top of the drainpipe.

I was and still am too scared of debt. I pay for everything in cash lol.... Now I am faced with the prospect of a mortgage soon, tearful inside haha.

Tardcore

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Joined: 9/13/09
Posts: 2370

"A strange game. The only winning move is not to post."

4/10/12 7:37:26 PM#28

I too agree the price of petrol is getting ridiculous, and I feel is being spuriously inflated beyond the normal rules of supply and demand.

That said though, I spend a good amount of my time working for the benefit of people who don't undertand these issues as most of them don't have a pot to piss in, and usually have just the clothes on their back and sometimes whatever they can carry. To see people in the first world complain that the cost of living is too high, or how much life sucks, when to a large percentage of the planet they live in opulent splendor, is a bit hard for me to take seriously.

Not trying to be a judgemental dick, just saying take a moment to sit back and reflect just how much worse off you could be, and then see if life in the "three squares a day, climate controlled, expensive yet way better than walking travel, protected (somewhat) by the rule of law, enough free time to enjoy frivolous nonsense, world" is really all that bad.

/SOAPBOX FUNCTION OFF

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orsonstfu

Novice Member

Joined: 2/12/08
Posts: 203

4/10/12 7:40:39 PM#29
Originally posted by Tardcore

I too agree the price of petrol is getting ridiculous, and I feel is being spuriously inflated beyond the normal rules of supply and demand.

That said though, I spend a good amount of my time working for the benefit of people who don't undertand these issues as most of them don't have a pot to piss in, and usually have just the clothes on their back and sometimes whatever they can carry. To see people in the first world complain that the cost of living is too high, or how much life sucks, when to a large percentage of the planet they live in opulent splendor, is a bit hard for me to take seriously.

Not trying to be a judgemental dick, just saying take a moment to sit back and reflect just how much worse off you could be, and then see if life in the "three squares a day, climate controlled, expensive yet way better than walking travel, protected (somewhat) by the rule of law, enough free time to enjoy frivolous nonsense world" is really all that bad.

/SOAPBOX FUNCTION OFF

Honestly, it was a matter of a cosmical roll of the dice. Got lucky.

Wish that I could support some starving folks and end the hunger but its beyond my ability. I am proud to say; however, that I donated a bull to a family in need. :)

Betakodo

Joined: 2/16/12
Posts: 309

4/10/12 8:23:02 PM#30
Originally posted by MindTrigger

With no sub fee you have a pretty damned smoking deal, really.

When they take out the stuff that should be in the game (Including fair play) and add a cash shop and RMT not really. Compared to free to play games that have a cash shop and do this, you're being ripped off to the tune of $60. killion81 Elite Member Joined: 8/31/06 Posts: 579 4/10/12 8:54:45 PM#31 Originally posted by Betakodo Originally posted by MindTrigger With no sub fee you have a pretty damned smoking deal, really. When they take out the stuff that should be in the game (Including fair play) and add a cash shop and RMT not really. Compared to free to play games that have a cash shop and do this, you're being ripped off to the tune of$60.

When are they going to take out fair play?  Have they announced a date for that yet?

Corehaven

Joined: 7/27/11
Posts: 1561

I swear by my pretty floral bonnet, I will end you.

4/10/12 8:59:36 PM#32
Originally posted by Betakodo
Originally posted by MindTrigger

With no sub fee you have a pretty damned smoking deal, really.

When they take out the stuff that should be in the game (Including fair play) and add a cash shop and RMT not really. Compared to free to play games that have a cash shop and do this, you're being ripped off to the tune of $60. Oh brother. How many of those free to play games RELEASED as free to play? And how many of them have the AAA standards and quality of GW2. Name one single AAA mmorpg that released as totally free to play. You cant. So what you've said here is entirely bogus. Getting ripped off is paying 60 bucks, taking it home, and then the next month you have to pay an additional$15, again and again.   Or with some games, they let you pay around $200 bucks for a lifetime sub. Some of these also have cash shops. Oh but GW2 is ripping people off for charging$60 for their game.  Tell me another joke.  Your last one was hilarious.

Loke666

Hard Core Member

Joined: 10/29/07
Posts: 15536

4/10/12 9:02:10 PM#33

Here you get 1 1/2 GW2 for a tank of gas... But gas cost about $2L here (yeah, not gallon). And as good as all games cost about$75 including GW2. Suddenly I remember why I sold my car last year...

