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  Admin

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Joined: 1/29/02
Posts: 4958

Gaming is life...

4/08/12 6:28:13 PM#21
Originally posted by Yamota
Originally posted by Admin
Originally posted by Breezeycouk
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by BillMurphy

Hey guys,

Just popping in to tell you that you can refer all Game List information to Jim Moreno.  He's culling through the list from A-Z and adding new games as we get them.  Please be patient, as it's not exactly a super-quick undertaking when the list is 600+ titles now.

Jimmoreno at MMORPG dot com

Thanks!

What about all the locking of threads that criticize advertiser's products and refering them back under one gnereic "catch All" sticky?

 

I would ask if this site is run from America or somewhere else - I am from the UK and we have issues over Free Speech here whereas I still think the US has the First Amendment ??? (please feel free to correct me if I have the Admendment selection incorrect)

Free speech applies only in a public place.  When you are using this website you are in a private space.  I encourage you to walk into your neighborhood McDonalds and start spouting off political views, hold up signs, etc and see how long until they escort you off their private property.

While we are bound to uphold your civil rights (like allowing people of all ethnic backgrounds, etc) we do not have to grant you freedom of speech...no more that I have freedom of speech at your dining table.

I always found this angle amusing. You have free speech but not in private property. So seeing as in countries like US where private corporations own almost everything then there is no real free speech is there?

Free speech should be absolute, either you have it or you dont. Either you can tell your mind or you cant.

 This is why you see picketers and protesters on sidewalks, parks, etc.  It would be pretty unconstitutional to allow these people to protest inside another persons private space that they own or pay rent for.  Are you saying you would not mind it if I walked into your home and started spouting off my views and the law required me to be able to do that and you could not make me leave?

If you want to express your views online you can make your own website and do so - THAT is freedom of speech as is protected by the constituion.

- MMORPG.COM Staff -

  Breezeycouk

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Joined: 4/18/06
Posts: 82

 
OP  4/08/12 6:28:51 PM#22

 

What this is more about is a while back we decided to try and improve our reputation of being the website where everyone came to trash on games.  It just made our forums have this dark negative cloud hanging over them and it drove away fans of games that came here to interact with fellow players of a particular game - what we had instead what a bunch of angry players hijacking topics and filling up the forums with hate posts.  This is just not a very welcoming enviornment for new users or people that actually like the game everyone is trashing on.

 

While I take on board your other comments in this post which I can't comment on does this not strike to the heart of the whole MMORPG space that people comment on bad games that just copy the next best seller????

 

I used to love to play SWG until WoW was released.......

 

I was under the impression that the only way to get things improved was to complain about them ???

(That's how I got a Spot Light poster tag???)

While I understand your comments - You have to admit that Ad people will only place ads where they think it will benefit their product and ads must be a big part of your revenue stream ???

  Admin

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Joined: 1/29/02
Posts: 4958

Gaming is life...

4/08/12 6:34:55 PM#23
Originally posted by Breezeycouk

 

What this is more about is a while back we decided to try and improve our reputation of being the website where everyone came to trash on games.  It just made our forums have this dark negative cloud hanging over them and it drove away fans of games that came here to interact with fellow players of a particular game - what we had instead what a bunch of angry players hijacking topics and filling up the forums with hate posts.  This is just not a very welcoming enviornment for new users or people that actually like the game everyone is trashing on.

 

While I take on board your other comments in this post which I can't comment on does this not strike to the heart of the whole MMORPG space that people comment on bad games that just copy the next best seller????

 

I used to love to play SWG until WoW was released.......

 

I was under the impression that the only way to get things improved was to complain about them ???

(That's how I got a Spot Light poster tag???)

While I understand your comments - You have to admit that Ad people will only place ads where they think it will benefit their product and ads must be a big part of your revenue stream ???

