Why is Curt Shilling up there?  Is his company making an MMO?  I thought they only had one game, amalur?

Originally posted by kanezfan

Why is Curt Shilling up there?  Is his company making an MMO?  I thought they only had one game, amalur?

They're making Copernicus (code-name), which is the MMO set in Amalur's world.

Good public speaking skills bill, kudos......

I think out of all those guys, Curt Schilling is most in tune with what an mmorpg should be. That said however, it was unfortunate that the "future" of mmo design did not include a single sandbox developer :(

Almost all of those panelists talking about innovation, creating worlds, and freedom while their games are about 90% combat and about 10% everything else.

Originally posted by BillMurphy

Originally posted by kanezfan

Why is Curt Shilling up there?  Is his company making an MMO?  I thought they only had one game, amalur?

They're making Copernicus (code-name), which is the MMO set in Amalur's world.

 

Yeah sorry, I hadn't watched far enough.  Thanks.

Originally posted by BillMurphy

Originally posted by marcust

Ok now that I've seen the whole presentation can I say: Bill if you have any of those keys left over please send me one. *grins*

Very happy that I've spent an hour on this and I think you just sold me on buying GW2 - the open world feel and doing what you "want" to do today rather than having to do the "next" thing has made me start thinking of how I can free up large blocks of hours to experience this.

 

If you can believe it, Mark Kerstein gave MORE out at his own CM panel on Sunday morning. But sadly, we don't have any extras ourselves.

I think you meant Martin Kerstein, unless he has a twin at ANet ;) 

It was a great panel.

Originally posted by Amana

 

I think you meant Martin Kerstein, unless he has a twin at ANet ;) 

It was a great panel.

Hey, you're the mod!  Edit me!  :)

/shakes fist

pen and paper games. . "hey I'm not knocking board games."  ?

I never used a board.  We had to play outside with dice made of rocks and our imagination.

Originally posted by Aethaeryn

pen and paper games. . "hey I'm not knocking board games."  ?

I never used a board.  We had to play outside with dice made of rocks and our imagination.

Oh, is that what he said? I couldn't make out the word. Assumed it was just ‘those games’.

Originally posted by DarkPony

In regards to Jon Peters' "the game just has to be fun" remark: you are right, but fun can come in all kinds of shapes and not always through ready accesible, premade content and a high level of convenience for players. To me personally overcoming complexity, obstacles and challenges in an unpredictable world where players are at the helm is fun. Looking at the growing amount of more experienced, older as well as newer, smarter mmorpg gamers makes me really think that this is a way bigger "niche" than the industry is currently catering for.

I like to think that was the exact reason WHY he didn't go into many details, because he realizes what you said.

Very interesting video. Its always good to see developers together sharing their thoughts about the past and future of our genre. Its also particulary interesting to see how most of them are pretty easy to relate to. Thanks MMORPG!

Great video and specially last 10min:)

Interesting panel. I like how passionate they are about the MMO genre. I'm also now starting to get interested in the upcoming MMOFPS games.

The ghuy asking the question at 21:20 sounds like he's high on pot or horribly drunk or something. ^^

Did anyone else feel that  the Dev from SWOTR and G2 really don't like eachother? Im sure there is a professional respect but something tells me from the body language and rebuttals from  ArenaNet to Bioware is that there really not a fan of one another. Also Love the G2 footage and must say  I love hearing the reasons why games “should and shouldn't be F2P” Kinda wish Blizz was there but there to good to meet with the “common folks” Heck there not even having Blizzcon! Lol Anyways great vid! Love the ending where Arenanet gives out Beta keys "WISH I WAS THERE" and love the carrot they dangled out there saying in a "few" more weeks! I hope so can't wait for G2!

P.S My post is not spam stop asking me for CAPCHA!

Is it because I am middle aged that I cringe so much watching the introductions to the Pax panel and hearing all the screaming and whooping while these guys take their seats?

IMO these guys are responsible for the shocking state of the MMO gaming industry, they need a slap not a clap.

Originally posted by musicmann

I didn't have to listen to the whole thing to realize that these devs except for maybe 2 of them are freaking stuck in the themepark hand holding mode. The first question on innovation and how that first dude answered was what makes me sick of these games and how the so called future is being handled. In his mind, fun gameplay trumps community and that's the reason why these new games feel like SPRPG with coop features instead of true mmorpg's, that have fun combat but also indepth tools for out of combat content that builds a strong community with player interdependencies.

