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4/08/12 6:28:13 PM#21
Originally posted by Yamota This is why you see picketers and protesters on sidewalks, parks, etc. It would be pretty unconstitutional to allow these people to protest inside another persons private space that they own or pay rent for. Are you saying you would not mind it if I walked into your home and started spouting off my views and the law required me to be able to do that and you could not make me leave? If you want to express your views online you can make your own website and do so - THAT is freedom of speech as is protected by the constituion. - MMORPG.COM Staff - |
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While I take on board your other comments in this post which I can't comment on does this not strike to the heart of the whole MMORPG space that people comment on bad games that just copy the next best seller????
I used to love to play SWG until WoW was released.......
I was under the impression that the only way to get things improved was to complain about them ??? (That's how I got a Spot Light poster tag???) While I understand your comments - You have to admit that Ad people will only place ads where they think it will benefit their product and ads must be a big part of your revenue stream ??? |
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4/08/12 6:34:55 PM#23
Originally posted by Breezeycouk As the guy that sells advertising I can tell you that most advertisers don't even pay attention to our forums. They care mostly aobut ads in one place - the Home Page. Most ad buyers shy away from buying ads on forum pages as they don't perform well and are generally made up of educated users that already have their mind made up about something. They would rather try to catch people hitting our home page or articles from Google searches and such. Advertisers are not fools, they know very well that a lot of people love and hate their products. We encourage users to complain and share all feedback (if constructive) - and I don't really get involved with forum moderation but our Community Manager was given direction by us in management years ago to clean things up a bit because we had a LOT of users complaining about all the anger on our forums. Mike took steps to try and contain all the negativity while still allowing people to post their views - I think he did a lot of this by moving it into sticky threads and requiring people to elaborate more about why they don't like a game, etc. - MMORPG.COM Staff - |
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Yamota
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Joined: 10/05/03
There's a beast within every man that stirs when you put a sword in his hand |
4/08/12 6:35:31 PM#24
Originally posted by Admin My home and a public internet forum is not the same, not by a long shot. So obviously going to people's homes, without their consent, should not be allowed. And freedom of speech is not an exclusive US invention. It is mentioned in the UN declarations of human rights and interestingly it does not say that private corporations are exempt. I know that in US you hold private corporations sacred but most other countries hold freedom of speech even more sacred. Once you go down the road of saying that freedom of speech is a right but not in this place and that place and only in some cases, then you are on a slippery slope.  |
Originally posted by Admin
Okay People - I didn't mean for this to become a whole positional Freedom of Speech PoV. We have issues in the UK with websites "editing" or "locking" posts that the editors do not agree with. My thought was that as long as the post is not offensive to any people, colour, religion, creed or anything else that might break the US Consitional Law then surely it should be seen as feed back to the vendor in question.
We just want to play goods games and I am sick of playing clones or poor quality / unfinshed / unsupported ones. |
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4/08/12 6:37:23 PM#26
Originally posted by Sakeraso I disagree. I have been fairly critical over certain aspects of Guild Wars 2 recently, as have many others, and I have never once seen such a thread deleted. Threads are however frequently locked to avoid duplication - there is no point having 6 threads discussing the exact same thing, and this applies to all topics. Often there are several threads created for breaking news and the mods tend to lock all but one so we can discuss it in one place. Cluck Cluck, Gibber Gibber, My Old Mans A Mushroom |
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4/08/12 6:38:48 PM#27
Mainly why I made mine to keep an up-to-date list of mmo release dates XD |
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4/08/12 6:39:28 PM#28
Originally posted by Breezeycouk We do our best to give you this envriornment. But I need you to see this from the other side of the fence too. Suppose you are an avid fan of - let' say the game Age of Conan. You come to MMORPG.com because you want to interact with other AoC players and perhaps strike up a new guild. You hit our main forums page and all you see is a page full of "OMG this game sucks" and "FunCom ruined this game", etc, etc, etc. Would you really want to use this site for your day to day forum for your game of choice? There has to be a happy middle ground and we try to achieve that the best we can. It is not an easy task. For every email/complaint we get about us moderating too strictly we get another one with someone saying we don't enforce our rules strictly enough and let too much garbage on the forums. There really is no winning in this battle. - MMORPG.COM Staff - |
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4/08/12 6:41:00 PM#29
