Originally posted by Zylaxx

Originally posted by gainesvilleg

Originally posted by Kreedz

I just told you it is inherently imbalanced.

 

Read my post again.

 

You have the option of playing the smaller PvP Scenarios for your dose of balanced PvP.

I've got my FPSers for a superior esport battleground.  I play MMO's for either open world PVP or close to it (like the RvRvR instance in GW2).  But I won't play a game tainted by pay2win, even if it is only a "small" advantage.

Then dont play GW2 and leave the forums.  You wont change anyones mind.  This isnt some 2-bit asian F2P game were talking about, its a AAA development company.  Plus the cash shop offers nothing that you cant get in a game like WoW.

I won't play GW2 as it stands now, don't worry.  But I'll stay in the forums if you don't mind.  And if there are enough like me it very well MIGHT change Anet's mind at least for launch.  They can stealth it back in down the road, all I am asking is a good 3 months of non-pay2win RvRvR and I'll be happy...

Originally posted by Zylaxx

Originally posted by gainesvilleg

Originally posted by Kreedz

I just told you it is inherently imbalanced.

 

Read my post again.

 

You have the option of playing the smaller PvP Scenarios for your dose of balanced PvP.

I've got my FPSers for a superior esport battleground.  I play MMO's for either open world PVP or close to it (like the RvRvR instance in GW2).  But I won't play a game tainted by pay2win, even if it is only a "small" advantage.

Then dont play GW2 and leave the forums.  You wont change anyones mind.  This isnt some 2-bit asian F2P game were talking about, its a AAA development company.  Plus the cash shop offers nothing that you cant get in a game like WoW.

Exactly dont play then, its no big deal to me if you play or not, Like i said before , let these idiots spend 10-1000 dollars for a 1% advantage ,I welcome the challenge.

I save my momey and get my X % advantage by having an organized group of good real life friends,  I am  more worried about the group of organized pro PVP'ers kicking my ass then some rich no skill player buying a little extra HP.

Originally posted by Entropy14

Originally posted by Zylaxx

Originally posted by gainesvilleg

Originally posted by Kreedz

I just told you it is inherently imbalanced.

 

Read my post again.

 

You have the option of playing the smaller PvP Scenarios for your dose of balanced PvP.

I've got my FPSers for a superior esport battleground.  I play MMO's for either open world PVP or close to it (like the RvRvR instance in GW2).  But I won't play a game tainted by pay2win, even if it is only a "small" advantage.

Then dont play GW2 and leave the forums.  You wont change anyones mind.  This isnt some 2-bit asian F2P game were talking about, its a AAA development company.  Plus the cash shop offers nothing that you cant get in a game like WoW.

Exactly dont play then, its no big deal to me if you play or not, Like i said before , let these idiots spend 10-1000 dollars for a 1% advantage ,I welcome the challenge.

 

I save my momey and get my X % advantage by having an organized group of good real life friends,  I am  more worried about the group of organized pro PVP'ers kicking my ass then some rich no skill player buying a little extra HP.

Lol this, sheesh.

Originally posted by gainesvilleg

I won't play GW2 as it stands now, don't worry.  But I'll stay in the forums if you don't mind. 

/100% Troll confirmed

/thread

Originally posted by iller

Originally posted by gainesvilleg

I won't play GW2 as it stands now, don't worry.  But I'll stay in the forums if you don't mind. 

/100% Troll confirmed

/thread

 

LOL.  So complaining about a pay2win cash shop in a game I might otherwise play is being a troll?

And thanks for ending the thread but:

<thread>

Darn its still open.  By the way I did not start the thread, nor any thread regarding GW2 cash shop but nice try.  Close your eyes and ears to the facts but unfortunately for you, it won't change the facts

Originally posted by BilboDoggins

I would like to see how anyone can logically come to the conclusion that chests which can only be unlocked by buying keys from the cash shop isnt Pay 2 win.

 

Cuz i dont think anyone can and if they do claim its not Pay 2 win I think they are being willfully ignorant and/or intellectually dishonest.

 

So lets hear it. Defend this obvious pay 2 win scam.

So do the chests contain items that are greater then anything else in the game? If they are then it would be pay 2 win. However, if they aren't then it's only pay 2 win on opening chests, not playing GW2.

Originally posted by gainesvilleg

Originally posted by iller

Originally posted by gainesvilleg

I won't play GW2 as it stands now, don't worry.  But I'll stay in the forums if you don't mind. 

/100% Troll confirmed

/thread

 

LOL.  So complaining about a pay2win cash shop in a game I might otherwise play is being a troll?

And thanks for ending the thread but:

Darn its still open.  By the way I did not start the thread, nor any thread regarding GW2 cash shop but nice try.  Close your eyes and ears to the facts but unfortunately for you, it won't change the facts

What facts? Nobody is denying any of the cash shop items that are availible according to the leaks.