 As the guy that sells advertising I can tell you that most advertisers don't even pay attention to our forums.  They care mostly aobut ads in one place - the Home Page.  Most ad buyers shy away from buying ads on forum pages as they don't perform well and are generally made up of educated users that already have their mind made up about something.  They would rather try to catch people hitting our home page or articles from Google searches and such.

Advertisers are not fools, they know very well that a lot of people love and hate their products. 

We encourage users to complain and share all feedback (if constructive) - and I don't really get involved with forum moderation but our Community Manager was given direction by us in management years ago to clean things up a bit because we had a LOT of users complaining about all the anger on our forums.  Mike took steps to try and contain all the negativity while still allowing people to post their views - I think he did a lot of this by moving it into sticky threads and requiring people to elaborate more about why they don't like a game, etc.

- MMORPG.COM Staff -

  Yamota

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Joined: 10/05/03
Posts: 6501

"I fight so you don't have to."

4/08/12 6:35:31 PM#24
Originally posted by Admin
Originally posted by Yamota
Originally posted by Admin
Originally posted by Breezeycouk
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by BillMurphy

Hey guys,

Just popping in to tell you that you can refer all Game List information to Jim Moreno.  He's culling through the list from A-Z and adding new games as we get them.  Please be patient, as it's not exactly a super-quick undertaking when the list is 600+ titles now.

Jimmoreno at MMORPG dot com

Thanks!

What about all the locking of threads that criticize advertiser's products and refering them back under one gnereic "catch All" sticky?

 

I would ask if this site is run from America or somewhere else - I am from the UK and we have issues over Free Speech here whereas I still think the US has the First Amendment ??? (please feel free to correct me if I have the Admendment selection incorrect)

Free speech applies only in a public place.  When you are using this website you are in a private space.  I encourage you to walk into your neighborhood McDonalds and start spouting off political views, hold up signs, etc and see how long until they escort you off their private property.

While we are bound to uphold your civil rights (like allowing people of all ethnic backgrounds, etc) we do not have to grant you freedom of speech...no more that I have freedom of speech at your dining table.

I always found this angle amusing. You have free speech but not in private property. So seeing as in countries like US where private corporations own almost everything then there is no real free speech is there?

Free speech should be absolute, either you have it or you dont. Either you can tell your mind or you cant.

 This is why you see picketers and protesters on sidewalks, parks, etc.  It would be pretty unconstitutional to allow these people to protest inside another persons private space that they own or pay rent for.  Are you saying you would not mind it if I walked into your home and started spouting off my views and the law required me to be able to do that and you could not make me leave?

If you want to express your views online you can make your own website and do so - THAT is freedom of speech as is protected by the constituion.

My home and a public internet forum is not the same, not by a long shot. So obviously going to people's homes, without their consent, should not be allowed.

And freedom of speech is not an exclusive US invention. It is mentioned in the UN declarations of human rights and interestingly it does not say that private corporations are exempt. I know that in US you hold private corporations sacred but most other countries hold freedom of speech even more sacred.

Once you go down the road of saying that freedom of speech is a right but not in this place and that place and only in some cases, then you are on a slippery slope.

  Breezeycouk

Spotlight Poster

Joined: 4/18/06
Posts: 82

 
OP  4/08/12 6:35:52 PM#25
Originally posted by Admin
Originally posted by Yamota
Originally posted by Admin
Originally posted by Breezeycouk
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by BillMurphy

Hey guys,

Just popping in to tell you that you can refer all Game List information to Jim Moreno.  He's culling through the list from A-Z and adding new games as we get them.  Please be patient, as it's not exactly a super-quick undertaking when the list is 600+ titles now.

Jimmoreno at MMORPG dot com

Thanks!

What about all the locking of threads that criticize advertiser's products and refering them back under one gnereic "catch All" sticky?

