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  ropenice

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Posts: 585

4/07/12 10:55:44 PM#41
Originally posted by zytin
Originally posted by bishbosh

people staunchly defending everything about gw2 is reminding me of all those other fail mmorpgs out there. they all had the same fanboy crowd licking up any crap thrown at them and BAM the game tanks. 

i was intent on prerodering 10th april and now i dont even know if i want to buy the game. i dont want to play a game full of people that will take any crap from the devs/publisher because i know in the long run the game will suck because criticisms will be drowned out with " WOW had the same problems on release", " you havent even played to max level", "go back to WOW" etc etc. 

i dont know if im the only one that gets turned off game by fanboyism, there are probably more people out there so i think its best to take that into consideration and be a bit more welcoming and less aggresive/vile when someone criticises gw2 or questions its "greatness". i would like to see gw2 do well (more compeition=better games for us) but games wont do well if developers cannot hear the players complaints.

I call BS.  This person was either (a) never going to buy GW2 and is just trolling or (b)  is going to buy GW2 anyway and is just trolling.

 

I mean...Seriously?  "I was going to preorder, but now I'm not going to because too many people are acting like fanbois..." is the same thing as when liberals call Rush Limbaugh's show claiming they are conservative "but....".  

 

TROOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

 

(the '1' was intentional). 

Closet Rush Limbaugh fan?   *shivers*

 

It's posts like OP's that make it hard to get a good discussion, as it is obviously negative without being constructive. Just like when the diehard fans can't concede that maybe a realistic post that has a critisism of the game might have a point, and they can't see any fault with GW2. But they are both ends of the extreme. Most players are going to be regular mmoers that have realistic expectations of the game and play to have fun (which most won't even participate in forums). So I wouldn't judge the games community on the relatively few that defend to the death a game on forums.

  Corehaven

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4/07/12 10:56:16 PM#42
Originally posted by bishbosh

arena net blatantly lied about cosmetic items only in the cash shop. they added a whole RMT system + exp scrolls. who knows what else they will be adding to the cash shop.

how is that BS? this is a completely valid complaing.

note: before you respond consider that i am complaining about the fact they lied not whether RMT + exp scrolls is "not that big of a deal"

 

Yes its not an entirely non valid issue. 

 

However one mmo I really love is Pirates of the Burning Sea.  To unlock the entire game you have to pay for a sub of 15 bucks just once, then you can cancel the sub immediately and the entire game is unlocked of all restrictions forever.  The restrictions weren't much in the first place but they are there, so I sort of consider it a $15 B2P game. 

 

It has a cash shop.  They sell EXACTLY the same kind of things in it.   There's a lot of cosmetic stuff in there too.  There's even a couple of ships I think which is kind of Pay to Win for sure.  But its not overdone really. 

 

The result?  Ive never noticed.  Not once.  Not a single time.  Ive played the game, loved it, enjoyed it, and payed almost no attention to its cash shop as Ive never needed too.  Ive leveled, quested, and sunk ships like nobodys business and had absolutely no problem.  Its never bothered me, and never hindered by play experience even one bit. 

 

So dont expect me to care all that much about the same thing being in GW2.  Im used to it.  And I dont care as it never affected me enjoying Pirates.  If it did, that would be different.  So this is just fine as far as Im concerned.  Doesnt even irk me a bit. 

  gainesvilleg

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Joined: 2/27/11
Posts: 1087

4/07/12 10:56:18 PM#43
Originally posted by RizelStar
Originally posted by bishbosh
Originally posted by Eir_S
Originally posted by gaeanprayer
Originally posted by bishbosh
Originally posted by Eir_S

If people could actually put up a good argument, no one would have to defend the game.  But I guess you don't have a problem with all the whiners and trolls.  Too bad for you, don't play the game if you're that one-sided.

im not sure why you think the game needs to be defended? i think this is the essense of the problem. its a video game, its doesnt need to defended! 

i think lots of the cash shop complaints are valid. the cash shop was initially only cosmetic now they offer levelling, gear etc and with the gem trade you can buy gold/anything.

why do you fanboys feel the need to supress these complaints? what do they gain from it. worst comes to worse, arena net will remove the gem trade, keys to chests etc etc and GUESS WHO WINS-->YOU THE CONSUMER

so what if the key/chest thing is not confirmed and it was just a leak. we should let the devs know we dont want it. if we assume it isnt confirmed they might actually implement (one thing i have learned is always expect the worst from mmorpgs) while if we complaing they wont implement it if they were going to.

