Originally posted by Bjelar

Originally posted by bishbosh

Originally posted by DJJazzy

Do you often let other people form your opinions?

its just that its impossible for a game to improve/get fixed if fanboys keep drowning out criticisms. i dont want to play a game that is doomed due to its playerbase. also i dont like such people, i dont want to play with them because they are stupid.

 

Seems like you are watching the world through a mirror to me. Haters doom games, or at least they hope to. Rational constructive critisism is rare, but never upset anyone. Everyone likes constructive critisism. If you are attacked by fanbois, it is almost certainly because you leave useless, unhelpful, bitter venom on forums, hoping to doom the game to settle a score. Kind of ironic that you claim that having people who actually like the game they are playing posting on forums is the problem.

it is difficult to doom a game by posting on forums. very small % people look at game forums. fanboys tend to overeact and stomp out valid complaints in the process. 

criticism is important otherwise a game will never get fixed/improve

Originally posted by bishbosh

Originally posted by sapheroith

Originally posted by bishbosh

Originally posted by Adalwulff

Originally posted by bishbosh

Originally posted by Adalwulff

Originally posted by bishbosh

Originally posted by sapheroith

I dont get it why people complain about CS in GW2, EVERY single mmo has some kind of microtransaction, not to mention CS in GW2 only have cosmetic and time saving items.

And Scroll of Res > exp scroll in every way.

To OP: no other games have more fanboi than Wow and SWTOR, go complain there.

so basically you are saying a complaint is no longer valid if that complain can be applied to other games?

ridiculous.

Actually, what it means is, your now out in the cold, for that last few years, MMOs have catered to gamers like you. Chasing pixels and swinging your epeens. Now that it is changing, you cant seem to handle it, a pity really.

But, dispite your insults, we will be enjoying our casual game, with our CS. Thank you!

im a casual gamer ....

spending IRL money on pixels is probably worse than playing for them....

i think you just made yourself look like a turd

 

Then you havent been paying attention, there are no pixals to chase, no advantages for you here. Just an even playing field.

im calling BS on this. siege weapons cost in game gold. in game gold can be bought with real money. might not be a big deal but they are selling in game advantage. if they lied about this who knows what else they will lie about (someone even posted a small list of things like repair costs, squad commander etc)

also i really doubt it will be level playing field. most likely lies. i dont really trust arena net anymore.

Do you know that siege weapon also need supply to build? If you have tons of gold and no supply, you still cant build it. Maybe you want to do some research before making stupid statement like this.

And linking something like building 1 siege weapon with gameplay advantage is just sad. Because there is nothing else you can think of?

If you can find evidence of gameplay advantage in structured PVP, then come back and trash talk about even playing field.

 

what if you have tons of supply and no in game gold?

initially you said "no advantages for you here" but clearly there is. 

what about karma boosts, exp boosts, repair costs

 

why does my pay2win example have to be structured PVP specific. there is more to the game than just structured pvp. if i wanted to play structured pvp why wouldnt i just play quake 3, dota or counterstrike?

Yeah, I don't get why people keep turning it to "structured PVP" as if thats the only place pay2win would be important in GW2.  For many MMOers, we are TIRED of instanced battleground PVP.  That is the single least interesting aspect of GW2 for me.  FPS games do that way way better in my opinion.

I personally was looking most forward to the RvRvR PVP, hence my utter dissapointment when I learned it (RvRvR) was actually pay2win...

It'll disappear when the game comes out, they'll probably be living on the forums instead of playing the game. I wouldn't miss the game because of them, though the fanboyism may ruin the game by getting more cash shop BS imparted upon us.

Funny though, is that even as a game burns badly like Final Fantasy XIV, people will defend it still. I was on gamefaqs and whoo there was lots of defense for a game that limited you to 8 kill x quests a day, limited how much you could grind by fatigue and expected you to pay a monthly fee. Oh yeah and outside of the graphics, the game seemed like it came from 2005. Similar thing's happening with Tera forums.

i dont understand how people swallowed the RMT thing. do you people realise that if you keep taking this crap RMT will be part of every single mmorpg the near future? are you ok with pay2win being an attribute associated with mmorpgs?

everytime you accept crap from devs they are like "woo looks like we can get away with this everytime" this is how we ended up with  8 year+ of wow clones.

when i spend $60 on a game i want that money to spent on creating a fun game and possible creating another fun game in the near future. i dont want it being spent on pay2 win gold farmers paradise systems that will attempt to take more of my money to fund some child labour magnate's bentley in china.