 

I would ask if this site is run from America or somewhere else - I am from the UK and we have issues over Free Speech here whereas I still think the US has the First Amendment ??? (please feel free to correct me if I have the Admendment selection incorrect)

Free speech applies only in a public place.  When you are using this website you are in a private space.  I encourage you to walk into your neighborhood McDonalds and start spouting off political views, hold up signs, etc and see how long until they escort you off their private property.

While we are bound to uphold your civil rights (like allowing people of all ethnic backgrounds, etc) we do not have to grant you freedom of speech...no more that I have freedom of speech at your dining table.

I always found this angle amusing. You have free speech but not in private property. So seeing as in countries like US where private corporations own almost everything then there is no real free speech is there?

Free speech should be absolute, either you have it or you dont. Either you can tell your mind or you cant.

 This is why you see picketers and protesters on sidewalks, parks, etc.  It would be pretty unconstitutional to allow these people to protest inside another persons private space that they own or pay rent for.  Are you saying you would not mind it if I walked into your home and started spouting off my views and the law required me to be able to do that and you could not make me leave?

If you want to express your views online you can make your own website and do so - THAT is freedom of speech as is protected by the constituion.

 

Okay People - I didn't mean for this to become a whole positional Freedom of Speech PoV.

We have issues in the UK with websites "editing" or "locking" posts that the editors do not agree with.

My thought was that as long as the post is not offensive to any people, colour, religion, creed or anything else that might break the US Consitional Law then surely it should be seen as feed back to the vendor in question.

 

We just want to play goods games and I am sick of playing clones or poor quality / unfinshed / unsupported ones.

  stragen001

Advanced Member

Joined: 1/09/09
Posts: 1737

Mr Flibble is VERY cross

4/08/12 6:37:23 PM#26
Originally posted by Sakeraso
Originally posted by Breezeycouk
Originally posted by BartDaCat
Originally posted by just1opinion

 

Your poll doesn't give enough choices, sorry.

I agree.  It doesn't offer enough choices to be a valid poll worthy of "Focus Group" status, thus, we will not be able to fund your thread with more advertising dollars.

 

As previously stated - I am concerned over splitting the vote - I had hoped to be present a simple choice (But I accept the error of not giving a "None of the Above" option)

I maybe a little out of touch after not really visting the site for so long but any advice on how to present polls in future would be gratfully recieved to make sure I am in line with current thinking

This site actually deletes posts made against certain games they get money from, I.e every post that has anything bad to say about Guild wars 2 they delete, No longer a free place to speak openely about how you feel on certain aspects of video games,

I disagree. 

I have been fairly critical over certain aspects of Guild Wars 2 recently, as have many others, and I have never once seen such a thread deleted. Threads are however frequently locked to avoid duplication - there is no point having 6 threads discussing the exact same thing, and this applies to all topics. Often there are several threads created for breaking news and the mods tend to lock all but one so we can discuss it in one place.

Cluck Cluck, Gibber Gibber, My Old Mans A Mushroom

  Dragonantis

Novice Member

Joined: 12/16/10
Posts: 967

4/08/12 6:38:48 PM#27

Mainly why I made mine to keep an up-to-date list of mmo release dates XD

  Admin

Administrator

Joined: 1/29/02
Posts: 4958

Gaming is life...

4/08/12 6:39:28 PM#28
Originally posted by Breezeycouk
Originally posted by Admin
Originally posted by Yamota
Originally posted by Admin
Originally posted by Breezeycouk
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by BillMurphy

Hey guys,

Just popping in to tell you that you can refer all Game List information to Jim Moreno.  He's culling through the list from A-Z and adding new games as we get them.  Please be patient, as it's not exactly a super-quick undertaking when the list is 600+ titles now.

Jimmoreno at MMORPG dot com

Thanks!

What about all the locking of threads that criticize advertiser's products and refering them back under one gnereic "catch All" sticky?

