Originally posted by spankybus

Originally posted by brody71

these "what does hype really mean?" threads are becoming more common than ebola.  is there a point to this?

 

Ebola is pretty rare, actually. Just sayin...

closest comparison that came to my mind at the time.  these threads aren't too common either.  just more-so now than say ebola.

Theres a difference between False Hype and Real Hype.

• Thousands of quests across 80+ zones; 7 races; 8 character classes; 600 + monsters.
• “Big ass monster battles” against an advanced enemy AI.
• Amazing and lovely game scenery powered by Unreal Engine 3.
• No factions exist in ****, making character interaction for social, political, and economic reasons much more necessary.
• Search for adventure and excitement throughout a game galaxy more than 30,000 parsecs wide
• 20 writers worked together for a total of over 60 man-years of labor on the game's story and writing.
• CGI trailers with not once piece of IN game footage.

So how does the "Hype-Level" meter on this site fit in to that definition.   That could be "over hyped" as in the meter being too high.  Hiding behind a dictionary is never good.

Originally posted by Xthos

Originally posted by joocheese

Originally posted by Xthos

Originally posted by joocheese

Originally posted by heartless

Originally posted by GeezerGamer

Originally posted by Somsbal

This thread is now about the cash shop.

What else is new

I can't wait until the game launches. The first thing I'm going to do is buy myself a whole crapload of unfair advantages at the cash shop. That'll teach 'em.

Heartless, hope to see you in wvw, look forward to kicking your  cash-shopped ass! :-p

 Uhm....You forgot, he paid to win....Wouldn't be winning, if he lost!  If you pay enough, you can make the zone you are in travel back in time, and correct a defeat in PvP....That is until the heal button comes into play that is a '$' symbol in the UI...It is $5 to hit it, and will completely heal you, no cool down, with a 1 second invul bubble, to insure if you spend enough, you can never die.

What if both Heartless and I pay to win and we meet in an epic battle in the mists? We both can't win. So, either P2W somehow breaks the laws of logic or the CS trolls need to go back to playing WOW (where trolls belong).

HEARTLESS! you better be there in the mists!! I will be looking for you!! I will be highly dissapointed if I do not get to fight you and pummel your face to the ground! :-p

 It will create a phasing effect and will make you both think you won!  Then when you talk trash to each other, you will both think the other one is crazy.

 

In that case, I look forward to kicking Heartless' CS'd ass in the mists.

Going back to the topic at hand (i.e. hype). I am very excited (hyped) about GW2 and can't wait to get my paws on it. I still don't see why people have an issue with other people's excitement over a game. I understand the whole getting burned by games, God knows I have been burned many times by poorly executed games (TOR, Rift, Aion, AoC, Warhammer, etc). As long as the excitement is reasonable and based on facts and not made up/rumor, I see no problem with it.

Let the negative nancy's of the world pout in the corner, I have no problem with that

Originally posted by Xthos

Originally posted by joocheese

Originally posted by Xthos

Originally posted by joocheese

Originally posted by heartless

Originally posted by GeezerGamer

Originally posted by Somsbal

This thread is now about the cash shop.

What else is new

I can't wait until the game launches. The first thing I'm going to do is buy myself a whole crapload of unfair advantages at the cash shop. That'll teach 'em.

Heartless, hope to see you in wvw, look forward to kicking your  cash-shopped ass! :-p

 Uhm....You forgot, he paid to win....Wouldn't be winning, if he lost!  If you pay enough, you can make the zone you are in travel back in time, and correct a defeat in PvP....That is until the heal button comes into play that is a '$' symbol in the UI...It is $5 to hit it, and will completely heal you, no cool down, with a 1 second invul bubble, to insure if you spend enough, you can never die.

What if both Heartless and I pay to win and we meet in an epic battle in the mists? We both can't win. So, either P2W somehow breaks the laws of logic or the CS trolls need to go back to playing WOW (where trolls belong).

HEARTLESS! you better be there in the mists!! I will be looking for you!! I will be highly dissapointed if I do not get to fight you and pummel your face to the ground! :-p

 It will create a phasing effect and will make you both think you won!  Then when you talk trash to each other, you will both think the other one is crazy.

