Here are the Entropia forums

http://www.entropiaforum.com/forum/

Their most popular sub forum topic only has 4k posts...  Most of the 'dead' or 'empty' F2P games have more posts than 4k in their most popular sub forum.  When people say thay have made tens of thousands on this game, they are simply outright lying.  Nowhere near that much money is going around in this game, lets alone hundreds of thousands or millions.....  I jumped into this game a little over a year ago, to check things out.  The economy was not going strong at that time, with usually one or two sellers for each type of material/item.  And that was only for stuff people needed, most items you had to farm for because you couldn't find anyone selling them.  Game is a scam, and the company isn't even making much off it.  The people who go around telling how much thay have made or how much someone they 'know' has made are either trying to promote the game, or have been fooled by the game and want others to have the same fate....

Edit:  After reading some more on their forums, it seems as if the company (Mindark) doesn't even have enough money to pay back players when they make a profit in-game.  MA, it seems, is going broke.  So even if a player invests a decent amount, and just happens to make a profit in-game (which is unlikely, it's a high risk scenario, and most players lose their money) MA will not even be able to pay the player back with real cash when the player wants to withdraw his PEDS to real $$........lmao

The main forum is planetcalypsoforum.com

I would like a link to where a legit player following the rules was not payed when they went to cash out.

Lots of people have created panic threads, and I have read them all since I have money in the game. It always turns out the player screwed up on something, (wrong bank acct#, registered under a fake name, etc....) and they all eventually got paid  once their errors were taken care of.

I have only withdrawn one time for $3,300 usd, and it came through to my bank with no problems at all.

narfi

The main forum has like 166,000 threads the trading sub section alone has 50,000 threads. But don't let a load of BS like you sprout get in the way of the truth. I have deposited and widthrawn from this "game" several times without issue. It' is not a scam it's a business.  Just because you are ignorant of how it works doesn't make it a scam. It's as much a scam as real life. those that have money make more money those with little money struggle. I suppose D3 will be a scam as well. What if I told you that for $100,000 dollars you could get 1% of all transactions that occur on the Diablo 3 real money market. would you invest after all they are just virtual items? Guess what people pay lots of money for entertainment and these RCE games give you a chance to be a part of the income stream these games generate. If you are too small minded to see the direction of digital entertainment go back to earning your measly wage while people with vision take it all form you piece by piece. baaaaaaa. 

Entropia Online isn't a game.

It's a virtual world.

so basicly we have 2 groups related to this "Game"

the people who love it and the people who hate it.. 

personally reading both sides all im seeing from this is, not so much a game as its a buy in job O-o" 

you have to work a job to make the money to use the money to buy PED to invest in to the game to make money in the game, to withdraw the PED made in to real money to do whatever with it... @_@

if that is correct... its not really a game is it?? its basicly a virtural job.. like a virtural slot machine its all a gamble. 

if you invest 100usd or 1000 usd and buy some land on the "planet" there is no guarentee you will make or even break even.. while at the same time it sounds like you have to do that to actually advance in the "game" 

to me that sounds like a job not a game.  i cant see how that is relaxing or stress relef at all.. as you are gambling real money on bits of data and pixals..

if people like that sorta thing, good for them.. im just stumped how exactly its fun to gamble like that :/ 

Originally posted by Sbinortz

I play the game too... Did since 2003 with a few breaks over the years.

I can vouch for what Narfi is saying. It IS indeed possible to make good money withing the game (I've withdrawn a substantial amount more than I have deposited over the years myself). BUT you should not expect to make money.

No one doubts that at all. Actually, I think everyone pretty much agrees that the guys at the top of the pyramid are making serious bank.

Well actually my recent gaming history should be seen more from the perspective of a newer player. As mentioned I played on and off since 2003... 9 years! But in this timespan I sold out all assets and skills in game 2 times and withdrew most of my peds (money). After last sellout a few years ago I did not play for about a year. But I watched forums in the mean time. 

Then, last summer 2011, MA released space and I decided to spend what I had not withdrawn in game on a Mothership (huge spacecraft) and again make profit on this. Any avatar with funding could have done this (and still can if they can find a seller)  no matter if new or old. 8 months ago my avatar was in reality new!

As for job or game... yes EU can be both. But it is undeniable it has got a long term attraction. Thats why I kept comming back to the game over the years :)

/Sbi

When i try out the game, around 2005 i think, i just found the game a "online casino".