 

I would ask if this site is run from America or somewhere else - I am from the UK and we have issues over Free Speech here whereas I still think the US has the First Amendment ??? (please feel free to correct me if I have the Admendment selection incorrect)

Free speech applies only in a public place.  When you are using this website you are in a private space.  I encourage you to walk into your neighborhood McDonalds and start spouting off political views, hold up signs, etc and see how long until they escort you off their private property.

While we are bound to uphold your civil rights (like allowing people of all ethnic backgrounds, etc) we do not have to grant you freedom of speech...no more that I have freedom of speech at your dining table.

I always found this angle amusing. You have free speech but not in private property. So seeing as in countries like US where private corporations own almost everything then there is no real free speech is there?

Free speech should be absolute, either you have it or you dont. Either you can tell your mind or you cant.

 This is why you see picketers and protesters on sidewalks, parks, etc.  It would be pretty unconstitutional to allow these people to protest inside another persons private space that they own or pay rent for.  Are you saying you would not mind it if I walked into your home and started spouting off my views and the law required me to be able to do that and you could not make me leave?

If you want to express your views online you can make your own website and do so - THAT is freedom of speech as is protected by the constituion.

 

Okay People - I didn't mean for this to become a whole positional Freedom of Speech PoV.

We have issues in the UK with websites "editing" or "locking" posts that the editors do not agree with.

My thought was that as long as the post is not offensive to any people, colour, religion, creed or anything else that might break the US Consitional Law then surely it should be seen as feed back to the vendor in question.

 

We just want to play goods games and I am sick of playing clones or poor quality / unfinshed / unsupported ones....

 We do our best to give you this envriornment.  But I need you to see this from the other side of the fence too.  Suppose you are an avid fan of - let' say the game Age of Conan.  You come to MMORPG.com because you want to interact with other AoC players and perhaps strike up a new guild.  You hit our main forums page and all you see is a page full of "OMG this game sucks" and "FunCom ruined this game", etc, etc, etc.  Would you really want to use this site for your day to day forum for your game of choice?

There has to be a happy middle ground and we try to achieve that the best we can.  It is not an easy task.  For every email/complaint we get about us moderating too strictly we get another one with someone saying we don't enforce our rules strictly enough and let too much garbage on the forums.  There really is no winning in this battle.

- MMORPG.COM Staff -

  ElderRat

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Joined: 9/30/10
Posts: 909

4/08/12 6:41:00 PM#29
Originally posted by Breezeycouk
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by BillMurphy

Hey guys,

Just popping in to tell you that you can refer all Game List information to Jim Moreno.  He's culling through the list from A-Z and adding new games as we get them.  Please be patient, as it's not exactly a super-quick undertaking when the list is 600+ titles now.

Jimmoreno at MMORPG dot com

Thanks!

What about all the locking of threads that criticize advertiser's products and refering them back under one gnereic "catch All" sticky?

 

I would ask if this site is run from America or somewhere else - I am from the UK and we have issues over Free Speech here whereas I still think the US has the First Amendment ??? (please feel free to correct me if I have the Admendment selection incorrect)

We have it, however it depends on how politically incorrect what you say is, pass a certain line and censorship can step in. Plus since this is a private site - Freedom of speech is at the discretion of the Minders.

Currently bored with MMO's.

  User Deleted
4/08/12 6:42:18 PM#30
Originally posted by Admin
Originally posted by Breezeycouk
Originally posted by Admin
Originally posted by Yamota
Originally posted by Admin
Originally posted by Breezeycouk
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by BillMurphy

Hey guys,

Just popping in to tell you that you can refer all Game List information to Jim Moreno.  He's culling through the list from A-Z and adding new games as we get them.  Please be patient, as it's not exactly a super-quick undertaking when the list is 600+ titles now.

Jimmoreno at MMORPG dot com

Thanks!

What about all the locking of threads that criticize advertiser's products and refering them back under one gnereic "catch All" sticky?

