Originally posted by Bunks

Not to worry OP, D3 is going to kill your beloved light saber game long before GW2 has a chance to finish it off.

If.... it takes 3-6 months for people to determine if the game is bad...

... wouldn't that mean there's 3-6 months of enjoyable gameplay?  Or do people usually play 3-6 months of a bad game before they decide they didn't have fun the whole time?

3-6 months of good gameplay for 60 dollars is a steal, even if it sours after that.

... and unlike a subscription game, you're not tacking on an extra 45-90 dollars over that time period.

Thanks!  You've just convinced me to prepurchase.  I like you more already, Monorojo.  Let's be pals.

(edit:  Though I do think it's a little crass for an Arenanet employee to pretend to be down on the game as a way to secretly point out why people should preorder the game.  Oh well.  Your secret is safe with me.)

Originally posted by Bunks

Not to worry OP, D3 is going to kill your beloved light saber game long before GW2 has a chance to finish it off.

Which is good because A-net's, pay to win, cash shop will torpedo GW2 to the depths faster than the Lusitania.

Gee, aren't juvenile insults masquerading as unsubstantiated and foolish game predictions fun.

Really Bunks, posts like this aren't helping to defend this game's reputation one iota. And actually makes those of us with a generally positive outlook of the game look like a bunch of spoiled prats.

Most games cost 60 bucks and have a weeks or two worth of gameplay... if GW2 is good for 3-6 months or more.. then it's well worth it.

But really, what a stupid thread. Why would unrealistic hype change anything about the actual game itself? It doesn't, so if you're going to wait 3-6 months you may as well just buy it day one... there will be no actual difference... except maybe a couple updates..

The best moments, the best pvp, the best stories, the great emotions while waiting for the server to come up and come up again after a crash, the first meetings of new people, new guilds, world firsts, the exploration, the conquering and all the fresh new things happen ... well, in the time you want to avoid.

have fun, while we play a new great game and already throw it away and go on - when you finally decide to spend 40 bucks ;)

Originally posted by Tardcore

Originally posted by Bunks

Not to worry OP, D3 is going to kill your beloved light saber game long before GW2 has a chance to finish it off.

Which is good because A-net's, pay to win, cash shop will torpedo GW2 to the depths faster than the Lusitania.

Gee, aren't juvenile insults masquerading as unsubstantiated and foolish game predictions fun.

Really Bunks, posts like this aren't helping to defend this game's reputation one iota. And actually makes those of us with a generally positive outlook of the game look like a bunch of spoiled prats.

Sorry, I like to throw sarcasm in the face of child like temper tantrums, especially the written kind like this thread. It deserves to be deleted, not entertained.

About all games are on launch bugged and laggy like crazy, and everything about them exaggerated to weird extends. I wouldn't preorder games, and only in rare cases buy them on launch. If you lpay a game a month or two after release, or during the first hour, ain't much of a difference. Except that most of the lag will be gone, there won't be any queues, the worst bugs will be fixed, reviews will be available (those which ain't just ads in disguise) and so on.

Originally posted by Bunks

Originally posted by Tardcore

Originally posted by Bunks

Not to worry OP, D3 is going to kill your beloved light saber game long before GW2 has a chance to finish it off.

Which is good because A-net's, pay to win, cash shop will torpedo GW2 to the depths faster than the Lusitania.

Gee, aren't juvenile insults masquerading as unsubstantiated and foolish game predictions fun.

Really Bunks, posts like this aren't helping to defend this game's reputation one iota. And actually makes those of us with a generally positive outlook of the game look like a bunch of spoiled prats.

Sorry, I like to throw sarcasm in the face of child like temper tantrums, especially the written kind like this thread. It deserves to be deleted, not entertained.

No worries, I've been guilty of the same thing myself. Just giving the caveat that such things have the potential to harm your own argument rather than his.