That is exactly Eir's point on fans coming to defend the game. Cash shop doesn't sell gear, and it doesn't sell leveling. 

Yep, that was my point.  I know how forums work.  If someone spreads false information, it'll soon be seen as gospel and then every troll in the place will be tearing around leaving its stink on everything it touches.  If people would STOP spreading BS, maybe no one would feel the need to correct them...

arena net blatantly lied about cosmetic items only in the cash shop. they added a whole RMT system + exp scrolls. who knows what else they will be adding to the cash shop.

how is that BS? this is a completely valid complaing.

note: before you respond consider that i am complaining about the fact they lied not whether RMT + exp scrolls is "not that big of a deal"

Look at the game mechanics for Christ sake. Please that just do that and help yourself understand why they chose the design choice, now once you do that and stil after having your head in sand, go look at the leaked already changing cash shop stuff.

I do wish they sold IQ's as well.

Here is one view of the game mechanic changes:

1) Repair costs reintroduced for a gold sink, and hey you can buy gems in cash shop to trade for gold

2) Mystic chests are found in game and hey you can buy mystic keys from cash shop

3) Sidekicking up is no longer supported but hey you can buy EXP boosters in cash shop

4) Being a squad commander costs "a lot of gold" but hey you can buy gems in cash shop to trade for gold

5) Influence gives boosts in RvRvR but hey you can buy gems in cash shop to trade for gold to buy influence

 

Like Anet admitted, "built from the ground up with microtransactions in mind"

GW2 "built from the ground up with microtransactions in mind"
1) Cash->Gems->Gold->Influence->WvWvWBoosts = PAY2WIN
2) Mystic Chests = Crass in-game cash shop advertisements

  DanitaKusor

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Joined: 6/17/09
Posts: 549

4/07/12 10:57:15 PM#44
Originally posted by bishbosh

arena net blatantly lied about cosmetic items only in the cash shop. they added a whole RMT system + exp scrolls. who knows what else they will be adding to the cash shop.

how is that BS? this is a completely valid complaing.

note: before you respond consider that i am complaining about the fact they lied not whether RMT + exp scrolls is "not that big of a deal"

This is misinformation.

The original info on micro-transactions was

"Yes, micro-transactions will exist. These will be cosmetic additions which will not affect balance or gameplay, similar to the transactions offered by Guild Wars."

Which was changed to

"Yes, micro-transactions will exist. Be assured goods and items bought for cash in GW2 do not offer any advantage over those available in the game through the investment of time."

Never was it stated that ONLY cosmetic items would be sold in the cash shop.

The Enlightened take things Lightly

  DJJazzy

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Joined: 5/18/11
Posts: 2074

4/07/12 10:57:53 PM#45

So this thread has turned into another cash shop thread? Good grief

  Zekiah

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Posts: 2540

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4/07/12 10:59:13 PM#46

He's actually correct, it's only hurting us, the gamers. It's not just GW, it's every high-profile game that gets released. Some people just lose their minds over games and will defend ANYTHING about the game, good, bad or horrible.

I'm not sure I've seen such delusion in any other area of life either, it's borderline insanity.

"Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky

  bishbosh

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Joined: 3/21/11
Posts: 401

 
OP  4/07/12 11:00:02 PM#47
Originally posted by Eir_S

In regards to the cash shop, some complaints were simply the product of ignorance, and some of the staunchest anit-CS people around here have had to reword their arguments on finding out that everything in the CS will be available through in-game time spent.  Most of them look a bit desperate to me, and are practically two posts short of asking for the game for free.

The rest were hit or miss, mostly miss, including WvW lag (not proven to be a problem - and "it's in beta" is actually a proper response since the game is not optimized which can lead to latency issues), the outcry over the removal of sidekicking up - which wasn't even talked about until ANet said they were leaving it out.  

Let's see, arguments over the trinity or combat or how GW2 doesn't do anything new at all...  combat is "generic WoW crap",  world is separated into zones and not seamless so it sucks, the list goes on, the whining goes on, and most of the complaints are either based on false or NO information or outright subjective ranting.