 

I would ask if this site is run from America or somewhere else - I am from the UK and we have issues over Free Speech here whereas I still think the US has the First Amendment ??? (please feel free to correct me if I have the Admendment selection incorrect)

Free speech applies only in a public place.  When you are using this website you are in a private space.  I encourage you to walk into your neighborhood McDonalds and start spouting off political views, hold up signs, etc and see how long until they escort you off their private property.

While we are bound to uphold your civil rights (like allowing people of all ethnic backgrounds, etc) we do not have to grant you freedom of speech...no more that I have freedom of speech at your dining table.

I always found this angle amusing. You have free speech but not in private property. So seeing as in countries like US where private corporations own almost everything then there is no real free speech is there?

Free speech should be absolute, either you have it or you dont. Either you can tell your mind or you cant.

 This is why you see picketers and protesters on sidewalks, parks, etc.  It would be pretty unconstitutional to allow these people to protest inside another persons private space that they own or pay rent for.  Are you saying you would not mind it if I walked into your home and started spouting off my views and the law required me to be able to do that and you could not make me leave?

If you want to express your views online you can make your own website and do so - THAT is freedom of speech as is protected by the constituion.

 

Okay People - I didn't mean for this to become a whole positional Freedom of Speech PoV.

We have issues in the UK with websites "editing" or "locking" posts that the editors do not agree with.

My thought was that as long as the post is not offensive to any people, colour, religion, creed or anything else that might break the US Consitional Law then surely it should be seen as feed back to the vendor in question.

 

We just want to play goods games and I am sick of playing clones or poor quality / unfinshed / unsupported ones....

 We do our best to give you this envriornment.  But I need you to see this from the other side of the fence too.  Suppose you are an avid fan of - let' say the game Age of Conan.  You come to MMORPG.com because you want to interact with other AoC players and perhaps strike up a new guild.  You hit our main forums page and all you see is a page full of "OMG this game sucks" and "FunCom ruined this game", etc, etc, etc.  Would you really want to use this site for your day to day forum for your game of choice?

There has to be a happy middle ground and we try to achieve that the best we can.  It is not an easy task.  For every email/complaint we get about us moderating too strictly we get another one with someone saying we don't enforce our rules strictly enough and let too much garbage on the forums.  There really is no winning in this battle.

 

No offense all this site has is trolls and haters who bash every game.  Go to the swtor forums, GW2 forums half the threads are people saying why so and so game sucks or failed none of them have any positive value to this site or a fan of the game yet they're all allowed to keep posting negatively about the game over and over.

  ElderRat

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4/08/12 6:42:50 PM#31
Originally posted by Admin
Originally posted by Breezeycouk
Originally posted by Admin
Originally posted by Yamota
Originally posted by Admin
Originally posted by Breezeycouk
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by BillMurphy

Hey guys,

Just popping in to tell you that you can refer all Game List information to Jim Moreno.  He's culling through the list from A-Z and adding new games as we get them.  Please be patient, as it's not exactly a super-quick undertaking when the list is 600+ titles now.

Jimmoreno at MMORPG dot com

Thanks!

What about all the locking of threads that criticize advertiser's products and refering them back under one gnereic "catch All" sticky?

 

I would ask if this site is run from America or somewhere else - I am from the UK and we have issues over Free Speech here whereas I still think the US has the First Amendment ??? (please feel free to correct me if I have the Admendment selection incorrect)

Free speech applies only in a public place.  When you are using this website you are in a private space.  I encourage you to walk into your neighborhood McDonalds and start spouting off political views, hold up signs, etc and see how long until they escort you off their private property.

While we are bound to uphold your civil rights (like allowing people of all ethnic backgrounds, etc) we do not have to grant you freedom of speech...no more that I have freedom of speech at your dining table.

I always found this angle amusing. You have free speech but not in private property. So seeing as in countries like US where private corporations own almost everything then there is no real free speech is there?

Free speech should be absolute, either you have it or you dont. Either you can tell your mind or you cant.