What is true is that most people dont care at all about anything they have seen, or at least not enough to warrant raising a huge stink while all the information about it is part of an NDA and still subject to change.

If you have a problem with what is availible then thats fine, but don't say that we are blind just because we do not think that its Pay 2 WIn. I have yet to see anything that would even remotely resemble any real advantage at all in either WvW or Structured PvP and I could care less about people having more gold then me.

Originally posted by evilastro

Originally posted by BilboDoggins

I would like to see how anyone can logically come to the conclusion that chests which can only be unlocked by buying keys from the cash shop isnt Pay 2 win.

 

Cuz i dont think anyone can and if they do claim its not Pay 2 win I think they are being willfully ignorant and/or intellectually dishonest.

 

So lets hear it. Defend this obvious pay 2 win scam.

Because there are ways to unlock them in game without paying any money.

/thread

Someone already said that and he ignored it, saying his question wasn't answered to satisfaction.  In other words, BilboDoggins has his head in the sand.

I've posted this before but the cash shop haters conveniently ignore this information and continue trolling, so this is mainly for the benefit of those who are not familiar with how influence works and how it relates to WvW buffs.

You get influence by playing the game like you normaly would. One guild member contributes 21 influence towards the guild's total upon completion of a single event. If a guild has 10 members, they will contribute 210 influence per single event. 20 members contribute 420 and so on and so forth. Keep in mind that 21 influence per member is for doing 1 event. Now, WvW buffs cost 200 influence each. As you can see, if a guild has 20 members and each of those members completes just 1 event, then the guild can purchase 2 buffs. The basic premise is that the more active players your guild has, the more influence you get.

Buying PvP buffs in not enough, though, because in order to actually use them, a guild needs to capture a keep. Capturing and defending a keep requires a lot of people and thus, only big guilds will be able to successfuly pull it off. Keeps are also very limited in number so it's not like every guild can have a keep. No. You get a small number of keeps and then 3 servers fight over all of them. We've already established that big guilds don't really need to purchase influence since they accumulate it at a really fast pace. And since mostly big guilds are in theposition to capture and defend a keep, there is no reason to whine about gems or gold or buying influence.

The purchase of influence with gold was put in place in order for smaller guilds to unlock influence bonuses, like guild bank vaults, at a reasonable rate. But since small guilds cannot realistically capture or defend a keep, who cares if they buy influence? Will it really hurt anyone if a small 5 man guild buys enough influence to expand their guild bank?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zi6GAbVATOA&feature=plcp&context=C33e4d8cUDO

The above video shows the guild interface. If you pay close attention to the begining, you can sort of see how much influence people contribute.

Edit: I accidentally a few letters.

Originally posted by Terrorizor

Originally posted by BilboDoggins

I would like to see how anyone can logically come to the conclusion that chests which can only be unlocked by buying keys from the cash shop isnt Pay 2 win.

 

Cuz i dont think anyone can and if they do claim its not Pay 2 win I think they are being willfully ignorant and/or intellectually dishonest.

 

So lets hear it. Defend this obvious pay 2 win scam.

So do the chests contain items that are greater then anything else in the game? If they are then it would be pay 2 win. However, if they aren't then it's only pay 2 win on opening chests, not playing GW2.

THAT aspect wouldn't be pay2win (the RvRvR boosts are pay2win by contrast), but it would be extraordinarily annoying to basically put an in-game advertisement to the cash shop in the game like that.  Maybe if you open the chest inside is a cash shop coupon for a free mystic key LOL.  In fact, on top of the chest should be a bright neon sign flashin and proclaiming "Visit the cash shop TODAY!  Hurry Hurry Hurry!  Sale is ending SOON!!!!!"

Originally posted by gainesvilleg

Originally posted by iller

Originally posted by gainesvilleg

I won't play GW2 as it stands now, don't worry.  But I'll stay in the forums if you don't mind. 

/100% Troll confirmed

/thread

 

LOL.  So complaining about a pay2win cash shop in a game I might otherwise play is being a troll?

And thanks for ending the thread but:

Darn its still open.  By the way I did not start the thread, nor any thread regarding GW2 cash shop but nice try.  Close your eyes and ears to the facts but unfortunately for you, it won't change the facts

If your true intention is to get people on your side, you could try being less abrasive, because IF your true goal is to get ANet to change their way of thinking before it's too late, I'd be willing to support your views, but I was thinking maybe the best way to do what you claim to be attempting is to tell ANet themselves as well as post here.  Do you let them know your ideas on their Twitter or Facebook or GW2Guru for example?  No one here has much power or influence.