If you don't like to see people respond to these things, debunking them, I'd recommend not visiting the forums.  It's a two-way street.

 

if someone feels lag during WvW they are feeling lag during WvW. you cant debunk that. this is a valid complaint. game is not optimised which can lead to latency issues? well then go and optimise your game arena net. you just agreed that there is a problem with the game and you still feel the need to defend it. cant you see how ridiculous this is?

 

in gw2 the world is seperated and not seamless- this has been proven. seamless open world > zones.  again another valid complaint.

 

the CS complaints are valid. arenanet added RMT to the game-- intially they said it would only be cosmetic items. RMT allows people to attain in game gold which is required to purchase siege weapons. there is no subjectivity in the fact that arena net blatantly lied.

  Sephros

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Joined: 8/22/11
Posts: 395

4/07/12 11:00:45 PM#48

I wont play with these fanboys either.  Makes for a sucky community

Yes I know you wont miss me.  Yes I dont care either.  Thanks

 

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  garretth

Hard Core Member

Joined: 8/08/03
Posts: 319

4/07/12 11:01:40 PM#49

Sorry to hear...I guess you will be playing the game that no one else likes.   What kind of community would you expect from that?

 

  romanator0

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Joined: 12/02/10
Posts: 2425

4/07/12 11:02:52 PM#50
Originally posted by gainesvilleg
Originally posted by RizelStar
Originally posted by bishbosh
Originally posted by Eir_S
Originally posted by gaeanprayer
Originally posted by bishbosh
Originally posted by Eir_S

If people could actually put up a good argument, no one would have to defend the game.  But I guess you don't have a problem with all the whiners and trolls.  Too bad for you, don't play the game if you're that one-sided.

im not sure why you think the game needs to be defended? i think this is the essense of the problem. its a video game, its doesnt need to defended! 

i think lots of the cash shop complaints are valid. the cash shop was initially only cosmetic now they offer levelling, gear etc and with the gem trade you can buy gold/anything.

why do you fanboys feel the need to supress these complaints? what do they gain from it. worst comes to worse, arena net will remove the gem trade, keys to chests etc etc and GUESS WHO WINS-->YOU THE CONSUMER

so what if the key/chest thing is not confirmed and it was just a leak. we should let the devs know we dont want it. if we assume it isnt confirmed they might actually implement (one thing i have learned is always expect the worst from mmorpgs) while if we complaing they wont implement it if they were going to.

That is exactly Eir's point on fans coming to defend the game. Cash shop doesn't sell gear, and it doesn't sell leveling. 

Yep, that was my point.  I know how forums work.  If someone spreads false information, it'll soon be seen as gospel and then every troll in the place will be tearing around leaving its stink on everything it touches.  If people would STOP spreading BS, maybe no one would feel the need to correct them...

arena net blatantly lied about cosmetic items only in the cash shop. they added a whole RMT system + exp scrolls. who knows what else they will be adding to the cash shop.

how is that BS? this is a completely valid complaing.

note: before you respond consider that i am complaining about the fact they lied not whether RMT + exp scrolls is "not that big of a deal"

Look at the game mechanics for Christ sake. Please that just do that and help yourself understand why they chose the design choice, now once you do that and stil after having your head in sand, go look at the leaked already changing cash shop stuff.

I do wish they sold IQ's as well.

Here is one view of the game mechanic changes:

1) Repair costs reintroduced for a gold sink, and hey you can buy gems in cash shop to trade for gold

2) Mystic chests are found in game and hey you can buy mystic keys from cash shop

3) Sidekicking up is no longer supported but hey you can buy EXP boosters in cash shop

4) Being a squad commander costs "a lot of gold" but hey you can buy gems in cash shop to trade for gold

5) Influence gives boosts in RvRvR but hey you can buy gems in cash shop to trade for gold to buy influence

 

Like Anet admitted, "built from the ground up with microtransactions in mind"

1) Repair costs are cheap and completely avoidable.

2) Mystic keys are found in game.

3) Leveling is fast as it is. Structured PvP autolevels to 80. WvW sidekicks people to 80 to make a more level playing field.

4) Squad commander is only for those who want it and imparts no benefits. Anyone who buys it but sucks or just wants to be seen as a commander is going to end up wasting money.