Well the " The Assuming CS boys" still going at it lol?

Good job guys, make a thread and argued based on your baseless assumptions with no official black and white proof.

Originally posted by bishbosh

Originally posted by sapheroith

Originally posted by bishbosh

Originally posted by Adalwulff

Originally posted by bishbosh

Originally posted by Adalwulff

Originally posted by bishbosh

Originally posted by sapheroith

I dont get it why people complain about CS in GW2, EVERY single mmo has some kind of microtransaction, not to mention CS in GW2 only have cosmetic and time saving items.

And Scroll of Res > exp scroll in every way.

To OP: no other games have more fanboi than Wow and SWTOR, go complain there.

so basically you are saying a complaint is no longer valid if that complain can be applied to other games?

ridiculous.

Actually, what it means is, your now out in the cold, for that last few years, MMOs have catered to gamers like you. Chasing pixels and swinging your epeens. Now that it is changing, you cant seem to handle it, a pity really.

But, dispite your insults, we will be enjoying our casual game, with our CS. Thank you!

im a casual gamer ....

spending IRL money on pixels is probably worse than playing for them....

i think you just made yourself look like a turd

 

Then you havent been paying attention, there are no pixals to chase, no advantages for you here. Just an even playing field.

im calling BS on this. siege weapons cost in game gold. in game gold can be bought with real money. might not be a big deal but they are selling in game advantage. if they lied about this who knows what else they will lie about (someone even posted a small list of things like repair costs, squad commander etc)

also i really doubt it will be level playing field. most likely lies. i dont really trust arena net anymore.

Do you know that siege weapon also need supply to build? If you have tons of gold and no supply, you still cant build it. Maybe you want to do some research before making stupid statement like this.

And linking something like building 1 siege weapon with gameplay advantage is just sad. Because there is nothing else you can think of?

If you can find evidence of gameplay advantage in structured PVP, then come back and trash talk about even playing field.

 

what if you have tons of supply and no in game gold?

Under what circumstances would someone have tons of supply and no in game gold? The onus is on you to provide the circumstances under which this could plausibly happen before anyone can reasonably engage your concerns. Otherwise what is the point of addressing a completely fanciful concern if there is little to no chance that this could happen?

Say you're playing in WvWvW. You have tons of supply. How did you acquire this supply and yet have no gold? Did you know that the act of capturing a supply depot is in the form of a dynamic event, the success of which rewards (among other things) GOLD? Did you know that defending supply caravans is in the form of a dynamic event, the success of which rewards (among other things) GOLD? Did you know that successfully holding a keep/tower/etc. is in the form of a dynamic event which will reward you with gold if you succeed?

So, let's say you spent all that gold and that's why you have all this supply and no gold. What did you spend all the gold on? We already know that from the beta videos we've seen that repair costs are negligible, and waypoint travel costs are negligible, so what are you spending the gold on? Well, if you're spending it on any form of upgrades or siege equipment for WvWvW you are also going to be consuming supply in order to repair/maintain/build it, so there goes the scenario of having tons of supply and no gold - both would in fact have to be depleted if you are spending all your gold.

So, again, what specific case do you envision happening where someone has a ton of supply and no gold?

Originally posted by bishbosh

i dont understand how people swallowed the RMT thing. do you people realise that if you keep taking this crap RMT will be part of every single mmorpg the near future? are you ok with pay2win being an attribute associated with mmorpgs?

everytime you accept crap from devs they are like "woo looks like we can get away with this everytime" this is how we ended up with  8 year+ of wow clones.

when i spend $60 on a game i want that money to spent on creating a fun game and possible creating another fun game in the near future. i dont want it being spent on pay2 win gold farmers paradise systems...