Watch the video's on youtube with the commentary turned off, judge the game play yourself. Too simple? The game play looks too much like fun to me. I'd rather watch 8 cool downs than have to watch 80.
In fact, all your negative points in the OP are pre-judgements based on what?

The cash shop hasn't even been fully announced yet, any speculation on the game ending up a P2W is exactly that, speculation. ANet have promised it will only add flavour items, services and items that add to the fun of the game. The best gear you'll get will be from in game actions, the gear isn't even the iwin it is in the likes of WoW. Skill, planning and tactics are far more important than gear.

Simplistic combat based on what exactly? With a few minor exceptions all mmo's out there use a toolbar with buttons to click and cool downs to watch. Enemy AI is always simplistic till you get to bosses then it comes to situational awareness and skill. I find myself baffled by the complexity they've added to some of these classes, they each have their own little quirks. Engineer's toolkit, Thief’s initiative and stealing, guardians auras and even the whole downed state. ANet have by all accounts created a combat system that's going to be easy enough to play but hard to master.

unbalanced zerg fest that is WvWvW. The only video's I've seen of WvWvW have been from the beta servers. I've never seen a game video that's populated in beta. Ofc the sides will be imbalanced, they probably only have a few hundred players on each side. As for the zergfest, when I hear that I think Tol Barad and Wintergrasp (both of which are still very popular). Having a dynamitic and fast paced pvp environment is essential to keep the pvpers engaged.

I think your giving too much attention to the haters and Nah-Sayers, it's not hype your experiancing it's excitement.

TL;DR - I'll be buying it at release, not because people say it looks awesome but because it does look awesome. Stop pandaing to the wow groupies who are praying to cthun that it'll fail, make up your own mind by reading up on the details at the GW2 wiki and watch some video's. (TIP: If the video say's "I will/wont be buying this game because___", then it's an expression of someone elses opinion, go for the professional bodies...total biscuit is my personal favourite, he just tells it how it is)

Originally posted by Bunks

Sorry, I like to throw sarcasm in the face of child like temper tantrums, especially the written kind like this thread. It deserves to be deleted, not entertained.

Nothing wrong with sarcasm, just try doing it gentler, rather than mean.

Be polite about it!  Be calm and serene.  Be the zen garden to their incoherent rage.

It makes your side look classier. :D

Originally posted by Monorojo

I'm sorry but I have been tricked by this level of hype before and I will not be tricked again. With the (arguably) pay to win model, the incredibly simplistic combat, the unbalanced zerg fest that is WvWvW, etc....I just do not see what the fanatics are smoking.

 

I have high hopes for Guild Wars 2 but will not be playing until the unrealistic hype is crushed and the game is brought back down to earth.

I wont be waiting but it has nothing to do with the hype. It has to do with I like what I have SEEN in footage so far. I have seen flaws for sure but I have seen enough to make me interested enough to buy it. Not to mention soon enough you will start seeing alot of "player" views once the first non press beta event happens.

I also want to counter a couple of your points. I wont say anything about the cash shop since we just dont know enough yet. A person can assume what they saw is what they will get. I just prefer to wait and see.

I definitly did not see the same thing you did with combat. Its a fairly complex system with a fairly large amount of skills to learn. At least if you want to be the best you can be. I saw a bunch of people that didnt have time to learn the system verry well. Again, I may be completely wrong but I just dont see anything simplistic where you will have to know what weapons do what, which weapons counter what and then add in traits ect ontop of that.

As for the WvW being unbalanced and zerg. Uh duh? The devs have said themselves thats what WvW will be, unbalanced chaos.

Originally posted by Meowhead

Originally posted by Bunks

Sorry, I like to throw sarcasm in the face of child like temper tantrums, especially the written kind like this thread. It deserves to be deleted, not entertained.

Nothing wrong with sarcasm, just try doing it gentler, rather than mean.

Be polite about it!  Be calm and serene.  Be the zen garden to their incoherent rage.

It makes your side look classier. :D

What a load of complete . . .  er . . .  . . . er . . . I have no choice but to wish you good Karma . .  DAMN IT!!