 

It was actually stated by one of the developers at the last GDC that the above mentioned situation would actually cause the game to collapse in on itself, creating some sort of a cyberspace black hole, sucking in everything in it's path. It will be the end of the internet as we know it.

Originally posted by heartless

Originally posted by Xthos

Originally posted by joocheese

Originally posted by Xthos

Originally posted by joocheese

Originally posted by heartless

Originally posted by GeezerGamer

Originally posted by Somsbal

This thread is now about the cash shop.

What else is new

I can't wait until the game launches. The first thing I'm going to do is buy myself a whole crapload of unfair advantages at the cash shop. That'll teach 'em.

Heartless, hope to see you in wvw, look forward to kicking your  cash-shopped ass! :-p

 Uhm....You forgot, he paid to win....Wouldn't be winning, if he lost!  If you pay enough, you can make the zone you are in travel back in time, and correct a defeat in PvP....That is until the heal button comes into play that is a '$' symbol in the UI...It is $5 to hit it, and will completely heal you, no cool down, with a 1 second invul bubble, to insure if you spend enough, you can never die.

What if both Heartless and I pay to win and we meet in an epic battle in the mists? We both can't win. So, either P2W somehow breaks the laws of logic or the CS trolls need to go back to playing WOW (where trolls belong).

HEARTLESS! you better be there in the mists!! I will be looking for you!! I will be highly dissapointed if I do not get to fight you and pummel your face to the ground! :-p

 It will create a phasing effect and will make you both think you won!  Then when you talk trash to each other, you will both think the other one is crazy.

 

It was actually stated by one of the developers at the last GDC that the above mentioned situation would actually cause the game to collapse in on itself, creating some sort of a cyberspace black hole, sucking in everything in it's path. It will be the end of the internet as we know it.

Well, no better fitting of an end to the internet. I say bring it on! I will be highly dissapointed if we end up in the same server Heartless. Though I would rather kill you time and time again, it would still be fun to kill others by your side. Either way I get to kill and be killed! WOOT!

Originally posted by Ausare

So how does the "Hype-Level" meter on this site fit in to that definition.   That could be "over hyped" as in the meter being too high.  Hiding behind a dictionary is never good.

Anet has just recieved a shipment from EA, the Hero Engine. Everything is fine now.

EA Games needs to stop making video games. Unlike Midas, everything they touch turns into shit.

Originally posted by brody71

these "what does hype really mean?" threads are becoming more common than ebola.  is there a point to this?

I don't see one.  I don't see the reason for attacking, or defending "hype".  And I see even less point in discussing the amount of hype a game gets and what that means to the game.  The will be what the game will be.

I don't care; put the game in my hands for 10-15 hours to try it out, and I'll decide if I want to buy it.  I'm not saying this to sound "superior".  Matter of fact, I say it because I think most people feel the same way.

Originally posted by GWFandaddy

There are any number of threads in which cash shop, p2w is being, or has been discussed.  Please stay on topic.

He was on topic he was only using the cash-shop as a means to present an example of the point he was making, how hard is it to see that?

wow, been in the forums for just one day and I'm already tired of the CS trolls... is there anything of real substance that we can discuss?

Originally posted by GWFandaddy

verb (used with object)

1.to stimulate, excite, or agitate (usually followed by up ): She was hyped up at the thought of owning her own car.

2.to create interest in by flamboyant or dramatic methods; promote or publicize showily: a promoter who knows how to hype a prizefight.

3.to intensify (advertising, promotion, or publicity) by ingenious or questionable claims, methods, etc. (usually followed by up ).

4.to trick; gull.

noun

5.exaggerated publicity; hoopla.

6.an ingenious or questionable claim, method, etc., used in advertising, promotion, or publicity to intensify the effect.

7.a swindle, deception, or trick.

 

All over this board, there is a constant trolling, er, I mean theme, in many posts regarding the "hype" surrounding GW2.  Those definitions in red can't be known until after launch.  So, lets stick to the first definition, for now.  "Overhyped", is not a word, and "over hyped" is unecessary, "hype" does a fine job of explaining what we're talking about by itself.