5) You've yet to prove purchasing gems gives any advantage in WvW.

Funny how you quote ArenaNet saying the game is built with microtransactions in mind and yet they completely optional and provide no advantages.

  GeezerGamer

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4/07/12 11:03:17 PM#51
Originally posted by DJJazzy

So this thread has turned into another cash shop thread? Good grief

I thought this was a requirement in GW2 threads

It's the sad state of the genre. The next big title has as many threads discussing issues with it's business model than issues with the game itself.

  Eir_S

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4/07/12 11:03:18 PM#52
Originally posted by DJJazzy

So this thread has turned into another cash shop thread? Good grief

It's a valid complaint.  lol

  RizelStar

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4/07/12 11:03:27 PM#53

Any one else notices how every single cash shop thread the op for each thread is baiting and switching?

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P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)

Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.

  bishbosh

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Joined: 3/21/11
Posts: 401

 
OP  4/07/12 11:05:26 PM#54
Originally posted by garretth

Sorry to hear...I guess you will be playing the game that no one else likes.   What kind of community would you expect from that?

 

im not sure if you are aware but it is possible to like a game without being a fanboy.

there are plenty of games which i like but i also have plenty of criticism eg. skills in skyrim are extremely unbalanced, UI sucks, small variety of monsters, no spell crafting

 

it called being rational. i like rational people. generally when some one has only postive things to say about something or only negatve things to say about something they are irrational and wrong. rarely are things purely crap or purely excellent in this world.

  gainesvilleg

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Joined: 2/27/11
Posts: 1087

4/07/12 11:06:07 PM#55
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by DJJazzy

So this thread has turned into another cash shop thread? Good grief

I thought this was a requirement in GW2 threads

Could it possibly be because there are many people offended by the cash shop?  I can assure you my disgust over Anet's recent change in cash shop philosophy is genuine.  I can't comment on anybody elses motives but I am honestly very offended by it.  I find the hypocrisy to be of the highest order...

GW2 "built from the ground up with microtransactions in mind"
1) Cash->Gems->Gold->Influence->WvWvWBoosts = PAY2WIN
2) Mystic Chests = Crass in-game cash shop advertisements

  Xthos

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Posts: 2650

4/07/12 11:06:59 PM#56
Originally posted by bishbosh

people staunchly defending everything about gw2 is reminding me of all those other fail mmorpgs out there. they all had the same fanboy crowd licking up any crap thrown at them and BAM the game tanks. 

i was intent on prerodering 10th april and now i dont even know if i want to buy the game. i dont want to play a game full of people that will take any crap from the devs/publisher because i know in the long run the game will suck because criticisms will be drowned out with " WOW had the same problems on release", " you havent even played to max level", "go back to WOW" etc etc. 

i dont know if im the only one that gets turned off game by fanboyism, there are probably more people out there so i think its best to take that into consideration and be a bit more welcoming and less aggresive/vile when someone criticises gw2 or questions its "greatness". i would like to see gw2 do well (more compeition=better games for us) but games wont do well if developers cannot hear the players complaints.

 If you are that fragile, it probably is best to stop playing online/multiplayer games. 

  DiSpLiFF

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Posts: 611

4/07/12 11:07:04 PM#57

GW2 "fanboyism" was annoying like 5 months ago, now I barely log onto this website's forumns just because it is all that is talked about. 

Hey i'm hyped for Archeage, but i'm not on here day and night talking about the game. I'll wait till it releases and let the game do the talking. 

  gainesvilleg

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Posts: 1087

4/07/12 11:07:29 PM#58
Originally posted by bishbosh
Originally posted by garretth

Sorry to hear...I guess you will be playing the game that no one else likes.   What kind of community would you expect from that?

 

im not sure if you are aware but it is possible to like a game without being a fanboy.

there are plenty of games which i like but i also have plenty of criticism eg. skills in skyrim are extremely unbalanced, UI sucks

OMG inventory management is atrocious.  Being a single player game the unbalanced skills don't bother me I avoid some of the overpowered crafting for instance.  But the inventory system, wow it makes me want to pull my hair out...