The most ironic thing is not only have many accepted the RMT thing as no big deal, they actually use it as an excuse that absoutely NOTHING in the cash shop could now EVER be pay2win because you can grind for gold to buy gems to buy the item in the cash shop with in-game currency.  So many Anet fans now would literally support the "uber sword of pwnage" offered in a cash shop because "well you can grind gold to buy gems in game" so it is all good.

It's a crazy world out there and people can convince themselves of anything.  Sometimes I think Anet is running a psychology experiment on their fans to see how much they can get them to accept before at the end Anet says "Ha ha gotcha!  We actually got you to defend our uber sword of pwnage!"

Originally posted by bishbosh

Originally posted by sapheroith

Originally posted by bishbosh

Originally posted by Adalwulff

Originally posted by bishbosh

Originally posted by Adalwulff

Originally posted by bishbosh

Originally posted by sapheroith

I dont get it why people complain about CS in GW2, EVERY single mmo has some kind of microtransaction, not to mention CS in GW2 only have cosmetic and time saving items.

And Scroll of Res > exp scroll in every way.

To OP: no other games have more fanboi than Wow and SWTOR, go complain there.

so basically you are saying a complaint is no longer valid if that complain can be applied to other games?

ridiculous.

Actually, what it means is, your now out in the cold, for that last few years, MMOs have catered to gamers like you. Chasing pixels and swinging your epeens. Now that it is changing, you cant seem to handle it, a pity really.

But, dispite your insults, we will be enjoying our casual game, with our CS. Thank you!

im a casual gamer ....

spending IRL money on pixels is probably worse than playing for them....

i think you just made yourself look like a turd

 

Then you havent been paying attention, there are no pixals to chase, no advantages for you here. Just an even playing field.

im calling BS on this. siege weapons cost in game gold. in game gold can be bought with real money. might not be a big deal but they are selling in game advantage. if they lied about this who knows what else they will lie about (someone even posted a small list of things like repair costs, squad commander etc)

also i really doubt it will be level playing field. most likely lies. i dont really trust arena net anymore.

Do you know that siege weapon also need supply to build? If you have tons of gold and no supply, you still cant build it. Maybe you want to do some research before making stupid statement like this.

And linking something like building 1 siege weapon with gameplay advantage is just sad. Because there is nothing else you can think of?

If you can find evidence of gameplay advantage in structured PVP, then come back and trash talk about even playing field.

 

what if you have tons of supply and no in game gold?

initially you said "no advantages for you here" but clearly there is. 

what about karma boosts, exp boosts, repair costs

 

why does my pay2win example have to be structured PVP specific. there is more to the game than just structured pvp. if i wanted to play structured pvp why wouldnt i just play quake 3, dota or counterstrike?

You are make an assumption without playing the game. How do you know its easier to get supplies than gold? My post was trying to crorrect your thought of siege weapon can be bought with gold, which is clearly wrong.

As for karma/exp boost, I dont see a problem. Its an option you choose to buy it or not. Its not like people care how fast i can get my cosmetic armor.

Speaking of advantages, to my utter dissappointment that school kids have more time to spend than me, therefore i am completely disadvantaged. /sarcasm

Originally posted by bishbosh

i dont understand how people swallowed the RMT thing. do you people realise that if you keep taking this crap RMT will be part of every single mmorpg the near future? are you ok with pay2win being an attribute associated with mmorpgs?

everytime you accept crap from devs they are like "woo looks like we can get away with this everytime" this is how we ended up with  8 year+ of wow clones.

when i spend $60 on a game i want that money to spent on creating a fun game and possible creating another fun game in the near future. i dont want it being spent on pay2 win gold farmers paradise systems that will attempt to take more of my money to fund some child labour magnate's bentley in china.

/agree

Although I dont have faith in people's intelligence that they will do the proper thing to 'turn the ship'. This is the same mentality that gets bad people elected for public office.

On the other hand. I only support a game that doesnt have RMT's, is completely open world, has day and night, is all skill based, has no map or quick teleports, no quests, and so on. But yet I hear people complaining about themepark quality as it is today, but people still go out and buy the overhyped themeparks with RMT's.

