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4/09/12 1:08:57 PM#21
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4/09/12 1:10:16 PM#22
As usual, both extremist sides of this argument are wrong and the truth lies somewhere in the middle. For everyone saying that the cash shop is completely harmless and will have no impact whatsoever on the game...I'm sorry but no. You have to recognize that you can essentially buy GOLD with real money. This means that ANYTHING that can be traded between players can be bought by real money. I seriously don't see how that can't give players some kind of advantage. So really, I think there ARE some P2W elements to the cash shop. To deny them is to be blind. And on the other token, for everyone saying that the cash shop will make GW2 completely P2W...I'm sorry but no. The competitive PvP will be COMPLETELY unaffected by the CS because it is ALWAYS played on a level playing field. And as for PvE...GW2 won't have an item grind as intense as games like WoW do, so even though players will very likely get an advantage through CS purchases...it won't take long for other players to catch up. So basically...the cash shop is not all good. There are things about it that seriously bother and concern me. That said, I'm not crazy enough to believe that the CS will entirely destroy GW2 and turn it into a P2W F2P game. Are you team Azeroth, team Tyria, or team Jacob? |
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4/09/12 1:10:28 PM#23
Originally posted by Ceridith we know (from leaks) what were in the loot boxes... random loot.. as in the same things the mobs drop >.< and if you mean the chests they drop the buffs and the same random loot.
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Ceridith
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Joined: 11/24/09
The more you hype an upcoming game in your mind, the more it will fail to meet your expectations. |
4/09/12 1:15:29 PM#24
Originally posted by ariboersma Again, you're making the assumption that what was leaked covered everything. What you know is still limited to the scope of the leak. |
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4/09/12 1:17:46 PM#25
Originally posted by Creslin321 In all honestly, I have no idea how this particular aspect will play out. Some folks have brought up Eve and it's PLEX system, but as I've not played Eve I can't really comment. Advantage? In what sense really. Will having a lot of gold give me an advantage over other players? Depends. We won't truly know the effect of such a system until after launch. "For the Angel of Death spread his wings on the blast, |
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4/09/12 1:19:42 PM#26
The folks that buy gold from gold sellers in games like WOW are PTW. They are breaking their contract with the Blizzard franchise as well. If you have ever done this then you are PTW and dishonest to boot. In GW2, everyone has the same opportunity to use the built-in mechanics of the game to succeed with their personal goals...they have CHOICE and they can use it honestly.
I'd much rather be playing next to honest folks than not.
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4/09/12 1:19:54 PM#27
Originally posted by Ceridith so let me get this straight you think that there is some hidden rare item in these chests that make you way more powerful than anyone else? Seeing as how the specifically said this would not occur and they have been a trustworthy company so far.. I don;t see how you can think that or are you normally paranoid about things for no reason?
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4/09/12 1:22:12 PM#28
Originally posted by Ceridith And you are making the assumption that ANet is dumb enough to put in that kind of gear, READ what ANet says, not what MMORPG fan base says, do YOUR research, don't let others do it for you, and if you're going to leak CB1 CS pics, why the HELL would you NOT put in the P2W aspect of it?! THAT MAKES 0 SENSE, "let's see, today I am testing GW2 first closed beta for the cash shop..... O!!! I should leak some photos of it and cause a HUGE debate over all the fan sites of MMO's becuase i know it will get everyones attention, then, just to top it off, i'm not even going to put the P2W stuff in the leaked photos It doesn't make sense. And me grabbing at the fact that those leaked photos were all the could be leaked, as in there isn't anything else, is not nearly as bad as you reaching for something that 1) hasn't been pictured 2) has not been talked about, and 3) goes against everything the devs have said Stop riding the invisible hate-wagon. Concern is completely fine, i understand it, but you are grabbing straws my friend. And the only reason i wrote this post is cause you called me "foolhardy" when in reality, i'm taking the facts as i see them, and you, are making assumptions on something based off other games. I could SOOOOOO be wrong about the CS. no doubt about that, but at this point you are wrong by making the assumptions. The "Youtube Pro": Someone who watches video's on said subject, and obviously has a full understanding of what is being said about such subject. |
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4/09/12 1:24:57 PM#29
Did someone pay to make D3 a MMO?!
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4/09/12 1:27:18 PM#30
Originally posted by Xthos an MMO... but what? no idea what you are talking about.