 

So, who's responsible for this seemingly unfortunate and ubiquitous evil, "hype"?  The first suspect of course is Anet.  What have they done, to create this beastie called hype?  They've explained there design philosophy.  They've shown screenshots, and videos of gameplay.  They've done multiple interviews in regards to game mechanics.  They've sat on panels to answer questions regarding nearly everything about the game.  Is this not expected behaviour from a gaming company with a product in development?  As I said, only after launch can we know whether they've exxagerated, or attempted to deceive or swindle. 

 

So, have they succeeded in hyping the game?  I think they have.  But, isn't it a natural consequence of the overall previews they've given into the product they're developing?  I think it is, and I think it's not some kind of evil boogeyman many here try to portray it as.  I think for some, no matter the level of information, they would complain.  If they didn't get enough information, we would hear, "it's vaporware, it's never coming out", or, "what are they hiding, it must be fail".  Too much information, or, even information that shows it's going to be a quality product, and you get, "it's way overhyped", and "remember Lord of Conans Heroes, it was hyped like this too, fail". 

 

The next suspect is the gaming press.  Have they hyped the game?  Certainly they have.  What are they suppose to do?  Well, they're suppose to look into the game, and report what they see.  Apparently, they like what they see.  For some, that's a bad thing, because, it helps to further empower the "hype monster".  I really don't know how you get around it.  If the product is good, then the press should say so, and they have.  Is it a conspiracy, the gaming press knows it really sucks, but, because NCSoft is such a behemouth in the gaming world, the press feel they need to kiss ass?  I don't think so.  We're not talking about EA here folks. (thank god)

 

And finally the fans.  Ah yes, fanbois aplenty.  Especially those of us with years of expeience with GW.  We know how Anet operates, we've seen all the interviews, the panels, read the press, seen the videos, some have even participated in beta, and are naturally excited by way of the evidence so far provided.  Have we all been brain-jacked, and get some kind of direct marching instructions from Anet?  No, we just like what we've seen to this point, simple as that.  Are we all sure it's going to be perfect?  Absolutely not.  Do we have concerns, misgivings, and otherwise not sure that we agree with all of the design philosophies that have gone into the game?  Sure we do, and if we didn't have to run around the board putting out the grassfires of misinformation that some here start, intentionally or unintentionally, you might have a completely different opinion of the GW2 community.  Why?  Because you would see more critical posts from us regarding our concerns.  Unfortunately, I think we too often take the bate, and spend our time debating nonsense, instead of really delving into what we believe may be the games shortcomings.

 

Hype, as defined here, is natural, intended, and necessary.  Marketing is hype.  Why would you create a product, and then not market it?  So from now on, when you decide to start another thread regarding hype, please state your intention.  Other than questions regarding the marketing of GW2, you can't really post anything regarding hype, until after launch, because we simply do not, and can not, know.

 

EDIT: Ok, I suppose flamboyant and dramatic methods can be included.  Please let me know if you see Don King, or the Shamwow guy promoting GW2, we'll discuss 

Well that was a waste of two minutes of my life reading that pseudo-intellectual rubbish. What a pointless post.

Pseudo - adj

1. pretended, false, spurious, trying to be

Originally posted by joocheese

wow, been in the forums for just one day and I'm already tired of the CS trolls... is there anything of real substance that we can discuss?

Not until ArenaNet gives us something of substance. Until then, be prepared for every thread to turn into a Cash Shop thread.

Originally posted by Master10K

Originally posted by joocheese

wow, been in the forums for just one day and I'm already tired of the CS trolls... is there anything of real substance that we can discuss?

Not until ArenaNet gives us something of substance. Until then, be prepared for every thread to turn into a Cash Shop thread.

Wish the trolls would go back to playing WOW/TOR and leave us who are interested in discussions of substance alone. From what I gather, in regards to the CS, many opinions, very little fact. There is so much more to GW2, surely there are more interesting things to discuss

Originally posted by GWFandaddy

Originally posted by just1opinion

Originally posted by Bunks

I have an easier way to explain it. Hype is when someone tells you they got a great gift for you, excitement is when you see what it is you got.