Originally posted by gainesvilleg

Originally posted by bishbosh

i dont understand how people swallowed the RMT thing. do you people realise that if you keep taking this crap RMT will be part of every single mmorpg the near future? are you ok with pay2win being an attribute associated with mmorpgs?

everytime you accept crap from devs they are like "woo looks like we can get away with this everytime" this is how we ended up with  8 year+ of wow clones.

when i spend $60 on a game i want that money to spent on creating a fun game and possible creating another fun game in the near future. i dont want it being spent on pay2 win gold farmers paradise systems...

The most ironic thing is not only have many accepted the RMT thing as no big deal, they actually use it as an excuse that absoutely NOTHING in the cash shop could now EVER be pay2win because you can grind for gold to buy gems to buy the item in the cash shop with in-game currency.  So many Anet fans now would literally support the "uber sword of pwnage" offered in a cash shop because "well you can grind gold to buy gems in game" so it is all good.

It's a crazy world out there and people can convince themselves of anything.  Sometimes I think Anet is running a psychology experiment on their fans to see how much they can get them to accept before at the end Anet says "Ha ha gotcha!  We actually got you to defend our uber sword of pwnage!"

The most ironic thing is RMT is already part of every mmo.

Originally posted by sapheroith

Originally posted by gainesvilleg

Originally posted by bishbosh

i dont understand how people swallowed the RMT thing. do you people realise that if you keep taking this crap RMT will be part of every single mmorpg the near future? are you ok with pay2win being an attribute associated with mmorpgs?

everytime you accept crap from devs they are like "woo looks like we can get away with this everytime" this is how we ended up with  8 year+ of wow clones.

when i spend $60 on a game i want that money to spent on creating a fun game and possible creating another fun game in the near future. i dont want it being spent on pay2 win gold farmers paradise systems...

The most ironic thing is not only have many accepted the RMT thing as no big deal, they actually use it as an excuse that absoutely NOTHING in the cash shop could now EVER be pay2win because you can grind for gold to buy gems to buy the item in the cash shop with in-game currency.  So many Anet fans now would literally support the "uber sword of pwnage" offered in a cash shop because "well you can grind gold to buy gems in game" so it is all good.

It's a crazy world out there and people can convince themselves of anything.  Sometimes I think Anet is running a psychology experiment on their fans to see how much they can get them to accept before at the end Anet says "Ha ha gotcha!  We actually got you to defend our uber sword of pwnage!"

The most ironic thing is RMT is already part of every mmo.

And theft/murder is part of every society, but that doesn't mean you legalize it...

Originally posted by gainesvilleg

Originally posted by bishbosh

i dont understand how people swallowed the RMT thing. do you people realise that if you keep taking this crap RMT will be part of every single mmorpg the near future? are you ok with pay2win being an attribute associated with mmorpgs?

everytime you accept crap from devs they are like "woo looks like we can get away with this everytime" this is how we ended up with  8 year+ of wow clones.

when i spend $60 on a game i want that money to spent on creating a fun game and possible creating another fun game in the near future. i dont want it being spent on pay2 win gold farmers paradise systems...

The most ironic thing is not only have many accepted the RMT thing as no big deal, they actually use it as an excuse that absoutely NOTHING in the cash shop could now EVER be pay2win because you can grind for gold to buy gems to buy the item in the cash shop with in-game currency.  So many Anet fans now would literally support the "uber sword of pwnage" offered in a cash shop because "well you can grind gold to buy gems in game" so it is all good.

I am going to outright challenge you on this, because the entire basis of ArenaNet's philosophy rides on the fact that you cannot buy the most powerful weapons in the game with gold (and what would those weapons even be? Anybody who's so opposed to this possibility even understand what "the most powerful weapon in the game" would look like? Anybody even know what Obsidian Armor or Destroyer Weapons are?).

It's possible to be supportive of the fact that the cash shop could sell anything that is also available in the game with gold because the most prestigious (not powerful) weapons and armor in the game will *never* be purchaseable with in-game gold. Nothing they have said about the cash shop has in any remote way reneged on that position.