 This is why you see picketers and protesters on sidewalks, parks, etc.  It would be pretty unconstitutional to allow these people to protest inside another persons private space that they own or pay rent for.  Are you saying you would not mind it if I walked into your home and started spouting off my views and the law required me to be able to do that and you could not make me leave?

If you want to express your views online you can make your own website and do so - THAT is freedom of speech as is protected by the constituion.

 

Okay People - I didn't mean for this to become a whole positional Freedom of Speech PoV.

We have issues in the UK with websites "editing" or "locking" posts that the editors do not agree with.

My thought was that as long as the post is not offensive to any people, colour, religion, creed or anything else that might break the US Consitional Law then surely it should be seen as feed back to the vendor in question.

 

We just want to play goods games and I am sick of playing clones or poor quality / unfinshed / unsupported ones....

 We do our best to give you this envriornment.  But I need you to see this from the other side of the fence too.  Suppose you are an avid fan of - let' say the game Age of Conan.  You come to MMORPG.com because you want to interact with other AoC players and perhaps strike up a new guild.  You hit our main forums page and all you see is a page full of "OMG this game sucks" and "FunCom ruined this game", etc, etc, etc.  Would you really want to use this site for your day to day forum for your game of choice?

There has to be a happy middle ground and we try to achieve that the best we can.  It is not an easy task.  For every email/complaint we get about us moderating too strictly we get another one with someone saying we don't enforce our rules strictly enough and let too much garbage on the forums.  There really is no winning in this battle.

you are correct, but i will be brave here and say seeing so many omg this is the best game ever threads for 1 game is just as bad.

Currently bored with MMO's.

  Sovrath

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Joined: 1/06/05
Posts: 17008

4/08/12 6:43:25 PM#32
Originally posted by ElderRat
Originally posted by Breezeycouk
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by BillMurphy

Hey guys,

Just popping in to tell you that you can refer all Game List information to Jim Moreno.  He's culling through the list from A-Z and adding new games as we get them.  Please be patient, as it's not exactly a super-quick undertaking when the list is 600+ titles now.

Jimmoreno at MMORPG dot com

Thanks!

What about all the locking of threads that criticize advertiser's products and refering them back under one gnereic "catch All" sticky?

 

I would ask if this site is run from America or somewhere else - I am from the UK and we have issues over Free Speech here whereas I still think the US has the First Amendment ??? (please feel free to correct me if I have the Admendment selection incorrect)

We have it, however it depends on how politically incorrect what you say is, pass a certain line and censorship can step in. Plus since this is a private site - Freedom of speech is at the discretion of the Minders.


Except "Freedom of Speech" has nothing to do with people saying whatever they want whenever they want and everyone has to listne. It has to do with not being thrown in jail for speaking your peace.

  Breezeycouk

Spotlight Poster

Joined: 4/18/06
Posts: 82

 
OP  4/08/12 6:43:53 PM#33
Originally posted by Dragonantis

Mainly why I made mine to keep an up-to-date list of mmo release dates XD

 

PPPPLLLEAASSSSEE - Dude......

  Admin

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Posts: 4958

Gaming is life...

4/08/12 6:44:04 PM#34
Originally posted by Yamota
Originally posted by Admin
Originally posted by Yamota
Originally posted by Admin
Originally posted by Breezeycouk
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by BillMurphy

Hey guys,

Just popping in to tell you that you can refer all Game List information to Jim Moreno.  He's culling through the list from A-Z and adding new games as we get them.  Please be patient, as it's not exactly a super-quick undertaking when the list is 600+ titles now.

Jimmoreno at MMORPG dot com

Thanks!

What about all the locking of threads that criticize advertiser's products and refering them back under one gnereic "catch All" sticky?