Originally posted by dontadow

Originally posted by Siveria

You should know by now that any game with a cash shop ends up being pay 2 win later on. The keys to open chests is just the first step in a process, see this happen all the time. They have to put some stuff in the cash shop that has a pay 2 win aspect to it, mostly for the pvptards that will spend 100 bucks just to do 1% more damage than someone else, if you don't believe me look at pvp based f2p with cash shop titles, the stuff that sells the most is anything that gives advantages. But to be honest your prob making a bigger deal of it than you need to, fallen earth for example has these kinds of chests, and the chests really contain nothing you can't get in the game normally, it just has it in one easy to open package, its essentally a time saver, the best one is the red titanium one in fallen earth and it has semi-hard to come by crafting mats usually, but doesn't really offer much of an advantage in the long run.

But as I have said more than once in these forums, GW2 will end up turning into a pay2win title, because thats where the money is if your going to run the game via a cash shop, its just how it is so get used to it. If they allow the cash shop items to be sold for ingame funds, then that really nullifys any advantage they have, since you can just farm gold or whatever for it.

LOTR and DDO have both satayed out of the pay to win method as defined in my earlier post.   Pay to win is usually a model for a failing game.  

B

Wrong. LOTRO is pay 2 win and they do it the exact same way ANet plans to make GW by putting items in the game which can be easily purchased through the shop and then putting them in the game too. 

They do this by making the grind to get them excessively long or ultra rare (see Lotro stat tomes). This way they can "technically" claim its not pay 2 win and it only provides convienence and not advantage.

I think people should stop worring about things that havent happened yet, to the OP i tell he to come here in a months wen he knows something about the chests, the keys and their rewards (from the released game info).

And now please, close this river of shit, everyone who comes just takes his dump and this is getting bigger and bigger and not fun anymore, nor this nor none of the other nosense posts about speculating and time travelers who come from the future to enlighten us.

LOTR is mostly a PvE game...hard to really compair it too a PvP game.

Originally posted by BilboDoggins

Originally posted by dontadow

Originally posted by Siveria

You should know by now that any game with a cash shop ends up being pay 2 win later on. The keys to open chests is just the first step in a process, see this happen all the time. They have to put some stuff in the cash shop that has a pay 2 win aspect to it, mostly for the pvptards that will spend 100 bucks just to do 1% more damage than someone else, if you don't believe me look at pvp based f2p with cash shop titles, the stuff that sells the most is anything that gives advantages. But to be honest your prob making a bigger deal of it than you need to, fallen earth for example has these kinds of chests, and the chests really contain nothing you can't get in the game normally, it just has it in one easy to open package, its essentally a time saver, the best one is the red titanium one in fallen earth and it has semi-hard to come by crafting mats usually, but doesn't really offer much of an advantage in the long run.

But as I have said more than once in these forums, GW2 will end up turning into a pay2win title, because thats where the money is if your going to run the game via a cash shop, its just how it is so get used to it. If they allow the cash shop items to be sold for ingame funds, then that really nullifys any advantage they have, since you can just farm gold or whatever for it.

LOTR and DDO have both satayed out of the pay to win method as defined in my earlier post.   Pay to win is usually a model for a failing game.  

B

Wrong. LOTRO is pay 2 win and they do it the exact same way ANet plans to make GW by putting items in the game which can be easily purchased through the shop and then putting them in the game too. 

 

They do this by making the grind to get them excessively long or ultra rare (see Lotro stat tomes). This way they can "technically" claim its not pay 2 win and it only provides convienence and not advantage.

Except none of the items in GW2 cash shop are actual statted items or anything that would increase player stats.

Again, another 20 page thread where people complain about the cash shop.  

Again, no one still can define what is winning in the ame and can define how Item A leads directly to winning.  

Originally posted by BilboDoggins

Originally posted by dontadow

Originally posted by Siveria

You should know by now that any game with a cash shop ends up being pay 2 win later on. The keys to open chests is just the first step in a process, see this happen all the time. They have to put some stuff in the cash shop that has a pay 2 win aspect to it, mostly for the pvptards that will spend 100 bucks just to do 1% more damage than someone else, if you don't believe me look at pvp based f2p with cash shop titles, the stuff that sells the most is anything that gives advantages. But to be honest your prob making a bigger deal of it than you need to, fallen earth for example has these kinds of chests, and the chests really contain nothing you can't get in the game normally, it just has it in one easy to open package, its essentally a time saver, the best one is the red titanium one in fallen earth and it has semi-hard to come by crafting mats usually, but doesn't really offer much of an advantage in the long run.

But as I have said more than once in these forums, GW2 will end up turning into a pay2win title, because thats where the money is if your going to run the game via a cash shop, its just how it is so get used to it. If they allow the cash shop items to be sold for ingame funds, then that really nullifys any advantage they have, since you can just farm gold or whatever for it.