I bealive someone can make money with the game, as long theres someone losing it. Its a very simple system just like the casinos.

Originally posted by Ichmen

so basicly we have 2 groups related to this "Game"

 

the people who love it and the people who hate it.. 

 

personally reading both sides all im seeing from this is, not so much a game as its a buy in job O-o" 

you have to work a job to make the money to use the money to buy PED to invest in to the game to make money in the game, to withdraw the PED made in to real money to do whatever with it... @_@

if that is correct... its not really a game is it?? its basicly a virtural job.. like a virtural slot machine its all a gamble. 

if you invest 100usd or 1000 usd and buy some land on the "planet" there is no guarentee you will make or even break even.. while at the same time it sounds like you have to do that to actually advance in the "game" 

 

to me that sounds like a job not a game.  i cant see how that is relaxing or stress relef at all.. as you are gambling real money on bits of data and pixals..

if people like that sorta thing, good for them.. im just stumped how exactly its fun to gamble like that :/ 

 

you can compare it to a casino, but where you can affect the odds for winning - not 100% certain but you can easy have a loose of 50%+ too, and ofc those that have this happening call it a scam and hate the entropia universe.

you can treat it like a slavery and work hard a month to get about 15$ for free.

you can treat it as an investor, put in money and try your luck as a trader, only people who actually make money in this game...a good trader (someone who doesnt try exploit newcomers, and only will profit if they re-sell in big amounts) is lucky to make 1 - 10$ a day - or 10 - 100 ped...atleast people Ive chatted with...and those Ive chatted actually spend those ped in game, so doing it only to play for free (1 of them even started out with the slavery activities, so never paid a cent)

these land deeds is like buying shares in mindark, just inside game instead of in the real world...were putted for sale for 1000 ped, but now all are sold, it is free market competition

meh

kudos for all those that are in Entropia ,but I would never ever want to play a "game" like that

Its a really fun game if you get into it, just treat it like a normal MMO, so you initally put in £30 then maue £10 a month soon enough you will get used to the game work out what makes the best cash and soon enough you wont be paying £10 a month...

Graphics are tons better now they have moved to the cryengine.

http://www.entropiauniverse.com/media/imagess

one of the better looknig mmorpgs out there.

Its not for everyone i guess as some people cant get their heads around the real money thing.. but if you think of it like i described above and just treat it as a normal pay monthly MMO then its all good..



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGwkGYbbMP8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDzzjKjh9uI&feature=related



 

oops double post

Originally posted by Sorrow

Entropia has an average return on investment of 11%, find any other investment anywhere right now with a 11% return.

This statement has been bothering me for a day now, and here's why:

This can only be true if it's an active pyramid with money constantly flowing in from the bottom. As money from the bottom slows, it drops. When money from the bottom stops, the average goes into a negative. For MindArk financials to be the way they are, there has to be far more people gambling and losing (and, yes, putting money in and hoping for that sweet drop to sell for a decent return while collecting animal sweat is gambling)  than there are people winning.

The quoted statement is either misleading, as it misrepresents the actual chance of any return, or it's false and just being used to lure others into the bottom of the funnel.

Originally posted by Loktofeit

Originally posted by Sorrow

Entropia has an average return on investment of 11%, find any other investment anywhere right now with a 11% return.

This statement has been bothering me for a day now, and here's why:

 

This can only be true if it's an active pyramid with money constantly flowing in from the bottom. As money from the bottom slows, it drops. When money from the bottom stops, the average goes into a negative. For MindArk financials to be the way they are, there has to be far more people gambling and losing (and, yes, putting money in and hoping for that sweet drop to sell for a decent return while collecting animal sweat is gambling)  than there are people winning.

The quoted statement is either misleading, as it misrepresents the actual chance of any return, or it's false and just being used to lure others into the bottom of the funnel.

 

There are only a few 'players' that really make any money in this game, and yes its from other players effectively, the 'money' is very deeply entrenched, anybody expecting to walk into this game and make money is likely to lose their shirt, even breaking even is something i wouldnt count on. Its a game that is no stranger to controversy in the way it operates, and the only ones really promoting this game, invariably have a vested interest in doing so.

Originally posted by Ichmen

so basicly we have 2 groups related to this "Game"

 

the people who love it and the people who hate it.. 