 

I would ask if this site is run from America or somewhere else - I am from the UK and we have issues over Free Speech here whereas I still think the US has the First Amendment ??? (please feel free to correct me if I have the Admendment selection incorrect)

Free speech applies only in a public place.  When you are using this website you are in a private space.  I encourage you to walk into your neighborhood McDonalds and start spouting off political views, hold up signs, etc and see how long until they escort you off their private property.

While we are bound to uphold your civil rights (like allowing people of all ethnic backgrounds, etc) we do not have to grant you freedom of speech...no more that I have freedom of speech at your dining table.

I always found this angle amusing. You have free speech but not in private property. So seeing as in countries like US where private corporations own almost everything then there is no real free speech is there?

Free speech should be absolute, either you have it or you dont. Either you can tell your mind or you cant.

 This is why you see picketers and protesters on sidewalks, parks, etc.  It would be pretty unconstitutional to allow these people to protest inside another persons private space that they own or pay rent for.  Are you saying you would not mind it if I walked into your home and started spouting off my views and the law required me to be able to do that and you could not make me leave?

If you want to express your views online you can make your own website and do so - THAT is freedom of speech as is protected by the constituion.

My home and a public internet forum is not the same, not by a long shot. So obviously going to people's homes, without their consent, should not be allowed.

And freedom of speech is not an exclusive US invention. It is mentioned in the UN declarations of human rights and interestingly it does not say that private corporations are exempt. I know that in US you hold private corporations sacred but most other countries hold freedom of speech even more sacred.

Once you go down the road of saying that freedom of speech is a right but not in this place and that place and only in some cases, then you are on a slippery slope.

 In the US - Freedom of Speech allows you to say anything - and I mean anything.  Racism, rape, torture, molestation - you can make a website about any of these topics and the government cannot take it down, unles you are directly using it to commit a crime.

Are you trying to tell me that we should allow people to talk about the above things freely at MMORPG.com?  No.  This is a privately owned forum and we get to decide the rules.

And I don't even think in the UK you could hold a protest in the lobby of a corporate office complex.  I saw the "occupy" protests over there and they looked to me limited to public spaces.

- MMORPG.COM Staff -

  stragen001

Advanced Member

Joined: 1/09/09
Posts: 1737

Mr Flibble is VERY cross

4/08/12 6:45:18 PM#35
Originally posted by Yamota
Originally posted by Admin
Originally posted by Yamota
Originally posted by Admin
Originally posted by Breezeycouk
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by BillMurphy

Hey guys,

Just popping in to tell you that you can refer all Game List information to Jim Moreno.  He's culling through the list from A-Z and adding new games as we get them.  Please be patient, as it's not exactly a super-quick undertaking when the list is 600+ titles now.

Jimmoreno at MMORPG dot com

Thanks!

What about all the locking of threads that criticize advertiser's products and refering them back under one gnereic "catch All" sticky?

 

I would ask if this site is run from America or somewhere else - I am from the UK and we have issues over Free Speech here whereas I still think the US has the First Amendment ??? (please feel free to correct me if I have the Admendment selection incorrect)

Free speech applies only in a public place.  When you are using this website you are in a private space.  I encourage you to walk into your neighborhood McDonalds and start spouting off political views, hold up signs, etc and see how long until they escort you off their private property.

While we are bound to uphold your civil rights (like allowing people of all ethnic backgrounds, etc) we do not have to grant you freedom of speech...no more that I have freedom of speech at your dining table.

I always found this angle amusing. You have free speech but not in private property. So seeing as in countries like US where private corporations own almost everything then there is no real free speech is there?

Free speech should be absolute, either you have it or you dont. Either you can tell your mind or you cant.

 This is why you see picketers and protesters on sidewalks, parks, etc.  It would be pretty unconstitutional to allow these people to protest inside another persons private space that they own or pay rent for.  Are you saying you would not mind it if I walked into your home and started spouting off my views and the law required me to be able to do that and you could not make me leave?

If you want to express your views online you can make your own website and do so - THAT is freedom of speech as is protected by the constituion.