LOTR and DDO have both satayed out of the pay to win method as defined in my earlier post.   Pay to win is usually a model for a failing game.  

B

Wrong. LOTRO is pay 2 win and they do it the exact same way ANet plans to make GW by putting items in the game which can be easily purchased through the shop and then putting them in the game too. 

 

They do this by making the grind to get them excessively long or ultra rare (see Lotro stat tomes). This way they can "technically" claim its not pay 2 win and it only provides convienence and not advantage.

Elaborate how you "win" in LOTRO a PvE focused game. I can say it's unfair because you have more hours to spend on the game than I do. So I can offset this by buying something if I want that WONT MAKE THINGS IMBALANCED. I played LOTRO for a little bit and really don't remember anything and going "wow, that's just ridiculous". You had to pay to unlock content in LOTRO. . .

If you think someone leveling faster than you or someone who is able to obtain something which you can, maybe with just a little less effort by paying is "winning" to you than that's your problem I guess. Compare GW2 to many other cash shops and you'll see how much of a fuss over nothing you are making it out to be.

Originally posted by BilboDoggins

Originally posted by dontadow

Originally posted by Siveria

You should know by now that any game with a cash shop ends up being pay 2 win later on. The keys to open chests is just the first step in a process, see this happen all the time. They have to put some stuff in the cash shop that has a pay 2 win aspect to it, mostly for the pvptards that will spend 100 bucks just to do 1% more damage than someone else, if you don't believe me look at pvp based f2p with cash shop titles, the stuff that sells the most is anything that gives advantages. But to be honest your prob making a bigger deal of it than you need to, fallen earth for example has these kinds of chests, and the chests really contain nothing you can't get in the game normally, it just has it in one easy to open package, its essentally a time saver, the best one is the red titanium one in fallen earth and it has semi-hard to come by crafting mats usually, but doesn't really offer much of an advantage in the long run.

But as I have said more than once in these forums, GW2 will end up turning into a pay2win title, because thats where the money is if your going to run the game via a cash shop, its just how it is so get used to it. If they allow the cash shop items to be sold for ingame funds, then that really nullifys any advantage they have, since you can just farm gold or whatever for it.

LOTR and DDO have both satayed out of the pay to win method as defined in my earlier post.   Pay to win is usually a model for a failing game.  

B

Wrong. LOTRO is pay 2 win and they do it the exact same way ANet plans to make GW by putting items in the game which can be easily purchased through the shop and then putting them in the game too. 

 

They do this by making the grind to get them excessively long or ultra rare (see Lotro stat tomes). This way they can "technically" claim its not pay 2 win and it only provides convienence and not advantage.

Can someone read heartless and also show the grind in GW 2 lol.

Originally posted by Eir_S

Originally posted by gainesvilleg

Originally posted by iller

Originally posted by gainesvilleg

I won't play GW2 as it stands now, don't worry.  But I'll stay in the forums if you don't mind. 

/100% Troll confirmed

/thread

 

LOL.  So complaining about a pay2win cash shop in a game I might otherwise play is being a troll?

And thanks for ending the thread but:

Darn its still open.  By the way I did not start the thread, nor any thread regarding GW2 cash shop but nice try.  Close your eyes and ears to the facts but unfortunately for you, it won't change the facts

If your true intention is to get people on your side, you could try being less abrasive, because IF your true goal is to get ANet to change their way of thinking before it's too late, I'd be willing to support your views, but I was thinking maybe the best way to do what you claim to be attempting is to tell ANet themselves as well as post here.  Do you let them know your ideas on their Twitter or Facebook or GW2Guru for example?  No one here has much power or influence.

Yes I want Anet to remove any PVP cash shop boosts, even if they are "small."  Obviously I am one person but there are more like me.  I am anti-cash shop hear me roar LOL.  And although I am sort of across the board anti-cash shop, I would be somewhat ok with it if:

1) They removed the gold->influence mechanic

2) Mystic chests, at a minimum, don't take up inventory space.  I don't want to clog my inventory with their cash shop advertisements and I'm not going to throw them away until I can open them.  And I'm NOT going to buy the mystic keys on general principle.

I am actually not too worried in general about gold buying, EXP boosters, cosmetics, character slots, etc.  I'd prefer they not have the gold buying and EXP boosters, but if they don't lead to PVP boosts I can accept them.  So to me the egregious items are the pay2win items and the in-your-face advertisement items.

Originally posted by dontadow

Again, another 20 page thread where people complain about the cash shop.  

Again, no one still can define what is winning in the ame and can define how Item A leads directly to winning.  

So, then I think we can at least all agree that "Microtransactions will unite the community" was a bit naive of Anet eh?