Originally posted by sapheroith

Originally posted by gainesvilleg

Originally posted by bishbosh

i dont understand how people swallowed the RMT thing. do you people realise that if you keep taking this crap RMT will be part of every single mmorpg the near future? are you ok with pay2win being an attribute associated with mmorpgs?

everytime you accept crap from devs they are like "woo looks like we can get away with this everytime" this is how we ended up with  8 year+ of wow clones.

when i spend $60 on a game i want that money to spent on creating a fun game and possible creating another fun game in the near future. i dont want it being spent on pay2 win gold farmers paradise systems...

The most ironic thing is not only have many accepted the RMT thing as no big deal, they actually use it as an excuse that absoutely NOTHING in the cash shop could now EVER be pay2win because you can grind for gold to buy gems to buy the item in the cash shop with in-game currency.  So many Anet fans now would literally support the "uber sword of pwnage" offered in a cash shop because "well you can grind gold to buy gems in game" so it is all good.

It's a crazy world out there and people can convince themselves of anything.  Sometimes I think Anet is running a psychology experiment on their fans to see how much they can get them to accept before at the end Anet says "Ha ha gotcha!  We actually got you to defend our uber sword of pwnage!"

The most ironic thing is RMT is already part of every mmo.

No its not. www.mortalonline.com

The same game that also has no instances, is truly open world, has no quests, so on and so forth.

You can only carry 10 supply, seige weapon blueprint only costs 10 silver, which you can make by the time you are level 3 and you can purchase more than 5 blue prints by the time you are level 8 if you are doing this solo and not with a guild.

You can purchage the most expensive blueprint which is 1 gold and some odd silver by the time you are level 13 or 14 if you are solo that is and not with a guild that is supporting you. 

Now for the rest of you please check posting history before you get trolled and lets gtfo out of this thread.

Originally posted by sidhaethe

Originally posted by gainesvilleg

Originally posted by bishbosh

i dont understand how people swallowed the RMT thing. do you people realise that if you keep taking this crap RMT will be part of every single mmorpg the near future? are you ok with pay2win being an attribute associated with mmorpgs?

everytime you accept crap from devs they are like "woo looks like we can get away with this everytime" this is how we ended up with  8 year+ of wow clones.

when i spend $60 on a game i want that money to spent on creating a fun game and possible creating another fun game in the near future. i dont want it being spent on pay2 win gold farmers paradise systems...

The most ironic thing is not only have many accepted the RMT thing as no big deal, they actually use it as an excuse that absoutely NOTHING in the cash shop could now EVER be pay2win because you can grind for gold to buy gems to buy the item in the cash shop with in-game currency.  So many Anet fans now would literally support the "uber sword of pwnage" offered in a cash shop because "well you can grind gold to buy gems in game" so it is all good.

I am going to outright challenge you on this, because the entire basis of ArenaNet's philosophy rides on the fact that you cannot buy the most powerful weapons in the game with gold (and what would those weapons even be? Anybody who's so opposed to this possibility even understand what "the most powerful weapon in the game" would look like? Anybody even know what Obsidian Armor or Destroyer Weapons are?).

It's possible to be supportive of the fact that the cash shop could sell anything that is also available in the game with gold because the most prestigious (not powerful) weapons and armor in the game will *never* be purchaseable with in-game gold. Nothing they have said about the cash shop has in any remote way reneged on that position.

He believes that buying gems and then selling them on the auction house means that the game is pay2win. I disagree with that, but he seems to be extremely emotional about it in general based on the sheer number of posts he has about the subject.

Originally posted by gainesvilleg

Originally posted by sapheroith

Originally posted by gainesvilleg

Originally posted by bishbosh

i dont understand how people swallowed the RMT thing. do you people realise that if you keep taking this crap RMT will be part of every single mmorpg the near future? are you ok with pay2win being an attribute associated with mmorpgs?

everytime you accept crap from devs they are like "woo looks like we can get away with this everytime" this is how we ended up with  8 year+ of wow clones.

when i spend $60 on a game i want that money to spent on creating a fun game and possible creating another fun game in the near future. i dont want it being spent on pay2 win gold farmers paradise systems...