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4/09/12 1:29:33 PM#31
Originally posted by ariboersma I am making light of the op comparisson, why would you even try to compare a mmo with a non-mmo...Since it is all about what you can buy anymore, I figured I would ask if someone paid for the upgrade in status.... |
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4/09/12 1:32:41 PM#32
We need to see the cash shop for what it is: A Way for ANet to make more money They are not doing it for any other reason than this. To make more money there needs to be things in the cash shop that people want. Now, funky clothes and pets etc - fluff items, are all well and good, and I really hope this is how the cash shop ends up, but I really dont think it will. To make money ANet need to put things in the cash shop that people really want. Are enough people goung to really want a different coloured hat etc enough to pay real money for it? Maybe, some people have more money than sense, but the earners on any cash shop I have ever seen are things like XP boosts, speed boosts - anything that gives the player an advantage in the game. People seem to want that and are willing to spend money to "get ahead". This is a slippery slope to go down. Currently there are no mounts in GW2. I bet there will be a couple of months after launch though - via the cash shop. As there is already a mechanism in the game that allows for speed boost outside of combat when weapons are not drawn then they could just add mounts as a "skin" that makes it look like you are on a mount but gives you no speed boost over people without a mount. But are enough people going to really want that? Maybe, as I said above, some people have more money than sense, but you can guarantee that people will want the mount if it gives them a speed boost over other players. Taking into account that the cash shop is a way to make money pure and simple which do you think they would go for? This is why the current trend for cash shops(not just in GW2) is a slippery slope. Cluck Cluck, Gibber Gibber, My Old Mans A Mushroom |
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Originally posted by Xthos From Diablofans.com: "The fear is as with Diablo 2's third party vendors, a player willing to spend the money can simply buy their way to victory. Although Blizzard won't be creating, or selling items themselves the ability to buy items, and thus power still remains via purchasing from other players through the AH. I do think the comparison is valid, since while the campaign is single-player, the PvP is obviously not. No it's not an MMO, but it does involve competition with other players in which a cash shop could give an advantage, similar to the complaints about GW2 WvW. Does that clarify the issue for you? "Loading screens" are not "instances". |
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4/09/12 1:35:50 PM#34
my simple philosophy for games with cash shops
if i can aquire all the items in the cash shop by simply playing the game then fine
if not i would have known before the game was released and not purchased
added after release i would stop playing/subscribing and boycott developer - again if items can not be aquired by simply playing the game
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4/09/12 1:35:55 PM#35
People complaining about pay2win usually have no idea what itt is. They just like the word. They have never experienced it. It's like a 18 year old kid attempting to tell a war veteran how to fire on enemy targets because he's a world champ of Call 2 Duty.
I've been in a pay2win game. YOu will know when an item is needed to win. They will tell you in game, yeah you can get this item but it will take you 2 weeks to get 1 and you need 5. They will charge 10 bucks per this item. there will not need to be a 10 page thread debating whether it's pay2win or not, even the most die hard fans will be able to see it.
Anet has never done anytihing like this. They actually have cash shops in other games and have not. Other successful MMOs have not had to institute such tactics either. |
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Originally posted by stragen001 They may introduce mounts at some point, who knows? But from what I've seen, with the fast-travel teleport system it sort of makes them less than useful, IMO. But yes, at some point they MAY introduce desireable items to stimulate revenue, that is a reasonable concern though one with no evidence supporting it yet. "Loading screens" are not "instances". |
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4/09/12 1:37:45 PM#37
The cash shop as people understand it to be at this point seems to be very similar to EVE.
You buy PLEX from CCP and then sell PLEX on the market for ISK.
You buy GEMS from ArenaNET and then sell GEMS on the market for GOLD.
I absolutely loved the economic system in EVE. Obviously they are far different in their complexity and scope. But certainly that system did not ruin the game. It's much easier to argue that EVE is pay to win because you actually can buy better stuff with ISK. In GW2 you really can't buy better stuff. And the guild buffs and siege equipment appears to be really cheap.
The bigger advantage to the GW2 system is that people can buy GEMS off the market in order to buy in store stuff. So players will actually be able to use in game gold to convert to cash shop items. I think for a player like me, this adds a nice option to the game that no other game I have played has.
I personally think people tend to have kneejerk reactions to cash shops. I know I used to back in the day. But looking at this one, it really does look to me like, at least so far, they are building a fair and interesting cash shop. More real life money spent does equal more easily attainable gold and cosmetic items. Hopefully, it also means that I get a better experience through free updates and content.
SWTOR is the greatest mmo ever! |
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4/09/12 1:39:28 PM#38
Originally posted by Xthos I think its a fair comparisson because both games are pay once, play online for as long as the game is online.They are both big name games with a huge following. Both have a money based feature that is in question for similar reasons.
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GeezerGamer
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Joined: 4/03/12
Who ever said "Familiarity breeds contempt" didn't have an internet connection. |
4/09/12 1:42:04 PM#39
GW2 has certainly redefined the genre Buying gold with real money is no longer P2W If the conversation turned "Tit-for-Tat", and I've stopped posting, Consider it your win. |
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4/09/12 1:44:12 PM#40
Originally posted by Ceridith Shoot me this information because I would love to see it. Everything I've seen offers no advantage to players. Big deal, so someone can save some time leveling by buying an XP boost (basically mostly time saving/cosmetic stuff). Don't bring up influence either please since we've been over that a million times regarding Supply.
The day they start selling items you cannot obtain in game, permanent stats and things like this, then I can see an issue. I haven't seen any of this though. Everything I've seen is temporary, and nobody is going to win via PvP through some temporary rewards when many other factors can negate them. |
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