My home and a public internet forum is not the same, not by a long shot. So obviously going to people's homes, without their consent, should not be allowed.

And freedom of speech is not an exclusive US invention. It is mentioned in the UN declarations of human rights and interestingly it does not say that private corporations are exempt. I know that in US you hold private corporations sacred but most other countries hold freedom of speech even more sacred.

Once you go down the road of saying that freedom of speech is a right but not in this place and that place and only in some cases, then you are on a slippery slope.

Interesting excerpt from Wikipedia on First Amendment:

State constitutions provide free speech protections similar to those of the U.S. Constitution. In a few states, such as California, a state constitution has been interpreted as providing more comprehensive protections than the First Amendment. The Supreme Court has permitted states to extend such enhanced protections, most notably in Pruneyard Shopping Center v. Robins447 U.S. 74 (1980). In that case, the Court unanimously ruled that while the First Amendment may allow private property owners to prohibit trespass by political speakers and petition-gatherers, California was permitted to restrict property owners whose property is equivalent to a traditional public forum (often shopping malls and grocery stores) from enforcing their private property rights to exclude such individuals

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  Skuz

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Joined: 12/25/08
Posts: 1038

"If you can''t laugh at yourself there''s always someone around to show you how it''s done!"

4/08/12 6:45:18 PM#36

Just my take on so-called "Freedom of Speech" banner-wavers.

Nobody has truly uninhibited "Free Speech", and the simple reason is that your speech is only free until it impinges upon someone else's rights, liberties or freedoms.

So in essence "Free Speech" is a misleading term.

  Xthos

Hard Core Member

Joined: 4/18/10
Posts: 2627

4/08/12 6:47:49 PM#37

Well, incase you didn't know, in America corporations are people too!

 

Their is plenty of places to picket, and speak your mind, I don't think any laws in the U.S. really keep you from it, I mean hell people pickett soldiers funerals with hate/anti-gay (due to gay people being in the military, not even to do with the individual soldier), hate groups like the KKK are even allowed to hold parades....Private property is private property, but sidewalks and such are not private property generally, so it's not like everything is 'private'...

 

I support what the Admin said, if they do a bad job, people stop using the site, it self regulates....You didn't seem to like the example, but the reply of slippery slope, well if you aren't willing to let me live in your house for free and do whatever I want in it, then I think you are on board with their being limits.

 

  Larsa

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Joined: 2/14/04
Posts: 992

4/08/12 6:48:30 PM#38
Originally posted by BillMurphy

Hey guys,

Just popping in to tell you that you can refer all Game List information to Jim Moreno.  He's culling through the list from A-Z and adding new games as we get them.  Please be patient, as it's not exactly a super-quick undertaking when the list is 600+ titles now.

Jimmoreno at MMORPG dot com

Thanks!

With all due respect, he should start by removing 500 of the 600+ titles instead of adding new ones. :)

I suggest that every game in the game lists gets it's own sub-forum and the game gets automatically removed from the list when there hasn't been any forum activity for, say, 6 months. Might be a good method to shred all this dead weight.

I maintain this List of Sandbox MMORPGs. Please post or send PM for corrections and suggestions.

  Damon

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Joined: 10/04/03
Posts: 143

4/08/12 6:48:52 PM#39
Originally posted by just1opinion

 

Your poll doesn't give enough choices, sorry.

I agree.  While, I think it's good to point out the dated information, the lack of pool choices are a little insulting.  I know which games are in what status, as far as the major titles, because I read about tech and games from a variety of sources.  I imagine it's the same for most people here.  So, good point, bad poll. :)

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  Hatewall

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Joined: 8/17/04
Posts: 127

4/08/12 6:50:16 PM#40

So Admin, whose office has the red phone that goes off anytime a comment is made about swtor that isn't glowing?

Sorry, but there is an agenda with certain titles on this site.

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