 

personally reading both sides all im seeing from this is, not so much a game as its a buy in job O-o" 

you have to work a job to make the money to use the money to buy PED to invest in to the game to make money in the game, to withdraw the PED made in to real money to do whatever with it... @_@

if that is correct... its not really a game is it?? its basicly a virtural job.. like a virtural slot machine its all a gamble. 

if you invest 100usd or 1000 usd and buy some land on the "planet" there is no guarentee you will make or even break even.. while at the same time it sounds like you have to do that to actually advance in the "game" 

 

to me that sounds like a job not a game.  i cant see how that is relaxing or stress relef at all.. as you are gambling real money on bits of data and pixals..

if people like that sorta thing, good for them.. im just stumped how exactly its fun to gamble like that :/ 

Play it as a game, chuck in £10 a month an jsut have fun.. now if you cant have fun and i say this with every game then dont play :)

Back when i played Entropia I had a good time i guess mainly because i didnt sit and think that every time i fired my weapon i used some real money i just played it like another other monthly sub game ... did i make loads of cash... no not a all i think out of the 6 months i played i maybe got away without having to pay for about 2 months..  but i was playing to have fun not to make money..

So you dont have to go investing tons of cash and gamble your money away but that option is there if you want to give it a go :)

It always amazes me how people talk about this game without even trying it or with trying it, buying the bigest gun they could find and shoot away 10 dollars of ammo in 10 minutes and then quit because they lost their money. This game is a game for smart people and not for kids thinking they could become rich in a few days. Everything you do is an investment into the future. Buying better armor so you have better protection from bigger creatures, buying a bigger gun so you can kill them faster and by killing bigger creatures have a bigger chance of getting some big loot (no guarantees though).

Even though I think this 2,5M invetsment is a risky one, this guy could very well have his money back in no time.

There are examples enough of people investing in this game and getting A LOT of money back fro their investment (Deathifier, NEVERDIE, Buzz Lightyear, and for sure some land area owners)

Sure in the years I played this game I lost money, but so do people who play WoW or buy a new offline game every few months. In this game it is just that I descide if I wanna loose money or not, because I descide if I put in any money or not

Originally posted by fenistil

meh

 

kudos for all those that are in Entropia ,but I would never ever want to play a "game" like that

this game though is what I expect when I say the word MMO, could always wish for more, but this is the kind of game I want, the fact that it is connected to RL money make the market slow I think...which ruin it abit to me...a part of me love it is connected directly to RL money, but really would make the game easier to play if it wasnt, as in less dependency on someone thinking of if their investment is worth it or not - no smart person make a investment without thinking they have a good chance to win...be it in big skill gain or ped value, skills is the same as money in the bank...as long as someone care to pay it ofc...actually would love to have skills sellable in EvE online would be lovely :P  other than the illegal way selling off your entire charecter

A bit of a video responce to the naysayers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoBN9JSlsto&feature=youtu.be

Originally posted by unclemo

A bit of a video responce to the naysayers.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoBN9JSlsto&feature=youtu.be

Sorry, but when you have a pyramid scheme like this game is the entire idea is for those in the game to get the shills to invest money in the game. 

Don't fall for this nonsense.  The game has probably the worst grind for newcomers of any game out there.  How anyone can construe that as fun has some nuts loose.  So you end up spending far more than you intended to lessen it.

The old saying , a fool and his money are soon parted, really holds true for this game.

Originally posted by EU_RAZER

It always amazes me how people talk about this game without even trying it or with trying it, buying the bigest gun they could find and shoot away 10 dollars of ammo in 10 minutes and then quit because they lost their money. This game is a game for smart people and not for kids thinking they could become rich in a few days. Everything you do is an investment into the future. Buying better armor so you have better protection from bigger creatures, buying a bigger gun so you can kill them faster and by killing bigger creatures have a bigger chance of getting some big loot (no guarantees though).

Even though I think this 2,5M invetsment is a risky one, this guy could very well have his money back in no time.

There are examples enough of people investing in this game and getting A LOT of money back fro their investment (Deathifier, NEVERDIE, Buzz Lightyear, and for sure some land area owners)

Sure in the years I played this game I lost money, but so do people who play WoW or buy a new offline game every few months. In this game it is just that I descide if I wanna loose money or not, because I descide if I put in any money or not

No one disgrees with you - the guys at the top get rich off of the new players.