 

I already know more about this game, heck I have watched more than 20+ hours of gameplay, it's hard to tell me anything more about the game. The only thing left is for me to see how the twitch response of the keyboard feels. Other than that, I already know the whole starting areas from level 1-15 on both the Norn and Human zones.

 

So no, I am not hyped, I am excited. Because unlike other games in the past, the more of this game i get to see, the more I get excited to play it. That doesn't mean it's perfect. It just means it has all the parts of a game I already like.

 

 

 

PS: Hype is slang for hyperbole- an exaggerations to create emphasis or effect. CGI & Advertising is hype. Seeing actual gameplay is not.

 

I like YOUR post as much as the OP's.  Bravo.

Nooooooo!  Darn it, you're saying I could've said what I said with way fewer words.  Next time I have something to say, I'm just going to message Bunks with an idea, and let him say it. 

Good idea Mr Verbose.

Originally posted by Robsolf

Originally posted by brody71

these "what does hype really mean?" threads are becoming more common than ebola.  is there a point to this?

I don't see one.  I don't see the reason for attacking, or defending "hype".  And I see even less point in discussing the amount of hype a game gets and what that means to the game.  The will be what the game will be.

I don't care; put the game in my hands for 10-15 hours to try it out, and I'll decide if I want to buy it.  I'm not saying this to sound "superior".  Matter of fact, I say it because I think most people feel the same way.

 

 

and this is what will happen. You'll probably see 1.5-2.5 million sales initially. NCsoft will love it, Anet will be happy and those who never really wanted to play the game or their competitors will whine, cry, and bash the game. But the product will be in people's hands and no matter what is said, they will play it or not based on their in game experience. Most people already know what to expect based on all the gameplay footage out there. That is where the so called hype is coming from.

All the gnashing is just the butthurt people who don't like the flavor of the game, or the way they are enforcing it. For once, I'm glad they finally made a game that has the ingredients that I like in a game, it's been a long time waiting for one. I wished it were SWTOR, since i prefer sci-fi over fantasy themes, but oh well. This will do.

The Hype Monster can not be killed and has a very short respawn timer.

Originally posted by joocheese

Originally posted by Master10K

Originally posted by joocheese

wow, been in the forums for just one day and I'm already tired of the CS trolls... is there anything of real substance that we can discuss?

Not until ArenaNet gives us something of substance. Until then, be prepared for every thread to turn into a Cash Shop thread.

Wish the trolls would go back to playing WOW/TOR and leave us who are interested in discussions of substance alone. From what I gather, in regards to the CS, many opinions, very little fact. There is so much more to GW2, surely there are more interesting things to discuss

We are 8 pages into a definition of hype thread, and people want a discussion of substance?

LOL

Originally posted by Matt_UK

 

Well that was a waste of two minutes of my life reading that pseudo-intellectual rubbish. What a pointless post.

 

Pseudo - adj

1. pretended, false, spurious, trying to be

pseudo-intellectual, Awesome!  So, you're saying I'm getting there, right?  In another post you call me "Mr. Verbose", after having quoted my entire post.  Nice form.

Originally posted by GeezerGamer

Originally posted by joocheese

Originally posted by Master10K

Originally posted by joocheese

wow, been in the forums for just one day and I'm already tired of the CS trolls... is there anything of real substance that we can discuss?

Not until ArenaNet gives us something of substance. Until then, be prepared for every thread to turn into a Cash Shop thread.

Wish the trolls would go back to playing WOW/TOR and leave us who are interested in discussions of substance alone. From what I gather, in regards to the CS, many opinions, very little fact. There is so much more to GW2, surely there are more interesting things to discuss

We are 8 pages into a definition of hype thread, and people want a discussion of substance?

LOL

Can we please go back to the discussion about the cash shop and how I'm going to use it to purchase a whole bunch of unfair advantages and P2W the whole game a day or two after launch?