Good day sir!

I am skipping it for the first 3 months, but mainly to play D3.  I'll definitely be reading these and the official forums after release. 

I'll be keeping a close eye on it for the first 3 months. If people still say how good it is then I'll be testing it out, if I like it, then I'll be buying a new PC for it. 

Looking promising, but I thought that about WAR a few years back and don't wish to relive that type of disappointment again.

Unrealistic Hype?

Actually i´m hypped for what they already have working "in game"....

I mean...they are just promoting what is implemented in the game... not selling ideas...or promises....

There are plenty of gameplays videos on the net....and upcoming Beta events to try it for yourself ;)

I´m hyped for what there is.

I´m buying on day one.

Do you ever wonder if companies like Blizzard have a ,"Dirty Tricks Department ", whose job is to go on Gaming sites and tear and rip at other games,especially upcoming games they fear will take their players? Maybe I am naieve and you are , ",,,well duh,of course they do...". I even wonder if they send people into other games to troll and grief other gamers playing the conpetition. That would expalain the spurt of WoW- type behavior you see in otherwise good populations sometimes. Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean someone isn't really trying to kill you.  :OP

Originally posted by Zzad

Unrealistic Hype?

Actually i´m hypped for what they already have working "in game"....

I mean...they are just promoting what is implemented in the game... not selling ideas...or promises....

There are plenty of gameplays videos on the net....and upcoming Beta events to try it for yourself ;)

I´m hyped for what there is.

I´m buying on day one.

Understand what your saying bud, but what you have to realize is there is a massive difference from watching a gameplay video to actually playing the game itself. SWTOR looks, in my opinion, fun to play, however playing it was incredibly boring. 

We'll all find out this year though I guess.

EDIT: Not everyone will be able to take part in the Beta events, therefore using gameplay videos as their only source to make an opinion on the game. 

But have to say, some gameplay videos make the game look pretty awful, but others make it look truely epic. 

Originally posted by Boatsmate

Do you ever wonder if companies like Blizzard have a ,"Dirty Tricks Department ", whose job is to go on Gaming sites and tear and rip at other games,especially upcoming games they fear will take their players? Maybe I am naieve and you are , ",,,well duh,of course they do...". I even wonder if they send people into other games to troll and grief other gamers playing the conpetition. That would expalain the spurt of WoW- type behavior you see in otherwise good populations sometimes. Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean someone isn't really trying to kill you.  :OP

I just dont see why a company with that much money, and such vast percentage more customers, would bother. Hell with their income they could just hire a team of ninjas to storm their competitior's offices.

Originally posted by Tardcore

Originally posted by Boatsmate

Do you ever wonder if companies like Blizzard have a ,"Dirty Tricks Department ", whose job is to go on Gaming sites and tear and rip at other games,especially upcoming games they fear will take their players? Maybe I am naieve and you are , ",,,well duh,of course they do...". I even wonder if they send people into other games to troll and grief other gamers playing the conpetition. That would expalain the spurt of WoW- type behavior you see in otherwise good populations sometimes. Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean someone isn't really trying to kill you.  :OP

I just dont see why a company with that much money, and such vast percentage more customers, would bother. Hell with their income they could just hire a team of ninjas to storm their competitior's offices.

Because smearing your competition tends to be far more effective, and legal, then literally hiring people to kill them?

Why publicly destroy someone, when you could spend less money forcing them to destroy themselves? Hire some kids to raid the games forums, making a mod's life a living hell. You can buy that on the cheap.

However, I doubt any company would have a 'department' for this. Can you imagine the lunch conversations 'hey what do you do here?' 'Oh.. I destroy other people's games', wouldn't be very good for morale. It's usually the type of thing you hire a 3rd party to do for you, usually in a 'don't ask, don't tell' type of relationship.

I will definitly be pre-ordering this one.

Its been a long time since I have done that, but after all the videos and commentary, its a pretty safe bet. This game offers everything I want.