Originally posted by Breezeycouk We have it, however it depends on how politically incorrect what you say is, pass a certain line and censorship can step in. Plus since this is a private site - Freedom of speech is at the discretion of the Minders. Currently bored with MMO's. |
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4/08/12 6:42:18 PM#30
Originally posted by Admin
No offense all this site has is trolls and haters who bash every game. Go to the swtor forums, GW2 forums half the threads are people saying why so and so game sucks or failed none of them have any positive value to this site or a fan of the game yet they're all allowed to keep posting negatively about the game over and over. |
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4/08/12 6:42:50 PM#31
Originally posted by Admin you are correct, but i will be brave here and say seeing so many omg this is the best game ever threads for 1 game is just as bad. Currently bored with MMO's. |
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4/08/12 6:43:25 PM#32
Originally posted by ElderRat
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Originally posted by Dragonantis
PPPPLLLEAASSSSEE - Dude...... |
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4/08/12 6:44:04 PM#34
Originally posted by Yamota In the US - Freedom of Speech allows you to say anything - and I mean anything. Racism, rape, torture, molestation - you can make a website about any of these topics and the government cannot take it down, unles you are directly using it to commit a crime. Are you trying to tell me that we should allow people to talk about the above things freely at MMORPG.com? No. This is a privately owned forum and we get to decide the rules. And I don't even think in the UK you could hold a protest in the lobby of a corporate office complex. I saw the "occupy" protests over there and they looked to me limited to public spaces. - MMORPG.COM Staff - |
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4/08/12 6:45:18 PM#35
Originally posted by Yamota Interesting excerpt from Wikipedia on First Amendment: State constitutions provide free speech protections similar to those of the U.S. Constitution. In a few states, such as California, a state constitution has been interpreted as providing more comprehensive protections than the First Amendment. The Supreme Court has permitted states to extend such enhanced protections, most notably in Pruneyard Shopping Center v. Robins, 447 U.S. 74 (1980). In that case, the Court unanimously ruled that while the First Amendment may allow private property owners to prohibit trespass by political speakers and petition-gatherers, California was permitted to restrict property owners whose property is equivalent to a traditional public forum (often shopping malls and grocery stores) from enforcing their private property rights to exclude such individuals Cluck Cluck, Gibber Gibber, My Old Mans A Mushroom |
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Skuz
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Joined: 12/25/08
"If you can''t laugh at yourself there''s always someone around to show you how it''s done!" |
4/08/12 6:45:18 PM#36
Just my take on so-called "Freedom of Speech" banner-wavers. Nobody has truly uninhibited "Free Speech", and the simple reason is that your speech is only free until it impinges upon someone else's rights, liberties or freedoms. So in essence "Free Speech" is a misleading term. |
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4/08/12 6:47:49 PM#37
Well, incase you didn't know, in America corporations are people too!
Their is plenty of places to picket, and speak your mind, I don't think any laws in the U.S. really keep you from it, I mean hell people pickett soldiers funerals with hate/anti-gay (due to gay people being in the military, not even to do with the individual soldier), hate groups like the KKK are even allowed to hold parades....Private property is private property, but sidewalks and such are not private property generally, so it's not like everything is 'private'...
I support what the Admin said, if they do a bad job, people stop using the site, it self regulates....You didn't seem to like the example, but the reply of slippery slope, well if you aren't willing to let me live in your house for free and do whatever I want in it, then I think you are on board with their being limits.
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4/08/12 6:48:30 PM#38
Originally posted by BillMurphy With all due respect, he should start by removing 500 of the 600+ titles instead of adding new ones. :) I suggest that every game in the game lists gets it's own sub-forum and the game gets automatically removed from the list when there hasn't been any forum activity for, say, 6 months. Might be a good method to shred all this dead weight. I maintain this List of Sandbox MMORPGs. Please post or send PM for corrections and suggestions. |
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4/08/12 6:48:52 PM#39
Originally posted by just1opinion I agree. While, I think it's good to point out the dated information, the lack of pool choices are a little insulting. I know which games are in what status, as far as the major titles, because I read about tech and games from a variety of sources. I imagine it's the same for most people here. So, good point, bad poll. :) Operating System Windows 8 Pro (64-bit) |
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4/08/12 6:50:16 PM#40
So Admin, whose office has the red phone that goes off anytime a comment is made about swtor that isn't glowing? Sorry, but there is an agenda with certain titles on this site. |
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