The most ironic thing is not only have many accepted the RMT thing as no big deal, they actually use it as an excuse that absoutely NOTHING in the cash shop could now EVER be pay2win because you can grind for gold to buy gems to buy the item in the cash shop with in-game currency.  So many Anet fans now would literally support the "uber sword of pwnage" offered in a cash shop because "well you can grind gold to buy gems in game" so it is all good.

It's a crazy world out there and people can convince themselves of anything.  Sometimes I think Anet is running a psychology experiment on their fans to see how much they can get them to accept before at the end Anet says "Ha ha gotcha!  We actually got you to defend our uber sword of pwnage!"

The most ironic thing is RMT is already part of every mmo.

And theft/murder is part of every society, but that doesn't mean you legalize it...

The difference is theft/murder is illegal, but RMT is legal.

Originally posted by sapheroith

Originally posted by gainesvilleg

Originally posted by bishbosh

i dont understand how people swallowed the RMT thing. do you people realise that if you keep taking this crap RMT will be part of every single mmorpg the near future? are you ok with pay2win being an attribute associated with mmorpgs?

everytime you accept crap from devs they are like "woo looks like we can get away with this everytime" this is how we ended up with  8 year+ of wow clones.

when i spend $60 on a game i want that money to spent on creating a fun game and possible creating another fun game in the near future. i dont want it being spent on pay2 win gold farmers paradise systems...

The most ironic thing is not only have many accepted the RMT thing as no big deal, they actually use it as an excuse that absoutely NOTHING in the cash shop could now EVER be pay2win because you can grind for gold to buy gems to buy the item in the cash shop with in-game currency.  So many Anet fans now would literally support the "uber sword of pwnage" offered in a cash shop because "well you can grind gold to buy gems in game" so it is all good.

It's a crazy world out there and people can convince themselves of anything.  Sometimes I think Anet is running a psychology experiment on their fans to see how much they can get them to accept before at the end Anet says "Ha ha gotcha!  We actually got you to defend our uber sword of pwnage!"

The most ironic thing is RMT is already part of every mmo.

instead of fixing the problems lets make it worse by making it easier for gold farmers to sell gold/items!!!!!

seems like the thought process that occured when deciding what to do with diablo 3's stat system. "hmm well in diablo 2 stats were unbalanced and almost everyone just stacked vitality, rather than fixing the system we will just delete it so we can get back to making sure RMT is ready for release"

d3 fanboys sure ate that one up as well. wont be buying that game for sure.

Originally posted by colddog04

Originally posted by sidhaethe

Originally posted by gainesvilleg

Originally posted by bishbosh

i dont understand how people swallowed the RMT thing. do you people realise that if you keep taking this crap RMT will be part of every single mmorpg the near future? are you ok with pay2win being an attribute associated with mmorpgs?

everytime you accept crap from devs they are like "woo looks like we can get away with this everytime" this is how we ended up with  8 year+ of wow clones.

when i spend $60 on a game i want that money to spent on creating a fun game and possible creating another fun game in the near future. i dont want it being spent on pay2 win gold farmers paradise systems...

The most ironic thing is not only have many accepted the RMT thing as no big deal, they actually use it as an excuse that absoutely NOTHING in the cash shop could now EVER be pay2win because you can grind for gold to buy gems to buy the item in the cash shop with in-game currency.  So many Anet fans now would literally support the "uber sword of pwnage" offered in a cash shop because "well you can grind gold to buy gems in game" so it is all good.

I am going to outright challenge you on this, because the entire basis of ArenaNet's philosophy rides on the fact that you cannot buy the most powerful weapons in the game with gold (and what would those weapons even be? Anybody who's so opposed to this possibility even understand what "the most powerful weapon in the game" would look like? Anybody even know what Obsidian Armor or Destroyer Weapons are?).

It's possible to be supportive of the fact that the cash shop could sell anything that is also available in the game with gold because the most prestigious (not powerful) weapons and armor in the game will *never* be purchaseable with in-game gold. Nothing they have said about the cash shop has in any remote way reneged on that position.