GW2 "built from the ground up with microtransactions in mind"
1) Cash->Gems->Gold->Influence->WvWvWBoosts = PAY2WIN
2) Mystic Chests = Crass in-game cash shop advertisements

  DJJazzy

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Joined: 5/18/11
Posts: 2074

4/07/12 11:07:57 PM#59
Originally posted by gainesvilleg
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by DJJazzy

So this thread has turned into another cash shop thread? Good grief

I thought this was a requirement in GW2 threads

Could it possibly be because there are many people offended by the cash shop?  I can assure you my disgust over Anet's recent change in cash shop philosophy is genuine.  I can't comment on anybody elses motives but I am honestly very offended by it.  I find the hypocrisy to be of the highest order...

So post in another one of the other cash shop threads, no need to make another one up. You can open up the GW2 forum, close your eyes, throw a dart on the screen and you'll hit a cash shop thread.

 

  RizelStar

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We all breathe and we all die.

4/07/12 11:08:03 PM#60
Originally posted by romanator0
Originally posted by gainesvilleg
Originally posted by RizelStar
Originally posted by bishbosh
Originally posted by Eir_S
Originally posted by gaeanprayer
Originally posted by bishbosh
Originally posted by Eir_S

If people could actually put up a good argument, no one would have to defend the game.  But I guess you don't have a problem with all the whiners and trolls.  Too bad for you, don't play the game if you're that one-sided.

im not sure why you think the game needs to be defended? i think this is the essense of the problem. its a video game, its doesnt need to defended! 

i think lots of the cash shop complaints are valid. the cash shop was initially only cosmetic now they offer levelling, gear etc and with the gem trade you can buy gold/anything.

why do you fanboys feel the need to supress these complaints? what do they gain from it. worst comes to worse, arena net will remove the gem trade, keys to chests etc etc and GUESS WHO WINS-->YOU THE CONSUMER

so what if the key/chest thing is not confirmed and it was just a leak. we should let the devs know we dont want it. if we assume it isnt confirmed they might actually implement (one thing i have learned is always expect the worst from mmorpgs) while if we complaing they wont implement it if they were going to.

That is exactly Eir's point on fans coming to defend the game. Cash shop doesn't sell gear, and it doesn't sell leveling. 

Yep, that was my point.  I know how forums work.  If someone spreads false information, it'll soon be seen as gospel and then every troll in the place will be tearing around leaving its stink on everything it touches.  If people would STOP spreading BS, maybe no one would feel the need to correct them...

arena net blatantly lied about cosmetic items only in the cash shop. they added a whole RMT system + exp scrolls. who knows what else they will be adding to the cash shop.

how is that BS? this is a completely valid complaing.

note: before you respond consider that i am complaining about the fact they lied not whether RMT + exp scrolls is "not that big of a deal"

Look at the game mechanics for Christ sake. Please that just do that and help yourself understand why they chose the design choice, now once you do that and stil after having your head in sand, go look at the leaked already changing cash shop stuff.

I do wish they sold IQ's as well.

Here is one view of the game mechanic changes:

1) Repair costs reintroduced for a gold sink, and hey you can buy gems in cash shop to trade for gold

2) Mystic chests are found in game and hey you can buy mystic keys from cash shop

3) Sidekicking up is no longer supported but hey you can buy EXP boosters in cash shop

4) Being a squad commander costs "a lot of gold" but hey you can buy gems in cash shop to trade for gold

5) Influence gives boosts in RvRvR but hey you can buy gems in cash shop to trade for gold to buy influence

 

Like Anet admitted, "built from the ground up with microtransactions in mind"

1) Repair costs are cheap and completely avoidable.

2) Mystic keys are found in game.

3) Leveling is fast as it is. Structured PvP autolevels to 80. WvW sidekicks people to 80 to make a more level playing field.

4) Squad commander is only for those who want it and imparts no benefits. Anyone who buys it but sucks or just wants to be seen as a commander is going to end up wasting money.

5) You've yet to prove purchasing gems gives any advantage in WvW.

Funny how you quote ArenaNet saying the game is built with microtransactions in mind and yet they completely optional and provide no advantages.

Thank you lol but i already told him that, so due to not listening and having the head in the sand, I just blocked him. It seems to help to an extent.

I might get banned for this. - Rizel Star.

I'm not afraid to tell trolls what they [need] to hear, even if that means for me to have an forced absence afterwards.

P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)

Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.

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