 

Um....you realize the person you are talking about is Matt Higby and he's the creative director for Planetside 2.   It's the farthest thing from a "SPRPG with coop features" out of all the games on the panel. It is not a themepark in the slightest. It's not even an RPG actually, it's an FPS. 

People don't need a whole lot of out of combat content in Planetside 2. It's an FPS. It's based around content. 

I don't think he was saying that gameplay trumps community. I think what he's saying is that most games focus on community and completely ignore combat/gameplay. He's saying that companies are starting to create games where gameplay is more important now. Look at Tera, GW 2, Defiance, and Planetside 2. All of those games have unique combat mechanics, but I think it would be foolish to say that there are no community tools involved.    

Originally posted by PyrateLV

Originally posted by musicmann

I didn't have to listen to the whole thing to realize that these devs except for maybe 2 of them are freaking stuck in the themepark hand holding mode. The first question on innovation and how that first dude answered was what makes me sick of these games and how the so called future is being handled. In his mind, fun gameplay trumps community and that's the reason why these new games feel like SPRPG with coop features instead of true mmorpg's, that have fun combat but also indepth tools for out of combat content that builds a strong community with player interdependencies.

 

Exactly. I didnt even watch the video because I thought to myself -"Why would I want to listen to a bunch of guys who have made these Linear, Shallow, Craptastic Themeparks talk about  the future of MORE Linear, Shallow, Craptastic Themeparks?"

I just wasnt going to waste my time.

 

Id rather see a panel of Devs sit in front of something like a Gamers version of a Senate Hearing and answer as to WHY they keep making these lame, shallow, boring, linear, hand-holding, facerolling, WoW Clones.

 

So out of the games on the panel, you're saying Planetside 2, TSW, GW 2, Tera, and Defiance are WoW clones? 

I doubt that very much. 

Originally posted by Ozmodan

Seemed to me they were constantly defending the themepark.  Granted most of them took the safe road and chose that direction, but they all flopped on the innovation question because I see very little innovation in their products and most of them just side stepped the question with nonsense comments.  What I got from most of them was that innovation was only good within a certain set of parameters.

One thing I noticed, many of them harken back to their Everquest roots, a game I never particularly cared for.  Probably why I disagree with many of them.

Somehow I get the feeling Curt wants to put more challenge back into the genre, I could go for that even in an Everquest format I suppose.  I wanted to ask the Bioware guy how soon were they going to automate gameplay?

When I hear someone say that the sandbox genre is for niche games it makes me think of a very closed mindset.

Good panel though, you guys did a bangup job getting that together.  Good to get a feel for what these guys are thinking.

 

Well I disagree, bioware was the first to make an MMO with full personal story/voice overs.  Whether you call it innovative or not they still were.  Also, I too thought like that about their views on sandbox games, but then i thought to myself...there are no real sandbox games that apply the "easy to learn hard to master" theory, so I see where they're coming from with that.

Originally posted by aesperus

Originally posted by dubyahite

Alright, Planetside fanboy here for full disclosure and all, but did anyone catch the slight jab the GW 2 guy made at Higby during the why should you play our game question?



Higby said something along the lines of "you can play alongside thousands of other people...blah blah blah"



The GW 2 guy simply said "we are making a game you can play WITH other people not just alongside them" and that was basically his while pitch.





I imagine he never played Planetside. Maybe I'm just reading into that too much, but it sounded kind of stupid. In my opinion there is not a more group/teamwork oriented game than Planetside.

Sounds like you're reading too much into that. Keep inmind that the GW2 guy was pretty exhausted for that panel. He kept stumbling through his answers, spent most of the time looking at his lap, and even mentioned @ the end that he had just gotten off an overnight flight to be there. You can even see him shaking hands with a few of them members as they all get up to leave. Something none of the other developers seemed to be doing.

I have to say, it was a very insightful panel, but overall it didn't invoke a lot of confidence for me in the industry 'leaders'. There was a couple that seemed to have the right idea (GW2, and Planetside 2). Curt Schilling had some nice buzz to add, but he doesn't really have anything to back it up yet. He seemed to be self-promoting a little too much and I wasn't really feeling his reply to the 'comparing games to WoW' comment. I do enjoy kingdoms of amalur, though.

I also really didn't like the crowd-plant they threw in there to plug DEFIANCE, Trion's new game. Really kind of cheapened the whole event a bit for me, tbh. I'd rather have had a real question, instead of an obvious marketting gimmick.

 

Ok, i'm probably just being too defensive, but yeah that would explain a lot. He seemed kind of pissed off the whole time and annoyed.