He believes that buying gems and then selling them on the auction house means that the game is pay2win. I disagree with that, but he seems to be extremely emotional about it in general based on the sheer number of posts he has about the subject.

Yeah, what a crazy notion I am having that that would be pay2win LOL.  I mean, just because in most MMO's this is a bannable offense I have this crazy notion that it provides advantages to those who purchase it.  You got me.  I have to start thinking more clearly...

Originally posted by gainesvilleg

Originally posted by colddog04

Originally posted by sidhaethe

Originally posted by gainesvilleg

Originally posted by bishbosh

i dont understand how people swallowed the RMT thing. do you people realise that if you keep taking this crap RMT will be part of every single mmorpg the near future? are you ok with pay2win being an attribute associated with mmorpgs?

everytime you accept crap from devs they are like "woo looks like we can get away with this everytime" this is how we ended up with  8 year+ of wow clones.

when i spend $60 on a game i want that money to spent on creating a fun game and possible creating another fun game in the near future. i dont want it being spent on pay2 win gold farmers paradise systems...

The most ironic thing is not only have many accepted the RMT thing as no big deal, they actually use it as an excuse that absoutely NOTHING in the cash shop could now EVER be pay2win because you can grind for gold to buy gems to buy the item in the cash shop with in-game currency.  So many Anet fans now would literally support the "uber sword of pwnage" offered in a cash shop because "well you can grind gold to buy gems in game" so it is all good.

I am going to outright challenge you on this, because the entire basis of ArenaNet's philosophy rides on the fact that you cannot buy the most powerful weapons in the game with gold (and what would those weapons even be? Anybody who's so opposed to this possibility even understand what "the most powerful weapon in the game" would look like? Anybody even know what Obsidian Armor or Destroyer Weapons are?).

It's possible to be supportive of the fact that the cash shop could sell anything that is also available in the game with gold because the most prestigious (not powerful) weapons and armor in the game will *never* be purchaseable with in-game gold. Nothing they have said about the cash shop has in any remote way reneged on that position.

He believes that buying gems and then selling them on the auction house means that the game is pay2win. I disagree with that, but he seems to be extremely emotional about it in general based on the sheer number of posts he has about the subject.

Yeah, what a crazy notion I am having that that would be pay2win LOL.  I mean, just because in most MMO's this is a bannable offense I have this crazy notion that it provides advantages to those who purchase it.  You got me.  I have to start thinking more clearly...

Right, here you can see how emotional he is about it. I'm not really sure why since all he has to do is not play the game. But this tends to be a pretty emotional site anyway.

Originally posted by sapheroith

Originally posted by gainesvilleg

Originally posted by sapheroith

Originally posted by gainesvilleg

Originally posted by bishbosh

i dont understand how people swallowed the RMT thing. do you people realise that if you keep taking this crap RMT will be part of every single mmorpg the near future? are you ok with pay2win being an attribute associated with mmorpgs?

everytime you accept crap from devs they are like "woo looks like we can get away with this everytime" this is how we ended up with  8 year+ of wow clones.

when i spend $60 on a game i want that money to spent on creating a fun game and possible creating another fun game in the near future. i dont want it being spent on pay2 win gold farmers paradise systems...

The most ironic thing is not only have many accepted the RMT thing as no big deal, they actually use it as an excuse that absoutely NOTHING in the cash shop could now EVER be pay2win because you can grind for gold to buy gems to buy the item in the cash shop with in-game currency.  So many Anet fans now would literally support the "uber sword of pwnage" offered in a cash shop because "well you can grind gold to buy gems in game" so it is all good.

It's a crazy world out there and people can convince themselves of anything.  Sometimes I think Anet is running a psychology experiment on their fans to see how much they can get them to accept before at the end Anet says "Ha ha gotcha!  We actually got you to defend our uber sword of pwnage!"

The most ironic thing is RMT is already part of every mmo.

And theft/murder is part of every society, but that doesn't mean you legalize it...

The difference is theft/murder is illegal, but RMT is legal.

RMT is not legal in most other MMOs, and the ones that allow it it is almost universally considered pay2win.