Tardcore

Apprentice Member

Joined: 9/13/09
Posts: 2370

"A strange game. The only winning move is not to post."

4/10/12 9:06:30 PM#34
Originally posted by orsonstfu
Originally posted by Tardcore

I too agree the price of petrol is getting ridiculous, and I feel is being spuriously inflated beyond the normal rules of supply and demand.

That said though, I spend a good amount of my time working for the benefit of people who don't undertand these issues as most of them don't have a pot to piss in, and usually have just the clothes on their back and sometimes whatever they can carry. To see people in the first world complain that the cost of living is too high, or how much life sucks, when to a large percentage of the planet they live in opulent splendor, is a bit hard for me to take seriously.

Not trying to be a judgemental dick, just saying take a moment to sit back and reflect just how much worse off you could be, and then see if life in the "three squares a day, climate controlled, expensive yet way better than walking travel, protected (somewhat) by the rule of law, enough free time to enjoy frivolous nonsense world" is really all that bad.

/SOAPBOX FUNCTION OFF

Honestly, it was a matter of a cosmical roll of the dice. Got lucky.

Wish that I could support some starving folks and end the hunger but its beyond my ability. I am proud to say; however, that I donated a bull to a family in need. :)

Yeah it really is a crap shoot.

And hey you can only do as best you can. Props for helping someone out by donating the bull. It may not be a smooth ride, but it will certainly save them money on petrol.

"Gypsies, tramps, and thieves, we were called by the Admin of the site . . . "

xcharbyx

Novice Member

Joined: 10/24/06
Posts: 37

4/10/12 9:15:47 PM#35

I did the math yesterday for someone and one thing that people forget to put into the equation is you first have to see what you need a vehicle for. IE do you need a 4WD vehicle? Do you need to haul anything? Do you ever pull a trailer. If the answer to all of these is no than you could switch to a 30 mpg vehicle. You could even save more money with the purchase of a used high mpg car. The thing I try to get people to think about is what they use their vehicle for. If you buy the wrong vehicle just to save mpg you typically will be back buying the vehicle you needed in the first place and we all know that buying/selling cars is never cheap. To be fair to the vehicle you now own you have to look at similar vehicles and then see how much mpg they get. For example a 1997 Chevy PU will get 14-16 mpg while a new truck will get anywhere from 16-20. In that case it takes a very long time to capture your fuel savings. The equation changes if you can switch vehicles from one type to another. For example my wife and I who are now empty nesters do not need the same vehicle we did when we had 7 kids at home. In our case we could spend money to downsize and save money on fuel and other associated costs. You are right in your math. The key is you are switching vehicle types and what they are used for. My statement is for "like" vehicles. I have spoken to many people over the past few years that have bought "like" vehicles thinking they were saving money because the new vehicle got "better" gas mileage. What they forget is the additional cost of the new vehicle was greater than the cost of the fuel they were using.

One thing I also recommend to people is to not make big decisions like this right away. Yes prices have risen and there are some that say they will not come down for quite some time. I do not have a crystal ball but I do know that our economy cannot handle \$4.00 a gallon fuel. It could not handle it the last time it went that high and it will not handle it this time. Everyone forgets that the last time this happened it started the recession we are in now. Will we repeat this - time will tell.

My suggestion is wait. Wait and see what will happen to fuel prices. In the meantime are there things you can do to save money on what you own? Yes there is. We will talk about some of those things on this weeks show.

Last question - what exactly are you driving now? Year, Make, Model and Miles on the vehicle. What is the exact mpg you get now?

This is a great topic. Please listen if you can and add to our conversation if you want.

For $r\neq 1$, the sum of the first n terms of a geometric series is:

$a + ar + a r^2 + a r^3 + \cdots + a r^{n-1} = \sum_{k=0}^{n-1} ar^k= a \, \frac{1-r^{n}}{1-r},$

where a is the first term of the series, and r is the common ratio. We can derive this formula as follows:

\begin{align} &\text{Let }s = a + ar + ar^2 + ar^3 + \cdots + ar^{n-1}. \\[4pt] &\text{Then }rs = ar + ar^2 + ar^3 + ar^4 + \cdots + ar^{n} \\[4pt] &\text{Then }s - rs = s(1-r) = a-ar^{n},\text{ so }s = a \frac{1-r^{n}}{1-r}. \end{align}

The formula follows by multiplying through by a.

As n goes to infinity, the absolute value of r must be less than one for the series to converge. The sum then becomes

$s \;=\; \sum_{k=0}^\infty ar^k = \frac{a}{1-r}=a+ar+ar^2+ar^3+ar^4+\cdots.$

When a = 1, this simplifies to:

$1 \,+\, r \,+\, r^2 \,+\, r^3 \,+\, \cdots \;=\; \frac{1}{1-r},$

the left-hand side being a geometric series with common ratio r. We can derive this formula:

\begin{align} &\text{Let }s = 1 + r + r^2 + r^3 + \cdots. \\[4pt] &\text{Then }rs = r + r^2 + r^3 + \cdots. \\[4pt] &\text{Then }s - rs = 1,\text{ so }s(1 - r) = 1,\text{ and thus }s = \frac{1}{1-r}. \end{align}

The general formula follows if we multiply through by a.

This formula is only valid for convergent series (i.e., when the magnitude of r is less than one). For example, the sum is undefined when r = 10, even though the formula gives s = −1/9.

This reasoning is also valid, with the same restrictions, for the complex case.

### Proof of convergence

We can prove that the geometric series converges using the sum formula for a geometric progression:

\begin{align} &1 \,+\, r \,+\, r^2 \,+\, r^3 \,+\, \cdots \\[3pt] &=\; \lim_{n\rightarrow\infty} \left(1 \,+\, r \,+\, r^2 \,+\, \cdots \,+\, r^n\right) \\ &=\; \lim_{n\rightarrow\infty} \frac{1-r^{n+1}}{1-r} \end{align}

Since (1 + r + r2 + ... + rn)(1−r) = 1−rn+1 and rn+1 → 0 for | r | < 1, the limit is $\frac{1}{1-r}$.

## Applications

### Repeating decimals

A repeating decimal can be thought of as a geometric series whose common ratio is a power of 1/10. For example:

$0.7777\ldots \;=\; \frac{7}{10} \,+\, \frac{7}{100} \,+\, \frac{7}{1000} \,+\, \frac{7}{10,000} \,+\, \cdots.$

The formula for the sum of a geometric series can be used to convert the decimal to a fraction:

$0.7777\ldots \;=\; \frac{a}{1-r} \;=\; \frac{7/10}{1-1/10} \;=\; \frac{7}{9}.$

The formula works not only for a single repeating figure, but also for a repeating group of figures. For example:

$0.123412341234\ldots \;=\; \frac{a}{1-r} \;=\; \frac{1234/10000}{1-1/10000} \;=\; \frac{1234}{9999}.$

Note that every series of repeating consecutive decimals can be conveniently simplified with the following:

$0.09090909\ldots \;=\; \frac{09}{99} \;=\; \frac{1}{11}.$
$0.143814381438\ldots \;=\; \frac{1438}{9999}.$
$0.9999\ldots \;=\; \frac{9}{9} \;=\; 1.$

In short. Buy a fucking bike.
User Deleted
4/11/12 12:14:27 AM#36
Originally posted by orsonstfu
Originally posted by MindTrigger

my wife and i never go out to eat. we don't have a car, so no petrol. :(

but my mobile phone and internet cost more than gw2. :(

personally, i'm glad gw2 won't be making me pay the cost of 2-3 dinners for us every month.

Don't feel bad about not going out to eat.  I've been cooking my whole life, and I cook better than most restaurants and for a lot cheaper.  In fact, one of the reason this country has a major obesity problem is because many families are now 2nd generation non-cookers.  Gen X and Gen Y were the first generations to really start eating out or eating frozen junk more than they cook.  Gen Y kids and later have little clue where food even comes from.

/rant

oh, we eat well enough. my wife is korean, so she demands a varied dinner. so, we'll often have rice, soup, and plenty of different side dishes. doesn't cost much, which surprises me how she does it.

which is good. before we got married i ate a lot of noodles.

poor girl married a husband with a lot of debt, so we keep our finances separate so she gets to save an awful lot, and i get to just swim around the top of the drainpipe.

I was and still am too scared of debt. I pay for everything in cash lol.... Now I am faced with the prospect of a mortgage soon, tearful inside haha.

i always tell people: don't get into debt.

and, having said that, when the bank goes "want some more credit?" i always say, "hmm, yeah, well, okay."

my wife is threatening to take all my money and cards off me and give me pocket money only.

some days, i think that would be the smartest thing i could do.

edit: but then i'm afraid she'll find out how much i actually owe. :P

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